Catholic Church up to the same old sh*t

backseatLover12

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

PJ_Soul said:

backseatLover12 said:

Frank doesn't have to accept Gays. So drop the whole thing about only saying what he has to say to get people back. You obvious have strong hate for the organization so it's doubtful that you'll say anything fair about Frank nor the Church. Your hatred shows.

I don't try to hide my hatred for organized religion, so I should hope that it does show. Who said anything about gays?? What is your problem?

You're an angry person. Debating an angry person refusing to see the other side is completely pointless.

I'm not an angry person at all.
I see the other side. I just don't see it the same way you do.

Do you really need me to go back and quote the angry and hateful posts in this thread? And NO; you refuse to see another side.

backseatLover12

rgambs said:

i don't know PJ_Soul, but i've seen that ducky all over the forum and i certainly wouldn't say she/he is an angry person at all.

It's easy to get heated with a topic like religion though, the pendulum throws.

>:)

Easy to get heated with religion? Not if you let people believe what they want to believe. Then it does not cause friction, or any emotion at all. Rather, indifference. Because people can believe what they want. It doesn't involve you.

rgambs

backseatlover i want to agree with this:

"Easy to get heated with religion? Not if you let people believe what they want to believe. Then it does not cause friction, or any emotion at all. Rather, indifference. Because people can believe what they want. It doesn't involve you."

but i just can't for this reason

religion is, in millions of cases, conferred upon a child before the age of reason! estimates of tens of thousands of molested children is really scary. it is scary also when you think about millions of people who will further transfer dangerous ideas (racism, jihad, crusade, inquisition, martyrdom, priestly abstinence, female inferiority, etc) into children who cannot decide for themselves.

Can you see where it becomes a collective problem for society? How it will involve me even if i don't participate?
we have to root out these evils from their deep corners in fear and superstition and allow the compassionate philosophies to stand on their own ground

backseatLover12

Collective problem? Yes. Individual problem? Moreso than a collective. Why? Because it's up to parents what faith, if any, they choose to believe in and have their children learn and follow their faith. It is up to them to leave. Collectively, we are not responsible for those who stay with their faith, had they done them wrong. That said, the priests guilty should be dealt with accordingly, not transferred to another parish. It is in this mind frame that we think we can get angry and change what's happening because they are committing crimes. But you and me can do jack shit. That's up to the law and the Vatican. Getting all stressed out and angry at something we can't control? Absolutely stupid.

rgambs

"Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will."
Frederick Douglass

Thirty Bills Unpaid

backseatLover12 said:

Collective problem? Yes. Individual problem? Moreso than a collective. Why? Because it's up to parents what faith, if any, they choose to believe in and have their children learn and follow their faith. It is up to them to leave. Collectively, we are not responsible for those who stay with their faith, had they done them wrong. That said, the priests guilty should be dealt with accordingly, not transferred to another parish. It is in this mind frame that we think we can get angry and change what's happening because they are committing crimes. But you and me can do jack shit. That's up to the law and the Vatican. Getting all stressed out and angry at something we can't control? Absolutely stupid.

Easier said than done.

As RG stated, the cycle perpetuates itself with brainwashed parents delivering their children early to the church for the next generation. Impressionable minds become fully indoctrinated and afterwards... it's difficult to simply 'leave' after being programmed so strongly.

And nobody on here is really 'stressed out'. This aspect of life is merely another shameful facet of life like any other discussed on the MT. Speaking about it is positive and helps create awareness. The RC Church would love nothing more than the public to never speak of the corruption and criminal conduct within the sham they promote.

backseatLover12

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Collective problem? Yes. Individual problem? Moreso than a collective. Why? Because it's up to parents what faith, if any, they choose to believe in and have their children learn and follow their faith. It is up to them to leave. Collectively, we are not responsible for those who stay with their faith, had they done them wrong. That said, the priests guilty should be dealt with accordingly, not transferred to another parish. It is in this mind frame that we think we can get angry and change what's happening because they are committing crimes. But you and me can do jack shit. That's up to the law and the Vatican. Getting all stressed out and angry at something we can't control? Absolutely stupid.

Easier said than done.

As RG stated, the cycle perpetuates itself with brainwashed parents delivering their children early to the church for the next generation. Impressionable minds become fully indoctrinated and afterwards... it's difficult to simply 'leave' after being programmed so strongly.

And nobody on here is really 'stressed out'. This aspect of life is merely another shameful facet of life like any other discussed on the MT. Speaking about it is positive and helps create awareness. The RC Church would love nothing more than the public to never speak of the corruption and criminal conduct within the sham they promote.

As for your first point, I come from a very Catholic family. Out of the five of us kids going to catholic school for several years, all of us "brainwashed" kids have left the church. Only one left in the last two years, and that was due to the church interfering with Catholic businesses refusing to provide birth control in their benefits package. And her 2 oldest kids who also went to catholic school? Nope, they now refuse to go to church. So I don't know about this so-called brainwashed kids, unable to leave. Are you thinking of the republican mind frame, rather? thinking...

People here may not be stressed out, but boy do they put an awful lot of energy into being pissed off. Nothing wrong with that, except the negative energy one must live with, since there are some things we cannot control. Talk is always good. Getting upset about things? Eh. I do agree with your last statement however. It's good to talk, but to get all angst-ridden? That's the big question.

rgambs

"Angst leads to art"
Me, right now.

no really though i agree about positivity in your life but pearl jam doesn't exist outside of the social struggle of the world. how many of eddies lyrics are angst ridden, angry even.

sometimes it's worth it to get mad as hell and say that's enough!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

backseatLover12 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Collective problem? Yes. Individual problem? Moreso than a collective. Why? Because it's up to parents what faith, if any, they choose to believe in and have their children learn and follow their faith. It is up to them to leave. Collectively, we are not responsible for those who stay with their faith, had they done them wrong. That said, the priests guilty should be dealt with accordingly, not transferred to another parish. It is in this mind frame that we think we can get angry and change what's happening because they are committing crimes. But you and me can do jack shit. That's up to the law and the Vatican. Getting all stressed out and angry at something we can't control? Absolutely stupid.

Easier said than done.

As RG stated, the cycle perpetuates itself with brainwashed parents delivering their children early to the church for the next generation. Impressionable minds become fully indoctrinated and afterwards... it's difficult to simply 'leave' after being programmed so strongly.

And nobody on here is really 'stressed out'. This aspect of life is merely another shameful facet of life like any other discussed on the MT. Speaking about it is positive and helps create awareness. The RC Church would love nothing more than the public to never speak of the corruption and criminal conduct within the sham they promote.

As for your first point, I come from a very Catholic family. Out of the five of us kids going to catholic school for several years, all of us "brainwashed" kids have left the church. Only one left in the last two years, and that was due to the church interfering with Catholic businesses refusing to provide birth control in their benefits package. And her 2 oldest kids who also went to catholic school? Nope, they now refuse to go to church. So I don't know about this so-called brainwashed kids, unable to leave. Are you thinking of the republican mind frame, rather? thinking...

People here may not be stressed out, but boy do they put an awful lot of energy into being pissed off. Nothing wrong with that, except the negative energy one must live with, since there are some things we cannot control. Talk is always good. Getting upset about things? Eh. I do agree with your last statement however. It's good to talk, but to get all angst-ridden? That's the big question.

Well...

I never really spoke in absolutes. I said leaving your religion was far easier said than done. Give yourself and your family some credit- there are countless others that cannot do what you have done given the strength of their faith (or level of brainwashing).

Don't tell me that the decision to abandon your faith/church/religion was an 'easy' thing to do. I know of some who have broken free of their religions and this was not easily done!

backseatLover12

rgambs said:

"Angst leads to art"
Me, right now.

no really though i agree about positivity in your life but pearl jam doesn't exist outside of the social struggle of the world. how many of eddies lyrics are angst ridden, angry even.

sometimes it's worth it to get mad as hell and say that's enough!

Touche' Dude. I just mean getting all upset about the Church, and letting it stress you out. If you have no outlet for that angst, it just makes one miserable.

backseatLover12

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Collective problem? Yes. Individual problem? Moreso than a collective. Why? Because it's up to parents what faith, if any, they choose to believe in and have their children learn and follow their faith. It is up to them to leave. Collectively, we are not responsible for those who stay with their faith, had they done them wrong. That said, the priests guilty should be dealt with accordingly, not transferred to another parish. It is in this mind frame that we think we can get angry and change what's happening because they are committing crimes. But you and me can do jack shit. That's up to the law and the Vatican. Getting all stressed out and angry at something we can't control? Absolutely stupid.

Easier said than done.

As RG stated, the cycle perpetuates itself with brainwashed parents delivering their children early to the church for the next generation. Impressionable minds become fully indoctrinated and afterwards... it's difficult to simply 'leave' after being programmed so strongly.

And nobody on here is really 'stressed out'. This aspect of life is merely another shameful facet of life like any other discussed on the MT. Speaking about it is positive and helps create awareness. The RC Church would love nothing more than the public to never speak of the corruption and criminal conduct within the sham they promote.

As for your first point, I come from a very Catholic family. Out of the five of us kids going to catholic school for several years, all of us "brainwashed" kids have left the church. Only one left in the last two years, and that was due to the church interfering with Catholic businesses refusing to provide birth control in their benefits package. And her 2 oldest kids who also went to catholic school? Nope, they now refuse to go to church. So I don't know about this so-called brainwashed kids, unable to leave. Are you thinking of the republican mind frame, rather? thinking...

People here may not be stressed out, but boy do they put an awful lot of energy into being pissed off. Nothing wrong with that, except the negative energy one must live with, since there are some things we cannot control. Talk is always good. Getting upset about things? Eh. I do agree with your last statement however. It's good to talk, but to get all angst-ridden? That's the big question.

Well...

I never really spoke in absolutes. I said leaving your religion was far easier said than done. Give yourself and your family some credit- there are countless others that cannot do what you have done given the strength of their faith (or level of brainwashing).

Don't tell me that the decision to abandon your faith/church/religion was an 'easy' thing to do. I know of some who have broken free of their religions and this was not easily done!

Do you know someone who's suffering? That's what I gather from your post.

For me? The decision to leave a religion was quite easy, as easy as leaving for college and never having to go to mass again. My belief in a higher power is still there, but not in any man-made religion. It's difficult for my elderly parents to grasp, but everything in life is a choice. Unless you belong to a cult, which is entirely different than a religion. Cults take away all choices from their members.

PJ_Soul

"....the Pope said "no-one else has done more" to root out paedophilia.

He said the Church had acted with transparency and responsibility...."



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26448075

callen

backseatLover12 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

backseatLover12 said:

Collective problem? Yes. Individual problem? Moreso than a collective. Why? Because it's up to parents what faith, if any, they choose to believe in and have their children learn and follow their faith. It is up to them to leave. Collectively, we are not responsible for those who stay with their faith, had they done them wrong. That said, the priests guilty should be dealt with accordingly, not transferred to another parish. It is in this mind frame that we think we can get angry and change what's happening because they are committing crimes. But you and me can do jack shit. That's up to the law and the Vatican. Getting all stressed out and angry at something we can't control? Absolutely stupid.

Easier said than done.

As RG stated, the cycle perpetuates itself with brainwashed parents delivering their children early to the church for the next generation. Impressionable minds become fully indoctrinated and afterwards... it's difficult to simply 'leave' after being programmed so strongly.

And nobody on here is really 'stressed out'. This aspect of life is merely another shameful facet of life like any other discussed on the MT. Speaking about it is positive and helps create awareness. The RC Church would love nothing more than the public to never speak of the corruption and criminal conduct within the sham they promote.

As for your first point, I come from a very Catholic family. Out of the five of us kids going to catholic school for several years, all of us "brainwashed" kids have left the church. Only one left in the last two years, and that was due to the church interfering with Catholic businesses refusing to provide birth control in their benefits package. And her 2 oldest kids who also went to catholic school? Nope, they now refuse to go to church. So I don't know about this so-called brainwashed kids, unable to leave. Are you thinking of the republican mind frame, rather? thinking...

People here may not be stressed out, but boy do they put an awful lot of energy into being pissed off. Nothing wrong with that, except the negative energy one must live with, since there are some things we cannot control. Talk is always good. Getting upset about things? Eh. I do agree with your last statement however. It's good to talk, but to get all angst-ridden? That's the big question.

Well...

I never really spoke in absolutes. I said leaving your religion was far easier said than done. Give yourself and your family some credit- there are countless others that cannot do what you have done given the strength of their faith (or level of brainwashing).

Don't tell me that the decision to abandon your faith/church/religion was an 'easy' thing to do. I know of some who have broken free of their religions and this was not easily done!

Do you know someone who's suffering? That's what I gather from your post.

For me? The decision to leave a religion was quite easy, as easy as leaving for college and never having to go to mass again. My belief in a higher power is still there, but not in any man-made religion. It's difficult for my elderly parents to grasp, but everything in life is a choice. Unless you belong to a cult, which is entirely different than a religion. Cults take away all choices from their members.

Its an old overused saying but the only difference between cult and religeon is the number of members. Do you consider Morman's to be a cult..they take away alot of choices...and heck how about Catholics..they are pretty controlling and with the dirt on their faces?

PJ_Soul

I completely agree that the only difference between cults and so-called legit religions is the number of members.

chadwick

http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
nice, real frickin nice
still haven't read what i am searching for... yeah it gets even better
read "native peoples" for sure
read the whole thing actually
i guess there is video at the bottom as well

i am looking for where the catholic church mutilated choir boys... you know, chopping/cutting off their genitals to keep them higher pitch singers from going through puberty... this is a fact & i'll find it. we learned this in music appreciation class

chadwick

under the 'music' section of link below

"In Europe, when women were not permitted to sing in church or cathedral choirs in the Roman Catholic Church, boys were castrated to prevent their voices breaking at puberty and to develop a special high voice. The first documents mentioning castrati are Italian church records from the 1550s.[137] In the baroque and classical music eras these singers were highly appreciated by opera composers as well. Mozart's Exultate Jubilate, Allegri's Miserere and other famous pieces from this period now sung by sopranos and countertenors were written for castrati. Some of the alto parts of Handel's Messiah were first sung by a castrato. Famous castrati include Farinelli, Senesino, Carestini, and Caffarelli. The last castrato was Alessandro Moreschi (1858–1922) who served in the Sistine Chapel Choir.[138] It was not until the late 19th century that the Roman Catholic Church officially condemned the production of castrati."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration

sick stuff... good going roman catholic church
sistine chapel... has a very dark & nasty history

the disgusting ways of man never cease to amaze

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

"....the Pope said "no-one else has done more" to root out paedophilia.

He said the Church had acted with transparency and responsibility...."



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26448075

it would be an informative, accurate statement the pope made, iiiiffff he had said "no-one else has done more to root out pedophilia among an organization that fosters pedophilia"

pope frank has done nothing. they haven't even declared the scope and breadth of the investigation, none of the administrative work has been settled so the proper investigation has not yet even begun.

JWPearl

This thread is shocking, things that are going on! It reminds me of how a scripture says God will put into the hearts of politians and use them to turn against them and devour them. Apparently the end of false religion..and a starting sign to the times of the end...but then they will turn against God and his people, but hey thats just what the bible says...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

JWPearl said:

This thread is shocking, things that are going on! It reminds me of how a scripture says God will put into the hearts of politians and use them to turn against them and devour them. Apparently the end of false religion..and a starting sign to the times of the end...but then they will turn against God and his people, but hey thats just what the bible says...

Instead of doing that, I wish he would come down from that cloud he sits on with some winged angels and a few apostles and tell us all to behave.

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

JWPearl said:

This thread is shocking, things that are going on! It reminds me of how a scripture says God will put into the hearts of politians and use them to turn against them and devour them. Apparently the end of false religion..and a starting sign to the times of the end...but then they will turn against God and his people, but hey thats just what the bible says...

Instead of doing that, I wish he would come down from that cloud he sits on with some winged angels and a few apostles and tell us all to behave.

I wish that whether or not someone believes in god, they would just know (or learn, be taught?) to be decent to others.

It seems so simple to me.