Is America Really 'The Land of The Free'?

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  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    I think Polaris X hates Corporations, never got an Anti-American vibe though.

    This thread's been a fun read this morning :lol:

    Too the Op subject, scary as Fuck! It's getting to the point where i don't even want to make an off color joke about anything, worried i might start flashing on somebody's screen. I have a friend on FB and he posts everything he can find on government control and conspiracy theory's, a couple of days after the Boston Marathon he got a phone call from someone who identified himself as an FBI agent, telling him to knock it off or they be taking a closer look at him. :shock:

    and he isn't even one of the more radical people i'm friend's with.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    JC29856 wrote:
    great thread...

    if you live in america and you dont like how its government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... go somewhere else

    if you live somewhere else and you dont like how the american government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... shut the fu(k up and worry about your own country

    Yep, that's Democracy in action! :lol::lol:
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    JC29856 wrote:
    great thread...

    if you live in america and you dont like how its government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... go somewhere else

    if you live somewhere else and you dont like how the american government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... shut the fu(k up and worry about your own country

    Just a slight twisting of my point here. :lol: And, don't forget about "Get off the Train if you disagree."
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    BinauralJam wrote:
    I think Polaris X hates Corporations, never got an Anti-American vibe though.

    This thread's been a fun read this morning :lol:

    Too the Op subject, scary as Fuck! It's getting to the point where i don't even want to make an off color joke about anything, worried i might start flashing on somebody's screen. I have a friend on FB and he posts everything he can find on government control and conspiracy theory's, a couple of days after the Boston Marathon he got a phone call from someone who identified himself as an FBI agent, telling him to knock it off or they be taking a closer look at him. :shock:

    and he isn't even one of the more radical people i'm friend's with.

    now ... here's someone who understands me!! ... :mrgreen:
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    Godfather. wrote:
    man....for so many of you who feel America is so bad you all sure seem to enjoy a lot of things about America.

    Godfather.
    Who is this directed towards??
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited May 2013
    JC29856 wrote:
    great thread...

    if you live in america and you dont like how its government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... go somewhere else

    if you live somewhere else and you dont like how the american government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... shut the fu(k up and worry about your own country
    Do you really prescribe to the "if you don't like it, get out" attitude?? What happened to trying to make things better when you see something wrong happening?? Thank god all the important people who changed history for the better didn't have this attitude! I thought that dissent and protest was a very important part of democracy...
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    BinauralJam wrote:
    I think Polaris X hates Corporations, never got an Anti-American vibe though.

    This thread's been a fun read this morning :lol:

    Too the Op subject, scary as Fuck! It's getting to the point where i don't even want to make an off color joke about anything, worried i might start flashing on somebody's screen. I have a friend on FB and he posts everything he can find on government control and conspiracy theory's, a couple of days after the Boston Marathon he got a phone call from someone who identified himself as an FBI agent, telling him to knock it off or they be taking a closer look at him. :shock:

    and he isn't even one of the more radical people i'm friend's with.
    edit...
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    JimmyV wrote:
    And, don't forget about "Get off the Train if you disagree."

    Except that's not what I said. This is what I said:

    'If you have nothing to contribute other than personal attacks on other members, then you have no business posting here.'

    Not the same thing.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    And, don't forget about "Get off the Train if you disagree."

    Except that's not what I said. This is what I said:

    'If you have nothing to contribute other than personal attacks on other members, then you have no business posting here.'

    Not the same thing.

    Really?
    Byrnzie wrote:

    And if you really dislike reading my posts, and Polaris's posts, so much, then either stop reading the MT, or put me and him on ignore.

    Again, you don't get to dictate who does or does not have a voice on this forum.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    JC29856 wrote:
    great thread...

    if you live in america and you dont like how its government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... go somewhere else

    if you live somewhere else and you dont like how the american government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... shut the fu(k up and worry about your own country
    Do you really prescribe to the "if you don't like it, get out" attitude?? What happened to trying to make things better when you see something wrong happening?? Thank god all the important people who changed history for the better didn't have this attitude! I thought that dissent and protest was a very important part of democracy...

    He was being sarcastic, and paraphrasing Jimmy V. Jimmy V has a problem with people - me being one - criticizing 'America'. He apparently doesn't have a problem with 'valid critics' of America making 'valid criticisms', but if somebody - i.e, me - makes too many criticisms of America, then it shows they are filled with 'clear prejudice', and 'repulsive hatred' towards America and Americans.

    I'm wondering where the threshold lies in his calculations: I.e, how many criticisms of American government policies (insert 'America' and 'Americans') can somebody make before they tip over the threshold into hate and prejudice. Maybe he can enlighten us all on this point?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited May 2013
    JimmyV wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    And, don't forget about "Get off the Train if you disagree."

    Except that's not what I said. This is what I said:

    'If you have nothing to contribute other than personal attacks on other members, then you have no business posting here.'

    Not the same thing.

    Really?
    Byrnzie wrote:

    And if you really dislike reading my posts, and Polaris's posts, so much, then either stop reading the MT, or put me and him on ignore.

    Again, you don't get to dictate who does or does not have a voice on this forum.

    Still not the same as "Get off the Train if you disagree." You've already stated that you have a problem with certain posters - me and Polaris X, therefore 'if you really dislike reading my posts, and Polaris's posts, so much, then either stop reading the MT, or put me and him on ignore'. Pretty fucking simple really.
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    Byrnzie wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    JC29856 wrote:
    great thread...

    if you live in america and you dont like how its government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... go somewhere else

    if you live somewhere else and you dont like how the american government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... shut the fu(k up and worry about your own country
    Do you really prescribe to the "if you don't like it, get out" attitude?? What happened to trying to make things better when you see something wrong happening?? Thank god all the important people who changed history for the better didn't have this attitude! I thought that dissent and protest was a very important part of democracy...

    He was being sarcastic, and paraphrasing Jimmy V. Jimmy V has a problem with people - me being one - criticizing 'America'. He apparently doesn't have a problem with 'valid critics' of America making 'valid criticisms', but if somebody - i.e, me - makes too many criticisms of America, then it shows they are filled with 'clear prejudice', and 'repulsive hatred' towards America and Americans.

    I'm wondering where the threshold lies in his calculations: I.e, how many criticisms of American government policies (insert 'America' and 'Americans') can somebody make before they tip over the threshold into hate and prejudice. Maybe he can enlighten us all on this point?

    Actually he was doing a very poor job of paraphrasing me. Just to be clear. :D

    I think judging hate is much like judging porn. I cannot define it but I know it when I see it.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    JimmyV wrote:
    Actually he was doing a very poor job of paraphrasing me. Just to be clear. :D

    I thought he did a perfect job of paraphrasing you.
    JimmyV wrote:
    I think judging hate is much like judging porn. I cannot define it but I know it when I see it.

    And I know trolling when I see it.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    Really?
    Byrnzie wrote:

    And if you really dislike reading my posts, and Polaris's posts, so much, then either stop reading the MT, or put me and him on ignore.

    Again, you don't get to dictate who does or does not have a voice on this forum.

    Still not the same as "Get off the Train if you disagree." You've already stated that you have a problem with certain posters - me and Polaris X, therefore 'if you really dislike reading my posts, and Polaris's posts, so much, then either stop reading the MT, or put me and him on ignore'. Pretty fucking simple really.

    Yeah, totally different. :roll:

    I have a problem with prejudice. Regardless of who posts it. Particularly when it is accepted as OK. But we have been over this ground before.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,599
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    Actually he was doing a very poor job of paraphrasing me. Just to be clear. :D

    I thought he did a perfect job of paraphrasing you.
    JimmyV wrote:
    I think judging hate is much like judging porn. I cannot define it but I know it when I see it.

    And I know trolling when I see it.

    Again, not trolling at all. Haven't been at any point.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited May 2013
    http://youtu.be/uKJ6BcYkDzI
    listening in on your neighbors
    http://youtu.be/P0WtdWBJwNY

    i once had a hand held police scanner. with the code book you can dial in a code & listen in on your immediate neighborhood with those who use cordless phones. we tried it, it works. law enforcement listens to phone conversations constantly & you don't have to be a big time drug dealer and or in the mob for them to listen in on your shit.

    cell phone jammer
    http://youtu.be/VHVfGRpLLmg
    stick a cell jammer under your enemies sofa. he or she will never receive or make another cell phone call from their home again
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    Byrnzie wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    JC29856 wrote:
    great thread...

    if you live in america and you dont like how its government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... go somewhere else

    if you live somewhere else and you dont like how the american government operates in the name of and with its citizens money... shut the fu(k up and worry about your own country
    Do you really prescribe to the "if you don't like it, get out" attitude?? What happened to trying to make things better when you see something wrong happening?? Thank god all the important people who changed history for the better didn't have this attitude! I thought that dissent and protest was a very important part of democracy...

    He was being sarcastic, and paraphrasing Jimmy V. Jimmy V has a problem with people - me being one - criticizing 'America'. He apparently doesn't have a problem with 'valid critics' of America making 'valid criticisms', but if somebody - i.e, me - makes too many criticisms of America, then it shows they are filled with 'clear prejudice', and 'repulsive hatred' towards America and Americans.

    I'm wondering where the threshold lies in his calculations: I.e, how many criticisms of American government policies (insert 'America' and 'Americans') can somebody make before they tip over the threshold into hate and prejudice. Maybe he can enlighten us all on this point?
    I like Jimmy V, and agree with him often. :) And I don't have a problem with how he's carry on his conversation .... I just don't approve of the idea that people should leave America rather than protesting wrong doings.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    JimmyV wrote:
    I have a problem with prejudice. Regardless of who posts it. Particularly when it is accepted as OK. But we have been over this ground before.

    Except the prejudice you keep spouting about doesn't exist. Your own personal little fantasy (grudge) does not give you carte blanche to insult people and derail threads.
    I know you're trying your best to disguise your trolling and personal attacks as some sort of moral crusade, but it's still just trolling and personal attacks.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I like Jimmy V, and agree with him often. :) And I don't have a problem with how he's carry on his conversation ....

    Good for you.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    JimmyV wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    Actually he was doing a very poor job of paraphrasing me. Just to be clear. :D

    I thought he did a perfect job of paraphrasing you.
    JimmyV wrote:
    I think judging hate is much like judging porn. I cannot define it but I know it when I see it.

    And I know trolling when I see it.

    Again, not trolling at all. Haven't been at any point.

    to be fair, I think that speaking about members and not the content of the thread, which has been going on for a few pages now, actually is.
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