Senate immigration deal

Godfather.

Washington (CNN) -- A border agent every 1,000 feet, every hour of every day, supported by 700 miles of fencing along the Mexican frontier.

No green cards for the 11 million immigrants living illegally in America until those steps and others to enhance border controls are taken. And none of it increases the federal deficit or debt.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t2





(CNN) -- Authorities found four human bodies abandoned in the Arizona desert Thursday.

Initial indications point to exposure as the probable cause of death, said Victor Brabble, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

"It is probable that they are immigrants attempting to cross into the U.S.," he said. "However, we don't have enough to draw a conclusion on it now."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/us/arizon ... ?hpt=hp_t2


Godfather.

Guitar92player

Can't we just build taller walls to keep them out? And then have like a electric fences in the water to keep them away as well (forcing them to swim farther out, better chance of failure)?

I feel bad for our agents in the hot weather. They are doing a good job (sort of) but man it must suck out there. haha

I have both conservative views and liberal views and this topic is probably my most conservative. Gosh I hate illegal immigration. If you can't come here legally, then get the fuck out.

I don't understand how so many illegal ones get jobs here. Why can't all businesses require full documentation?

See, I sympathize for those who come here because of how horrible their past home was, but I just don't get why they don't do this legally.

Kat

It's my understanding that the people in charge looked the other way as long as it benefitted business owners and made it possible for them to have cheap labor costs. Maybe they were lobbied to do that? Someone will correct me if that's wrong.

If you look at the planet from the moon, there are no lines...it's just the earth.

mickeyrat

can we have a reasonably accurate # of the undocumented that come across or are from Mexico.

Then I'd like to know how many came on some sort of Visa "legally" then overstayed thier welcome.


THEN I'd like to know just how much the businesses in this country have not paid in taxes for these undocumented who work the asses off to stay here. And WHY they are not being sought after and prosecuted for not paying taxes on their workers.

unsung

Kat wrote:

It's my understanding that the people in charge looked the other way as long as it benefitted business owners and made it possible for them to have cheap labor costs. Maybe they were lobbied to do that? Someone will correct me if that's wrong.

If you look at the planet from the moon, there are no lines...it's just the earth.

We'd have to get rid of the welfare state before we could have open borders.


Btw this border surge doesn't start until 2021, so basically it'll never happen.

Godfather.

Kat wrote:

It's my understanding that the people in charge looked the other way as long as it benefitted business owners and made it possible for them to have cheap labor costs. Maybe they were lobbied to do that? Someone will correct me if that's wrong.

If you look at the planet from the moon, there are no lines...it's just the earth.

we are not on the moon we are here on earth and we pay taxes we paid for and fought wars for those lines, if you have never been to mexico and seen the beautiful coast line 100's of miles of beach front property you can't own unless you are a mexican citizen or try collecting medical or or any other form of goverment funded programs or see what happens when you are involved in a car crash with no money on you..I think you might be happy to get back across the line, the whole world is divided up by lines why would the US just erase it's lines ? it wont happen here or anywhere else in the world.

Godfather.

unsung

It's already happening here.

aerial

Godfather. wrote:

Kat wrote:

It's my understanding that the people in charge looked the other way as long as it benefitted business owners and made it possible for them to have cheap labor costs. Maybe they were lobbied to do that? Someone will correct me if that's wrong.

If you look at the planet from the moon, there are no lines...it's just the earth.

we are not on the moon we are here on earth and we pay taxes we paid for and fought wars for those lines, if you have never been to mexico and seen the beautiful coast line 100's of miles of beach front property you can't own unless you are a mexican citizen or try collecting medical or or any other form of goverment funded programs or see what happens when you are involved in a car crash with no money on you..I think you might be happy to get back across the line, the whole world is divided up by lines why would the US just erase it's lines ? it wont happen here or anywhere else in the world.

Godfather.

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caifan82

Godfather. wrote:

we are not on the moon we are here on earth and we pay taxes we paid for and fought wars for those lines, if you have never been to mexico and seen the beautiful coast line 100's of miles of beach front property you can't own unless you are a mexican citizen or try collecting medical or or any other form of goverment funded programs or see what happens when you are involved in a car crash with no money on you..I think you might be happy to get back across the line, the whole world is divided up by lines why would the US just erase it's lines ? it wont happen here or anywhere else in the world.

Godfather.

Why the hell would anyone want to buy a beach front property in Mexico?! They would be literally surrounded by millions of Mexicans! They would have to drink the water and eat the food!... Their neighbors would, more than likely, be brown-skinned drug lords, or kidnappers... They would be hearing Spanish all day long (if you thought pressing 1 for English was bad!).

Either way, that changed recently... Foreigners can now buy beach front properties (as if they didn't already do that). So if anyone wants to "submit themselves" to what I just wrote, now you can do it legally!

Godfather.

caifan82 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

we are not on the moon we are here on earth and we pay taxes we paid for and fought wars for those lines, if you have never been to mexico and seen the beautiful coast line 100's of miles of beach front property you can't own unless you are a mexican citizen or try collecting medical or or any other form of goverment funded programs or see what happens when you are involved in a car crash with no money on you..I think you might be happy to get back across the line, the whole world is divided up by lines why would the US just erase it's lines ? it wont happen here or anywhere else in the world.

Godfather.

Why the hell would anyone want to buy a beach front property in Mexico?! They would be literally surrounded by millions of Mexicans! They would have to drink the water and eat the food!... Their neighbors would, more than likely, be brown-skinned drug lords, or kidnappers... They would be hearing Spanish all day long (if you thought pressing 1 for English was bad!).

Either way, that changed recently... Foreigners can now buy beach front properties (as if they didn't already do that). So if anyone wants to "submit themselves" to what I just wrote, now you can do it legally!

good point but please tell me more about being able to buy property in mexico.
they sey you can buy a 99 year lease in mexico but the people in los gaviotious just past rosarita back in 97-98 found out that the mexican government can change it's mind at any time and boot your butt out...and if what you say is true then mexico is aboit to change in a big way but really I doubt what your saying is true.

Godfather.

caifan82

Well, google is your friend...

I coud show you a bunch of links in spanish, from the last couple of months, but something tells me you would dismiss them... either way, I don't really care if you believe me or not. I just thought it was interesting that you were complaining about not being able to buy properties in this god-forsaken land... that's all.

Anyway... carry on... I'm out.

brianlux

While discussing this issue I'm always reminded of certain historical facts, including the fact that we stole it all from the First Nations Indians and Mexicans in the first place. Yes, as they, say, "That's history". But it's also true.

Godfather.

caifan82 wrote:

Well, google is your friend...

I coud show you a bunch of links in spanish, from the last couple of months, but something tells me you would dismiss them... either way, I don't really care if you believe me or not. I just thought it was interesting that you were complaining about not being able to buy properties in this god-forsaken land... that's all.

Anyway... carry on... I'm out.

well not really complaining just showing the differances in government, and if what you are saying is true then I'm sure developers will be lining up to buy property along the coastal areas.

Godfather.

know1

Kat wrote:

If you look at the planet from the moon, there are no lines...it's just the earth.

I totally agree with this and am against fences and guards.

I think if someone wants to come live and work in this country, it should be as easy to do so as rationally possible.

If the people that are currently here decide they don't like it, then it should be just as free and easy for them to go somewhere else.

We're all human, we're all mixed race and we should NOT be defined and isolated by the patch of earth we happen to occupy.

Abe Froman

know1 wrote:

Kat wrote:

If you look at the planet from the moon, there are no lines...it's just the earth.

I totally agree with this and am against fences and guards.

I think if someone wants to come live and work in this country, it should be as easy to do so as rationally possible.

If the people that are currently here decide they don't like it, then it should be just as free and easy for them to go somewhere else.

We're all human, we're all mixed race and we should NOT be defined and isolated by the patch of earth we happen to occupy.

Stop it. You guys are making too much sense!

brianlux

know1 wrote:

Kat wrote:

If you look at the planet from the moon, there are no lines...it's just the earth.

I totally agree with this and am against fences and guards.

I think if someone wants to come live and work in this country, it should be as easy to do so as rationally possible.

If the people that are currently here decide they don't like it, then it should be just as free and easy for them to go somewhere else.

We're all human, we're all mixed race and we should NOT be defined and isolated by the patch of earth we happen to occupy.

I agree as well. Political boundaries have no basis in reality. The only true boundaries are geographic and bio-regional.

Of course if we have to have borders we could always do what Bill Maher suggests- instead of the proposed 700 mile fence, build a 700 mile Walmart on the border- employees enter from the back, shoppers from the front.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

Washington (CNN) -- A border agent every 1,000 feet, every hour of every day, supported by 700 miles of fencing along the Mexican frontier.

No green cards for the 11 million immigrants living illegally in America until those steps and others to enhance border controls are taken. And none of it increases the federal deficit or debt.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t2





(CNN) -- Authorities found four human bodies abandoned in the Arizona desert Thursday.

Initial indications point to exposure as the probable cause of death, said Victor Brabble, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

"It is probable that they are immigrants attempting to cross into the U.S.," he said. "However, we don't have enough to draw a conclusion on it now."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/us/arizon ... ?hpt=hp_t2


Godfather.

Interesting, a country founded on immigration has decided, no more. Immigration, the last safe house for racists. People that are not necessarily against immigration per se, just the easy identifiable ones, you know, ones of colour.

"Hey Mexican, get out of your country!!"

Godfather.

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Washington (CNN) -- A border agent every 1,000 feet, every hour of every day, supported by 700 miles of fencing along the Mexican frontier.

No green cards for the 11 million immigrants living illegally in America until those steps and others to enhance border controls are taken. And none of it increases the federal deficit or debt.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t2





(CNN) -- Authorities found four human bodies abandoned in the Arizona desert Thursday.

Initial indications point to exposure as the probable cause of death, said Victor Brabble, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

"It is probable that they are immigrants attempting to cross into the U.S.," he said. "However, we don't have enough to draw a conclusion on it now."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/us/arizon ... ?hpt=hp_t2


Godfather.

Interesting, a country founded on immigration has decided, no more. Immigration, the last safe house for racists. People that are not necessarily against immigration per se, just the easy identifiable ones, you know, ones of colour.

"Hey Mexican, get out of your country!!"

really ?????? :fp:


Godfather.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Washington (CNN) -- A border agent every 1,000 feet, every hour of every day, supported by 700 miles of fencing along the Mexican frontier.

No green cards for the 11 million immigrants living illegally in America until those steps and others to enhance border controls are taken. And none of it increases the federal deficit or debt.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t2





(CNN) -- Authorities found four human bodies abandoned in the Arizona desert Thursday.

Initial indications point to exposure as the probable cause of death, said Victor Brabble, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

"It is probable that they are immigrants attempting to cross into the U.S.," he said. "However, we don't have enough to draw a conclusion on it now."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/us/arizon ... ?hpt=hp_t2


Godfather.

Interesting, a country founded on immigration has decided, no more. Immigration, the last safe house for racists. People that are not necessarily against immigration per se, just the easy identifiable ones, you know, ones of colour.

"Hey Mexican, get out of your country!!"

really ?????? :fp:

Yup, going on past posts by some of you. Plus it must be said you do have form for that sort of thing.

I'm not at all suggesting that all those against immigration are racists, that would be utterly ridiculous, like thinking all Muslims are terrorists, or those of other skin colour are on welfare or here illegally. I am making the comments on the back you what you and others have posted.

So yeah, really.

brianlux

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Washington (CNN) -- A border agent every 1,000 feet, every hour of every day, supported by 700 miles of fencing along the Mexican frontier.

No green cards for the 11 million immigrants living illegally in America until those steps and others to enhance border controls are taken. And none of it increases the federal deficit or debt.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t2





(CNN) -- Authorities found four human bodies abandoned in the Arizona desert Thursday.

Initial indications point to exposure as the probable cause of death, said Victor Brabble, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

"It is probable that they are immigrants attempting to cross into the U.S.," he said. "However, we don't have enough to draw a conclusion on it now."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/us/arizon ... ?hpt=hp_t2


Godfather.

Interesting, a country founded on immigration has decided, no more. Immigration, the last safe house for racists. People that are not necessarily against immigration per se, just the easy identifiable ones, you know, ones of colour.

"Hey Mexican, get out of your country!!"

Not just founded on immigration, Moonpig, but stolen from American Indians and Mexicans as well. I'm not saying this to incite anyone here but rather to point out a fact I believe worth at least acknowledging.

Godfather.

well then all that feel that guilty...here's what ya do...go out and find a local Mexican or Native American and say this.."I'm so very sorry you sold or traded your land away for beeds and pelts or money or lost it in a military defeat so here is the deed to my family home/land and I and my family will move to Alaska because my country bought it from Russia fare and square and I'll feel better about myself if you take it."

any takers ? I hear bear and seal meat is great this time of year


Godfather.