The Civil Wars just announced a new album

LukinFan

I started listening to their new album today. I'm only a few songs in, but it's not bad

2-feign-reluctance

Never heard them before. Looks like I"m too late!

musicismylife78

the npr interview from a few days ago with joy seems to suggest the fight between joy and john paul revolved around Joy wanting to continue touring and going and going, and john paul missing his wife and kids and wanting to take time off. With Joy's husband as manager, and her bringing her son on tour, makes sense that she would feel like things were going well since she really wasnt forced to give anything up. John paul was forced to give up time with his family. Sounds like Joy didnt want to stop the pace of the band, and John Paul did. She talked about how she views ambition as a very important trait, especially for a woman, to have. So evidently, thats what the fight is about.

Better Dan

musicismylife78 wrote:

the npr interview from a few days ago with joy seems to suggest the fight between joy and john paul revolved around Joy wanting to continue touring and going and going, and john paul missing his wife and kids and wanting to take time off. With Joy's husband as manager, and her bringing her son on tour, makes sense that she would feel like things were going well since she really wasnt forced to give anything up. John paul was forced to give up time with his family. Sounds like Joy didnt want to stop the pace of the band, and John Paul did. She talked about how she views ambition as a very important trait, especially for a woman, to have. So evidently, thats what the fight is about.

That makes sense and also seems to fit with their statement when the band canceled it's tour. I wouldn't be surprised if there were also other personality conflicts that got in the way as well. Still hoping they can works things out. Based on what we've read, it seems like the ball is in John Paul's court now. Joy appears willing to want to work things out and a band that does less touring and records less music is still a band so it would seem they should be able to come to some sort of a compromise if John wanted to take it slow. Will be interesting to see whether or not he decides to come back at all. He has 4 kids so I can't blame him for wanting to make up for lost time with him family. Seems like they were on a whirlwind for 2 years.

Better Dan

What does everyone think of the new album? I've listened to it a few times and am really enjoying it, but I don't like how low in the mix John Paul seems on most of the songs. I almost have to remind myself it's not a Joy solo album while listening. He's still there, and some songs feature him more than others, but in others I can barely hear his voice. I listened to some B sides this morning after listening through the album and the difference in the mix is like night and day. Other than that, I think the songs are great and still hope that there is more to come.

Favorites so far (in the order they appear on the album) are: The one that got away, I had me a girl, Same old same old, Devil's backbone, and From this valley.

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musicismylife78

I dont know if I totally agree. Joy doesnt appear as pissed off as John paul but who knows what goes on when the cameras arent there. As I said, theres a promo for the One That Got Away video, and Joy appears on it. And she says "this song is about someone you wish you never had met". That aint mincing words or beating around the bush.

I dont know Joy or John Paul and all we have are a few interviews and her side of the story. But I dont get the sense she, even now, understands why John Paul would want to stay and be with his family. As I said, she explicitly referenced ambition as being a trait all women should have, and she mentioned that John Paul is staying with his family at the moment, then said something like "thats whats good for him right now". A backhanded compliment of sorts.

I dont get the sense from what Ive read, that she really understands his side of the story. And why would she. Her touring situation sounds ideal. Look at the Grammy Speech by John Paul, he specifically mentions stuff about his wife and telling her "if this was successful I told you I wasnt going to be around much". Seems a clear jab at Joy.

I get the sense after Barton Hallow and the success came, Joy wanted to keep going, making music, and touring. John Paul wanted to take it slow, and be with his family.

I dont see that dynamic and situation as changing.

musicismylife78

i dont get the sense Joy wants to work things out.

I dont think she wants to take it easy and tour less and record less. I think thats clearly what drove them apart. As I said, I dont see that changing any time soon.

I dont think there really is a compromise. You have two completely similar sensibilities and personalities as far as the melodies and music itself go. But, when it comes to other issues like family, touring, how the band should be run, I think Joy and John Paul couldnt be any more dissimilar