Too cheap to tip? Blame Obama!

JimmyV

So pathetic. This yahoo had the cash to eat out, just not to tip. And it is the President's fault.


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LIBERTY!

cincybearcat

I do wonder, when did tips become a mandatory thing instead of just for good service above and beyond?

I've always tipped and never really thought about it much, but I wonder how the evolution of the tip went.

JimmyV

I think they are more expected than mandatory. We do still have the option to leave nothing, but the expectation is always that we will leave something. I admit, I find it hard to leave nothing even if the service has been bad. I am a sucker for a cute bartender.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

cincybearcat wrote:

I do wonder, when did tips become a mandatory thing instead of just for good service above and beyond?

I've always tipped and never really thought about it much, but I wonder how the evolution of the tip went.

I was once a cook. I found it insulting that I got a mere 10% of the wait staff's tips, and that was also on the honour system. If I made an awesome meal, and she was in a bad mood and got no tip, I still got nothing.

If the waitress is great, but the meal sucked, I'll still give a tip knowing the waitress gets most of it anyway.

If the food was great and the wait staff sucked, I'll ask for the manager and give it to them to give to the cook.

If both sucked I leave nothing. A tip is for exceptional food and exceptional service. Not just doing the minimum.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

JimmyV wrote:

So pathetic. This yahoo had the cash to eat out, just not to tip. And it is the President's fault.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/0 ... Weird+News

LIBERTY!

so eating out is not considered discretionary spending? what a maroon.

MotoDC

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I do wonder, when did tips become a mandatory thing instead of just for good service above and beyond?

I've always tipped and never really thought about it much, but I wonder how the evolution of the tip went.

I was once a cook. I found it insulting that I got a mere 10% of the wait staff's tips, and that was also on the honour system. If I made an awesome meal, and she was in a bad mood and got no tip, I still got nothing.

If the waitress is great, but the meal sucked, I'll still give a tip knowing the waitress gets most of it anyway.

If the food was great and the wait staff sucked, I'll ask for the manager and give it to them to give to the cook.

If both sucked I leave nothing. A tip is for exceptional food and exceptional service. Not just doing the minimum.

Thanks for the insight from the inside. You've really left no tip before? Don't think I could do that unless the server was unimaginably rude or combative and the food was unpalatable.

JimmyV

The only time I can recall leaving nothing was in Montreal a few years ago. The waiter, who had been AWFUL, actually approached and complained that I had not left him enough! I asked for it back and left. Still burns me all these years later.

I did not, of course, try to blame George W. Bush.

dimitrispearljam

lame

EdsonNascimento

JimmyV wrote:

I think they are more expected than mandatory. We do still have the option to leave nothing, but the expectation is always that we will leave something. I admit, I find it hard to leave nothing even if the service has been bad. I am a sucker for a cute bartender.

Agreed. And when you realize waiters/waitresses are paid very low wages - legally below minimum wages in some cases - with the expectation of tips to "fill the jar," it's even clearer.

However, I don't think anyone would say if you have terrible service you CAN'T NOT (yes, double negative) leave a tip. Though, the better thing to do is leave a buck (never done this myself as the tip is for more than JUST the waiter, but the logic is the message is clearer that you didn't simply forget, you are grading the service). My answer to poor service is never go to that place again. That I have done.

hedonist

I figure if I can't (not won't) tip, I probably won't partake of the service. However, good point cincy made on it being a given these days.

By the way, just had some groceries delivered including several heavy items - these folks always get a healthy tip from us.

(plus, being nice goes a long way)

Hugh Freaking Dillon

MotoDC wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I do wonder, when did tips become a mandatory thing instead of just for good service above and beyond?

I've always tipped and never really thought about it much, but I wonder how the evolution of the tip went.

I was once a cook. I found it insulting that I got a mere 10% of the wait staff's tips, and that was also on the honour system. If I made an awesome meal, and she was in a bad mood and got no tip, I still got nothing.

If the waitress is great, but the meal sucked, I'll still give a tip knowing the waitress gets most of it anyway.

If the food was great and the wait staff sucked, I'll ask for the manager and give it to them to give to the cook.

If both sucked I leave nothing. A tip is for exceptional food and exceptional service. Not just doing the minimum.

Thanks for the insight from the inside. You've really left no tip before? Don't think I could do that unless the server was unimaginably rude or combative and the food was unpalatable.

I tip the usual 15% if the service and food is good. But yes, I've left no tip before. Why would you give someone a bonus when they aren't doing their job? it doesn't happen in any other field of work, why would this one be the exception?

Once the service was SO bad (and rude-if it's just bad, I take into account how busy it is, how the cooks might be slow, maybe they are short staffed and it's not her fault, etc) I left a penny. I know waitresses take that as a HUGE insult, and I wanted to get the message across.

MotoDC

HFD wrote:

Why would you give someone a bonus when they aren't doing their job? it doesn't happen in any other field of work, why would this one be the exception?

Haha, I have no idea. I just can't help it. Liberal guilt? Look I was sorta able to blame Obama! Hooray to me for staying on topic.

JimmyV

I see bankrupt corporations paying about bonuses to upper management all the time. It does seem to happen in those industries.

EdsonNascimento

JimmyV wrote:

I see bankrupt corporations paying about bonuses to upper management all the time. It does seem to happen in those industries.

Jack Lew's million dollar bonus comes to mind. See? I kept it on topic, too.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

JimmyV wrote:

I see bankrupt corporations paying about bonuses to upper management all the time. It does seem to happen in those industries.

but I'm not an idiot corporation that pats people on the back for failing.

Flutter Girl

I've only not tipped once..I didn't pay at all..Just walked out. The place was dead, there were only 5 customers (should have been a warning), and there were at least that many waiters, yet we sat for 20 minutes just waiting to get a menu..when the food did finally get out there after about 45 minutes, it was terrible like it had been under a heat lamp for hours..The waitress was rude to top it off. We didn't eat so I told the manager flatly, I'm not paying for this, it's terrible, and we walked out..He didn't even contest it..he knew I was right. I honestly don't know how that place is still open.

push me and i will resist

I do not tip, not ever.

aerial

I always tip...but have you noticed everyone has a tip jar now, cashiers, food stands, etc. I don't tip unless I am being served food.

comebackgirl

I think servers are only paid a little over $2/hour so I always tip...it's pretty much a part of their salary. I tip for other services (hair stylist, furniture delivery, food delivery, housekeeping at a hotel, etc). I don't usually tip in those tip jars at Starbucks, etc unless I've asked for a complicated kind of drink.

push me and i will resist

aerial wrote:

I always tip...but have you noticed everyone has a tip jar now, cashiers, food stands, etc. I don't tip unless I am being served food.

So you tip at a macdonalds or Arby's? They are serving you food just the same
What if you order a pizza but go and pick it up? Do you tip there or only of they deliver, on top of their delivery charge

aerial

push me and i will resist wrote:

aerial wrote:

I always tip...but have you noticed everyone has a tip jar now, cashiers, food stands, etc. I don't tip unless I am being served food.

So you tip at a macdonalds or Arby's? They are serving you food just the same
What if you order a pizza but go and pick it up? Do you tip there or only of they deliver, on top of their delivery charge

I do tip any delivery because they mainly work for tips....I do not tip if I order and stand there and they hand it to me in a bag....when I am at a table and served I tip always even if the service is bad .I tip very well if service is what is expected or great..

hedonist

I love our tip justifications :P

All this tip talk made me think of the Seinfeld when George was trying to replace an answering machine tape, and his desist code to Jerry was "tippy toe!"

otter

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tvismyfriend

I don't think Canada has the same waiters and waitresses make less than minimum wage thing. I've never been a waiter or waitress, so I can't confirm this, but they should make minimum wage like everyone else and in push me's territory that's about $10 an hour. Throw in tips and they're possibly making around $15 an hour.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

no one by law in canada can make less than minimum. so the wait staff doesn't deserve more money by default just by profession in my opinion. the tip is a bonus if they are exceptional.

push me and i will resist

Thanks pal, sounds like you have my back here.

push me and i will resist

Ok Otter here we go, ding ding.
1.no dork here
2.i will stay home thanks
3.not sure what the fair share song is
4. I'm not an Obama worshiper, I live in Canada
5. I don't tip, so fucking what

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DS1119

If someone wants to make their own personal statement by not tipping, that's their right. There is no law mandating tipping and there is no law punishing non tippers. The server can find another job if they don't like it. If someone chooses to try and make a living based off of gratuities they need to realize not everyone will subscribe to that. Also, they need to be prepared that as the government tries to tighten the noose around it's citizen's financial necks, especially the citizen's with the disposable income to eat out regularly, this may become more common place. For me, if it gets to the point where I really need to monitor my spending the first place I will cut spending is tipping. I still get the same goods I want, but I have also spent less of my money at the same time.

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

If someone wants to make their own personal statement by not tipping, that's their right. There is no law mandating tipping and there is no law punishing non tippers. The server can find another job if they don't like it. If someone chooses to try and make a living based off of gratuities they need to realize not everyone will subscribe to that. Also, they need to be prepared that as the government tries to tighten the noose around it's citizen's financial necks, especially the citizen's with the disposable income to eat out regularly, this may become more common place. For me, if it gets to the point where I really need to monitor my spending the first place I will cut spending is tipping. I still get the same goods I want, but I have also spent less of my money at the same time.

I see where you're coming from, but morally I just couldn't do it. I'd cut something else before cutting out tips.

That's just me though

DS1119

peacefrompaul wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

If someone wants to make their own personal statement by not tipping, that's their right. There is no law mandating tipping and there is no law punishing non tippers. The server can find another job if they don't like it. If someone chooses to try and make a living based off of gratuities they need to realize not everyone will subscribe to that. Also, they need to be prepared that as the government tries to tighten the noose around it's citizen's financial necks, especially the citizen's with the disposable income to eat out regularly, this may become more common place. For me, if it gets to the point where I really need to monitor my spending the first place I will cut spending is tipping. I still get the same goods I want, but I have also spent less of my money at the same time.

I see where you're coming from, but morally I just couldn't do it. I'd cut something else before cutting out tips.

That's just me though

And that's your right to do so.


I find it ironic that liberal thinkers fully supported the Occupy Wall Street movement trying to take away people's rights to earn a living but when one individual here makes a statement it's a tragedy and they are a scumbag. Interesting. :?

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

If someone wants to make their own personal statement by not tipping, that's their right. There is no law mandating tipping and there is no law punishing non tippers. The server can find another job if they don't like it. If someone chooses to try and make a living based off of gratuities they need to realize not everyone will subscribe to that. Also, they need to be prepared that as the government tries to tighten the noose around it's citizen's financial necks, especially the citizen's with the disposable income to eat out regularly, this may become more common place. For me, if it gets to the point where I really need to monitor my spending the first place I will cut spending is tipping. I still get the same goods I want, but I have also spent less of my money at the same time.

I see where you're coming from, but morally I just couldn't do it. I'd cut something else before cutting out tips.

That's just me though

And that's your right to do so.


I find it ironic that liberal thinkers fully supported the Occupy Wall Street movement trying to take away people's rights to earn a living but when one individual here makes a statement it's a tragedy and they are a scumbag. Interesting. :?

Occupy had a lot of potential but was just fucked in the end... I did enjoy some of the quarrels between anarchist occupiers and the liberal occupiers.

Twitter was a really fun time last year.