Eddie Vedder puts the Grammy in its place

green_girl

Big Bank Hank wrote:

I am sure the band doesn't care they were making a move post Ten & Vs to be less commercial anyway

Y'ou're probably right. And his message was right. I just questioned his timing.
Funny thing is the Music Video Channel, Grammys etc are 5x worse now than they were then.

Big Bank Hank

whispering hands wrote:

Big Bank Hank wrote:

I am sure the band doesn't care they were making a move post Ten & Vs to be less commercial anyway, I have a feeling they booted Dave Abruzzese because of that, it seemed to me that he was trying to be the next Tommy Lee and I don't think that jived with the rest of the band who cared more about the music, but I could be wrong

I know for a fact you're right on this!! Plus Dave and Ed just didn't ever
"Click" from Day one.

watching this video, it seems like the rest of the band is jamming, and Dave seems more concerned with his rockstar image

Wma31394

DURP wrote:

Johnny Depp is the ultimate tool

I dont mind johnny...but since he showed up "orange" at the awards..it is more than reasonable to call him the ultimate tool!!!! Worst hollywood spray tanning ive ever seen..wtf..go hang at the beach brohan..

Mike cracks me up in that clip..

Wma31394

Big Bank Hank wrote:

I am sure the band doesn't care they were making a move post Ten & Vs to be less commercial anyway, I have a feeling they booted Dave Abruzzese because of that, it seemed to me that he was trying to be the next Tommy Lee and I don't think that jived with the rest of the band who cared more about the music, but I could be wrong

And how things have changed....I bet they chuckle at those moments..Something tells me ed wouldnt mind going to some of those awards shows now...the podium..the celebs..the outlet..pretty sure he would do it with class and its all good... but he pretty much blackballed himself tho..

pandora

His Father would have liked it, I agree.
That is a huge part of an award, someone somewhere is proud,
even more than they thought possible.
And then someone gets to say thank you, thank you for all you have done, all you have been.

musicismylife78

i think its interesting to note how culture has changed in those 17 years. Grunge was dead, and the world had moved on. The idea that mainstream culture had embraced grunge was laughable. Nowadays, the same indie culture that felt any success or fame or promotion was selling out, routinely hypes bands who have songs appear in tv shows, movies, and do press for major corporations. Justin Vernon essentially said what Ed did, last year, in a much less succint manner, but he does press for Bushmills, and few if any other than the Avalanches view him as a sell out.

I think since the 2000's those of us who love indie music have become more used to, and grown used to, bands we love becoming huge, winning awards, and still having integrity. Modest Mouse did a budweiser and minivan commercial, and The Shins did one for mcdonalds. If people dislike these bands it isnt because of those things.

I think the culture at large has changed, and become way more tolerant, and accepting of indie bands.

Wma31394

musicismylife78 wrote:

i think its interesting to note how culture has changed in those 17 years. Grunge was dead, and the world had moved on. The idea that mainstream culture had embraced grunge was laughable. Nowadays, the same indie culture that felt any success or fame or promotion was selling out, routinely hypes bands who have songs appear in tv shows, movies, and do press for major corporations. Justin Vernon essentially said what Ed did, last year, in a much less succint manner, but he does press for Bushmills, and few if any other than the Avalanches view him as a sell out.

I think since the 2000's those of us who love indie music have become more used to, and grown used to, bands we love becoming huge, winning awards, and still having integrity. Modest Mouse did a budweiser and minivan commercial, and The Shins did one for mcdonalds. If people dislike these bands it isnt because of those things.

I think the culture at large has changed, and become way more tolerant, and accepting of indie bands.

Yup...Well said..music must be your life..

dimitrispearljam

i love how Stone treats his Grammy

pistol3

JB128716 wrote:

I didn't know where to post this, but Dave put this on his Facebook page from this year's Grammys.

I'm not sure if anyone notices, but it looks to me like Paul is trying to grab Dave's Love Gun.

I'm sorry I'm not sorry, but Dave Grohl is such a sell out. The FF have some solid material, but I feel like they're so limited. Most of their stuff is just radio happy, written to be on the radio crap. They're much close to Nickelback than anything that's genuine rock n roll, say for instance Jack White. Maybe that's the consensus on here, maybe not. But, I feel like Dave Grohl gets a pass because he was in Nirvana. He's overrated.

Come Back in Black

I get why Ed said what he said but it was extreme and I think he has grown up since then. I get his point but he shit on everyone there and all the hard work that went into creating the show. It was.. too much. After all...Everything is art.

Movies are art.. so no Oscars
plays are art... so no tonys
TV shows are art... so no Emmys

Not allowed to have ice chainsaw sculpting competions or sand castle building competions because.. can't judge art.

snowman buildoffs are out. Can't give awards for art.

highschool homecomings will all be cancelled since we can't give an award to the best float. Its art.

Not to mention the Rock in Roll hall of fame which Ed seems to put a lot of stock in since he has inducted several people without ever once saying.. "this doesn't mean anything".

I guess that leaves strictly awards for math, science, and sports statistics. What a boring and shitty world that is.

Ed is smart enough to realize this in his old age as well. If he had won when he was nominated for into the wild.. he would of been much more gracious.

brianlux

SOLAT319 wrote:

Big Bank Hank wrote:

I hate the Grammy's haven't watched that useless crap in over a decade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CMe4U

You spelled "its" wrong

the contraction for "it is" is it's:

http://garyes.stormloader.com/its.html

Yeah, I agree with the OP. The Grammys hold no interest for me. (Grammys is spelled correctly as it's not the possessive. Just ask me- I never make no grimmatical mistakes or speling errers. )

green_girl

pistol3 wrote:

JB128716 wrote:

I didn't know where to post this, but Dave put this on his Facebook page from this year's Grammys.

I'm not sure if anyone notices, but it looks to me like Paul is trying to grab Dave's Love Gun.

I'm sorry I'm not sorry, but Dave Grohl is such a sell out. The FF have some solid material, but I feel like they're so limited. Most of their stuff is just radio happy, written to be on the radio crap. They're much close to Nickelback than anything that's genuine rock n roll, say for instance Jack White. Maybe that's the consensus on here, maybe not. But, I feel like Dave Grohl gets a pass because he was in Nirvana. He's overrated.

Dave Grohl only writes hits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oojzmjJ3ugE

He looks like a cool dude; I'd love to hang out with him. Hahaha

Disclaimer: I know about three Foo Fighters song, so I can't judge their music and don't want to.

musicismylife78

As i said above, i think its a case of indie culture no longer believing that success and commercial appeal equal selling out. and mainstream culture also embracing indie music and being more tolerant of music or art in general that is offbeat, experimental, low budget etc... And we see this across mediums. Its also true of film in the last 10-15 years as well. I think it has to do with embracing of music that isnt typically your preferred genre. Very few people are "only rock music" people. Back in the day, this was often the case. Nowadays you can be a fan of both Call me Maybe, and Pink Floyds Time. The public and culture at large seems to accept that bands have to put songs in movies and tv shows. And as a result few people these days abandon their favorite bands for reasons of "selling out". Its much more accepted and acceptable. It isnt the black mark that it once was. In fact, take a band like Grizzly Bear or the Shins. I'd argue they are as popular as they ever have been, and are both critically loved.
I also think there seems to be a belief prevalent, that bands nowadays can sell their music for commercial gain, but that most of the time these bands are selling a song or album theyve already written. The commercial appeal didnt influence the songs composition, or its content. They were approached by a tv show, or sent in their song to a tv show, and it was aired on Greys Anatomy. Thats different than writing music to be heard on tv, or letting a show or movie dictate a song be "commercial".

Lastly, I think the indie music scenes long lasting dominance plays a role. Most music scenes last a few years. Grunge lasted 4 years. Indie music has lasted in my view from Is This It's release to current times, and its as vibrant and important as it always was. The scene has had few major deaths, drug use and "rock star behavior" may be prevalent but its hidden or not discussed. You dont hear of Bright Eyes canceling a show because he's high, or hear that Sam Beam is stumbling out of bars drunk. The scene has been remarkable in this aspect.

I also think times have changed. Bands make no money off album sales. So they have to make money somehow. A smart band would utilize those outlets like tv, social media, commercials and movies to market their music and get some income. Tv is the new radio and has been for years. I cant tell you the last great song I heard on the radio was. But i can tell you that new band i heard on that episode of Parenthood I searched it online and found them. Its proved to work.

AzWicker

musicismylife78 wrote:

...Nowadays you can be a fan of both Call me Maybe, and Pink Floyds Time.

That can never happen, ever, in the entire history of time that should never happen.

McNairn

The Grammy's have become so horrendously bad I can't even stand watching for five minutes.
The last straw for me was when Grateful Dead were given a lifetime achievement award or something and the members of the band got to stand up in their lousy seats at the back of the auditorium and wave for 10 seconds. Then they immediately went to another Disney manufactured artist who has nothing to do with writing their own songs and has their outfits and dance moves arranged for them who performed another useless song to a paid "arm raising" crowd in the mosh pit.
Pathetic.
The Grammy's has NOTHING to do with real musicians at the top of their craft.
Getting a Grammy is like getting a Hamburgular Award from McDonalds.
Not all award shows are the same - the Grammy's is particularly bad.

candleofthought26

Big Bank Hank wrote:

I hate the Grammy's haven't watched that useless crap in over a decade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHEYs0CMe4U

I'm with you.



"I don't think it means anything. That's just how I feel." --love and respect the honesty.

musicismylife78

AzWicker wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

...Nowadays you can be a fan of both Call me Maybe, and Pink Floyds Time.

That can never happen, ever, in the entire history of time that should never happen.

you ever looked at someones iPod playlist?

musicismylife78

McNairn wrote:

The Grammy's have become so horrendously bad I can't even stand watching for five minutes.
The last straw for me was when Grateful Dead were given a lifetime achievement award or something and the members of the band got to stand up in their lousy seats at the back of the auditorium and wave for 10 seconds. Then they immediately went to another Disney manufactured artist who has nothing to do with writing their own songs and has their outfits and dance moves arranged for them who performed another useless song to a paid "arm raising" crowd in the mosh pit.
Pathetic.
The Grammy's has NOTHING to do with real musicians at the top of their craft.
Getting a Grammy is like getting a Hamburgular Award from McDonalds.
Not all award shows are the same - the Grammy's is particularly bad.

i disagree. they've changed, as Ive laid out above. In 2011 Arcade Fire won Best Album, and last year Bon Iver was among the most nominated artists and won best new artist. Frank Ocean being one of the most nominated this year also was a sea change. This board doesnt listen to much outside of rock and music associated with PJ. Channel Orange is one of the most impressive albums ive heard in a long time. Its boundary pushing and challenging in ways few albums are, in any genre. He is among the leaders of a new era of r and b.

Last year the Grammys also nailed it by nominating Adele and bestowing her with album of the year. 21 was the best pop album of the year, hands down. And probably among the top 2 or 3 pop albums of the last 20 years. Every song is a classic.

Even Mumford, anyone remember in 2009? They were just some no name indie band back then.

This board loves old guard rock and roll. And the Grammy's, like Rolling Stone, love that. By that standard people should love the Grammys

I think its clear the last few years the Grammys have changed, and like I said above, mainstream culture has embraced indie culture. The awards illustrate this point

Markiemark70

musicismylife78 wrote:

McNairn wrote:

The Grammy's have become so horrendously bad I can't even stand watching for five minutes.
The last straw for me was when Grateful Dead were given a lifetime achievement award or something and the members of the band got to stand up in their lousy seats at the back of the auditorium and wave for 10 seconds. Then they immediately went to another Disney manufactured artist who has nothing to do with writing their own songs and has their outfits and dance moves arranged for them who performed another useless song to a paid "arm raising" crowd in the mosh pit.
Pathetic.
The Grammy's has NOTHING to do with real musicians at the top of their craft.
Getting a Grammy is like getting a Hamburgular Award from McDonalds.
Not all award shows are the same - the Grammy's is particularly bad.

i disagree. they've changed, as Ive laid out above. In 2011 Arcade Fire won Best Album, and last year Bon Iver was among the most nominated artists and won best new artist. Frank Ocean being one of the most nominated this year also was a sea change. This board doesnt listen to much outside of rock and music associated with PJ. Channel Orange is one of the most impressive albums ive heard in a long time. Its boundary pushing and challenging in ways few albums are, in any genre. He is among the leaders of a new era of r and b.

Last year the Grammys also nailed it by nominating Adele and bestowing her with album of the year. 21 was the best pop album of the year, hands down. And probably among the top 2 or 3 pop albums of the last 20 years. Every song is a classic.

Even Mumford, anyone remember in 2009? They were just some no name indie band back then.

This board loves old guard rock and roll. And the Grammy's, like Rolling Stone, love that. By that standard people should love the Grammys

I think its clear the last few years the Grammys have changed, and like I said above, mainstream culture has embraced indie culture. The awards illustrate this point

Dude I'm totally with you. There is a lot of narrow views on this board from people who probably don't even watch the show.

Every year is a bit different but if you have an appreciation for music, and you watch the show you will see that there is as much if not more talent in the music business today as there was 20, or 40 years ago.

Even some of the acts that are not my cup of tea like JT, Bruno Mars et al are mad talented and give me hope for the future of music.

tempo_n_groove

Big Bank Hank wrote:

here is a more respectable awards show, even though it's an award show
Eddie Vedder Inducts the Ramones into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oi-SKOqVHA

The rock n roll HOF is run by all the people in Rolling Stone magazine. You ever read that mags top 5 albums? Talk about being dated...

I am still shocked that Metallica got in.