So having this guy as mayor is preferable to splitting the vote?
If this was happening with Vancouver's mayor I'm pretty sure the uproar and protests would be so intense he'd be forced to resign.... probably would have happened a long time ago. I don't really understand what's going on in Toronto, but even if everyone is disgusted, the overlying apathy about this guy is stunning. If Torontarians think this is how things would have gone in any other city, they're mistaken.
i'm not sure what you're getting at ...
but it's like this here ... this guy doesn't actually do anything (now, we know what he does) ... council has been running the city since he began his term ... he's lost almost all of his battles except the subway extension ... so, our options are to spend a bunch of money the city doesn't have only to oust a guy who isn't doing anything and to have someone come in with an interim title ... we have like 1 year to go until the election ... let's just get there ...
if this guy was actually fucking up the city - it would be one thing but all he is doing is embarrassing us which i can live with ... everyone hates us anyways ... haha ... but why waste precious dollars trying to remove this guy who ultimately is benign in city affairs ...
So having this guy as mayor is preferable to splitting the vote?
If this was happening with Vancouver's mayor I'm pretty sure the uproar and protests would be so intense he'd be forced to resign.... probably would have happened a long time ago. I don't really understand what's going on in Toronto, but even if everyone is disgusted, the overlying apathy about this guy is stunning. If Torontarians think this is how things would have gone in any other city, they're mistaken.
i'm not sure what you're getting at ...
but it's like this here ... this guy doesn't actually do anything (now, we know what he does) ... council has been running the city since he began his term ... he's lost almost all of his battles except the subway extension ... so, our options are to spend a bunch of money the city doesn't have only to oust a guy who isn't doing anything and to have someone come in with an interim title ... we have like 1 year to go until the election ... let's just get there ...
if this guy was actually fucking up the city - it would be one thing but all he is doing is embarrassing us which i can live with ... everyone hates us anyways ... haha ... but why waste precious dollars trying to remove this guy who ultimately is benign in city affairs ...
I'm not sure what you think I'm getting at, lol. I'm not subtly hiding any messages here. And FYI, I think people from Toronto think everyone else in Canada hates them or something, but actually nobody does at all... no one cares one way or the other in that context. I think that whole idea is solely generated by TO'ers themselves.
If what you're saying is true, that is disturbing to me. Being so indifferent to having a completely corrupt, criminal, lying mayor just because he barely does anything generally means that ko one cares about the potential damage he could do, the potential damage he could possibly be doing behind the scenes, and the almost inevitable damage he's doing to the future of politics in Ontario, not to mention the kind of message this sends to other less savoury politicians as well as the population in general. If what you're saying is how everyone really feels, I think the general apathy is even worse than I thought..... Wow, is there some kind of Toronto vacuum happening here, preventing everyone from having a clear perspective on the matter??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm not sure what you think I'm getting at, lol. I'm not subtly hiding any messages here. And FYI, I think people from Toronto think everyone else in Canada hates them or something, but actually nobody does at all... no one cares one way or the other in that context. I think that whole idea is solely generated by TO'ers themselves.
If what you're saying is true, that is disturbing to me. Being so indifferent to having a completely corrupt, criminal, lying mayor just because he barely does anything generally means that ko one cares about the potential damage he could do, the potential damage he could possibly be doing behind the scenes, and the almost inevitable damage he's doing to the future of politics in Ontario, not to mention the kind of message this sends to other less savoury politicians as well as the population in general. If what you're saying is how everyone really feels, I think the general apathy is even worse than I thought..... Wow, is there some kind of Toronto vacuum happening here, preventing everyone from having a clear perspective on the matter??
well ... first of all ... you have to be a torontonian to know what it's like ... my friend actually got booed at a wedding in Winnipeg ... and as someone who has been almost everywhere in canada ...
as to the second part ... not sure what to say ... the guy is a lying, lazy, right wing crack and alcohol addict ... but he has no power or at least very little ... everything has to go thru council and he loses every thing he wants ... and politics in ontario has its own problems without him ... he's not going to make it any worse here ...
there is a lot of apathy here ... i won't argue that ... all i'm really saying is that to remove this guy from office would be a net loss for torontonians because of the cost ... millions of dollars on legal fees and a shut down city council ... that's no good for anyone ... as someone who is politically active and who lives here ... i'm not sure how you can pass judgement on my clarity but go ahead ...
TORONTO IS CANADA’S LEAST LIKED CITY
Ontario’s capital not only had the lowest rate of positive responses, it also had the highest rate of “very negative” responses. “Many Canadians have a hate-on for Toronto,” said Myer Siemiatycki, a Ryerson University politics professor. “Toronto is regarded as totally self-indulgent, so there’s a sort of ‘Who do they think they are believing they’re the centre of the country and the universe?’” Jim Milway, executive director of the Martin Prosperity Institute at the Rotman School of Management, said the poorer perception of Toronto — 19% of respondents gave negative responses — is due to animosity more than anything else. “It’s not necessarily that people like their city more than Toronto,” he said. “It’s that people just don’t like Toronto, period.” Prof. McGrane, of the University of Saskatchewan, said the “grudge” is rooted in historic grievances, particularly harboured by westerners who have long felt “left out.” “It’s not that we hate (Torontonians), but we’re a bit suspicious about them and their motives,” he said.
Yeah, I am fully aware of this perception... but I don't agree with this conclusion. I think that everyone is totally aware of this idea, and it's not that people feel any animosity. I think it's more that everyone sees the perception that everyone hates Toronto as a big joke, and they run with it as a joke because they know that TO gets off on thinking be very one hates them . But in the end, no one actually gives a shit. not even a little one. That's what's going on out west anyway... maybe the prairies are more insecure and feel more actual animosity?? Huh... never thought about it so much before - more complicated than most people would bother imagining, because no one cares.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Yeah, I am fully aware of this perception... but I don't agree with this conclusion. I think that everyone is totally aware of this idea, and it's not that people feel any animosity. I think it's more that everyone sees the perception that everyone hates Toronto as a big joke, and they run with it as a joke because they know that TO gets off on thinking be very one hates them . But in the end, no one actually gives a shit. not even a little one. That's what's going on out west anyway... maybe the prairies are more insecure and feel more actual animosity?? Huh... never thought about it so much before - more complicated than most people would bother imagining, because no one cares.
You sound like you know everything....but I would expect nothing less from a Vancouverite.
Don't mind me, just feeling insecure over here in the prairies.
Yeah, I am fully aware of this perception... but I don't agree with this conclusion. I think that everyone is totally aware of this idea, and it's not that people feel any animosity. I think it's more that everyone sees the perception that everyone hates Toronto as a big joke, and they run with it as a joke because they know that TO gets off on thinking be very one hates them . But in the end, no one actually gives a shit. not even a little one. That's what's going on out west anyway... maybe the prairies are more insecure and feel more actual animosity?? Huh... never thought about it so much before - more complicated than most people would bother imagining, because no one cares.
You sound like you know everything....but I would expect nothing less from a Vancouverite.
Don't mind me, just feeling insecure over here in the prairies.
The prairies comment was an honest question, not a statement. Middle canada being insecure is not something i've ever perceived, so juat asked that question because that article appeared to come out of winnipeg or something. I also pretty clearly wrote "I think" in there, which would indicate that this is all just what my own perceptions are, so I am not sure what the know-it-all jab is about.... just seems kind of a mean thing to say to me.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I like Rob Ford, not because of his politics, or anything he's done politically ... because I could give a shit about Toronto politics .... he just keeps the rest of us amused .
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Yeah, I am fully aware of this perception... but I don't agree with this conclusion. I think that everyone is totally aware of this idea, and it's not that people feel any animosity. I think it's more that everyone sees the perception that everyone hates Toronto as a big joke, and they run with it as a joke because they know that TO gets off on thinking be very one hates them . But in the end, no one actually gives a shit. not even a little one. That's what's going on out west anyway... maybe the prairies are more insecure and feel more actual animosity?? Huh... never thought about it so much before - more complicated than most people would bother imagining, because no one cares.
You sound like you know everything....but I would expect nothing less from a Vancouverite.
Don't mind me, just feeling insecure over here in the prairies.
The prairies comment was an honest question, not a statement. Middle canada being insecure is not something i've ever perceived, so juat asked that question because that article appeared to come out of winnipeg or something. I also pretty clearly wrote "I think" in there, which would indicate that this is all just what my own perceptions are, so I am not sure what the know-it-all jab is about.... just seems kind of a mean thing to say to me.
i guess since the urban areas gave Ontario the liberals ... you get Rob Ford in return
majority of the downtown core in toronto voted ndp in the last provincial election unlike ... cough ... windsor ...
actually my mp and mpp are both ndp ... and i live outside windsor. Not that I have any use for the ndp or conservatives. Just curious ... how many billion dollar boondoggles has the mayor of toronto been involved in?
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
actually my mp and mpp are both ndp ... and i live outside windsor. Not that I have any use for the ndp or conservatives. Just curious ... how many billion dollar boondoggles has the mayor of toronto been involved in?
:fp:
dude ... don't you get tired of beating the same dead horse over and over and over and over again!? ...
my riding is ndp both federally and provincially too ... what do you want? ...
i haven't voted liberal ever in an election ... not sure why everything has to always be about them ...
actually my mp and mpp are both ndp ... and i live outside windsor. Not that I have any use for the ndp or conservatives. Just curious ... how many billion dollar boondoggles has the mayor of toronto been involved in?
:fp:
dude ... don't you get tired of beating the same dead horse over and over and over and over again!? ...
my riding is ndp both federally and provincially too ... what do you want? ...
i haven't voted liberal ever in an election ... not sure why everything has to always be about them ...
No actually I don't ever get tired it, especially since they raised taxes and wasted billions. Because if you ever want the socialist society you advocate for then governments need to quit wasting billions. Like I said before Ford keeps us entertained ... So yes i will hope he gets reelected
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
It is a little surprising to me as well. Anyone know if this precludes him being charged? I know that Blair had said no charges could be filed from the video, just wondering if Ford knows that more evidence (sic) will emerge and he's trying to get in front? Regardless, it's an amusing shit-show.
And there you have it ladies and gents......What the public knew all along.
First you have to admit your problems then you can seek help.
Yeah, but it's hard to not smoke crack when your friends are all shifty characters working some kind of shady business out of a dry cleaning place. He'd have to drop all his best friends to have a real chance.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Not too surprised that he's still acting all indignant.... They didn't ask the right questions??
"Did you smoke crack cocaine?"
"No."
Okay buddy. :roll:
It is all so unbelievable. Maybe now some of his core support will start to evaporate....if that happens I can't see how he can continue on.
I'm embarrassed as a Canadian, I can only imagine how a Torontonian must feel.
I live 15 minutes from Detroit ... this guy has nothing on what taken place in that city with their former mayor. Why would you be embarrassed? He should be embarrassed ... but I doubt he is. I know I'm not embarrassed! He doesn't represent me or my community or even my region, he doesn't represent Ontario and most certainly doesn't represent Canada ... but what this case shows is that we need "right to recall legislation". My guess is that he admitted well before the 2015 election that it might not even be an issue ... heck if he just sought out drug and alcohol rehab it'd be damn near impossible for anyone to even mention it after (the old I was addicted and now I'm a recovering addict story).
I would not be embarrassed ...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
And there you have it ladies and gents......What the public knew all along.
First you have to admit your problems then you can seek help.
Yeah, but it's hard to not smoke crack when your friends are all shifty characters working some kind of shady business out of a dry cleaning place. He'd have to drop all his best friends to have a real chance.
I would say most people who indulge in illegal drugs know, deal with or hang around questionable characters and to be honest I consider politicians to be of questionable character .
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Not too surprised that he's still acting all indignant.... They didn't ask the right questions??
"Did you smoke crack cocaine?"
"No."
Okay buddy. :roll:
It is all so unbelievable. Maybe now some of his core support will start to evaporate....if that happens I can't see how he can continue on.
I'm embarrassed as a Canadian, I can only imagine how a Torontonian must feel.
I live 15 minutes from Detroit ... this guy has nothing on what taken place in that city with their former mayor. Why would you be embarrassed? He should be embarrassed ... but I doubt he is. I know I'm not embarrassed! He doesn't represent me or my community or even my region, he doesn't represent Ontario and most certainly doesn't represent Canada ... but what this case shows is that we need "right to recall legislation". My guess is that he admitted well before the 2015 election that it might not even be an issue ... heck if he just sought out drug and alcohol rehab it'd be damn near impossible for anyone to even mention it after (the old I was addicted and now I'm a recovering addict story).
I surely would be embarrassed ...
Yeah, the first thing that came to mind was good ol' Blagojevich from Chicago. What's he up to now... Jail? :corn:
People need to have much higher standards when it comes to who they elect into government. In the end, it's the fault of the naive fools who vote for people like this. I mean seriously... people didn't fucking see this kind of shit as a possibility when Ford ran for office?? I thought it was pretty obvious that he's a narcissistic pig. What the fuck was his competition like?? Not disgusting enough or what??
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And there you have it ladies and gents......What the public knew all along.
First you have to admit your problems then you can seek help.
Yeah, but it's hard to not smoke crack when your friends are all shifty characters working some kind of shady business out of a dry cleaning place. He'd have to drop all his best friends to have a real chance.
I would say most people who indulge in illegal drugs know, deal with or hang around questionable characters and to be honest I consider politicians to be of questionable character .
You're right, the most questionable of all, really! But still.... wtf. The mayor of TO hangs out with gang bangers? Really? Pretty weird.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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i'm not sure what you're getting at ...
but it's like this here ... this guy doesn't actually do anything (now, we know what he does) ... council has been running the city since he began his term ... he's lost almost all of his battles except the subway extension ... so, our options are to spend a bunch of money the city doesn't have only to oust a guy who isn't doing anything and to have someone come in with an interim title ... we have like 1 year to go until the election ... let's just get there ...
if this guy was actually fucking up the city - it would be one thing but all he is doing is embarrassing us which i can live with ... everyone hates us anyways ... haha ... but why waste precious dollars trying to remove this guy who ultimately is benign in city affairs ...
If what you're saying is true, that is disturbing to me. Being so indifferent to having a completely corrupt, criminal, lying mayor just because he barely does anything generally means that ko one cares about the potential damage he could do, the potential damage he could possibly be doing behind the scenes, and the almost inevitable damage he's doing to the future of politics in Ontario, not to mention the kind of message this sends to other less savoury politicians as well as the population in general. If what you're saying is how everyone really feels, I think the general apathy is even worse than I thought..... Wow, is there some kind of Toronto vacuum happening here, preventing everyone from having a clear perspective on the matter??
well ... first of all ... you have to be a torontonian to know what it's like ... my friend actually got booed at a wedding in Winnipeg ... and as someone who has been almost everywhere in canada ...
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/09 ... ir-cities/
as to the second part ... not sure what to say ... the guy is a lying, lazy, right wing crack and alcohol addict ... but he has no power or at least very little ... everything has to go thru council and he loses every thing he wants ... and politics in ontario has its own problems without him ... he's not going to make it any worse here ...
there is a lot of apathy here ... i won't argue that ... all i'm really saying is that to remove this guy from office would be a net loss for torontonians because of the cost ... millions of dollars on legal fees and a shut down city council ... that's no good for anyone ... as someone who is politically active and who lives here ... i'm not sure how you can pass judgement on my clarity but go ahead ...
TORONTO IS CANADA’S LEAST LIKED CITY
Ontario’s capital not only had the lowest rate of positive responses, it also had the highest rate of “very negative” responses. “Many Canadians have a hate-on for Toronto,” said Myer Siemiatycki, a Ryerson University politics professor. “Toronto is regarded as totally self-indulgent, so there’s a sort of ‘Who do they think they are believing they’re the centre of the country and the universe?’” Jim Milway, executive director of the Martin Prosperity Institute at the Rotman School of Management, said the poorer perception of Toronto — 19% of respondents gave negative responses — is due to animosity more than anything else. “It’s not necessarily that people like their city more than Toronto,” he said. “It’s that people just don’t like Toronto, period.” Prof. McGrane, of the University of Saskatchewan, said the “grudge” is rooted in historic grievances, particularly harboured by westerners who have long felt “left out.” “It’s not that we hate (Torontonians), but we’re a bit suspicious about them and their motives,” he said.
You sound like you know everything....but I would expect nothing less from a Vancouverite.
Don't mind me, just feeling insecure over here in the prairies.
Around these parts Toronto is more commonly know as "the centre of the Universe"
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Just having a little fun
Rob Ford approval goes up 5% despite video scandal
Toronto mayor at 44% approval after police revelations, Forum Research poll says
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/r ... -1.2335743
Faith in humanity almost destroyed
that's suburbia for ya ... :fp:
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
majority of the downtown core in toronto voted ndp in the last provincial election unlike ... cough ... windsor ...
actually my mp and mpp are both ndp ... and i live outside windsor. Not that I have any use for the ndp or conservatives. Just curious ... how many billion dollar boondoggles has the mayor of toronto been involved in?
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
:fp:
dude ... don't you get tired of beating the same dead horse over and over and over and over again!? ...
my riding is ndp both federally and provincially too ... what do you want? ...
i haven't voted liberal ever in an election ... not sure why everything has to always be about them ...
No actually I don't ever get tired it, especially since they raised taxes and wasted billions. Because if you ever want the socialist society you advocate for then governments need to quit wasting billions. Like I said before Ford keeps us entertained ... So yes i will hope he gets reelected
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/d ... -1.2415154
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/m ... -1.2415533
Not too surprised that he's still acting all indignant.... They didn't ask the right questions??
"Did you smoke crack cocaine?"
"No."
Okay buddy. :roll:
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
It is all so unbelievable. Maybe now some of his core support will start to evaporate....if that happens I can't see how he can continue on.
I'm embarrassed as a Canadian, I can only imagine how a Torontonian must feel.
It is a little surprising to me as well. Anyone know if this precludes him being charged? I know that Blair had said no charges could be filed from the video, just wondering if Ford knows that more evidence (sic) will emerge and he's trying to get in front? Regardless, it's an amusing shit-show.
First you have to admit your problems then you can seek help.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
I live 15 minutes from Detroit ... this guy has nothing on what taken place in that city with their former mayor. Why would you be embarrassed? He should be embarrassed ... but I doubt he is. I know I'm not embarrassed! He doesn't represent me or my community or even my region, he doesn't represent Ontario and most certainly doesn't represent Canada ... but what this case shows is that we need "right to recall legislation". My guess is that he admitted well before the 2015 election that it might not even be an issue ... heck if he just sought out drug and alcohol rehab it'd be damn near impossible for anyone to even mention it after (the old I was addicted and now I'm a recovering addict story).
I would not be embarrassed ...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I would say most people who indulge in illegal drugs know, deal with or hang around questionable characters and to be honest I consider politicians to be of questionable character
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
People need to have much higher standards when it comes to who they elect into government. In the end, it's the fault of the naive fools who vote for people like this. I mean seriously... people didn't fucking see this kind of shit as a possibility when Ford ran for office?? I thought it was pretty obvious that he's a narcissistic pig. What the fuck was his competition like?? Not disgusting enough or what??