Argo....

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Jeanwah wrote:

Wow, leaving out a detail and the whole movie is skewed. :roll: since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be. (Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie) Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).

I know I don't feel "inadequate" about the whole situation. But it seems that the whole world has to verse the stupid states that world history is not only theirs and their told version of it. How many American meatheads are going to think this is real. Shows from some comments on this thread.
YOU KNOW WHY YOU DON'T RUN CANADA, BECAUSE YOU DID NOT WIN THE WAR OF 1812! What is your take on it?????? :?

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

Wow, leaving out a detail and the whole movie is skewed. :roll: since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be. (Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie) Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).

wow ... should i respond and say that your part american nature is so jingoistic that you want to believe everything that makes it american!?? ... don't be silly here ...

no one gives a shit about the movie ... it's just not historically accurate ... why start acting all defensive and accusing people based on nothing ... that's all we're saying ...

sheesh ...

pjl44

I think the reason for Carter's quote and the postscript of credit to Canada is because we essentially get fast-forwarded two months after the Americans escape. For a two hour movie they chose to focus on the fake film because it's an interesting story for a broad audience. My takeaway was that the film is mostly historically accurate with some embellishment, but the credit for the mission can be disproportionately interpreted based on how the story was told.

Whatever planning and haggling occurred in their first two months of hiding might make for an interesting documentary or book. Not so much for a feature film with a broad release, though.

PJ_Soul

As a Canadian watching the movie right after hearing that some people were complaining about the downplay of Canada's role, I have to admit that i felt embarrassed that Canadians were whining about it.

Prince Of Dorkness

Jeanwah wrote:

since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be.

Well... no. We're maybe just a bit tired of Americans either taking credit for the things we've done or just plain pretending they didn't happen. After the first Gulf War, most Americans were totally unaware that Canadians had anything to do with it. It's one of the reasons we flat-out refused to not help with the Bush/Cheney invented war 10 years later.

(Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie)

My mother is also from Newfoundland and if I referred to her as a "newfie," she punch me in the face. Calling a Newfoundlander a "newfie" is about as polite as calling a Polish man a "Pollack."

Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).

And again... when Americans will stop insisting that they're the "greatest country in the world," maybe people from other countries won't bristle as much when Americans tell them "you've had enough praise... let's hear it for us."

The Juggler

argo fuck yourself.

The Juggler

norm wrote:

i always wonder why people chose to ignore 'based on a true story' when watching a movie :?

bingo

Jeanwah

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be.

Well... no. We're maybe just a bit tired of Americans either taking credit for the things we've done or just plain pretending they didn't happen. After the first Gulf War, most Americans were totally unaware that Canadians had anything to do with it. It's one of the reasons we flat-out refused to not help with the Bush/Cheney invented war 10 years later.

(Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie)

My mother is also from Newfoundland and if I referred to her as a "newfie," she punch me in the face. Calling a Newfoundlander a "newfie" is about as polite as calling a Polish man a "Pollack."

Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).

And again... when Americans will stop insisting that they're the "greatest country in the world," maybe people from other countries won't bristle as much when Americans tell them "you've had enough praise... let's hear it for us."

Eh, some people think the "Goofy Newfie" label is derogatory, my mother laughs at it. Probably because her and her sisters really are goofy (and a lot of fun). I know the "typical American" think that their country is the greatest, but come on, you can't even give credit to another country without a lot of whining. I said in another post how great it is that Canada and the US worked together in this mission, without violence, and you still get people to negatively crack at the whole thing. You just can't please some people. Ever.

PJ_Soul

I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.

I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.

Prince Of Dorkness

PJ_Soul wrote:

I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.

I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.

I honestly don't see that inferiority complex.

While I agree that making a huge deal about the movie is a bit pointless, it does get a bit annoying that Americans know absolutely nothing about our country.

PJ_Soul

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.

I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.

I honestly don't see that inferiority complex.

While I agree that making a huge deal about the movie is a bit pointless, it does get a bit annoying that Americans know absolutely nothing about our country.

I guess.... I personally don't care at all if they know about our country. What difference does it make? Americans don't really know much about any country but their own, so I don't expect them to know anything about ours. I kind of see this desire of Canadians for Americans to pay more attention to Canada or know more about us as one of the main symptom of their inferiority complex (the other ones are being crazy worried about what the rest of the world will think of us when something happens here, when in fact the rest of the world really doesn't care, and the Canadian tendency to be american bashers). Even the government suffers from it (except for the bashing part - they grovel and suck up instead of bash). And I also think many are in denial about it. But for crying out loud, they put out TV ads all the time that are literally ads for Canada, trying to make us all feel great about our country. That is fucking weird!

lukin2006

Wanting the facts to be accurate in what was suppose to be a factually based movie has absolutely nothing to do with "Canadians being insecure", really haven't seen 1 post here that indicates Canadians are insecure. Absolutely nothing wrong with Canadians or anyone for that matter correcting the facts.

And a fellow I know from Newfoudland has stated the Newfie is considered derogatory term unless used by folks who live on the rock. Maybe there is someone from The Rock who could clear this up ...

The Juggler

you crazy canadiens are always up to something up there. i don't trust any of you...

pjl44

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.

I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.

I honestly don't see that inferiority complex.

While I agree that making a huge deal about the movie is a bit pointless, it does get a bit annoying that Americans know absolutely nothing about our country.

Ironically, the latter part of your second sentence would help to shine light on that inferiority complex. I'm American and couldn't possibly care less how much or little someone from another country knows or understands mine.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 wrote:

Wanting the facts to be accurate in what was suppose to be a factually based movie has absolutely nothing to do with "Canadians being insecure", really haven't seen 1 post here that indicates Canadians are insecure. Absolutely nothing wrong with Canadians or anyone for that matter correcting the facts.

And a fellow I know from Newfoudland has stated the Newfie is considered derogatory term unless used by folks who live on the rock. Maybe there is someone from The Rock who could clear this up ...

I am obviously not basing what I'm saying solely on what's being said in this thread, but do still very much believe that Cdns are insecure in this way (see it all the time as a Cdn), and do think that this Cdn reaction to Argo is exactly that.

The movie mentioned the Cdns a lot, but also the movie is based on true events. It's not a documentary. The Americans who made it have no responsibity to further highlight Canada's role (even though they did make it part of the story). The whole POINT of the film is to tell the story of this American man and other Americans who did this thing during the crisis that no one at the time knew about. To further highlight the Canadian story would take away from the story they are trying to tell. So why are some Cdns getting their panties in a twist because they don't feel like they got enough positive reinforcement? All of my experience as a Canadian among Canadians tells me it's because the Canadian inferiority complex raising its ugly head.

PJ_Soul

pjl44 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.

I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.

I honestly don't see that inferiority complex.

While I agree that making a huge deal about the movie is a bit pointless, it does get a bit annoying that Americans know absolutely nothing about our country.

Ironically, the latter part of your second sentence would help to shine light on that inferiority complex. I'm American and couldn't possibly care less how much or little someone from another country knows or understands mine.

Exactly. But Canadian crave such attention, and yearn for those in other nations to acknowledge Canada's role in the world, and their feelings get hurt when that doesn't happen when they feel it should. It's very Canadian. And I find it pretty lame. I love Canada and being Canadian for the most part, but this aspect I find annoying and wish Canadians would get off of that mindset.

Anyway, I though Argo was pretty good! Except for that Doubting Thomas with the huge mustache. I wanted to slap him upside the head.