AMT Hero or traitor ?
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Either we use these tools that can help to identify possible risks to our security, including the deaths of people... or we forfeit our liberties that protect us from our own government.
You have to decide which is more important to you, your family and your fellow citizens.
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Personally, I'm glad he at least made us aware that this is going on. As to stopping our government from carrying on these operations... it may be a necessary means to prevent tragedies. I don't like it... but, i understand why it is being done.
Hail, Hail!!!
if that is the case - why does it have to be secret? ... why not with oversight?
yes ! agreed 100%
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That is what I am hoping will happen. This practice has been revealed, so now... we are aware of it.
On the flip side... so does the asshole that wants to unleash Anthrax at the food court at a mall and came devise counter measures to avoid exposure.
Hail, Hail!!!
i find it funny that if you take all the deaths tied to domestic and/or foreign terroism in the US ... heck even abroad ... it wouldn't even come close to the deaths related to cancer or heart disease ... something the US could actually do something about if it really wanted to ...
Yes... but, I understand that acts of terrorism and cancer do not equate to each other. and yes, I understand that death by terrorism is rare... extremely rare. But, it it can be prevented... i think it is a god thing.
I am also glad that we now know that our government is doing this to us... I don't like the fact that they are doing this to us, but I am certainly glad it has been uncovered. I understand that that still need a bench warrant issued to wiretap my landline phone... and now know that my cell phone is open to data gathering procedures.
Personally... i'm not one of those people who lives on his phone. i pretty much use it as a phone... that's it.
Hail, Hail!!!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Certainly, a criminal.
By coming out and declaring his guilt, he probably saved his own life. The NSA would have found him and killed him and his death would have just been logged as just another traffic fatality or the victim of random street crime.
Now, if he turns up dead... we will all suspect the NSA behind the murder.
Hail, Hail!!!
Wow, Cosmo, I had not thought of that. You are probably 100% correct.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
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Yeah... you kind of don't want to fuck with those guys. They can murder you and get off scott free by tossing you in to the 'Terrorist' category, to the cheers of millions of your fellow citizens.
Hail, Hail!!!
So by exposing those people on how is he not a hero?
Based on his credentials this guy probably has a similar degree as myself, because his resume reads almost exactly what the CIA was recruiting for back when I graduated in 2000. They looked for individuals studying to obtain degrees in Electronics Engineering especially. They actually came (yes, real agents from Langley) and interviewed the top 10% in the class, each year. They gave you a written test which was very specific and fairly challenging, but I still did well on it. Then they talked vaguely about what you would be doing and what you would be in charge of. They talked about how great it was, and that you would be living in areas where your salary would buy you a beautiful multi-story house with some land, and you would be able to have a full-time maid, nanny, and people would maintain your property for you...I guess like servants? I mean really out there stuff. If you wanted to accept their offer then the monumental application process begins and they do a stringent background check on you. I had friends of mine say it was like "This Is Your Life" because they had talked to people they hadn't seen or communicated with in 10+ years.
During the interview it doesn't take long to figure out that the telecommunications officers and system administrators are essentially "disposable employees". This is why I believe Snowden knew he would save his life by coming forward publicly. What I mean is, something can happen to you...an "accident" for example, and you'll never be tied to any agency. So while you're working for the CIA or NSA, your paycheck actually shows that you work for...say...Microsoft...or GE...or maybe some defense contractor, something like that. This is the first thing that raised a red flag for me, and the instant they mentioned it I knew there was no way in hell I was working for them. They say they do it to protect you, and I can see that argument as well. If you have a couple of brain cells when they are talking to you and get past the hype and the cool factor, it actually starts to set off quite a few alarms.
For my position they actually tell you that you will be funneling all of the information the agency receives for a specific region. This means you and a co-worker or two have access to EVERYTHING. You know who is being monitored, what is being said, what is on the horizon, etc. They tell you that you actually will know more about what is going on than the agents themselves. Each agent on the ground will have access only to his intel. He submits his intel. Another agent does the same thing. So each agent has a piece of the puzzle. You then receive that information and then forward it to Langley. So you get information from each and every agent for that region. It is crazy how much you would be exposed to. I had a wife and kids, so there was no way I was doing this. I sat in for the interview because I thought it was fascinating, and really just to see if I would even get an offer. I did, but I had to respectfully decline.
After 9/11 we were told that the Patriot Act needed to be put in place in order to stop it from happening again, and people bought it. I don't buy it, because what we had in place prior to 9/11 was sufficient to stop it from happening.
Maybe I'm not grasping the enormity of the leak, but on a smaller scale, isn't it the equivalent of letting people know that there's a cop ahead popping drivers with his radar gun? We knew what was in the Patriot Act, now this guy is letting us know some of the specifics.
Very interesting.....From what I read he has a GED...started as security in the building and worked his way up........I do agree with you 100% Hero!
Even Fox News is trying to make him out as a disgruntle employee........when people get screwed they always come out with truth to screw over the other ( person, boss, organization) ..... this also happens when people have a conscious.... long as it is truth who give a sh@# if they are disgruntled?
Truth is treason in the empire of lies.
he is letting us know about the over reach this administration is famous for........
That's why what he did isn't heroic, its stupidity. Yaaaaay, he pretty much confirmed what we already knew about the government. Lets just hope he doesn't spill the beans to China on the military info.
I think it's more along the lines of a cop sitting in your neighborhood with a scanner listening to your phone calls and a laptop that can access your email if he chooses to do so.
in the Verizon records case they weren't listening to phone calls.
and heroes don't run away and hide.
Why not head to Ecuador? They have already shown they would grant amnesty in a similar case. If you are making $200K / yr, why not penny pinch for the last 5 years and then go to Ecuador?
What nonsense, wan't to bet Bradley Manning wishes he ran away and hide.
could it be he is one someone's else payroll? if so I wonder if the people calling this guy a hero would change their minds.
I can see how to some he is a hero but in the eyes of the law he is a traitor.
Besides how can you take seriously someone who says something like this...
What's next? Blaming the New World Order? ZOG? Obama is a Muslim Socialist from Kenya?
UGH :fp:
there's more this story than we know....but I'm sure the media sorces on the pay roll will have a grand story to tell soon enough, the obama admin will cover their asses with one lie after another to wiggle out of this..
but that aside,where I come from we call guy's like him "rats"
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