he didn't speak up as all of this was unfolding...
:yawn:
I don't agree with your point of view sometimes, but, I absolutely agree with you on this. Where the hell was he when all this was unfolding? Time for him to move on.....
he didn't speak up as all of this was unfolding...
:yawn:
I don't agree with your point of view sometimes, but, I absolutely agree with you on this. Where the hell was he when all this was unfolding? Time for him to move on.....
Exactly, and a very important point to remember. The question was asked repeatedly on this board and elsewhere regarding what should have been done, and there were very few answers. A discussion of tactics is one thing, but that is not what we have seen. If someone can point to anyone who had constructive ideas on what should have been better done as the search was underway I will give that person credit right now. But I sure didn't see any of that.
he didn't speak up as all of this was unfolding...
:yawn:
I don't agree with your point of view sometimes, but, I absolutely agree with you on this. Where the hell was he when all this was unfolding? Time for him to move on.....
i know what you are saying, many people disagree with me, but there is usually some common ground somewhere, and sometimes we find it. sometimes not
he knew that if he said what he was thinking he would have been dismissed. it is easy for him to sit home in texas and criticize or second guess the response, but with a bomber on the loose, people were scared. they were terrified. they wilfully cooperated with law enforcement for the good of the entire city and the guy was captured.
people in boston liveblogged what was happening. they did what was asked of them and they handled themselves beautifully. there were no "rugged individualists" out there in the streets getting in the way of law enforcement screaming about their freedom to be a dumbass...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
when you are not on stage you can say that you can sing better than everyone up there...
if Americans want him to tell how things should be,would be the president
he is not..
History is written by the winners...period..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
people in boston liveblogged what was happening. they did what was asked of them and they handled themselves beautifully. there were no "rugged individualists" out there in the streets getting in the way of law enforcement screaming about their freedom to be a dumbass...
And we are a city that prides ourselves on our freedom to be dumbasses!
A couple of observations...
The so-called 'militarization' of Boston was actually a police dragnet. To those persons who were not aware, there was a fugative at large. A fugative that would be easier to locate if he is the only one on the streets.
Also, to those people who are afraid of the government... this was an example of what you are up against. And, they were not even operating at 10%. The bulk of the enforcement was local police, state police and regional FBI along with a small detachment of National Guardsmen. Imagine if it were several Companies of the U.S. Army with their .50 cal. turretted HMMWVs, armoured personel carriers and M-1A-1 Tanks parked on your driveway. You are probably going to need something greater that that AR-15 that will eventually be taken from your cold, dead hand.
So... you paranoid folks have a reason to be paranoid. The government is coming to get you. They have helicopters with Forward Looking InfaRed that can see you as you hide in the bow if a boat on a trailer in some ramdom backyard. There are cameras... everywhere... taking pictures of you everytime you step out your door. In fact, that survellience camera across the street in you neighbor's house is capturing images of you in the edges of it's peripheral vision through your unshaded windows.
Finally, more of the American people are on their side than on your side and will drop a dime on you when they see you climbing under the tarp of their boat.
Have a nice day.
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Hail, Hail!!!
A couple of observations...
The so-called 'militarization' of Boston was actually a police dragnet. To those persons who were not aware, there was a fugative at large. A fugative that would be easier to locate if he is the only one on the streets.
Also, to those people who are afraid of the government... this was an example of what you are up against. And, they were not even operating at 10%. The bulk of the enforcement was local police, state police and regional FBI along with a small detachment of National Guardsmen. Imagine if it were several Companies of the U.S. Army with their .50 cal. turretted HMMWVs, armoured personel carriers and M-1A-1 Tanks parked on your driveway. You are probably going to need something greater that that AR-15 that will eventually be taken from your cold, dead hand.
So... you paranoid folks have a reason to be paranoid. The government is coming to get you. They have helicopters with Forward Looking InfaRed that can see you as you hide in the bow if a boat on a trailer in some ramdom backyard. There are cameras... everywhere... taking pictures of you everytime you step out your door. In fact, that survellience camera across the street in you neighbor's house is capturing images of you in the edges of it's peripheral vision through your unshaded windows.
Finally, more of the American people are on their side than on your side and will drop a dime on you when they see you climbing under the tarp of their boat.
Have a nice day.
There you go Cosmo making all kinds of sense some people can't understand it ...
I'm still waiting for a democrat, any democrat, to have the guts to speak up.
I'm confused, wasn't the Democrat Party the strong believers in civil liberty?
At least the ACLU spoke up about the militarization of the streets.
...
I was unaware that setting off a bomb in the middle of a crowd of people was considered to be a 'Civil Liberty'.
I learn something new from you, everyday.
Thanx.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
A couple of observations...
The so-called 'militarization' of Boston was actually a police dragnet. To those persons who were not aware, there was a fugative at large. A fugative that would be easier to locate if he is the only one on the streets.
Also, to those people who are afraid of the government... this was an example of what you are up against. And, they were not even operating at 10%. The bulk of the enforcement was local police, state police and regional FBI along with a small detachment of National Guardsmen. Imagine if it were several Companies of the U.S. Army with their .50 cal. turretted HMMWVs, armoured personel carriers and M-1A-1 Tanks parked on your driveway. You are probably going to need something greater that that AR-15 that will eventually be taken from your cold, dead hand.
So... you paranoid folks have a reason to be paranoid. The government is coming to get you. They have helicopters with Forward Looking InfaRed that can see you as you hide in the bow if a boat on a trailer in some ramdom backyard. There are cameras... everywhere... taking pictures of you everytime you step out your door. In fact, that survellience camera across the street in you neighbor's house is capturing images of you in the edges of it's peripheral vision through your unshaded windows.
Finally, more of the American people are on their side than on your side and will drop a dime on you when they see you climbing under the tarp of their boat.
Have a nice day.
i like you...
its really funny how people think can fight the goverment back cos they have AK-15..
goverment can clik a button and make a city disapear from the map..for ever
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I'm still waiting for a democrat, any democrat, to have the guts to speak up.
I'm confused, wasn't the Democrat Party the strong believers in civil liberty?
At least the ACLU spoke up about the militarization of the streets.
...
I was unaware that setting off a bomb in the middle of a crowd of people was considered to be a 'Civil Liberty'.
I learn something new from you, everyday.
Thanx.
And that isn't at all what I was talking about and I think you know that. Every single reply I've had on the subject has been exactly the same, catch up next time before spouting off inaccuracies on my position. Thanksverymuch.
And that isn't at all what I was talking about and I think you know that. Every single reply I've had on the subject has been exactly the same, catch up next time before spouting off inaccuracies on my position. Thanksverymuch.
...
Okay.
Then what Civil Liberties are you talking about?
I didn't see or hear of any reports of soldiers kicking down doors and detaining people in their homes at gunpoint. Residents complied with police requests and remained indoors with their doors locked. The police knocked on the doors and asked if everything was okay and asked permission to search... to which, every non-psycho, law abiding citizen who was not harboring a fugitive bombing murderer in their midst, complied.
Now, YOU could have said, 'No. You may not search my home.' for whatever reason. But, you would probably cast suspicion upon yourself... that you probably WERE harboring a fugitive bombing murderer... and rightly so, because what kind of nut fucks with the police during such an extraordinary situation?
...
It is NOT like the police decided to shutdown the city for no reason. There was a reason WHY the citizens were advised to remain off the streets... and the sane citizens complied because they understood these dangerous conditions.
...
Again... WHAT civil liberties should your enemy, The Democrats, be up in arms over?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I respect the hell out of Ron Paul and he got my vote last election.
I'm kind of on the fence about this one though, as it was an unusual circumstance and all. I was reading some scattered reports about police going into homes and searching them without consent. I can't say for certain the accuracy of these claims, but if true, I am certainly not happy with that at all.
i am wondering if mr paul would be the first one to ask why law enforcement did not employ the tools at their disposal and the bomber ended up getting away to blow up times square, as he had allegedly planned....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
If Ron Paul were President, what would he have done in response to this bombing? Maybe it wouldn't have mattered because the FBI would have done what they do, and officials in MA would have done what they did anyway. But suppose we had people who think like Ron Paul in charge... would the suspects have been stopped so quickly? I doubt it. They probably would still be free to bomb again... perhaps to bomb Times Square like apparently they had planned to.
You people are so off base. The police state had NOTHING to do with the capture of the suspect. It was not until the police state was lifted that an alert citizen who was finally allowed out of his home found the suspect.
Tell me how in the hell the suspect was allowed to escape the inital overnight shootout? He was wounded, drove through a police barrier, ditched the car a block later, got out on foot and ran away from police with dogs, night vision, infared, and everything else at their disposal...all this while being shot...yet the police continue to get praise for this disgrace.
And to the one who hails from GREECE, what in the hell is an AK-15? Is that the same as an AR-47?
You people are so off base. The police state had NOTHING to do with the capture of the suspect. It was not until the police state was lifted that an alert citizen who was finally allowed out of his home found the suspect.
Tell me how in the hell the suspect was allowed to escape the inital overnight shootout? He was wounded, drove through a police barrier, ditched the car a block later, got out on foot and ran away from police with dogs, night vision, infared, and everything else at their disposal...all this while being shot...yet the police continue to get praise for this disgrace.
And to the one who hails from GREECE, what in the hell is an AK-15? Is that the same as an AR-47?
If Ron Paul were President, what would he have done in response to this bombing? Maybe it wouldn't have mattered because the FBI would have done what they do, and officials in MA would have done what they did anyway. But suppose we had people who think like Ron Paul in charge... would the suspects have been stopped so quickly? I doubt it. They probably would still be free to bomb again... perhaps to bomb Times Square like apparently they had planned to.
if we are going to suppose things, it is possible that with non-interventionists (Ron Paul) in charge for many years they wouldn't have been motivated to blow us up.
You are probably right though...many more innocents would have been killed in a times square attack simply because Ron Paul was president. So glad President Obama was able to capture the suspect so efficiently
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Everything happens for a reason and that's not always divine.
It's obvious to me that power always has an agenda, it's not power without it.
I look back after recent historic incidents and take a look at the changes
that came to be because of them. Controlling is pretty much the basic theme.
But isn't that what power has to do to maintain?
Hey I like Ron Paul. I like his son though I see many do not.
I'm just cynical enough though as of late not to trust pretty much any of
those involved in our political system. Sad but true.
Side note... I enjoyed the interview with the man who was carjacked, escaped
and put into motion the events. I'm digesting and trying to believe it all.
If Ron Paul were President, what would he have done in response to this bombing? Maybe it wouldn't have mattered because the FBI would have done what they do, and officials in MA would have done what they did anyway. But suppose we had people who think like Ron Paul in charge... would the suspects have been stopped so quickly? I doubt it. They probably would still be free to bomb again... perhaps to bomb Times Square like apparently they had planned to.
if we are going to suppose things, it is possible that with non-interventionists (Ron Paul) in charge for many years they wouldn't have been motivated to blow us up.
You are probably right though...many more innocents would have been killed in a times square attack simply because Ron Paul was president. So glad President Obama was able to capture the suspect so efficiently
Mike, you have done as good a job as anyone I have read in articulating why it is important to question and understand everything that went on. As always, you are an asset to your side. But part of that discussion does have to include what possibly would have happened had the police not acted as they did. It isn't outside the realm of possibility that this murderer could have escaped and killed again, or taken hostages and killed in the short term. I think the discussion would be more fruitful if those critiquing the police had been able to offer any alternatives as events unfolded. Many are still unable to today and almost two weeks has passed since Watertown.
(I understand that group does not include you -- you have been clear from the start that while you believe the discussion should take place you do not have any major problems with what was done. Feel free to correct me if my read on that is incorrect.)
If Ron Paul were President, what would he have done in response to this bombing? Maybe it wouldn't have mattered because the FBI would have done what they do, and officials in MA would have done what they did anyway. But suppose we had people who think like Ron Paul in charge... would the suspects have been stopped so quickly? I doubt it. They probably would still be free to bomb again... perhaps to bomb Times Square like apparently they had planned to.
if we are going to suppose things, it is possible that with non-interventionists (Ron Paul) in charge for many years they wouldn't have been motivated to blow us up.
You are probably right though...many more innocents would have been killed in a times square attack simply because Ron Paul was president. So glad President Obama was able to capture the suspect so efficiently
Mike, you have done as good a job as anyone I have read in articulating why it is important to question and understand everything that went on. As always, you are an asset to your side. But part of that discussion does have to include what possibly would have happened had the police not acted as they did. It isn't outside the realm of possibility that this murderer could have escaped and killed again, or taken hostages and killed in the short term. I think the discussion would be more fruitful if those critiquing the police had been able to offer any alternatives as events unfolded. Many are still unable to today and almost two weeks has passed since Watertown.
(I understand that group does not include you -- you have been clear from the start that while you believe the discussion should take place you do not have any major problems with what was done. Feel free to correct me if my read on that is incorrect.)
no that is a pretty correct assessment.
As to what could have been done differently...I think we need to be careful when we assign causation of apprehension in this matter to the heavily armed military response. I think what most are saying and questioning is did it NEED to go as far as it did to reach the same outcome. Some people are quick to assume that the bombers would have escaped had it not happened the way it did...but few of those same folks are willing to consider that with less of an armed military response the same result could have happened. Look at the response I got, the author just assumed that another attack would have happened had the police not gone as far as they did. I am not willing to condemn the police actions like some, but I am certainly not willing to just assume everything they did was ok without review either.
I don't know if all we had was a normal police man hunt if they would have been caught...I think the police are very capable and have a little more faith in them to do their job correctly than most I would imagine. I think by doing what they did in community outreach and by making reasonable search areas they did a lot of things right. I don't know how they conducted the searches of people's homes but I think asking the question is a good thing to do. Asking someone to come in with an assault rifle on your hip is a little different than asking to come in to search without it there. Second guessing CAN be very helpful when done reasonably. I don't think anyone is calling for people's heads to roll here, at least I am not.
I am thankful for groups like the ACLU, Ron Paul, Bill Maher (hurts to type that one) and anyone else in the public eye who is willing to ask the question that many don't want asked, as ridiculous as they may seem to some, they are constantly watching for the line, constantly trying to force the gov't to define that line and I am glad there are those that do it so outspokenly.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
just imagine what would have to happen if this wasn't just a 19 year old kid who managed to get away the night before despite having a full tactical unit gone to arrest him ...
once again - we see that fear is the ultimate tool in manipulating people ...
just imagine what would have to happen if this wasn't just a 19 year old kid who managed to get away the night before despite having a full tactical unit gone to arrest him ...
once again - we see that fear is the ultimate tool in manipulating people ...
Dont forget he was shot up and pouring blood all over the place to make it even easier for them to find him
just imagine what would have to happen if this wasn't just a 19 year old kid who managed to get away the night before despite having a full tactical unit gone to arrest him ...
once again - we see that fear is the ultimate tool in manipulating people ...
It's amazing how many rights people will give up when fear is a motivator. Case in point on this message board.
Just imagine what might have happened if he actually had gotten away.
they would have found someone
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Just imagine what might have happened if he actually had gotten away.
they would have found someone
Full disclosure...I have questions about the guy they did end up pinning that on. Wasn't he an abortion bomber? And he just decides to blow up the Olympics? Never really made sense to me.
if we are going to suppose things, it is possible that with non-interventionists (Ron Paul) in charge for many years they wouldn't have been motivated to blow us up.
You are probably right though...many more innocents would have been killed in a times square attack simply because Ron Paul was president. So glad President Obama was able to capture the suspect so efficiently
Mike, you have done as good a job as anyone I have read in articulating why it is important to question and understand everything that went on. As always, you are an asset to your side. But part of that discussion does have to include what possibly would have happened had the police not acted as they did. It isn't outside the realm of possibility that this murderer could have escaped and killed again, or taken hostages and killed in the short term. I think the discussion would be more fruitful if those critiquing the police had been able to offer any alternatives as events unfolded. Many are still unable to today and almost two weeks has passed since Watertown.
(I understand that group does not include you -- you have been clear from the start that while you believe the discussion should take place you do not have any major problems with what was done. Feel free to correct me if my read on that is incorrect.)
no that is a pretty correct assessment.
As to what could have been done differently...I think we need to be careful when we assign causation of apprehension in this matter to the heavily armed military response. I think what most are saying and questioning is did it NEED to go as far as it did to reach the same outcome. Some people are quick to assume that the bombers would have escaped had it not happened the way it did...but few of those same folks are willing to consider that with less of an armed military response the same result could have happened. Look at the response I got, the author just assumed that another attack would have happened had the police not gone as far as they did. I am not willing to condemn the police actions like some, but I am certainly not willing to just assume everything they did was ok without review either.
I don't know if all we had was a normal police man hunt if they would have been caught...I think the police are very capable and have a little more faith in them to do their job correctly than most I would imagine. I think by doing what they did in community outreach and by making reasonable search areas they did a lot of things right. I don't know how they conducted the searches of people's homes but I think asking the question is a good thing to do. Asking someone to come in with an assault rifle on your hip is a little different than asking to come in to search without it there. Second guessing CAN be very helpful when done reasonably. I don't think anyone is calling for people's heads to roll here, at least I am not.
I am thankful for groups like the ACLU, Ron Paul, Bill Maher (hurts to type that one) and anyone else in the public eye who is willing to ask the question that many don't want asked, as ridiculous as they may seem to some, they are constantly watching for the line, constantly trying to force the gov't to define that line and I am glad there are those that do it so outspokenly.
Is it possible that that level of response could serve as notice to any future pontetial criminals who would wish to do something similar?
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Is it possible that that level of response could serve as notice to any future pontetial criminals who would wish to do something similar?
Just spitballing here.
Yes, absolutely. But I think you could also make the case that someone could enjoy watching a major American city shut down, could see that as an accomplishment.
Is it possible that that level of response could serve as notice to any future pontetial criminals who would wish to do something similar?
Just spitballing here.
Yes, absolutely. But I think you could also make the case that someone could enjoy watching a major American city shut down, could see that as an accomplishment.
I get that.
L.E. may not want to "celebrate" the capture too much. After all , ALL DAY, they searched and the guy was found just outside the search area by a civilian!! Smacks of ineptitude.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
And to the one who hails from GREECE, what in the hell is an AK-15? Is that the same as an AR-47?
kinda the same..its illigal here in Greece civilian has and carry any type of gun,even a knife bigger than 1.2 inches..we have elected goverment that pays the military to defend the country from foreign enemies and police to serve and protect the civilians inside the country..and its all we need to have.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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I don't agree with your point of view sometimes, but, I absolutely agree with you on this. Where the hell was he when all this was unfolding? Time for him to move on.....
Exactly, and a very important point to remember. The question was asked repeatedly on this board and elsewhere regarding what should have been done, and there were very few answers. A discussion of tactics is one thing, but that is not what we have seen. If someone can point to anyone who had constructive ideas on what should have been better done as the search was underway I will give that person credit right now. But I sure didn't see any of that.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
he knew that if he said what he was thinking he would have been dismissed. it is easy for him to sit home in texas and criticize or second guess the response, but with a bomber on the loose, people were scared. they were terrified. they wilfully cooperated with law enforcement for the good of the entire city and the guy was captured.
people in boston liveblogged what was happening. they did what was asked of them and they handled themselves beautifully. there were no "rugged individualists" out there in the streets getting in the way of law enforcement screaming about their freedom to be a dumbass...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
if Americans want him to tell how things should be,would be the president
he is not..
History is written by the winners...period..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
And we are a city that prides ourselves on our freedom to be dumbasses!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
The so-called 'militarization' of Boston was actually a police dragnet. To those persons who were not aware, there was a fugative at large. A fugative that would be easier to locate if he is the only one on the streets.
Also, to those people who are afraid of the government... this was an example of what you are up against. And, they were not even operating at 10%. The bulk of the enforcement was local police, state police and regional FBI along with a small detachment of National Guardsmen. Imagine if it were several Companies of the U.S. Army with their .50 cal. turretted HMMWVs, armoured personel carriers and M-1A-1 Tanks parked on your driveway. You are probably going to need something greater that that AR-15 that will eventually be taken from your cold, dead hand.
So... you paranoid folks have a reason to be paranoid. The government is coming to get you. They have helicopters with Forward Looking InfaRed that can see you as you hide in the bow if a boat on a trailer in some ramdom backyard. There are cameras... everywhere... taking pictures of you everytime you step out your door. In fact, that survellience camera across the street in you neighbor's house is capturing images of you in the edges of it's peripheral vision through your unshaded windows.
Finally, more of the American people are on their side than on your side and will drop a dime on you when they see you climbing under the tarp of their boat.
Have a nice day.
Hail, Hail!!!
There you go Cosmo making all kinds of sense some people can't understand it ...
I was unaware that setting off a bomb in the middle of a crowd of people was considered to be a 'Civil Liberty'.
I learn something new from you, everyday.
Thanx.
Hail, Hail!!!
its really funny how people think can fight the goverment back cos they have AK-15..
goverment can clik a button and make a city disapear from the map..for ever
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
And that isn't at all what I was talking about and I think you know that. Every single reply I've had on the subject has been exactly the same, catch up next time before spouting off inaccuracies on my position. Thanksverymuch.
Okay.
Then what Civil Liberties are you talking about?
I didn't see or hear of any reports of soldiers kicking down doors and detaining people in their homes at gunpoint. Residents complied with police requests and remained indoors with their doors locked. The police knocked on the doors and asked if everything was okay and asked permission to search... to which, every non-psycho, law abiding citizen who was not harboring a fugitive bombing murderer in their midst, complied.
Now, YOU could have said, 'No. You may not search my home.' for whatever reason. But, you would probably cast suspicion upon yourself... that you probably WERE harboring a fugitive bombing murderer... and rightly so, because what kind of nut fucks with the police during such an extraordinary situation?
...
It is NOT like the police decided to shutdown the city for no reason. There was a reason WHY the citizens were advised to remain off the streets... and the sane citizens complied because they understood these dangerous conditions.
...
Again... WHAT civil liberties should your enemy, The Democrats, be up in arms over?
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm kind of on the fence about this one though, as it was an unusual circumstance and all. I was reading some scattered reports about police going into homes and searching them without consent. I can't say for certain the accuracy of these claims, but if true, I am certainly not happy with that at all.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Tell me how in the hell the suspect was allowed to escape the inital overnight shootout? He was wounded, drove through a police barrier, ditched the car a block later, got out on foot and ran away from police with dogs, night vision, infared, and everything else at their disposal...all this while being shot...yet the police continue to get praise for this disgrace.
And to the one who hails from GREECE, what in the hell is an AK-15? Is that the same as an AR-47?
"NOTHING" & "allowed to escape"....?
if we are going to suppose things, it is possible that with non-interventionists (Ron Paul) in charge for many years they wouldn't have been motivated to blow us up.
You are probably right though...many more innocents would have been killed in a times square attack simply because Ron Paul was president. So glad President Obama was able to capture the suspect so efficiently
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
It's obvious to me that power always has an agenda, it's not power without it.
I look back after recent historic incidents and take a look at the changes
that came to be because of them. Controlling is pretty much the basic theme.
But isn't that what power has to do to maintain?
Hey I like Ron Paul. I like his son though I see many do not.
I'm just cynical enough though as of late not to trust pretty much any of
those involved in our political system. Sad but true.
Side note... I enjoyed the interview with the man who was carjacked, escaped
and put into motion the events. I'm digesting and trying to believe it all.
Mike, you have done as good a job as anyone I have read in articulating why it is important to question and understand everything that went on. As always, you are an asset to your side. But part of that discussion does have to include what possibly would have happened had the police not acted as they did. It isn't outside the realm of possibility that this murderer could have escaped and killed again, or taken hostages and killed in the short term. I think the discussion would be more fruitful if those critiquing the police had been able to offer any alternatives as events unfolded. Many are still unable to today and almost two weeks has passed since Watertown.
(I understand that group does not include you -- you have been clear from the start that while you believe the discussion should take place you do not have any major problems with what was done. Feel free to correct me if my read on that is incorrect.)
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
no that is a pretty correct assessment.
As to what could have been done differently...I think we need to be careful when we assign causation of apprehension in this matter to the heavily armed military response. I think what most are saying and questioning is did it NEED to go as far as it did to reach the same outcome. Some people are quick to assume that the bombers would have escaped had it not happened the way it did...but few of those same folks are willing to consider that with less of an armed military response the same result could have happened. Look at the response I got, the author just assumed that another attack would have happened had the police not gone as far as they did. I am not willing to condemn the police actions like some, but I am certainly not willing to just assume everything they did was ok without review either.
I don't know if all we had was a normal police man hunt if they would have been caught...I think the police are very capable and have a little more faith in them to do their job correctly than most I would imagine. I think by doing what they did in community outreach and by making reasonable search areas they did a lot of things right. I don't know how they conducted the searches of people's homes but I think asking the question is a good thing to do. Asking someone to come in with an assault rifle on your hip is a little different than asking to come in to search without it there. Second guessing CAN be very helpful when done reasonably. I don't think anyone is calling for people's heads to roll here, at least I am not.
I am thankful for groups like the ACLU, Ron Paul, Bill Maher (hurts to type that one) and anyone else in the public eye who is willing to ask the question that many don't want asked, as ridiculous as they may seem to some, they are constantly watching for the line, constantly trying to force the gov't to define that line and I am glad there are those that do it so outspokenly.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
once again - we see that fear is the ultimate tool in manipulating people ...
Dont forget he was shot up and pouring blood all over the place to make it even easier for them to find him
It's amazing how many rights people will give up when fear is a motivator. Case in point on this message board.
Just imagine what might have happened if he actually had gotten away.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
they would have found someone
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Full disclosure...I have questions about the guy they did end up pinning that on. Wasn't he an abortion bomber? And he just decides to blow up the Olympics? Never really made sense to me.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Just spitballing here.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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Yes, absolutely. But I think you could also make the case that someone could enjoy watching a major American city shut down, could see that as an accomplishment.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
L.E. may not want to "celebrate" the capture too much. After all , ALL DAY, they searched and the guy was found just outside the search area by a civilian!! Smacks of ineptitude.
Betcha better contingency plans are in place now.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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