Argo....

CH156378CH156378 Posts: 1,539
edited March 2013 in A Moving Train
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Related to Jeanwah's media thread...Yahoo was just highlighting Ben's beard-free face.

    If I were into Twitter, I'd create an account called "Ben's Beard"

    (haven't seen the film so I'm not sure how the laughing fuck-you plays in but I'll tack a few bucks onto PoD's response; works for me)
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    hedonist wrote:
    Related to Jeanwah's media thread...Yahoo was just highlighting Ben's beard-free face.

    If I were into Twitter, I'd create an account called "Ben's Beard"

    (haven't seen the film so I'm not sure how the laughing fuck-you plays in but I'll tack a few bucks onto PoD's response; works for me)

    It's a good film if you just are watching for entertainment purposes, and not trying to get a history lesson. As far as factual, there are many disputing the accuracy of the film, including The Canadian Ambassador and some of the Americans he helped get out of Iran ... So pretty much all the key people :lol::lol:.
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  • In Canada we learned about that in political science AND history class.

    So we were a bit surprised that Americans had totally forgotten about it.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I knew about the regular hostages but I can't remember hearing about the Argo mission.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited February 2013
    unsung wrote:
    I knew about the regular hostages but I can't remember hearing about the Argo mission.

    Because it was a secret mission. Affleck came out and said that the movie details are factual (except the dramatic ending), the story is real. But of course, people are going to say it never happened...
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    hedonist wrote:
    Related to Jeanwah's media thread...Yahoo was just highlighting Ben's beard-free face.

    If I were into Twitter, I'd create an account called "Ben's Beard"

    (haven't seen the film so I'm not sure how the laughing fuck-you plays in but I'll tack a few bucks onto PoD's response; works for me)

    :lol: Great idea. I have a dead Twitter acount, I may have to change my name on it to Ben's Beard. The media also reported that his wife was the one anxious to get it done by bringing in the shears. :roll:
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I thought it was more fiction only based on the 70's hostage taking.
    On the news they showed interviews with a couple of those hostages today.
    They are pushing Congress to allow them
    compensation from businesses who are penalized for violating Iran's embargo.
    Restitution for them and their loved ones.
    Looking forward to the movie maybe ... depends on how much cruelty is involved.

    Side note Ben's beard was hot hot hot ... toasts a tequila shot ...
    here's to seeing it again some day! 8-)
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    pandora wrote:
    I thought it was more fiction only based on the 70's hostage taking.
    On the news they showed interviews with a couple of those hostages today.
    They are pushing Congress to allow them
    compensation from businesses who are penalized for violating Iran's embargo.
    Restitution for them and their loved ones.
    Looking forward to the movie maybe ... depends on how much cruelty is involved.

    Side note Ben's beard was hot hot hot ... toasts a tequila shot ...
    here's to seeing it again some day! 8-)

    The movie's not about the hostages, it's about the 6 American diplomats who got away and escaped to the Canadian Ambassador's house. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-575 ... ars%202013:

    As for Ben's look in the movie, RIP. He looked better in the movie than I've ever thought before.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    unsung wrote:
    I knew about the regular hostages but I can't remember hearing about the Argo mission.
    ...
    I liked the part where Abraham Lincoln snuck into Iran with that tiger and shot Usama bin Laden in the eye.
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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    Cosmo wrote:
    I liked the part where Abraham Lincoln snuck into Iran with that tiger and shot Usama bin Laden in the eye.

    'Spoiler Alert' please next time Cosmo,
  • groovemegrooveme Posts: 353
    Cosmo wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    I knew about the regular hostages but I can't remember hearing about the Argo mission.
    ...
    I liked the part where Abraham Lincoln snuck into Iran with that tiger and shot Usama bin Laden in the eye.

    LOL.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    There are facts left out through out the movie ... The biggest fact left out was that an Canadian Diplomate John Sheardown received the initial call and he housed 4 Americans.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ja ... ans-tehran


    Associated Press
    guardian.co.uk, Sunday 6 January 2013 15.02 GMT

    John Sheardown, the former first secretary at the Canadian embassy in Tehran who sheltered fugitive American Embassy staffers at his home during the Iran hostage crisis in 1979 and who had a lengthy career in Canada's foreign service, has died at age 88.

    His wife, Zena, said Sheardown passed away in an Ottawa hospital on 30 December and had been treated for Alzheimer's disease for the past four years, though he also suffered from other ailments.

    Sheardown, a diplomat in Tehran during the Islamic revolution, played a key role in the events depicted in Ben Affleck's Oscar-contender film Argo, although he was not portrayed in the film.

    Almost a week after militant Iranian radicals seized the US embassy in Tehran on 4 November 1979, taking 52 Americans hostage for 444 days in retaliation for US support for the recently deposed shah, the Canadian diplomat received a call from one of the six Americans who had managed to evade capture. American consular officer Robert Anders was calling his friend Sheardown for help.

    "'What took you so long?'" was Sheardown's reply, said his wife.

    After that phone call, the Sheardowns agreed without hesitation to shelter four of the six Americans in secrecy in their 20-room house in Tehran. The Canadian ambassador, Ken Taylor, housed the other two Americans.

    "It would have been selfish for us not to do so," Zena Sheardown said. "There weren't many places to hide in Iran, we had the room, they needed our help and it was just not in John's nature to refuse help to anyone."

    For 79 days, the pair lived a low-profile life in tumultuous Tehran, facilitating a household that was comfortable and welcoming for the Americans, while helicopters streamed overhead, everyone's nerves calmed only by boisterous dinners together and heartfelt hospitality.

    "We have a lot of fond memories. We spent American Thanksgiving together, New Year's Eve together. Every night we would all sit around for dinner together. There was a lot of humor and laughter. It was a nice time to have to spend together," she said. "We tried to be protective, but we also went out of our way to make them feel as if they weren't imposing on us."

    She said her husband became the father figure of the household, whom everyone would turn to for advice when they went through moments of fear.

    "He kind of became our leader and since he was a pipe smoker and had more of a mature nature, he became known as 'Big Daddy,' everyone would wait for Big Daddy to come home," she said, chuckling.

    While Sheardown might be best known for his role in what became known as the Canadian Caper, he is noticeably absent from Argo, which tells the story of how the CIA used a fake Hollywood film crew to rescue the six US embassy staffers sheltered by the Canadians. Affleck has apologized for leaving Sheardown out of the film, which he said was the result of time constraints and plot developments.

    "It was frustrating," said Zena Sheardown. "It would have been nice if the story was told correctly because basically, if the Canadians weren't there to help, who knows what would have happened to those Americans."

    In a story posted in October on the Slate magazine website, one of the rescued American diplomats, Mark Lijek, said Sheardown's role had been "indispensable". Lijek said: "Without his enthusiastic welcome we might have tried to survive on our own a few more days. We would have failed."

    Sheardown was made a Member of the Order of Canada for his role in the rescue. His wife later also received the award for her role.

    Born in Sandwich, Ontario, later absorbed by Windsor, on 11 October 1924, John Vernon Sheardown joined the Royal Canadian Air Force at 18. He flew scores of Lancaster bomber missions in World War II. On one mission, he barely managed to get his flak-riddled plane back to Britain. With the Lancaster losing power, he told his crew to bail out. He tried to wrestle the aircraft under control before opting to leap at the last minute. His chute barely had time to open and he broke both legs upon impact.

    "I often thought he had nine lives with the way he lived his life," his wife said.

    He stayed in the Canadian Armed Forces after the war, serving in Korea, before joining Canada's immigration service around 1962. He was posted in London, Glasgow, New Delhi and Los Angeles, during a 27-year diplomatic career.

    "He was a proud, dignified man, proud to serve his country, a dedicated foreign services officer and well-respected by all," his wife said.

    It was that dignified air that caught the eye of his future wife when she first spotted him in the Canadian high commission in London. "He looked like an English gentleman, he was smoking a pipe, very dapper," she said.

    She asked a friend who that was and her friend replied: "That's John Sheardown, the kindest man I've ever known. If he was down to his last penny and he thought you needed it, he would give it to you."

    The two were married in Los Angeles in 1975. It was his second marriage.

    "It was a long love story," Zena said, her voice cracking with emotion. "He lived a wonderful life and we shared many wonderful years together."

    Besides his wife, the former Zena Khan, Sheardown is survived by his sons, Robin and John; his sisters, Jean Fitzsimmons and Betty Ann Whitehead; six grandchildren; and 10 great-grandchildren.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    Cosmo wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    I knew about the regular hostages but I can't remember hearing about the Argo mission.
    ...
    I liked the part where Abraham Lincoln snuck into Iran with that tiger and shot Usama bin Laden in the eye.
    Wait, was UBL a vampire? Otherwise I'm calling bullshit on this story.
  • lukin2006 wrote:
    There are facts left out through out the movie ... The biggest fact left out was that an Canadian Diplomate John Sheardown received the initial call and he housed 4 Americans.


    he he

    It was a Hollywood movie. America even won the Vietnam War in Hollywood. Gotta feel good about yourselves down there.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,486
    Great article on Slate breaking down what was factual and what was embellished:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 ... movie.html
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    lukin2006 wrote:
    There are facts left out through out the movie ... The biggest fact left out was that an Canadian Diplomate John Sheardown received the initial call and he housed 4 Americans.


    he he

    It was a Hollywood movie. America even won the Vietnam War in Hollywood. Gotta feel good about yourselves down there.

    hehehe ... they also single handedly won WW2.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    lukin2006 wrote:
    There are facts left out through out the movie ... The biggest fact left out was that an Canadian Diplomate John Sheardown received the initial call and he housed 4 Americans.


    he he

    It was a Hollywood movie. America even won the Vietnam War in Hollywood. Gotta feel good about yourselves down there.
    Hollywood's all about illusion, dontcha know ;)
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    pjl44 wrote:
    Great article on Slate breaking down what was factual and what was embellished:

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 ... movie.html

    as carter put it ... rescue mission was 90% canadian ...
  • You Northerners are hilarious. I thought the movie was about a ridiculous plan to rescue some Americans. That's entertainment. Maybe in the documentary they can focus on what they did while waiting for help. Watching hockey, drinking tea, and knitting.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    hedonist wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    There are facts left out through out the movie ... The biggest fact left out was that an Canadian Diplomate John Sheardown received the initial call and he housed 4 Americans.


    he he

    It was a Hollywood movie. America even won the Vietnam War in Hollywood. Gotta feel good about yourselves down there.
    Hollywood's all about illusion, dontcha know ;)

    Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

    How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

    How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?
    To be fair, I was poking fun at Hollywood itself - the narcisissm, imagery, hypocrisy, etc. - the (not-so-grand) illusion.

    I've heard good things about Argo and the Lincoln film - hope they live up to my expectations when I finally see them.
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    CH156378 wrote:
    fuck yourself! :lol:

    this is so much funnier after i watched it :lol::lol::lol:
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

    How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?

    i saw both movies ... argo was a reasonably made movie ... i don't particularly care that they took liberties with the facts ... that's hollywood ... lincoln i thought was way too self-absorbed ... it's like he made a movie overly dramatic to push that oscar thing ... it didn't need to be nearly 3 hrs ... but that's just me ...
  • whgarrett wrote:
    You Northerners are hilarious. I thought the movie was about a ridiculous plan to rescue some Americans. That's entertainment. Maybe in the documentary they can focus on what they did while waiting for help. Watching hockey, drinking tea, and knitting.


    Close........frying backbacon, drinking beer..............and watching hockey. :D

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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    hedonist wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

    How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?
    To be fair, I was poking fun at Hollywood itself - the narcisissm, imagery, hypocrisy, etc. - the (not-so-grand) illusion.
    Ok, gotcha. ;)
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Yeah, I hear that Lincoln movie is an illusion, too. :roll:

    How many of you being critical of Argo has even seen it?

    i saw both movies ... argo was a reasonably made movie ... i don't particularly care that they took liberties with the facts ... that's hollywood ... lincoln i thought was way too self-absorbed ... it's like he made a movie overly dramatic to push that oscar thing ... it didn't need to be nearly 3 hrs ... but that's just me ...

    I really liked Argo and how they tried to stick to (mostly) facts with typical drama thrown in. I don't have much interest in Lincoln since I learned it in history class, and I know how it ends. ;)

    I don't think Les Miserables' had to be 3 hours long either, but it was quite good too (if you're into musicals).
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I really liked Argo and how they tried to stick to (mostly) facts with typical drama thrown in. I don't have much interest in Lincoln since I learned it in history class, and I know how it ends. ;)

    I don't think Les Miserables' had to be 3 hours long either, but it was quite good too (if you're into musicals).

    uhh ... i think some of the posts here indicate that it wasn't mostly fact ... in the movie - it appears that the CIA specifically this mendez guy comes up with the idea ... it wasn't true ... it was a canadian designed and led operation with cia support ...

    as for les mis - you can't cut that unless you actually cut songs from the musical or speed up the songs ...
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    polaris_x wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    I really liked Argo and how they tried to stick to (mostly) facts with typical drama thrown in. I don't have much interest in Lincoln since I learned it in history class, and I know how it ends. ;)

    I don't think Les Miserables' had to be 3 hours long either, but it was quite good too (if you're into musicals).

    uhh ... i think some of the posts here indicate that it wasn't mostly fact ... in the movie - it appears that the CIA specifically this mendez guy comes up with the idea ... it wasn't true ... it was a canadian designed and led operation with cia support ...

    as for les mis - you can't cut that unless you actually cut songs from the musical or speed up the songs ...

    So you're going to assume that a Slate blog stated it, so it must be true?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jeanwah wrote:
    So you're going to assume that a Slate blog stated it, so it must be true?

    hahaha ...

    no, it's called history ... even Carter admitted as much ...
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