I really don't care about the Palins, they've shown the country who they are and their limelight is over (Thank Bob). What I find desperate is that Sarah lacks the reality to understand that her time is well over.
I just assume she's doing it for money. She gets paid for these appearances, so as long as someone is willing to pay her, then I guess no one can blame her for doing it. But it does surprise me that anyone would want to see her speak! Obviously, there are some people - STAYSEA, for instance, still likes her, so it's not impossible.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with having your kids come along to political events with you.
Bristol Palin doesn't go to political events. She isn't a politician. She's reality show star and spokesperson for abstinence.
Which.... can you imagine how fucked up it must be that your mother's part time job is to point at you and say "don't make the mistakes I made..." while telling kids about the bad things that happen when you have sex?
Bristol Palin goes to Dance Competitions and Bars in West Hollywood with mechanical bulls.
It probably affords them some interesting insights and learning opportunities.
What do you think the kid learned while mom was on the mechanical bull in Weho.
Also, to assume that politicians just "haul them out in public as a political move", as though they don't even love them, but simply see them as political tools is really unfair and inaccurate.
Bristol Palin isn't a politician. She's a reality show star and teen abstinence spokesmodel.
Do people think that Obama's children are being abused?? I've certainly never heard anyone say that. And they seem like very well-adjusted, nice children with extraordinary lives.
That's because their father is the president and he doesn't really haul them out in public at every opportunity to make money by posing for pictures with them. And he's never used them as proof that getting laid when you're 16 is a bad thing.
Just an entitled woman who stokes the fears of a fading white middle class so she can get what money they have left.
And I called her daughter a slut and a whore and pointed out that the two of them are abysmal mothers who exploit their kids.
But didn't really talk about politics. Because Sarah didn't really, either.
I guess you would know a whore if you saw one being a Pornographer. Exploiting whores.
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How does riding a mechanical bull make one a whore?
In and of itself... it doesn't. My point with the mechanical bull wasn't about that it was that she isn't a politician, she's a reality show star.
The "Whore" comes from her willingness to cash in on her fame by doing pretty much anything for a buck. Condom commercials to speaking tours about abstinence, shameless moments like the mechanical bull to posing in a graduation gown and cap while holding the baby for a $200,000 fee on the cover of people magazine.
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I guess you would know a whore if you saw one being a Pornographer. Exploiting whores.
Um... ok. Although I would submit that the well-paid performers in movies I direct are a bit different than Bristol Palin's three year-old son. They choose to be there, they get paid well and aren't forced into doing anything for the profit of someone else.
So there's no "exploiting" there.
While I guess you can call the performers in adult movies "whores," I'm not totally in agreement. I don't see the same willingness to do just about anything for fame and money from guys like Francois Sagat. He'd never make a condom commercial and then do a speaking tour telling people to not have sex while promoting his new movie in which he has sex... for instance.
But I'm glad that you agree that if anyone knows a whore when he sees one... it would be me.
Just an entitled woman who stokes the fears of a fading white middle class so she can get what money they have left.
And I called her daughter a slut and a whore and pointed out that the two of them are abysmal mothers who exploit their kids.
But didn't really talk about politics. Because Sarah didn't really, either.
I guess you would know a whore if you saw one being a Pornographer. Exploiting whores.
Umm, yes, they are whores - that I wouldn't disagree with at all (can't see how anyone could), but what is your point? And how is POD exploiting them? De you have knowledge about him and his role in his job or industry that we don't know about? Just because someone is making money in the porn industry doesn't necessarily mean they are exploiting the workers (not that it doesn't happen, just like in many other industries, and probably more so than usual).
I don't agree with calling Bristol Palin a whore, but can't agree with you accusing someone of exploiting employees unless you have proof.
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How does riding a mechanical bull make one a whore?
In and of itself... it doesn't. My point with the mechanical bull wasn't about that it was that she isn't a politician, she's a reality show star.
The "Whore" comes from her willingness to cash in on her fame by doing pretty much anything for a buck. Condom commercials to speaking tours about abstinence, shameless moments like the mechanical bull to posing in a graduation gown and cap while holding the baby for a $200,000 fee on the cover of people magazine.
If I had a baby and could get $200,000 just for posing for a photo with him or her, I'd do it too! I guess I am also a whore! Well... a wannabe whore, anyway. :P
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Umm, yes, they are whores - that I wouldn't disagree with at all (can't see how anyone could), but what is your point?
I'm not sure that I would. I mean... it's just a job. The term "whore" is literally defined as a female prostitute and I only work with men. Although that's kinda splitting hairs.
And most of the performers I work with also just look at porn as a part-time hobby. They don't exchange sex for money off camera and they have control over their scene partners and what they're doing. While it's maybe not something you would personally do.. I would never work as a line chef but that doesn't mean that I think line chefs are whores.
AND...
To "whore one's self out" means to debase one's self by doing something for unworthy motives. And while maybe having sex on camera is something that you would find debasing and unworthy... we're all adults. Nobody is there doing anything that they don't want to do. There isn't - for example - a three year old whose inclusion isn't really his decision.
Just because someone is making money in the porn industry doesn't necessarily mean they are exploiting the workers (not that it doesn't happen, just like in many other industries, and probably more so than usual).
Actually... I saw a lot more drug abuse, sexual harassment, worker exploitation, back-stabbing, shady business practices and all-around lechery when I worked at a corporate purchasing office. You'd be amazed at how corporate and button-down we are behind the scenes.
i listened to her entire speech on xm. the patriot channel, to be exact. it struck me as nothing more than the same jingoistic crap that she is known for. throwing out zingers at obama and the gop leadership and the "lamestream media", and offeriing no solutions at all. anybody can do that. anybody can memorize a few zingers and throw them out there for consumption. anyone can go out there and gripe and offer no solutions. that is why the gop is a better minority party. they can sit back and complain and blame the other guy and not have to defend themselves or their record to the public. i found that the boob joke was in poor taste for a party who trumpets conservatism and family values, and the big gulp thing was nothing more than to provoke a reaction. if sarah palin is the future of the gop, the gop has no future.
i did find it telling that she basically committed political suicide by blasting karl rove and the koch brothers. she will never get their support or their money again. and that tells me that she will never run for office again. she can not raise enough money on her own and the kochs and rove's pac will invest many millions just to beat her.
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Umm, yes, they are whores - that I wouldn't disagree with at all (can't see how anyone could), but what is your point?
I'm not sure that I would. I mean... it's just a job. The term "whore" is literally defined as a female prostitute and I only work with men. Although that's kinda splitting hairs.
And most of the performers I work with also just look at porn as a part-time hobby. They don't exchange sex for money off camera and they have control over their scene partners and what they're doing. While it's maybe not something you would personally do.. I would never work as a line chef but that doesn't mean that I think line chefs are whores.
AND...
To "whore one's self out" means to debase one's self by doing something for unworthy motives. And while maybe having sex on camera is something that you would find debasing and unworthy... we're all adults. Nobody is there doing anything that they don't want to do. There isn't - for example - a three year old whose inclusion isn't really his decision.
Just because someone is making money in the porn industry doesn't necessarily mean they are exploiting the workers (not that it doesn't happen, just like in many other industries, and probably more so than usual).
Actually... I saw a lot more drug abuse, sexual harassment, worker exploitation, back-stabbing, shady business practices and all-around lechery when I worked at a corporate purchasing office. You'd be amazed at how corporate and button-down we are behind the scenes.
I say earning money by having sex makes someone a whore (male or female doesn't matter this day and age, does it?). If they do it for free, then no.
I have seen you say that nothing shady goes on as far as you're concerned, but that is your experience, and I believe that it's not going on where you're concerned. However, there IS exploitation in the industry - I've heard about it from the mouths of those who have been exploited in all kinds of terrible ways, as well as from those who try and support the exploited - namely young vulnerable girls. I know nothing as far as the gay porn industry goes. Maybe that is a whole other story... probably.
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I say earning money by having sex makes someone a whore (male or female doesn't matter this day and age, does it?). If they do it for free, then no.
Well... My feeling is that people who will compromise their own selves for money are the whores. But I guess we have a different view of sex and what it is.
Personally, I think that people who work for companies that they are morally opposed to but do it for the money... THOSE are the whores.
However, there IS exploitation in the industry - I've heard about it from the mouths of those who have been exploited in all kinds of terrible ways, as well as from those who try and support the exploited - namely young vulnerable girls.
OK yeah. But there's exploitation in EVERY industry and the porn industry is actually the only one where they women make more than the men. So if anyone is getting exploited....
It's the children who probably made our iphones and the below-minimum wage guy who delivered us pizza last week.
I say earning money by having sex makes someone a whore (male or female doesn't matter this day and age, does it?). If they do it for free, then no.
Well... My feeling is that people who will compromise their own selves for money are the whores. But I guess we have a different view of sex and what it is.
Personally, I think that people who work for companies that they are morally opposed to but do it for the money... THOSE are the whores.
However, there IS exploitation in the industry - I've heard about it from the mouths of those who have been exploited in all kinds of terrible ways, as well as from those who try and support the exploited - namely young vulnerable girls.
OK yeah. But there's exploitation in EVERY industry and the porn industry is actually the only one where they women make more than the men. So if anyone is getting exploited....
It's the children who probably made our iphones and the below-minimum wage guy who delivered us pizza last week.
I think we just have different ideas of what the word "whore" means. not of sex and what it is. When I use the word, it means someone who takes money for sex. That's it. Because that's what the word means. The word doesn't apply to anything else. What you call a whore, I call an asshole with no conscience.
And I'm obviously not claiming that other people in the world aren't exploited. I'm just saying that exploitation IS an issue in the porn industry - a problem that has ruined lives - and it kind of bugs me to see someone from within the industry pretending that it doesn't exist just because it isn't always an issue.
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When I use the word, it means someone who takes money for sex. That's it. Because that's what the word means.
Well... technically, you're talking about an escort or a prostitute. But Ok. it's not a hair worth splitting.
I'm just saying that exploitation IS an issue in the porn industry - a problem that has ruined lives - and it kind of bugs me to see someone from within the industry pretending that it doesn't exist just because it isn't always an issue.
Well... OK but I've worked in the adult industry for well over a decade and while there certainly are stories you hear... those are very much the exception and not the rule.
I saw and still see a LOT more worker exploitation out of the porn industry than I EVER have in it.
I know... I know... I saw Boogie Nights, too. That was a movie. The industry really isn't like what you're lead to believe from seeing it depicted in Mainstream movies and TV shows. And Fox news, John Stosel reports and stories you hear on CSPAN.
I mean... my doctor was a porn star. So was my lawyer and the guy who sold me my house up in San Francisco. And my best friend who now works at NASA on one of the Mars lander projects. But we seem to have gotten away from Sarah Palin making an ass of herself at CPAC so I guess next time I should just call Bristol Palin "a shitty mother who exploits her child and shames herself for cash."
When I use the word, it means someone who takes money for sex. That's it. Because that's what the word means.
Well... technically, you're talking about an escort or a prostitute. But Ok. it's not a hair worth splitting.
I'm just saying that exploitation IS an issue in the porn industry - a problem that has ruined lives - and it kind of bugs me to see someone from within the industry pretending that it doesn't exist just because it isn't always an issue.
Well... OK but I've worked in the adult industry for well over a decade and while there certainly are stories you hear... those are very much the exception and not the rule.
I saw and still see a LOT more worker exploitation out of the porn industry than I EVER have in it.
I know... I know... I saw Boogie Nights, too. That was a movie. The industry really isn't like what you're lead to believe from seeing it depicted in Mainstream movies and TV shows. And Fox news, John Stosel reports and stories you hear on CSPAN.
I mean... my doctor was a porn star. So was my lawyer and the guy who sold me my house up in San Francisco. And my best friend who now works at NASA on one of the Mars lander projects. But we seem to have gotten away from Sarah Palin making an ass of herself at CPAC so I guess next time I should just call Bristol Palin "a shitty mother who exploits her child and shames herself for cash."
Screwing for cash and Making money off people screwing for cash is much worse. If it was not, why do people hide the fact that they do it.
Just because you hate her does not make her a bad Mother.
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Screwing for cash and Making money off people screwing for cash is much worse. If it was not, why do people hide the fact that they do it.
Because people like you have that attitude. Until they pay for porn, of course.
Maybe YOU can tell me why so many people hide that they're paying for it. Everyone seems to say that they don't watch it. But someone does because my paychecks don't bounce.
Just because you hate her does not make her a bad Mother.
That's very true. But I'd say when your mothering skills include using your child to secure reality show deals, that's probably high in the "bad" column.
Palin to Porn. I actually followed most of it.
Actually have a 50/50 agree/disagree split going on with a Princes OD on it all
& I would indulge this thread except I have not one emotion toward one Palin & as for porn, I've got nothing. Zilch. Nada. Except...maybe now's a good time to ask if there really is such a thing as a good porn show & if so, what's it called? Maybe I'd give it one more try....
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the Palins are an embarassing disaster. until her and Tina Fey, I've never watched a real person talk and think that the person who mocks them on tv is actually better at it than they are.
That is totally true!
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Bristol Palin doesn't go to political events. She isn't a politician. She's reality show star and spokesperson for abstinence.
Which.... can you imagine how fucked up it must be that your mother's part time job is to point at you and say "don't make the mistakes I made..." while telling kids about the bad things that happen when you have sex?
Bristol Palin goes to Dance Competitions and Bars in West Hollywood with mechanical bulls.
What do you think the kid learned while mom was on the mechanical bull in Weho.
Bristol Palin isn't a politician. She's a reality show star and teen abstinence spokesmodel.
That's because their father is the president and he doesn't really haul them out in public at every opportunity to make money by posing for pictures with them. And he's never used them as proof that getting laid when you're 16 is a bad thing.
Again, I get the hypocrisy thing...but a whore? Slut?
And what's with the fixation on riding a bull making one a slut?
These are some strange stretches.
I guess you would know a whore if you saw one being a Pornographer. Exploiting whores.
In and of itself... it doesn't. My point with the mechanical bull wasn't about that it was that she isn't a politician, she's a reality show star.
The "Whore" comes from her willingness to cash in on her fame by doing pretty much anything for a buck. Condom commercials to speaking tours about abstinence, shameless moments like the mechanical bull to posing in a graduation gown and cap while holding the baby for a $200,000 fee on the cover of people magazine.
Um... ok. Although I would submit that the well-paid performers in movies I direct are a bit different than Bristol Palin's three year-old son. They choose to be there, they get paid well and aren't forced into doing anything for the profit of someone else.
So there's no "exploiting" there.
While I guess you can call the performers in adult movies "whores," I'm not totally in agreement. I don't see the same willingness to do just about anything for fame and money from guys like Francois Sagat. He'd never make a condom commercial and then do a speaking tour telling people to not have sex while promoting his new movie in which he has sex... for instance.
But I'm glad that you agree that if anyone knows a whore when he sees one... it would be me.
I don't agree with calling Bristol Palin a whore, but can't agree with you accusing someone of exploiting employees unless you have proof.
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I'm not sure that I would. I mean... it's just a job. The term "whore" is literally defined as a female prostitute and I only work with men. Although that's kinda splitting hairs.
And most of the performers I work with also just look at porn as a part-time hobby. They don't exchange sex for money off camera and they have control over their scene partners and what they're doing. While it's maybe not something you would personally do.. I would never work as a line chef but that doesn't mean that I think line chefs are whores.
AND...
To "whore one's self out" means to debase one's self by doing something for unworthy motives. And while maybe having sex on camera is something that you would find debasing and unworthy... we're all adults. Nobody is there doing anything that they don't want to do. There isn't - for example - a three year old whose inclusion isn't really his decision.
Actually... I saw a lot more drug abuse, sexual harassment, worker exploitation, back-stabbing, shady business practices and all-around lechery when I worked at a corporate purchasing office. You'd be amazed at how corporate and button-down we are behind the scenes.
Um... I don't think "Self-Proclaimed" means what you think it means.
Because I've never heard the first lady or anyone call themselves that.
I just hear people on the extreme right whining about the Hollywood Elite. Which I don't really get.
i did find it telling that she basically committed political suicide by blasting karl rove and the koch brothers. she will never get their support or their money again. and that tells me that she will never run for office again. she can not raise enough money on her own and the kochs and rove's pac will invest many millions just to beat her.
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I have seen you say that nothing shady goes on as far as you're concerned, but that is your experience, and I believe that it's not going on where you're concerned. However, there IS exploitation in the industry - I've heard about it from the mouths of those who have been exploited in all kinds of terrible ways, as well as from those who try and support the exploited - namely young vulnerable girls. I know nothing as far as the gay porn industry goes. Maybe that is a whole other story... probably.
Well... My feeling is that people who will compromise their own selves for money are the whores. But I guess we have a different view of sex and what it is.
Personally, I think that people who work for companies that they are morally opposed to but do it for the money... THOSE are the whores.
OK yeah. But there's exploitation in EVERY industry and the porn industry is actually the only one where they women make more than the men. So if anyone is getting exploited....
It's the children who probably made our iphones and the below-minimum wage guy who delivered us pizza last week.
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And I'm obviously not claiming that other people in the world aren't exploited. I'm just saying that exploitation IS an issue in the porn industry - a problem that has ruined lives - and it kind of bugs me to see someone from within the industry pretending that it doesn't exist just because it isn't always an issue.
Well... technically, you're talking about an escort or a prostitute. But Ok. it's not a hair worth splitting.
Well... OK but I've worked in the adult industry for well over a decade and while there certainly are stories you hear... those are very much the exception and not the rule.
I saw and still see a LOT more worker exploitation out of the porn industry than I EVER have in it.
I know... I know... I saw Boogie Nights, too. That was a movie. The industry really isn't like what you're lead to believe from seeing it depicted in Mainstream movies and TV shows. And Fox news, John Stosel reports and stories you hear on CSPAN.
I mean... my doctor was a porn star. So was my lawyer and the guy who sold me my house up in San Francisco. And my best friend who now works at NASA on one of the Mars lander projects. But we seem to have gotten away from Sarah Palin making an ass of herself at CPAC so I guess next time I should just call Bristol Palin "a shitty mother who exploits her child and shames herself for cash."
Screwing for cash and Making money off people screwing for cash is much worse. If it was not, why do people hide the fact that they do it.
Just because you hate her does not make her a bad Mother.
Because people like you have that attitude. Until they pay for porn, of course.
Maybe YOU can tell me why so many people hide that they're paying for it. Everyone seems to say that they don't watch it. But someone does because my paychecks don't bounce.
That's very true. But I'd say when your mothering skills include using your child to secure reality show deals, that's probably high in the "bad" column.
Anyway, everyone judges. We're all entitled to, too.
Yes. They do. And hey... judge away.
Clearly it's not something I hesitate to do when I think it's warranted and obviously not anything that I allow to bother me.
All four sentences.
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Can I just thank you for making me the "boy" in that last bit? :twisted:
Actually have a 50/50 agree/disagree split going on with a Princes OD on it all
& I would indulge this thread except I have not one emotion toward one Palin & as for porn, I've got nothing. Zilch. Nada. Except...maybe now's a good time to ask if there really is such a thing as a good porn show & if so, what's it called? Maybe I'd give it one more try....
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