I really liked Argo and how they tried to stick to (mostly) facts with typical drama thrown in. I don't have much interest in Lincoln since I learned it in history class, and I know how it ends.
I don't think Les Miserables' had to be 3 hours long either, but it was quite good too (if you're into musicals).
uhh ... i think some of the posts here indicate that it wasn't mostly fact ... in the movie - it appears that the CIA specifically this mendez guy comes up with the idea ... it wasn't true ... it was a canadian designed and led operation with cia support ...
It was mostly fact. Other than this, what the Canadian Ambassador said of the film; "He felt the role that he and other Canadians played in helping the Americans to freedom was minimized in the film", the movie was factual. More credit should have gone to Canada and doesn't make Affleck look as good, but it doesn't and shouldn't take away from the fact that what happened, happened.
It was mostly fact. Other than this, what the Canadian Ambassador said of the film; "He felt the role that he and other Canadians played in helping the Americans to freedom was minimized in the film", the movie was factual. More credit should have gone to Canada and doesn't make Affleck look as good, but it doesn't and shouldn't take away from the fact that what happened, happened.
Jimmy Carter, the American President at the time of the hostage crisis, echoed Harris’s viewpoint. While receiving an honorary degree at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, Carter took issue with the film. In his acceptance speech, Carter said, “I saw the movie Argo recently. I was taken aback by its distortion of what happened. Because almost everything that was heroic or courageous or innovative was done by Canada, and not the United States.”
edit: i will add also the portrayal of the iranian people at the time was also a major dramatization ... my friend's father (who was iranian) was there at the time and he despised all the inaccuracies in the film ...
Jimmy Carter, the American President at the time of the hostage crisis, echoed Harris’s viewpoint. While receiving an honorary degree at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, Carter took issue with the film. In his acceptance speech, Carter said, “I saw the movie Argo recently. I was taken aback by its distortion of what happened. Because almost everything that was heroic or courageous or innovative was done by Canada, and not the United States.”
edit: i will add also the portrayal of the iranian people at the time was also a major dramatization ... my friend's father (who was iranian) was there at the time and he despised all the inaccuracies in the film ...
From your first link about Carter:
Star and director Ben Affleck even added a postscript to the film, after speaking to Taylor about his grievances, to clarify America's efforts:
"The involvement of the CIA complemented efforts of the Canadian embassy to free the six held in Tehran. To this day the story stands as an enduring model of international co-operation between governments."
From a Mendez interview (link below, at 7:00 mark):
Interviewer: "So, when it happened, everyone assumed it was a Canadian Intelligence Operation that had worked."
Mendez: "Exactly, that was exactly our goal."
Interviewer: "Because you didn't want there to be any further reprisals against American hostages."
Mendez: "Exactly, yep."
And who really cares! The basis of the film was about 2 countries working together, without violence, to bring these diplomats back home. And it succeeded. There really was a fictional movie idea made called Argo, in diverting Iran to get these diplomats out of there. So I don't know why we need to argue about a film's finer details of being absolute. The basis is what matters, the story is incredible and yes Canada gets much of the credit! The bigger story is true, some details to the film are not!
And who really cares! The basis of the film was about 2 countries working together, without violence, to bring these diplomats back home. And it succeeded. There really was a fictional movie idea made called Argo, in diverting Iran to get these diplomats out of there. So I don't know why we need to argue about a film's credentials of being absolute. The basis is what matters, the story is incredible and yes Canada gets much of the credit! The bigger story is true, some details to the film are not!
i'm not really arguing ... you said the movie was mostly fact ... i'm just pointing out that it wasn't ... even if you take out who's idea it was ... there was so much liberal interpretation - it's loosely based on facts at best ...
i really could care less either way as i've stated before ...
what i most kinda shocked about is that the prologue that talked about the cia invasion of iran is largely ignored ... especially now when israel calls for war against iran and we know that means US war with iran ... an iran that is extremist because of the US and more likely to go even further extreme with military intervention ...
It was a Hollywood movie. America even won the Vietnam War in Hollywood. Gotta feel good about yourselves down there.
Hollywood's all about illusion, dontcha know
Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:
How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?
I've seen it ... How can you base a movie on actual events when you leave out John Sheardon, who took the initial call and housed 4 Americans for something like 79 days? So basically from almost the get go of the movie key facts are left out.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:
How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?
I've seen it ... How can you base a movie on actual events when you leave out John Sheardon, who took the initial call and housed 4 Americans for something like 79 days? So basically from almost the get go of the movie key facts are left out.
Wow, leaving out a detail and the whole movie is skewed. :roll: since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be. (Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie) Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).
That's not the only detail left out of the movie ... But without John saying yes the outcome might have been different. A little research will show just how many key facts were left out.
Another key fact is the CIA messed up the date on the VISA and had the Americans leaving before they arrived ... A Canadian who spoke the language picked up on that little mistake.
It's just not very factual. We were not asking for thanks, just credit ... And we got credit from President Carter, him stating it was 90% Canadian is plenty credit.
But if you want to skew the details and believe they were minor you should maybe do a little more research on the matter.
Plenty of written material stating it is just not factual.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Wow, leaving out a detail and the whole movie is skewed. :roll: since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be. (Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie) Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).
I know I don't feel "inadequate" about the whole situation. But it seems that the whole world has to verse the stupid states that world history is not only theirs and their told version of it. How many American meatheads are going to think this is real. Shows from some comments on this thread.
YOU KNOW WHY YOU DON'T RUN CANADA, BECAUSE YOU DID NOT WIN THE WAR OF 1812! What is your take on it?????? :?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
Wow, leaving out a detail and the whole movie is skewed. :roll: since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be. (Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie) Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).
wow ... should i respond and say that your part american nature is so jingoistic that you want to believe everything that makes it american!?? ... don't be silly here ...
no one gives a shit about the movie ... it's just not historically accurate ... why start acting all defensive and accusing people based on nothing ... that's all we're saying ...
I think the reason for Carter's quote and the postscript of credit to Canada is because we essentially get fast-forwarded two months after the Americans escape. For a two hour movie they chose to focus on the fake film because it's an interesting story for a broad audience. My takeaway was that the film is mostly historically accurate with some embellishment, but the credit for the mission can be disproportionately interpreted based on how the story was told.
Whatever planning and haggling occurred in their first two months of hiding might make for an interesting documentary or book. Not so much for a feature film with a broad release, though.
As a Canadian watching the movie right after hearing that some people were complaining about the downplay of Canada's role, I have to admit that i felt embarrassed that Canadians were whining about it.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be.
Well... no. We're maybe just a bit tired of Americans either taking credit for the things we've done or just plain pretending they didn't happen. After the first Gulf War, most Americans were totally unaware that Canadians had anything to do with it. It's one of the reasons we flat-out refused to not help with the Bush/Cheney invented war 10 years later.
(Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie)
My mother is also from Newfoundland and if I referred to her as a "newfie," she punch me in the face. Calling a Newfoundlander a "newfie" is about as polite as calling a Polish man a "Pollack."
Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).
And again... when Americans will stop insisting that they're the "greatest country in the world," maybe people from other countries won't bristle as much when Americans tell them "you've had enough praise... let's hear it for us."
since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be.
Well... no. We're maybe just a bit tired of Americans either taking credit for the things we've done or just plain pretending they didn't happen. After the first Gulf War, most Americans were totally unaware that Canadians had anything to do with it. It's one of the reasons we flat-out refused to not help with the Bush/Cheney invented war 10 years later.
(Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie)
My mother is also from Newfoundland and if I referred to her as a "newfie," she punch me in the face. Calling a Newfoundlander a "newfie" is about as polite as calling a Polish man a "Pollack."
Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).
And again... when Americans will stop insisting that they're the "greatest country in the world," maybe people from other countries won't bristle as much when Americans tell them "you've had enough praise... let's hear it for us."
Eh, some people think the "Goofy Newfie" label is derogatory, my mother laughs at it. Probably because her and her sisters really are goofy (and a lot of fun). I know the "typical American" think that their country is the greatest, but come on, you can't even give credit to another country without a lot of whining. I said in another post how great it is that Canada and the US worked together in this mission, without violence, and you still get people to negatively crack at the whole thing. You just can't please some people. Ever.
I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.
I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.
I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.
I honestly don't see that inferiority complex.
While I agree that making a huge deal about the movie is a bit pointless, it does get a bit annoying that Americans know absolutely nothing about our country.
I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.
I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.
I honestly don't see that inferiority complex.
While I agree that making a huge deal about the movie is a bit pointless, it does get a bit annoying that Americans know absolutely nothing about our country.
I guess.... I personally don't care at all if they know about our country. What difference does it make? Americans don't really know much about any country but their own, so I don't expect them to know anything about ours. I kind of see this desire of Canadians for Americans to pay more attention to Canada or know more about us as one of the main symptom of their inferiority complex (the other ones are being crazy worried about what the rest of the world will think of us when something happens here, when in fact the rest of the world really doesn't care, and the Canadian tendency to be american bashers). Even the government suffers from it (except for the bashing part - they grovel and suck up instead of bash). And I also think many are in denial about it. But for crying out loud, they put out TV ads all the time that are literally ads for Canada, trying to make us all feel great about our country. That is fucking weird!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Wanting the facts to be accurate in what was suppose to be a factually based movie has absolutely nothing to do with "Canadians being insecure", really haven't seen 1 post here that indicates Canadians are insecure. Absolutely nothing wrong with Canadians or anyone for that matter correcting the facts.
And a fellow I know from Newfoudland has stated the Newfie is considered derogatory term unless used by folks who live on the rock. Maybe there is someone from The Rock who could clear this up ...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.
I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.
I honestly don't see that inferiority complex.
While I agree that making a huge deal about the movie is a bit pointless, it does get a bit annoying that Americans know absolutely nothing about our country.
Ironically, the latter part of your second sentence would help to shine light on that inferiority complex. I'm American and couldn't possibly care less how much or little someone from another country knows or understands mine.
Wanting the facts to be accurate in what was suppose to be a factually based movie has absolutely nothing to do with "Canadians being insecure", really haven't seen 1 post here that indicates Canadians are insecure. Absolutely nothing wrong with Canadians or anyone for that matter correcting the facts.
And a fellow I know from Newfoudland has stated the Newfie is considered derogatory term unless used by folks who live on the rock. Maybe there is someone from The Rock who could clear this up ...
I am obviously not basing what I'm saying solely on what's being said in this thread, but do still very much believe that Cdns are insecure in this way (see it all the time as a Cdn), and do think that this Cdn reaction to Argo is exactly that.
The movie mentioned the Cdns a lot, but also the movie is based on true events. It's not a documentary. The Americans who made it have no responsibity to further highlight Canada's role (even though they did make it part of the story). The whole POINT of the film is to tell the story of this American man and other Americans who did this thing during the crisis that no one at the time knew about. To further highlight the Canadian story would take away from the story they are trying to tell. So why are some Cdns getting their panties in a twist because they don't feel like they got enough positive reinforcement? All of my experience as a Canadian among Canadians tells me it's because the Canadian inferiority complex raising its ugly head.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have known several Newfoundlanders who called themselves Newfies.
I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.
I honestly don't see that inferiority complex.
While I agree that making a huge deal about the movie is a bit pointless, it does get a bit annoying that Americans know absolutely nothing about our country.
Ironically, the latter part of your second sentence would help to shine light on that inferiority complex. I'm American and couldn't possibly care less how much or little someone from another country knows or understands mine.
Exactly. But Canadian crave such attention, and yearn for those in other nations to acknowledge Canada's role in the world, and their feelings get hurt when that doesn't happen when they feel it should. It's very Canadian. And I find it pretty lame. I love Canada and being Canadian for the most part, but this aspect I find annoying and wish Canadians would get off of that mindset.
Anyway, I though Argo was pretty good! Except for that Doubting Thomas with the huge mustache. I wanted to slap him upside the head.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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It was mostly fact. Other than this, what the Canadian Ambassador said of the film; "He felt the role that he and other Canadians played in helping the Americans to freedom was minimized in the film", the movie was factual. More credit should have gone to Canada and doesn't make Affleck look as good, but it doesn't and shouldn't take away from the fact that what happened, happened.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... ecks-argo/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575 ... ars%202013
http://news.moviefone.ca/2013/02/22/jim ... 44219.html
Jimmy Carter, the American President at the time of the hostage crisis, echoed Harris’s viewpoint. While receiving an honorary degree at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, Carter took issue with the film. In his acceptance speech, Carter said, “I saw the movie Argo recently. I was taken aback by its distortion of what happened. Because almost everything that was heroic or courageous or innovative was done by Canada, and not the United States.”
edit: i will add also the portrayal of the iranian people at the time was also a major dramatization ... my friend's father (who was iranian) was there at the time and he despised all the inaccuracies in the film ...
Based could swing from the only true fact is that it was filmed in Iran to the whole story being true. And all the grey matter in between.
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
From your first link about Carter:
From a Mendez interview (link below, at 7:00 mark):
Interviewer: "So, when it happened, everyone assumed it was a Canadian Intelligence Operation that had worked."
Mendez: "Exactly, that was exactly our goal."
Interviewer: "Because you didn't want there to be any further reprisals against American hostages."
Mendez: "Exactly, yep."
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com ... go-on-gps/
So, who is right, here?
And who really cares! The basis of the film was about 2 countries working together, without violence, to bring these diplomats back home. And it succeeded. There really was a fictional movie idea made called Argo, in diverting Iran to get these diplomats out of there. So I don't know why we need to argue about a film's finer details of being absolute. The basis is what matters, the story is incredible and yes Canada gets much of the credit! The bigger story is true, some details to the film are not!
i'm not really arguing ... you said the movie was mostly fact ... i'm just pointing out that it wasn't ... even if you take out who's idea it was ... there was so much liberal interpretation - it's loosely based on facts at best ...
i really could care less either way as i've stated before ...
what i most kinda shocked about is that the prologue that talked about the cia invasion of iran is largely ignored ... especially now when israel calls for war against iran and we know that means US war with iran ... an iran that is extremist because of the US and more likely to go even further extreme with military intervention ...
I've seen it ... How can you base a movie on actual events when you leave out John Sheardon, who took the initial call and housed 4 Americans for something like 79 days? So basically from almost the get go of the movie key facts are left out.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Wow, leaving out a detail and the whole movie is skewed. :roll: since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be. (Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie) Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).
Another key fact is the CIA messed up the date on the VISA and had the Americans leaving before they arrived ... A Canadian who spoke the language picked up on that little mistake.
It's just not very factual. We were not asking for thanks, just credit ... And we got credit from President Carter, him stating it was 90% Canadian is plenty credit.
But if you want to skew the details and believe they were minor you should maybe do a little more research on the matter.
Plenty of written material stating it is just not factual.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I know I don't feel "inadequate" about the whole situation. But it seems that the whole world has to verse the stupid states that world history is not only theirs and their told version of it. How many American meatheads are going to think this is real. Shows from some comments on this thread.
YOU KNOW WHY YOU DON'T RUN CANADA, BECAUSE YOU DID NOT WIN THE WAR OF 1812! What is your take on it?????? :?
The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
wow ... should i respond and say that your part american nature is so jingoistic that you want to believe everything that makes it american!?? ... don't be silly here ...
no one gives a shit about the movie ... it's just not historically accurate ... why start acting all defensive and accusing people based on nothing ... that's all we're saying ...
sheesh ...
Whatever planning and haggling occurred in their first two months of hiding might make for an interesting documentary or book. Not so much for a feature film with a broad release, though.
Well... no. We're maybe just a bit tired of Americans either taking credit for the things we've done or just plain pretending they didn't happen. After the first Gulf War, most Americans were totally unaware that Canadians had anything to do with it. It's one of the reasons we flat-out refused to not help with the Bush/Cheney invented war 10 years later.
My mother is also from Newfoundland and if I referred to her as a "newfie," she punch me in the face. Calling a Newfoundlander a "newfie" is about as polite as calling a Polish man a "Pollack."
And again... when Americans will stop insisting that they're the "greatest country in the world," maybe people from other countries won't bristle as much when Americans tell them "you've had enough praise... let's hear it for us."
bingo
Eh, some people think the "Goofy Newfie" label is derogatory, my mother laughs at it. Probably because her and her sisters really are goofy (and a lot of fun). I know the "typical American" think that their country is the greatest, but come on, you can't even give credit to another country without a lot of whining. I said in another post how great it is that Canada and the US worked together in this mission, without violence, and you still get people to negatively crack at the whole thing. You just can't please some people. Ever.
I totally agree that those Canadians complaining about this movie do so because they are caught up in the humiliating Canadian tendency to want positive attention from america - some canadians have a total inferiority complex in this context and it is just SO stupid.
I honestly don't see that inferiority complex.
While I agree that making a huge deal about the movie is a bit pointless, it does get a bit annoying that Americans know absolutely nothing about our country.
And a fellow I know from Newfoudland has stated the Newfie is considered derogatory term unless used by folks who live on the rock. Maybe there is someone from The Rock who could clear this up ...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Ironically, the latter part of your second sentence would help to shine light on that inferiority complex. I'm American and couldn't possibly care less how much or little someone from another country knows or understands mine.
The movie mentioned the Cdns a lot, but also the movie is based on true events. It's not a documentary. The Americans who made it have no responsibity to further highlight Canada's role (even though they did make it part of the story). The whole POINT of the film is to tell the story of this American man and other Americans who did this thing during the crisis that no one at the time knew about. To further highlight the Canadian story would take away from the story they are trying to tell. So why are some Cdns getting their panties in a twist because they don't feel like they got enough positive reinforcement? All of my experience as a Canadian among Canadians tells me it's because the Canadian inferiority complex raising its ugly head.
Anyway, I though Argo was pretty good!