And saying someone has the right not to tip....no fucking shit. Along the same lines you have the right to be a complete shit head of a human being, which I consider someone who takes someones services but does not pay for it.
If you don't want to pay someone to serve your food, cook it your fucking self.
Edit: And I'll preface this by saying in the US where tips are how these people are paid.
I waitered and bartended for several years while going to school. One of the jobs I worked at made me pay 4% of my sales to 'tip pool'. These contributions went to the cooks, hostess, bussboys, prep workers and dishpit crew.
When someone came in, ate and drank like pigs, ran my ass off, and then left me nothing... I'd have to make that deficit from my other tips. I wanted to rip their faces off. Cheap... pricks. Let me say it again: cheap... pricks. Can't stand them.
If I get bad service I still leave a tip. I had factored it into my dining experience before I went out. What comes around goes around.
Those that stand by their prickish right to not tip... consider the following: if everybody was a prick like yourself and nobody tipped... who would do the job? Waiters and waitresses wouldn't work for $3 an hour to have slobs like yourself order themaround like peasant servants. Restaurants would be forced to pay salaries that would attract people to the job. Then... guess what cheap pricks? Your meals and drinks just went up in price. So, instead of going for a nice meal and a few beers at a nice restaurant before a PJ concert... you're cooking at home and watching the news before the show. You'd be paying the price of a tip in the cost of the meal. So... sit back... and let people like me tip servers so that meals stay nice and reasonably priced for selfish pricks like yourself. Dickheads.
I sure wish I had a bunch of people giving me money when I go to work and do my job every day.....on top of the salary my employer already pays me.
I don't tip. Ever, I figure that the people before me and the person after will tip enough and it will all even out.
The prices are jacked enough already.
I sure wish I had a bunch of people giving me money when I go to work and do my job every day.....on top of the salary my employer already pays me.
I don't tip. Ever, I figure that the people before me and the person after will tip enough and it will all even out.
The prices are jacked enough already.
So what you are saying is that it is up to the person before and after you to subsidize your good service? Sounds like tip welfare to me.
I sure wish I had a bunch of people giving me money when I go to work and do my job every day.....on top of the salary my employer already pays me.
I don't tip. Ever, I figure that the people before me and the person after will tip enough and it will all even out.
The prices are jacked enough already.
The following quote from my previous post applies here:
Those that stand by their prickish right to not tip... consider the following: if everybody was a prick like yourself and nobody tipped... who would do the job? Waiters and waitresses wouldn't work for $3 an hour to have slobs like yourself order themaround like peasant servants. Restaurants would be forced to pay salaries that would attract people to the job. Then... guess what cheap pricks? Your meals and drinks just went up in price. So, instead of going for a nice meal and a few beers at a nice restaurant before a PJ concert... you're cooking at home and watching the news before the show. You'd be paying the price of a tip in the cost of the meal. So... sit back... and let people like me tip servers so that meals stay nice and reasonably priced for selfish pricks like yourself. Dickheads.
How do you make it all even out? What exactly do you do to make things well for that person before and after you so that it does?
You have said you wished they did, but why do you think someone should tip you at the movie rental shop?
Prices are jacked? Perhaps at some exclusive restaurants. Have you not noticed the amount of reataurants that go out of business? Restaurants aren't gold mines and if they are... they are because they have great staff working for them- that rely on tips.
I also tip the movers, the chambermaids, and virtually anything else where tipping is a custom: my dignity demands it from myself. I would rather be broke than be known as a cheap bastard.
I sure wish I had a bunch of people giving me money when I go to work and do my job every day.....on top of the salary my employer already pays me.
I don't tip. Ever, I figure that the people before me and the person after will tip enough and it will all even out.
The prices are jacked enough already.
The following quote from my previous post applies here:
Those that stand by their prickish right to not tip... consider the following: if everybody was a prick like yourself and nobody tipped... who would do the job? Waiters and waitresses wouldn't work for $3 an hour to have slobs like yourself order themaround like peasant servants. Restaurants would be forced to pay salaries that would attract people to the job. Then... guess what cheap pricks? Your meals and drinks just went up in price. So, instead of going for a nice meal and a few beers at a nice restaurant before a PJ concert... you're cooking at home and watching the news before the show. You'd be paying the price of a tip in the cost of the meal. So... sit back... and let people like me tip servers so that meals stay nice and reasonably priced for selfish pricks like yourself. Dickheads.
How do you make it all even out? What exactly do you do to make things well for that person before and after you so that it does?
You have said you wished they did, but why do you think someone should tip you at the movie rental shop?
Prices are jacked? Perhaps at some exclusive restaurants. Have you not noticed the amount of reataurants that go out of business? Restaurants aren't gold mines and if they are... they are because they have great staff working for them- that rely on tips.
I also tip the movers, the chambermaids, and virtually anything else where tipping is a custom: my dignity demands it from myself. I would rather be broke than be known as a cheap bastard.
I agree with you about tipping. I often over tip using the rationale (however patronizing it may sound) that the extra buck will mean more the person I'm giving it to than me.
However, your previous post was WAY over the top, espeically the part you just re-quoted. It is in folks right to "grade" service via tips. While I am one to always tip, I have no problem if someone says - that service sucked, I'm not tipping (or better yet, left a tiny tip). If your job depends on it, you better be better at your job.
I do disagree with the written message (arrogant) and flat out refusing to tip. And, maybe that's what your message was pointed out. It did not come across that way.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I agree with you about tipping. I often over tip using the rationale (however patronizing it may sound) that the extra buck will mean more the person I'm giving it to than me.
However, your previous post was WAY over the top, espeically the part you just re-quoted. It is in folks right to "grade" service via tips. While I am one to always tip, I have no problem if someone says - that service sucked, I'm not tipping (or better yet, left a tiny tip). If your job depends on it, you better be better at your job.
I do disagree with the written message (arrogant) and flat out refusing to tip. And, maybe that's what your message was pointed out. It did not come across that way.
Perhaps, but coming from a guy who depended on tips to put himself through university... I have had more than enough negative experiences in the service industry to feel the way I do. I speak for those that were in my shoes 25 years ago. They deserve better than to be sneered at.
I sure wish I had a bunch of people giving me money when I go to work and do my job every day.....on top of the salary my employer already pays me.
I don't tip. Ever, I figure that the people before me and the person after will tip enough and it will all even out.
The prices are jacked enough already.
:fp: Im not sure how things are in Canada, but you do realize there's a chance that those people making tips have an hourly wage of $2-3 an hour. its adjusted for tips. They are dependent on tips. But I'd guess that you are being sarcastic? or maybe you dont go to the same places regularly?
I sure wish I had a bunch of people giving me money when I go to work and do my job every day.....on top of the salary my employer already pays me.
I don't tip. Ever, I figure that the people before me and the person after will tip enough and it will all even out.
The prices are jacked enough already.
:fp: Im not sure how things are in Canada, but you do realize there's a chance that those people making tips have an hourly wage of $2-3 an hour. its adjusted for tips. They are dependent on tips. But I'd guess that you are being sarcastic? or maybe you dont go to the same places regularly?
In Canada they make about $9-10 an hour before tips. It's just like working any other minimum wage job.
I sure wish I had a bunch of people giving me money when I go to work and do my job every day.....on top of the salary my employer already pays me.
I don't tip. Ever, I figure that the people before me and the person after will tip enough and it will all even out.
The prices are jacked enough already.
:fp: Im not sure how things are in Canada, but you do realize there's a chance that those people making tips have an hourly wage of $2-3 an hour. its adjusted for tips. They are dependent on tips. But I'd guess that you are being sarcastic? or maybe you dont go to the same places regularly?
In Canada they make about $9-10 an hour before tips. It's just like working any other minimum wage job.
Ahh I see. its very different here in the US.
So, is the standard % tip rate different there?
Slight tangent on the subject of tipping...does anyone draw a line at who (or which profession) you do or don't tip?
Dry cleaners? They're providing a service, and certainly working hard at doing so. Yet, I pay the amount on the receipt and that's it. Or when I pick up breakfast at the corner cafe, I pay for my food and leave nothing in the tip jar. I've never tipped a salesperson in a department store nor a cashier at a market - yet both are providing me with a service.
Just wondering if others have tipping parameters and where they lie. Handimen, my hair guy, servers, delivery folks - I'm in.
I'm not even sure my own boundaries are set.
(and out of curiosity - is someone employed by a restaurant not paid minimum wage, or are the anticipated tips factored in to their rate?)
Slight tangent on the subject of tipping...does anyone draw a line at who (or which profession) you do or don't tip?
Dry cleaners? They're providing a service, and certainly working hard at doing so. Yet, I pay the amount on the receipt and that's it. Or when I pick up breakfast at the corner cafe, I pay for my food and leave nothing in the tip jar. I've never tipped a salesperson in a department store nor a cashier at a market - yet both are providing me with a service.
Just wondering if others have tipping parameters and where they lie. Handimen, my hair guy, servers, delivery folks - I'm in.
I'm not even sure my own boundaries are set.
(and out of curiosity - is someone employed by a restaurant not paid minimum wage, or are the anticipated tips factored in to their rate?)
A few years back when I worked in restaurants it was $2.13/hr wage... so no, they dont usually get minimum wage.
Good questions Hedonist. I hate trying to figure out some of the grey areas of tipping. There never used to be a tip jar at Little Caesars Pizza or Dunkin Donuts. Now they have one. Those cases, I rarely tip. Im in and out and I know they get regular wages. I did, however tip the guy working on my car awhile back because he seemed like a good dude. And I had a guy tow my car that day too, and it was raining, so I gave him a few bucks, but normally I wouldnt think to tip a tow truck driver.
:fp: Im not sure how things are in Canada, but you do realize there's a chance that those people making tips have an hourly wage of $2-3 an hour. its adjusted for tips. They are dependent on tips. But I'd guess that you are being sarcastic? or maybe you dont go to the same places regularly?
In Canada they make about $9-10 an hour before tips. It's just like working any other minimum wage job.
Ahh I see. its very different here in the US.
So, is the standard % tip rate different there?
Not sure if there's a standard tip %. Never really talked to anybody else to see what they tip.
Ahh I see. its very different here in the US.
So, is the standard % tip rate different there?
Not sure if there's a standard tip %. Never really talked to anybody else to see what they tip.
standard for years has been 15%, but now some places actually ask you for 20%.
look, for all the folks out there calling me a fucking scumbag for choosing not to tip for bad service.....in Canada we have something called minimum wage. it's the law. many professions make minimum wage, maybe they don't serve to your face, but they had a hand in your dining experience. the hostess, the cook, the prep cook, the dish guy, the guy who mops the fucking floors. do they get tips? NO. except the kitchen staff, who MIGHT get 10%, and that's a big fucking IF. She makes $100. The entire kitchen splits $10. Yeah, that's fair.
I tip if the service was good. I tip well if the service/food was exceptional. if the service is bad, I tip poorly or not at all. who the fuck gives a bonus to someone who performs shitty at their job? this sense of entitlement is disgusting.
case and point: last saturday we went to this old pub/restaurant and had a party of about 20 people to celebrate my Mom's birthday. The bill came to $700 for the food and my Dad paid for it. All the drinks were the responsibility of those that attended. The waitress didn't prepare the food. She didn't even bring it out. So when my Dad punched in $60 for the tip, the bartender said "oh, I'm sorry, but it's our policy that for parties over 8 that tip is 15%". My dad was never told this, and the manager came by and confirmed that he wasn't told this, so it's fine. The fucking bitch of a waitress came up to my Dad and had the gall to say "you don't think we were worth 15%??" TWICE. THAT, my friends, is disgusting behaviour. You take your tip and you smile. She was the shittiest waitress I have ever had. And I'm figured out why: she was banking on getting her 15% of the food bill without having to do anything. She was getting her tips from the drinks too. She deserved fucking nothing in my opinion. My wife and I got so tired of waiting for her to come around we walked up to the bar to get a glass of wine and a water. She ran up to us and said she'd bring it to us. She never fucking did. So I went up to the bar again and got my water, and my wife caught the waitress and cancelled the wine, as we were leaving. She just said "ok", with no "oh, I'm sorry I forgot". Nothing.
So I'm supposed to give her 15% tip for a fucking miserable experience and for doing nothing? how the fuck does that make any sense?
Only thing she deserved was a pink slip.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I figure if I can't (not won't) tip, I probably won't partake of the service. However, good point cincy made on it being a given these days.
By the way, just had some groceries delivered including several heavy items - these folks always get a healthy tip from us.
(plus, being nice goes a long way)
groceries delivered... you city folk are pretty badass with what is at your fingertips. if i was to call or internet an order i'd get laughed at & told i was frickin out of my mind. then a small person would come out from under my bed or out of my closet & kick me square in the shin for being a small town iowan a-hole.
Ahh I see. its very different here in the US.
So, is the standard % tip rate different there?
Not sure if there's a standard tip %. Never really talked to anybody else to see what they tip.
standard for years has been 15%, but now some places actually ask you for 20%.
look, for all the folks out there calling me a fucking scumbag for choosing not to tip for bad service.....in Canada we have something called minimum wage. it's the law. many professions make minimum wage, maybe they don't serve to your face, but they had a hand in your dining experience. the hostess, the cook, the prep cook, the dish guy, the guy who mops the fucking floors. do they get tips? NO. except the kitchen staff, who MIGHT get 10%, and that's a big fucking IF. She makes $100. The entire kitchen splits $10. Yeah, that's fair.
I tip if the service was good. I tip well if the service/food was exceptional. if the service is bad, I tip poorly or not at all. who the fuck gives a bonus to someone who performs shitty at their job? this sense of entitlement is disgusting.
case and point: last saturday we went to this old pub/restaurant and had a party of about 20 people to celebrate my Mom's birthday. The bill came to $700 for the food and my Dad paid for it. All the drinks were the responsibility of those that attended. The waitress didn't prepare the food. She didn't even bring it out. So when my Dad punched in $60 for the tip, the bartender said "oh, I'm sorry, but it's our policy that for parties over 8 that tip is 15%". My dad was never told this, and the manager came by and confirmed that he wasn't told this, so it's fine. The fucking bitch of a waitress came up to my Dad and had the gall to say "you don't think we were worth 15%??" TWICE. THAT, my friends, is disgusting behaviour. You take your tip and you smile. She was the shittiest waitress I have ever had. And I'm figured out why: she was banking on getting her 15% of the food bill without having to do anything. She was getting her tips from the drinks too. She deserved fucking nothing in my opinion. My wife and I got so tired of waiting for her to come around we walked up to the bar to get a glass of wine and a water. She ran up to us and said she'd bring it to us. She never fucking did. So I went up to the bar again and got my water, and my wife caught the waitress and cancelled the wine, as we were leaving. She just said "ok", with no "oh, I'm sorry I forgot". Nothing.
So I'm supposed to give her 15% tip for a fucking miserable experience and for doing nothing? how the fuck does that make any sense?
I figure if I can't (not won't) tip, I probably won't partake of the service. However, good point cincy made on it being a given these days.
By the way, just had some groceries delivered including several heavy items - these folks always get a healthy tip from us.
(plus, being nice goes a long way)
groceries delivered... you city folk are pretty badass with what is at your fingertips. if i was to call or internet an order i'd get laughed at & told i was frickin out of my mind. then a small person would come out from under my bed or out of my closet & kick me square in the shin for being a small town iowan a-hole.
Not badass, just taking advantage of where we are!
This city girl started using the service when our local grocery stores were on strike a few years ago. Now with my back shit, the four buck delivery fee and tips to the nice men and women who haul up bags of cat litter and bottles of water and other heavy items...totally worth it, and I am thankful for it.
HFD, agreed that was fucked up. A tip is a gratuity.
standard for years has been 15%, but now some places actually ask you for 20%.
look, for all the folks out there calling me a fucking scumbag for choosing not to tip for bad service.....in Canada we have something called minimum wage. it's the law. many professions make minimum wage, maybe they don't serve to your face, but they had a hand in your dining experience. the hostess, the cook, the prep cook, the dish guy, the guy who mops the fucking floors. do they get tips? NO. except the kitchen staff, who MIGHT get 10%, and that's a big fucking IF. She makes $100. The entire kitchen splits $10. Yeah, that's fair.
I tip if the service was good. I tip well if the service/food was exceptional. if the service is bad, I tip poorly or not at all. who the fuck gives a bonus to someone who performs shitty at their job? this sense of entitlement is disgusting.
case and point: last saturday we went to this old pub/restaurant and had a party of about 20 people to celebrate my Mom's birthday. The bill came to $700 for the food and my Dad paid for it. All the drinks were the responsibility of those that attended. The waitress didn't prepare the food. She didn't even bring it out. So when my Dad punched in $60 for the tip, the bartender said "oh, I'm sorry, but it's our policy that for parties over 8 that tip is 15%". My dad was never told this, and the manager came by and confirmed that he wasn't told this, so it's fine. The fucking bitch of a waitress came up to my Dad and had the gall to say "you don't think we were worth 15%??" TWICE. THAT, my friends, is disgusting behaviour. You take your tip and you smile. She was the shittiest waitress I have ever had. And I'm figured out why: she was banking on getting her 15% of the food bill without having to do anything. She was getting her tips from the drinks too. She deserved fucking nothing in my opinion. My wife and I got so tired of waiting for her to come around we walked up to the bar to get a glass of wine and a water. She ran up to us and said she'd bring it to us. She never fucking did. So I went up to the bar again and got my water, and my wife caught the waitress and cancelled the wine, as we were leaving. She just said "ok", with no "oh, I'm sorry I forgot". Nothing.
So I'm supposed to give her 15% tip for a fucking miserable experience and for doing nothing? how the fuck does that make any sense?
Only thing she deserved was a pink slip.
Good establishments pay positions differently. In the places I worked that did very well... our head cooks and head bartenders were paid more per hour. Further, a sound tip pool policy was established where everyone received something. The restaurant I referred to in another post had waiters pay 4% of their sales to tip pool. With this scenario, I paid $40 on $1000 sales. These funds were then distibuted by a set formula.
Sounds as if you are capable of tipping very well when appropriate: so that removes you from the scumbag category. The scumbag category is reserved for the people that do not leave anything at any time. Now... with that said... scumbag is a little harsh. I prefer 'cheap prick'.
There are times when tipping might not be appropriate given the level of service. I tip regardless, but there have been times when I have not received very good service (10% and only 10% in these cases... 20% or more every other time). I am an extrem though: I don't expect everyone to share this same personal philosophy. I understand a waiter or waitress needs to earn the tips they receive.
The dining experience you describe leaves a lot to be desired. I'm in agreement with you regarding your sentiments. Your waitress won't last very long doing what she is doing.
One thing about the 'built-in-gratuity': it's fair if the server does their job. The tip is 'built-in' because the server sacrifices turning tables while their section- or a portion of it- becomes reserved: limiting opportunities for making any other sales and any other tips. Too often, from my memory, large parties meant separate cheques and very small tips. Enthusiasm for taking a party was very low from all servers. When I served tables, this policy was not in place; but given what I remember... I know why it was implemented.
Good establishments pay positions differently. In the places I worked that did very well... our head cooks and head bartenders were paid more per hour. Further, a sound tip pool policy was established where everyone received something. The restaurant I referred to in another post had waiters pay 4% of their sales to tip pool. With this scenario, I paid $40 on $1000 sales. These funds were then distibuted by a set formula.
Sounds as if you are capable of tipping very well when appropriate: so that removes you from the scumbag category. The scumbag category is reserved for the people that do not leave anything at any time. Now... with that said... scumbag is a little harsh. I prefer 'cheap prick'.
There are times when tipping might not be appropriate given the level of service. I tip regardless, but there have been times when I have not received very good service (10% and only 10% in these cases... 20% or more every other time). I am an extrem though: I don't expect everyone to share this same personal philosophy. I understand a waiter or waitress needs to earn the tips they receive.
The dining experience you describe leaves a lot to be desired. I'm in agreement with you regarding your sentiments. Your waitress won't last very long doing what she is doing.
One thing about the 'built-in-gratuity': it's fair if the server does their job. The tip is 'built-in' because the server sacrifices turning tables while their section- or a portion of it- becomes reserved: limiting opportunities for making any other sales and any other tips. Too often, from my memory, large parties meant separate cheques and very small tips. Enthusiasm for taking a party was very low from all servers. When I served tables, this policy was not in place; but given what I remember... I know why it was implemented.
yes, I understand why the built in gratuity is used, as you said. But if the server does the absolute bare minimum knowing they are getting their big tip anyway, well I just might have to speak to the manager about it.
the entitlement attitude that is being displayed here by many people is just part and parcel of what our society has become, and something my parents absolutely despise, and it's starting to piss me off too. Everyone wants a fucking hand out without doing anything. A tip is something to be earned, not expected. it used to be given for exceptional food and/or service, not just someone bringing you your food.
and the idea that wait staff need tips to live on so therefore I'm obligated to support them, well I'm sorry, I got by just fine on my minimum wage job living on my own with no tips and didn't expect hand outs from anyone. you choose your profession, and people choose these jobs for the tips. so with that comes the risk of not getting them. there are risks and benefits to all of life's decisions.
if you serve me a shitty sandwich with a bitchy attitude you deserve nothing but the amount that comes on my bill.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Hugh FD; Personally, if anyone asks once, they get nada. and when I get bad service, I make a point to hand any gratuity to the cooks or bartenders. She gives a bad rep to all servers.
Hedonist; I'm with you. I find myself fumbling at times, wondering if I'm supposed to tip for this service or that one -- especially in other countries. I don't want to come off as another American jerk so I usually tip on the generous side and at times of doubt as well. Also, i need to do a bit of research as it's been told to me that some countries find tipping offensive. Really?
yes, I understand why the built in gratuity is used, as you said. But if the server does the absolute bare minimum knowing they are getting their big tip anyway, well I just might have to speak to the manager about it.
the entitlement attitude that is being displayed here by many people is just part and parcel of what our society has become, and something my parents absolutely despise, and it's starting to piss me off too. Everyone wants a fucking hand out without doing anything. A tip is something to be earned, not expected. it used to be given for exceptional food and/or service, not just someone bringing you your food.
and the idea that wait staff need tips to live on so therefore I'm obligated to support them, well I'm sorry, I got by just fine on my minimum wage job living on my own with no tips and didn't expect hand outs from anyone. you choose your profession, and people choose these jobs for the tips. so with that comes the risk of not getting them. there are risks and benefits to all of life's decisions.
if you serve me a shitty sandwich with a bitchy attitude you deserve nothing but the amount that comes on my bill.
Hugh, it's not fair to paint all servers with the 'entitlement' brush. Shitty servers have been the minority in my experience. Most are very friendly and work very hard to meet our needs while dining. It's a custom to tip and built into the profession. People wouldn't serve if tips weren't a part of the job. The ones that would... you wouldn't want serving you. If a server is terrible... I can understand why someone wouldn't leave a tip. If the server is honest with themselves, they should understand why things went the way they did.
Why has this even become a point of contention though? This is teeny weeny small money compared to some of the other professions that truly feel a sense of entitlement- and stick it to you big time.
You want to know what bugs me? What is with a real estate commission? You want to talk easy money? Holy shit, man. You de-clutter your house, remodel, paint, and shine the place like no other. They get some dude to put a sign up, get a photographer to take pictures, and then show your house to people that phone and ask them to see the place. People have to buy a house so there is a sale in there somewhere. Once that sale is made... a secretary back at the office photocopies documents, people sit and sign, the realtor directs to a notary and bam. Big cash.
Don't get me started with lawyers.
Waiters and waitresses? Let's direct our frustrations where they truly belong.
Not badass, just taking advantage of where we are!
This city girl started using the service when our local grocery stores were on strike a few years ago. Now with my back shit, the four buck delivery fee and tips to the nice men and women who haul up bags of cat litter and bottles of water and other heavy items...totally worth it, and I am thankful for it.
HFD, agreed that was fucked up. A tip is a gratuity.
frickin way badass & smart too. $4 buck delivery fee plus your tip. you probably would use that up in gas pretty much to & from the store. will they bring liquor & smokes? zig zags?
request a cinder blocks from them and they will remove them from their wall?
i am going to see about this delivery groceries business. i do know they have a pharmacy here that delivers your drugs to you. all delivery cars are volkswagon beatles painted up like ladybugs...
frickin way badass & smart too. $4 buck delivery fee plus your tip. you probably would use that up in gas pretty much to & from the store. will they bring liquor & smokes? zig zags?
request a cinder blocks from them and they will remove them from their wall?
i am going to see about this delivery groceries business. i do know they have a pharmacy here that delivers your drugs to you. all delivery cars are volkswagon beatles painted up like ladybugs...
Yessiree - liquor, smokes AND rolling papers...all within 30 minutes, no less :P
I think it's a great idea, actually - to start up a similar company or work for one. Those kids (I use the term loosely) earn every penny they make!
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If you don't want to pay someone to serve your food, cook it your fucking self.
Edit: And I'll preface this by saying in the US where tips are how these people are paid.
When someone came in, ate and drank like pigs, ran my ass off, and then left me nothing... I'd have to make that deficit from my other tips. I wanted to rip their faces off. Cheap... pricks. Let me say it again: cheap... pricks. Can't stand them.
If I get bad service I still leave a tip. I had factored it into my dining experience before I went out. What comes around goes around.
Those that stand by their prickish right to not tip... consider the following: if everybody was a prick like yourself and nobody tipped... who would do the job? Waiters and waitresses wouldn't work for $3 an hour to have slobs like yourself order themaround like peasant servants. Restaurants would be forced to pay salaries that would attract people to the job. Then... guess what cheap pricks? Your meals and drinks just went up in price. So, instead of going for a nice meal and a few beers at a nice restaurant before a PJ concert... you're cooking at home and watching the news before the show. You'd be paying the price of a tip in the cost of the meal. So... sit back... and let people like me tip servers so that meals stay nice and reasonably priced for selfish pricks like yourself. Dickheads.
Not sure about anyone else, but the price of everything I buy seems to have skyrocketed the last year or so.
Good thing the government and my employer (mandated by the government) are giving me so many good benefits for "free".
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I don't tip. Ever, I figure that the people before me and the person after will tip enough and it will all even out.
The prices are jacked enough already.
So what you are saying is that it is up to the person before and after you to subsidize your good service? Sounds like tip welfare to me.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
The following quote from my previous post applies here:
Those that stand by their prickish right to not tip... consider the following: if everybody was a prick like yourself and nobody tipped... who would do the job? Waiters and waitresses wouldn't work for $3 an hour to have slobs like yourself order themaround like peasant servants. Restaurants would be forced to pay salaries that would attract people to the job. Then... guess what cheap pricks? Your meals and drinks just went up in price. So, instead of going for a nice meal and a few beers at a nice restaurant before a PJ concert... you're cooking at home and watching the news before the show. You'd be paying the price of a tip in the cost of the meal. So... sit back... and let people like me tip servers so that meals stay nice and reasonably priced for selfish pricks like yourself. Dickheads.
How do you make it all even out? What exactly do you do to make things well for that person before and after you so that it does?
You have said you wished they did, but why do you think someone should tip you at the movie rental shop?
Prices are jacked? Perhaps at some exclusive restaurants. Have you not noticed the amount of reataurants that go out of business? Restaurants aren't gold mines and if they are... they are because they have great staff working for them- that rely on tips.
I also tip the movers, the chambermaids, and virtually anything else where tipping is a custom: my dignity demands it from myself. I would rather be broke than be known as a cheap bastard.
I agree with you about tipping. I often over tip using the rationale (however patronizing it may sound) that the extra buck will mean more the person I'm giving it to than me.
However, your previous post was WAY over the top, espeically the part you just re-quoted. It is in folks right to "grade" service via tips. While I am one to always tip, I have no problem if someone says - that service sucked, I'm not tipping (or better yet, left a tiny tip). If your job depends on it, you better be better at your job.
I do disagree with the written message (arrogant) and flat out refusing to tip. And, maybe that's what your message was pointed out. It did not come across that way.
Perhaps, but coming from a guy who depended on tips to put himself through university... I have had more than enough negative experiences in the service industry to feel the way I do. I speak for those that were in my shoes 25 years ago. They deserve better than to be sneered at.
I'm not going to sugar coat the reality.
:fp: Im not sure how things are in Canada, but you do realize there's a chance that those people making tips have an hourly wage of $2-3 an hour. its adjusted for tips. They are dependent on tips. But I'd guess that you are being sarcastic? or maybe you dont go to the same places regularly?
Ahh I see. its very different here in the US.
So, is the standard % tip rate different there?
Dry cleaners? They're providing a service, and certainly working hard at doing so. Yet, I pay the amount on the receipt and that's it. Or when I pick up breakfast at the corner cafe, I pay for my food and leave nothing in the tip jar. I've never tipped a salesperson in a department store nor a cashier at a market - yet both are providing me with a service.
Just wondering if others have tipping parameters and where they lie. Handimen, my hair guy, servers, delivery folks - I'm in.
I'm not even sure my own boundaries are set.
(and out of curiosity - is someone employed by a restaurant not paid minimum wage, or are the anticipated tips factored in to their rate?)
A few years back when I worked in restaurants it was $2.13/hr wage... so no, they dont usually get minimum wage.
Good questions Hedonist. I hate trying to figure out some of the grey areas of tipping. There never used to be a tip jar at Little Caesars Pizza or Dunkin Donuts. Now they have one. Those cases, I rarely tip. Im in and out and I know they get regular wages. I did, however tip the guy working on my car awhile back because he seemed like a good dude. And I had a guy tow my car that day too, and it was raining, so I gave him a few bucks, but normally I wouldnt think to tip a tow truck driver.
standard for years has been 15%, but now some places actually ask you for 20%.
look, for all the folks out there calling me a fucking scumbag for choosing not to tip for bad service.....in Canada we have something called minimum wage. it's the law. many professions make minimum wage, maybe they don't serve to your face, but they had a hand in your dining experience. the hostess, the cook, the prep cook, the dish guy, the guy who mops the fucking floors. do they get tips? NO. except the kitchen staff, who MIGHT get 10%, and that's a big fucking IF. She makes $100. The entire kitchen splits $10. Yeah, that's fair.
I tip if the service was good. I tip well if the service/food was exceptional. if the service is bad, I tip poorly or not at all. who the fuck gives a bonus to someone who performs shitty at their job? this sense of entitlement is disgusting.
case and point: last saturday we went to this old pub/restaurant and had a party of about 20 people to celebrate my Mom's birthday. The bill came to $700 for the food and my Dad paid for it. All the drinks were the responsibility of those that attended. The waitress didn't prepare the food. She didn't even bring it out. So when my Dad punched in $60 for the tip, the bartender said "oh, I'm sorry, but it's our policy that for parties over 8 that tip is 15%". My dad was never told this, and the manager came by and confirmed that he wasn't told this, so it's fine. The fucking bitch of a waitress came up to my Dad and had the gall to say "you don't think we were worth 15%??" TWICE. THAT, my friends, is disgusting behaviour. You take your tip and you smile. She was the shittiest waitress I have ever had. And I'm figured out why: she was banking on getting her 15% of the food bill without having to do anything. She was getting her tips from the drinks too. She deserved fucking nothing in my opinion. My wife and I got so tired of waiting for her to come around we walked up to the bar to get a glass of wine and a water. She ran up to us and said she'd bring it to us. She never fucking did. So I went up to the bar again and got my water, and my wife caught the waitress and cancelled the wine, as we were leaving. She just said "ok", with no "oh, I'm sorry I forgot". Nothing.
So I'm supposed to give her 15% tip for a fucking miserable experience and for doing nothing? how the fuck does that make any sense?
Only thing she deserved was a pink slip.
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That's despicable!
This city girl started using the service when our local grocery stores were on strike a few years ago. Now with my back shit, the four buck delivery fee and tips to the nice men and women who haul up bags of cat litter and bottles of water and other heavy items...totally worth it, and I am thankful for it.
HFD, agreed that was fucked up. A tip is a gratuity.
Good establishments pay positions differently. In the places I worked that did very well... our head cooks and head bartenders were paid more per hour. Further, a sound tip pool policy was established where everyone received something. The restaurant I referred to in another post had waiters pay 4% of their sales to tip pool. With this scenario, I paid $40 on $1000 sales. These funds were then distibuted by a set formula.
Sounds as if you are capable of tipping very well when appropriate: so that removes you from the scumbag category. The scumbag category is reserved for the people that do not leave anything at any time. Now... with that said... scumbag is a little harsh. I prefer 'cheap prick'.
There are times when tipping might not be appropriate given the level of service. I tip regardless, but there have been times when I have not received very good service (10% and only 10% in these cases... 20% or more every other time). I am an extrem though: I don't expect everyone to share this same personal philosophy. I understand a waiter or waitress needs to earn the tips they receive.
The dining experience you describe leaves a lot to be desired. I'm in agreement with you regarding your sentiments. Your waitress won't last very long doing what she is doing.
One thing about the 'built-in-gratuity': it's fair if the server does their job. The tip is 'built-in' because the server sacrifices turning tables while their section- or a portion of it- becomes reserved: limiting opportunities for making any other sales and any other tips. Too often, from my memory, large parties meant separate cheques and very small tips. Enthusiasm for taking a party was very low from all servers. When I served tables, this policy was not in place; but given what I remember... I know why it was implemented.
yes, I understand why the built in gratuity is used, as you said. But if the server does the absolute bare minimum knowing they are getting their big tip anyway, well I just might have to speak to the manager about it.
the entitlement attitude that is being displayed here by many people is just part and parcel of what our society has become, and something my parents absolutely despise, and it's starting to piss me off too. Everyone wants a fucking hand out without doing anything. A tip is something to be earned, not expected. it used to be given for exceptional food and/or service, not just someone bringing you your food.
and the idea that wait staff need tips to live on so therefore I'm obligated to support them, well I'm sorry, I got by just fine on my minimum wage job living on my own with no tips and didn't expect hand outs from anyone. you choose your profession, and people choose these jobs for the tips. so with that comes the risk of not getting them. there are risks and benefits to all of life's decisions.
if you serve me a shitty sandwich with a bitchy attitude you deserve nothing but the amount that comes on my bill.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Hedonist; I'm with you. I find myself fumbling at times, wondering if I'm supposed to tip for this service or that one -- especially in other countries. I don't want to come off as another American jerk so I usually tip on the generous side and at times of doubt as well. Also, i need to do a bit of research as it's been told to me that some countries find tipping offensive. Really?
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Hugh, it's not fair to paint all servers with the 'entitlement' brush. Shitty servers have been the minority in my experience. Most are very friendly and work very hard to meet our needs while dining. It's a custom to tip and built into the profession. People wouldn't serve if tips weren't a part of the job. The ones that would... you wouldn't want serving you. If a server is terrible... I can understand why someone wouldn't leave a tip. If the server is honest with themselves, they should understand why things went the way they did.
Why has this even become a point of contention though? This is teeny weeny small money compared to some of the other professions that truly feel a sense of entitlement- and stick it to you big time.
You want to know what bugs me? What is with a real estate commission? You want to talk easy money? Holy shit, man. You de-clutter your house, remodel, paint, and shine the place like no other. They get some dude to put a sign up, get a photographer to take pictures, and then show your house to people that phone and ask them to see the place. People have to buy a house so there is a sale in there somewhere. Once that sale is made... a secretary back at the office photocopies documents, people sit and sign, the realtor directs to a notary and bam. Big cash.
Don't get me started with lawyers.
Waiters and waitresses? Let's direct our frustrations where they truly belong.
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request a cinder blocks from them and they will remove them from their wall?
i am going to see about this delivery groceries business. i do know they have a pharmacy here that delivers your drugs to you. all delivery cars are volkswagon beatles painted up like ladybugs...
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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I think it's a great idea, actually - to start up a similar company or work for one. Those kids (I use the term loosely) earn every penny they make!