Argo....

Jeanwah

hedonist wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

There are facts left out through out the movie ... The biggest fact left out was that an Canadian Diplomate John Sheardown received the initial call and he housed 4 Americans.

he he

It was a Hollywood movie. America even won the Vietnam War in Hollywood. Gotta feel good about yourselves down there.

Hollywood's all about illusion, dontcha know

Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?

hedonist

Jeanwah wrote:

Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?

To be fair, I was poking fun at Hollywood itself - the narcisissm, imagery, hypocrisy, etc. - the (not-so-grand) illusion.

I've heard good things about Argo and the Lincoln film - hope they live up to my expectations when I finally see them.

BinauralJam

CH156378 wrote:

fuck yourself!

this is so much funnier after i watched it

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?

i saw both movies ... argo was a reasonably made movie ... i don't particularly care that they took liberties with the facts ... that's hollywood ... lincoln i thought was way too self-absorbed ... it's like he made a movie overly dramatic to push that oscar thing ... it didn't need to be nearly 3 hrs ... but that's just me ...

even flow - question mark

whgarrett wrote:

You Northerners are hilarious. I thought the movie was about a ridiculous plan to rescue some Americans. That's entertainment. Maybe in the documentary they can focus on what they did while waiting for help. Watching hockey, drinking tea, and knitting.

Close........frying backbacon, drinking beer..............and watching hockey.

Kooooroooookoooookoooookooooo

Jeanwah

hedonist wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?

To be fair, I was poking fun at Hollywood itself - the narcisissm, imagery, hypocrisy, etc. - the (not-so-grand) illusion.

Ok, gotcha.

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?

i saw both movies ... argo was a reasonably made movie ... i don't particularly care that they took liberties with the facts ... that's hollywood ... lincoln i thought was way too self-absorbed ... it's like he made a movie overly dramatic to push that oscar thing ... it didn't need to be nearly 3 hrs ... but that's just me ...

I really liked Argo and how they tried to stick to (mostly) facts with typical drama thrown in. I don't have much interest in Lincoln since I learned it in history class, and I know how it ends.

I don't think Les Miserables' had to be 3 hours long either, but it was quite good too (if you're into musicals).

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

I really liked Argo and how they tried to stick to (mostly) facts with typical drama thrown in. I don't have much interest in Lincoln since I learned it in history class, and I know how it ends.

I don't think Les Miserables' had to be 3 hours long either, but it was quite good too (if you're into musicals).

uhh ... i think some of the posts here indicate that it wasn't mostly fact ... in the movie - it appears that the CIA specifically this mendez guy comes up with the idea ... it wasn't true ... it was a canadian designed and led operation with cia support ...

as for les mis - you can't cut that unless you actually cut songs from the musical or speed up the songs ...

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I really liked Argo and how they tried to stick to (mostly) facts with typical drama thrown in. I don't have much interest in Lincoln since I learned it in history class, and I know how it ends.

I don't think Les Miserables' had to be 3 hours long either, but it was quite good too (if you're into musicals).

uhh ... i think some of the posts here indicate that it wasn't mostly fact ... in the movie - it appears that the CIA specifically this mendez guy comes up with the idea ... it wasn't true ... it was a canadian designed and led operation with cia support ...

as for les mis - you can't cut that unless you actually cut songs from the musical or speed up the songs ...

So you're going to assume that a Slate blog stated it, so it must be true?

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

So you're going to assume that a Slate blog stated it, so it must be true?

hahaha ...

no, it's called history ... even Carter admitted as much ...

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I really liked Argo and how they tried to stick to (mostly) facts with typical drama thrown in. I don't have much interest in Lincoln since I learned it in history class, and I know how it ends.

I don't think Les Miserables' had to be 3 hours long either, but it was quite good too (if you're into musicals).

uhh ... i think some of the posts here indicate that it wasn't mostly fact ... in the movie - it appears that the CIA specifically this mendez guy comes up with the idea ... it wasn't true ... it was a canadian designed and led operation with cia support ...

It was mostly fact. Other than this, what the Canadian Ambassador said of the film; "He felt the role that he and other Canadians played in helping the Americans to freedom was minimized in the film", the movie was factual. More credit should have gone to Canada and doesn't make Affleck look as good, but it doesn't and shouldn't take away from the fact that what happened, happened.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... ecks-argo/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575 ... ars%202013

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

It was mostly fact. Other than this, what the Canadian Ambassador said of the film; "He felt the role that he and other Canadians played in helping the Americans to freedom was minimized in the film", the movie was factual. More credit should have gone to Canada and doesn't make Affleck look as good, but it doesn't and shouldn't take away from the fact that what happened, happened.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... ecks-argo/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575 ... ars%202013

http://news.moviefone.ca/2013/02/22/jim ... 44219.html

polaris_x

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=65881

Jimmy Carter, the American President at the time of the hostage crisis, echoed Harris’s viewpoint. While receiving an honorary degree at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, Carter took issue with the film. In his acceptance speech, Carter said, “I saw the movie Argo recently. I was taken aback by its distortion of what happened. Because almost everything that was heroic or courageous or innovative was done by Canada, and not the United States.”

edit: i will add also the portrayal of the iranian people at the time was also a major dramatization ... my friend's father (who was iranian) was there at the time and he despised all the inaccuracies in the film ...

norm

i always wonder why people chose to ignore 'based on a true story' when watching a movie :?

even flow - question mark

norm wrote:

i always wonder why people chose to ignore 'based on a true story' when watching a movie :?

Based could swing from the only true fact is that it was filmed in Iran to the whole story being true. And all the grey matter in between.

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=65881

Jimmy Carter, the American President at the time of the hostage crisis, echoed Harris’s viewpoint. While receiving an honorary degree at Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, Carter took issue with the film. In his acceptance speech, Carter said, “I saw the movie Argo recently. I was taken aback by its distortion of what happened. Because almost everything that was heroic or courageous or innovative was done by Canada, and not the United States.”

edit: i will add also the portrayal of the iranian people at the time was also a major dramatization ... my friend's father (who was iranian) was there at the time and he despised all the inaccuracies in the film ...

From your first link about Carter:

Star and director Ben Affleck even added a postscript to the film, after speaking to Taylor about his grievances, to clarify America's efforts:

"The involvement of the CIA complemented efforts of the Canadian embassy to free the six held in Tehran. To this day the story stands as an enduring model of international co-operation between governments."

From a Mendez interview (link below, at 7:00 mark):

Interviewer: "So, when it happened, everyone assumed it was a Canadian Intelligence Operation that had worked."
Mendez: "Exactly, that was exactly our goal."
Interviewer: "Because you didn't want there to be any further reprisals against American hostages."
Mendez: "Exactly, yep."

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com ... go-on-gps/

So, who is right, here?

And who really cares! The basis of the film was about 2 countries working together, without violence, to bring these diplomats back home. And it succeeded. There really was a fictional movie idea made called Argo, in diverting Iran to get these diplomats out of there. So I don't know why we need to argue about a film's finer details of being absolute. The basis is what matters, the story is incredible and yes Canada gets much of the credit! The bigger story is true, some details to the film are not!

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

So, who is right, here?

And who really cares! The basis of the film was about 2 countries working together, without violence, to bring these diplomats back home. And it succeeded. There really was a fictional movie idea made called Argo, in diverting Iran to get these diplomats out of there. So I don't know why we need to argue about a film's credentials of being absolute. The basis is what matters, the story is incredible and yes Canada gets much of the credit! The bigger story is true, some details to the film are not!

i'm not really arguing ... you said the movie was mostly fact ... i'm just pointing out that it wasn't ... even if you take out who's idea it was ... there was so much liberal interpretation - it's loosely based on facts at best ...

i really could care less either way as i've stated before ...

what i most kinda shocked about is that the prologue that talked about the cia invasion of iran is largely ignored ... especially now when israel calls for war against iran and we know that means US war with iran ... an iran that is extremist because of the US and more likely to go even further extreme with military intervention ...

lukin2006

Jeanwah wrote:

hedonist wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

he he

It was a Hollywood movie. America even won the Vietnam War in Hollywood. Gotta feel good about yourselves down there.

Hollywood's all about illusion, dontcha know

Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?

I've seen it ... How can you base a movie on actual events when you leave out John Sheardon, who took the initial call and housed 4 Americans for something like 79 days? So basically from almost the get go of the movie key facts are left out.

Jeanwah

lukin2006 wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Hollywood's all about illusion, dontcha know

Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?

I've seen it ... How can you base a movie on actual events when you leave out John Sheardon, who took the initial call and housed 4 Americans for something like 79 days? So basically from almost the get go of the movie key facts are left out.

Wow, leaving out a detail and the whole movie is skewed. :roll: since the Canadians on the boards seemingly have issues with the movie, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that you're all feeling some sort of inadequacy about the entire thing, when you shouldn't be. (Btw, I'm part Canadian, my mom's a Newfie) Too bad that you can't see beyond that to the big picture of it all and the gratitude that the Canadians have publicly already been given (see previous posts).

lukin2006

That's not the only detail left out of the movie ... But without John saying yes the outcome might have been different. A little research will show just how many key facts were left out.

Another key fact is the CIA messed up the date on the VISA and had the Americans leaving before they arrived ... A Canadian who spoke the language picked up on that little mistake.

It's just not very factual. We were not asking for thanks, just credit ... And we got credit from President Carter, him stating it was 90% Canadian is plenty credit.

But if you want to skew the details and believe they were minor you should maybe do a little more research on the matter.

Plenty of written material stating it is just not factual.