Catholic Church up to the same old sh*t

PJ_Soul

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20957406

Catholic Church in Germany drops sex abuse inquiry


The Roman Catholic Church in Germany has terminated an independent inquiry it commissioned into sexual abuse by clergy, citing a breakdown in trust.

It said that bishops' trust in Prof Christian Pfeiffer, head of the Lower Saxony Criminological Research Institute, had been "destroyed".

Prof Pfeiffer accused the Church of obstructing his team's work by seeking to control the investigation.

The Church said a new inquiry would be commissioned with a different partner.

Bishops approached the institute in 2011 after a wave of revelations about sexual abuse broke and tens of thousands of Catholics deserted the Church.

Hundreds of people had come forward to say they were abused as minors between the 1950s and 1980s, amid suspicion the crimes were concealed.

Pope Benedict XVI, the German-born head of the Catholic Church, met victims when he visited Germany in 2011, and abuse survivors have been offered financial compensation.

'Censorship'

Prof Pfeiffer went public about his concerns, telling German media that Church officials had hampered his team's research efforts by continually intervening.

Speaking to the German national broadcaster ZDF, he accused the Church of seeking to censor the research and trying to dictate the make-up of his team.

"We were meant to submit everything for approval," the professor said.

His team consisted of retired prosecutors and judges and was allowed access to personnel records on Church employees going back more than a decade, the German broadcaster Deutsche Welle reports.

The German Bishops' Conference announced that it had ended its co-operation with Prof Pfeiffer's institute.

"The relationship of mutual trust between the bishops and the head of the institute has been destroyed," the Bishop of Trier, Stephan Ackermann, said.

"Trust is vital for such an extensive project dealing with such a sensitive issue."

About 34% of Germans are officially Roman Catholic, according to recent figures.

Meanwhile, I can't watch TV for more than 15 minutes without seeing one of these new "Come Home to the Catholic Church" ads that are begging those people who left the Church because of all the corruption and covering up of sexual abuse to come "home" to the Church because it's a whole new and wonderful and fulfilling era. :evil: Fuck you, Catholic Church. What a load of corrupt bullshit. Sorry, but I don't understand how people can keep following this Church in good conscience. I understand faith and everything, but how can people continue to follow the Vatican or listen to what they have to say or decree anymore?!?

JonnyPistachio

They're going to have to resort to begging people to join after the reputation in the last few years.

PJ_Soul

JonnyPistachio wrote:

They're going to have to resort to begging people to join after the reputation in the last few years.

Yeah... right now they're only begging the people who left to come back (now why would anyone do that?? Just because of their manipulative ads?). You're right, they're going to have to start begging the truly ignorant soon - those who just don't know anything about how corrupted they are. So people who are isolated from any kind of media?? Or just plain stupid people.

81

if i've said it once, i've said it a million times


it's a cess pool....shut it down.

hedonist

81 wrote:

if i've said it once, i've said it a million times


it's a cess pool....shut it down.

Some of it is.

But why not address the issues within, and try to have them corrected, rather than the shut-down view? The problem will still be there, but swept moreso under the rug.

I don't want more of these fuckers around, unfettered.

As a sidenote...what about the Boy Scouts? And teachers sexually abusing their students? (this is in no way meant to offend our resident teachers here - you're stand-up people to me; but there've been an alarming number of instances here lately).

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

81 wrote:

if i've said it once, i've said it a million times


it's a cess pool....shut it down.

Some of it is.

But why not address the issues within, and try to have them corrected, rather than the shut-down view? The problem will still be there, but swept moreso under the rug.

I don't want more of these fuckers around, unfettered.

As a sidenote...what about the Boy Scouts? And teachers sexually abusing their students? (this is in no way meant to offend our resident teachers here - you're stand-up people to me; but there've been an alarming number of instances here lately).

I think the issues are WAY too deep and ingrained to be able to correct them. I think a shut-down would be the only solution.
I don't know about the numbers as far as teachers go, but that is a whole different issue, because there is no cover up whatsoever when it comes to teachers abusing students. As for the Boy Scouts... the entire administration should be fired. Luckily, they aren't a religion, so the issues within that organization could easily be fixed by getting rid of the old guard and revamping the Scouts. I also think that something should be done about troop leader selection. Perhaps only allow parents of active scouts to perform that duty or something. That would at least cut down on the creepy pedophiles who lead troops and don't even have any kids of their own.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Some of it is.

But why not address the issues within, and try to have them corrected, rather than the shut-down view? The problem will still be there, but swept moreso under the rug.

I don't want more of these fuckers around, unfettered.

As a sidenote...what about the Boy Scouts? And teachers sexually abusing their students? (this is in no way meant to offend our resident teachers here - you're stand-up people to me; but there've been an alarming number of instances here lately).

I think the issues are WAY too deep and ingrained to be able to correct them. I think a shut-down would be the only solution.
I don't know about the numbers as far as teachers go, but that is a whole different issue, because there is no cover up whatsoever when it comes to teachers abusing students. As for the Boy Scouts... the entire administration should be fired. Luckily, they aren't a religion, so the issues within that organization could easily be fixed by getting rid of the old guard and revamping the Scouts. I also think that something should be done about troop leader selection. Perhaps only allow parents of active scouts to perform that duty or something. That would at least cut down on the creepy pedophiles who lead troops and don't even have any kids of their own.

But then what does the shut-down do? What would it solve?

(and yes, teachers - like the peds in the CC - have been passed around...way too much)

Newch91

And people who I used to go to church with wonder why I haven't gone in years. It's because of this and me not agreeing with the Vatican that I don't go anymore. It's this same old shit that the Catholic Church does that makes me embarrassed to be a Catholic. Giving us a bad name.

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Some of it is.

But why not address the issues within, and try to have them corrected, rather than the shut-down view? The problem will still be there, but swept moreso under the rug.

I don't want more of these fuckers around, unfettered.

As a sidenote...what about the Boy Scouts? And teachers sexually abusing their students? (this is in no way meant to offend our resident teachers here - you're stand-up people to me; but there've been an alarming number of instances here lately).

I think the issues are WAY too deep and ingrained to be able to correct them. I think a shut-down would be the only solution.
I don't know about the numbers as far as teachers go, but that is a whole different issue, because there is no cover up whatsoever when it comes to teachers abusing students. As for the Boy Scouts... the entire administration should be fired. Luckily, they aren't a religion, so the issues within that organization could easily be fixed by getting rid of the old guard and revamping the Scouts. I also think that something should be done about troop leader selection. Perhaps only allow parents of active scouts to perform that duty or something. That would at least cut down on the creepy pedophiles who lead troops and don't even have any kids of their own.

But then what does the shut-down do? What would it solve?

(and yes, teachers - like the peds in the CC - have been passed around...way too much)

Really? Where I come from any teacher even accused of sexual abuse is practically crucified, and if they are proven to have done it they go to trial. Every time, no matter what. In the 70s and maybe even the 80s perhaps they got moved along, but not any more.

What would the shut down of the Catholic Church solve? It would cure the Earth of the the Catholic Church, for one.

fear4freedom

Humans will fail....and when they put themselves into a religion such as Catholicism...they set themselves up for failure. Religion is a big problem....but its man-made. Its not about a list of rules to follow, or attend a church on Sundays. They set rules for themselves that they could not live up to, and their flesh driven temptations led them to little boys, instead of women. They sought out the weak to prey on! This is why I never went to church, nor wanted to go. Then, I found a non-Denominational Christian church and when I did, it felt different. Its different because its not about religion or a church.....its about a relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Catholics dont have that relationship, therefore the child molesting priests didnt feel convicted from it. Once I realized the Holy Trinity is me inside of a triangle, God the father at the top, Jesus to the bottom left and the Holy Spirit to the bottom right, I began to realize that its all about me and my relationship with them 3. Everything else goes away....including all the man-made rules. I realized its just about that and the Bible and nothing else. Pray the prayer of salvation and become saved. Thats it....I dont have to do anything else. So I found simplicity and true meaningful relationships in non-Denominational Christianity. Noone else can take that away or redefine it! SIMPLE!

PJ_Soul

fear4freedom wrote:

Humans will fail....and when they put themselves into a religion such as Catholicism...they set themselves up for failure. Religion is a big problem....but its man-made. Its not about a list of rules to follow, or attend a church on Sundays. They set rules for themselves that they could not live up to, and their flesh driven temptations led them to little boys, instead of women. They sought out the weak to prey on! This is why I never went to church, nor wanted to go. Then, I found a non-Denominational Christian church and when I did, it felt different. Its different because its not about religion or a church.....its about a relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Catholics dont have that relationship, therefore the child molesting priests didnt feel convicted from it. Once I realized the Holy Trinity is me inside of a triangle, God the father at the top, Jesus to the bottom left and the Holy Spirit to the bottom right, I began to realize that its all about me and my relationship with them 3. Everything else goes away....including all the man-made rules. I realized its just about that and the Bible and nothing else. Pray the prayer of salvation and become saved. Thats it....I dont have to do anything else. So I found simplicity and true meaningful relationships in non-Denominational Christianity. Noone else can take that away or redefine it! SIMPLE!

That's very nice that you feel comfortable with your choice of religion.
But I don't think I agree with your reasoning as far as why so many Catholic priests have molested children. I think it's because of that Church's strange fixation on sex, which includes forbidding priests from having it. I think that pedophiles and men with other sexually deviant desires choose to devote their lives to the Church because they think that if they swear an oath of celibacy before God, they will be able to resist their urges. Of course, most of them can't, and we already know what the results are. However, I don't think any other Church would be any better at suppressing such urges, or that regular faithful Catholics feel a lesser degree of connection to Jesus. The reason that this problem is not prevalent in other churches is because other churches to make their leaders abstain from sex forever, and therefore do not draw desperate sickos attempting to control themselves. A pedophile would be no less likely to stop and be "cured" by your church as they would be by the Catholic Church (and Atheists certainly aren't more likely to commit evil acts either). So I don't think the connection to God or Jesus nurtured by the Catholic Church (or lack thereof) has anything to do with that particular problem.

That said, I should think that all of the POLITICS of the Catholic Church certainly interfere with any kind of true connection with pure faith, only because I find it hard to imagine how anyone can find that kind of connection with any God through a set of rules and beliefs that are decreed by a bunch of corrupted power mongers. It's seems impossible for their personal faith not to be tainted, assuming that their personal faith is connected to all that dogma that the Church keeps coming up with. It just shocks me that anyone still listens to the politicians from Vatican City, or trust anything that ever came out of it.

fear4freedom

PJ_Soul wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Humans will fail....and when they put themselves into a religion such as Catholicism...they set themselves up for failure. Religion is a big problem....but its man-made. Its not about a list of rules to follow, or attend a church on Sundays. They set rules for themselves that they could not live up to, and their flesh driven temptations led them to little boys, instead of women. They sought out the weak to prey on! This is why I never went to church, nor wanted to go. Then, I found a non-Denominational Christian church and when I did, it felt different. Its different because its not about religion or a church.....its about a relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Catholics dont have that relationship, therefore the child molesting priests didnt feel convicted from it. Once I realized the Holy Trinity is me inside of a triangle, God the father at the top, Jesus to the bottom left and the Holy Spirit to the bottom right, I began to realize that its all about me and my relationship with them 3. Everything else goes away....including all the man-made rules. I realized its just about that and the Bible and nothing else. Pray the prayer of salvation and become saved. Thats it....I dont have to do anything else. So I found simplicity and true meaningful relationships in non-Denominational Christianity. Noone else can take that away or redefine it! SIMPLE!

That's very nice that you feel comfortable with your choice of religion.
But I don't think I agree with your reasoning as far as why so many Catholic priests have molested children. I think it's because of that Church's strange fixation on sex, which includes forbidding priests from having it. I think that pedophiles and men with other sexually deviant desires choose to devote their lives to the Church because they think that if they swear an oath of celibacy before God, they will be able to resist their urges. Of course, most of them can't, and we already know what the results are. However, I don't think any other Church would be any better at suppressing such urges, or that regular faithful Catholics feel a lesser degree of connection to Jesus. The reason that this problem is not prevalent in other churches is because other churches to make their leaders abstain from sex forever, and therefore do not draw desperate sickos attempting to control themselves. A pedophile would be no less likely to stop and be "cured" by your church as they would be by the Catholic Church (and Atheists certainly aren't more likely to commit evil acts either). So I don't think the connection to God or Jesus nurtured by the Catholic Church (or lack thereof) has anything to do with that particular problem.

That said, I should think that all of the POLITICS of the Catholic Church certainly interfere with any kind of true connection with pure faith, only because I find it hard to imagine how anyone can find that kind of connection with any God through a set of rules and beliefs that are decreed by a bunch of corrupted power mongers. It's seems impossible for their personal faith not to be tainted, assuming that their personal faith is connected to all that dogma that the Church keeps coming up with. It just shocks me that anyone still listens to the politicians from Vatican City, or trust anything that ever came out of it.

I appreciate your response....here is what I see....We both agree that Catholics set themselves up for failure. I dont see the Catholic diocese pray the "prayer of salvation" and recieve the Holy Spirit as a part of a relationship with the Holy Trinity. It seems all regulated from beginning to end in the Catholic Church. I never felt a thing, nor retained ANYTHING, when i attended a Catholic Church. It felt totally fake. My church now looks like a college campus. It has elevators, cafeteria's, conf. rooms, theater rooms and concert halls. Its DC's mega church! When you recieve the Holy Spirit, pray the prayer of salvation and begin to have a true relationship with Jesus and the Father, it becomes real! You begin to "feel it". This relationship allows you to feel God's grace and mercy, yet it also convicts you and teaches you to resist temptation. This is what Catholics are missing. They dont have that, therefore, the priests, whom cannot marry, decide to fall to their temptations. That is why there was a phenomenon in the Catholic Church.

PJ_Soul

fear4freedom wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Humans will fail....and when they put themselves into a religion such as Catholicism...they set themselves up for failure. Religion is a big problem....but its man-made. Its not about a list of rules to follow, or attend a church on Sundays. They set rules for themselves that they could not live up to, and their flesh driven temptations led them to little boys, instead of women. They sought out the weak to prey on! This is why I never went to church, nor wanted to go. Then, I found a non-Denominational Christian church and when I did, it felt different. Its different because its not about religion or a church.....its about a relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Catholics dont have that relationship, therefore the child molesting priests didnt feel convicted from it. Once I realized the Holy Trinity is me inside of a triangle, God the father at the top, Jesus to the bottom left and the Holy Spirit to the bottom right, I began to realize that its all about me and my relationship with them 3. Everything else goes away....including all the man-made rules. I realized its just about that and the Bible and nothing else. Pray the prayer of salvation and become saved. Thats it....I dont have to do anything else. So I found simplicity and true meaningful relationships in non-Denominational Christianity. Noone else can take that away or redefine it! SIMPLE!

That's very nice that you feel comfortable with your choice of religion.
But I don't think I agree with your reasoning as far as why so many Catholic priests have molested children. I think it's because of that Church's strange fixation on sex, which includes forbidding priests from having it. I think that pedophiles and men with other sexually deviant desires choose to devote their lives to the Church because they think that if they swear an oath of celibacy before God, they will be able to resist their urges. Of course, most of them can't, and we already know what the results are. However, I don't think any other Church would be any better at suppressing such urges, or that regular faithful Catholics feel a lesser degree of connection to Jesus. The reason that this problem is not prevalent in other churches is because other churches to make their leaders abstain from sex forever, and therefore do not draw desperate sickos attempting to control themselves. A pedophile would be no less likely to stop and be "cured" by your church as they would be by the Catholic Church (and Atheists certainly aren't more likely to commit evil acts either). So I don't think the connection to God or Jesus nurtured by the Catholic Church (or lack thereof) has anything to do with that particular problem.

That said, I should think that all of the POLITICS of the Catholic Church certainly interfere with any kind of true connection with pure faith, only because I find it hard to imagine how anyone can find that kind of connection with any God through a set of rules and beliefs that are decreed by a bunch of corrupted power mongers. It's seems impossible for their personal faith not to be tainted, assuming that their personal faith is connected to all that dogma that the Church keeps coming up with. It just shocks me that anyone still listens to the politicians from Vatican City, or trust anything that ever came out of it.

I appreciate your response....here is what I see....We both agree that Catholics set themselves up for failure. I dont see the Catholic diocese pray the "prayer of salvation" and recieve the Holy Spirit as a part of a relationship with the Holy Trinity. It seems all regulated from beginning to end in the Catholic Church. I never felt a thing, nor retained ANYTHING, when i attended a Catholic Church. It felt totally fake. My church now looks like a college campus. It has elevators, cafeteria's, conf. rooms, theater rooms and concert halls. Its DC's mega church! When you recieve the Holy Spirit, pray the prayer of salvation and begin to have a true relationship with Jesus and the Father, it becomes real! You begin to "feel it". This relationship allows you to feel God's grace and mercy, yet it also convicts you and teaches you to resist temptation. This is what Catholics are missing. They dont have that, therefore, the priests, whom cannot marry, decide to fall to their temptations. That is why there was a phenomenon in the Catholic Church.

Not to start anything, but some people would argue that those mega-Churches disable their ability to connect with the Holy Spirit just as much as the Catholic Church, if not more so (certain mega churches have also been under scrutiny, usually for embezzlement and fraud). What I mean is, it's all a matter of perspective. What you could not connect to isn't necessarily what other can't connect to. But I can appreciate what you say on a very personal level, for yourself. I just don't know if it can be applied in a general sense. Personally, I don't understand why churches exist at all, Catholic or otherwise, especially when you're talking about being closer to Jesus. It seems to me that Jesus was rather against organized religion all together, or at least didn't think that Churches brought people any closer to God than they could be otherwise without church. If anything, I thought church just served as a place for like-minded people to meet and to relate to one another. Not to find a closer connection to God.

fear4freedom

I can empathize with you. I certainly agree everyone is different so it is recieved that way also. But there should always be a place where like minded people can go and worship, small group and study the word together. Also, my church is fun and amazing for kids. Great place to raise your kids if you dont want them to be immersed in video games and hollywood. They are actively pursuing God and recieving Him. Also, theyre hearts are softened....not hardened! Great place. I love where I go. I agree many churches are corrupt or at least not what they say they are....so its important to learn about it and see where the money goes. I just like a church that doesnt have a cemetary in the back yard! LOL

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist wrote:

But then what does the shut-down do? What would it solve?

(and yes, teachers - like the peds in the CC - have been passed around...way too much)

This couldn't be further from the truth. Teachers who abuse kids are abhorred and lose their license to teach. That stuff does happen periodically, but it is not tolerated at all. If there actually is a place that allows teachers to breach the most sacred level of trust they are given and resurface to teach again... then that region needs to get that fixed right away!

The church covers up those nasty incidents and church officials protect each other. It's set up really well for deviants because- from what I understand (and I could be wrong)- the religion essentially accepts the behaviours by pardoning the offender who seeks forgiveness for their sins... over and over again if need be.

Do I got this right?

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

hedonist wrote:

But then what does the shut-down do? What would it solve?

(and yes, teachers - like the peds in the CC - have been passed around...way too much)

This couldn't be further from the truth. Teachers who abuse kids are abhorred and lose their license to teach. That stuff does happen periodically, but it is not tolerated at all. If there actually is a place that allows teachers to breach the most sacred level of trust they are given and resurface to teach again... then that region needs to get that fixed right away!

The church covers up those nasty incidents and church officials protect each other. It's set up really well for deviants because- from what I understand (and I could be wrong)- the religion essentially accepts the behaviours by pardoning the offender who seeks forgiveness for their sins... over and over again if need be.

Do I got this right?

Actually, here, lately...many teachers have been put on paid admin leave while these charges are investigated - including the one who filmed his young students eating his cum from a spoon while bound.

So sorry. It has been tolerated.

mysticweed

i firmly believe the catholic church has been a hoax since its inception
abuse of power has run rampant throughout its history
and sexual abuse of boys and girls has been overlooked and permitted for centuries

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

hedonist wrote:

But then what does the shut-down do? What would it solve?

(and yes, teachers - like the peds in the CC - have been passed around...way too much)

This couldn't be further from the truth. Teachers who abuse kids are abhorred and lose their license to teach. That stuff does happen periodically, but it is not tolerated at all. If there actually is a place that allows teachers to breach the most sacred level of trust they are given and resurface to teach again... then that region needs to get that fixed right away!

The church covers up those nasty incidents and church officials protect each other. It's set up really well for deviants because- from what I understand (and I could be wrong)- the religion essentially accepts the behaviours by pardoning the offender who seeks forgiveness for their sins... over and over again if need be.

Do I got this right?

Actually, here, lately...many teachers have been put on paid admin leave while these charges are investigated - including the one who filmed his young students eating his cum from a spoon while bound.

So sorry. It has been tolerated.

I'm not sure that allowing the legal process to occur is the same as toleration. Everyone on this forum swears by 'due process' so let's stay consistent: even in the worst cases, people are presumed innocent until they are proven guilty. He should be paid until he's proven guilty.

Then...

... that guy you speak of can die. I know of the incident and death would be too good for that sick, predatory bastard in my opinion. Let's get serious though: he's not going to be teaching again.

Now, back to the church's moral corruption shall we?

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I'm not sure that allowing the legal process to occur is the same as toleration. Everyone on this forum swears by 'due process' so let's stay consistent: even in the worst cases, people are presumed innocent until they are proven guilty. He should be paid until he's proven guilty.

Then...

... that guy you speak of can die. I know of the incident and death would be too good for that sick, predatory bastard in my opinion. Let's get serious though: he's not going to be teaching again.

Now, back to the church's moral corruption shall we?

I figured that his actions he preserved on film appropriately evidenced his guilt.

Apologies if I trailed from the initial topic; was drawing parallels to the shut-er-down post. No free passes, from here.

Your first point isn't lost on me, by the way.

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

hedonist wrote:

But then what does the shut-down do? What would it solve?

(and yes, teachers - like the peds in the CC - have been passed around...way too much)

This couldn't be further from the truth. Teachers who abuse kids are abhorred and lose their license to teach. That stuff does happen periodically, but it is not tolerated at all. If there actually is a place that allows teachers to breach the most sacred level of trust they are given and resurface to teach again... then that region needs to get that fixed right away!

The church covers up those nasty incidents and church officials protect each other. It's set up really well for deviants because- from what I understand (and I could be wrong)- the religion essentially accepts the behaviours by pardoning the offender who seeks forgiveness for their sins... over and over again if need be.

Do I got this right?

Actually, here, lately...many teachers have been put on paid admin leave while these charges are investigated - including the one who filmed his young students eating his cum from a spoon while bound.

So sorry. It has been tolerated.

That's not tolerating anything. That's waiting until accusations are proven to be true (do you have any idea how often kids accuse their teachers falsely? A LOT! Of course teachers get paid admin leave until they're proven guilty. Justike cops if they've been accused of doing something. That isn't sweeping anything under the rug, it certainly isn't keeping things quiet, and if a teacher is found guilty, of course they never teach again, and usually go to jail. And their colleagues are as sick about it as anyone. Not the case with the church. They actively go about trying to cover it up!!! And even keep the offender in a position where they have pfesumed authority over and access to children! As far as I'm concerned, those church leaders even with knowledge of such activity that fail to report it to police should be tried and sentenced to prison. That includes the Pope.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

That's not tolerating anything. That's waiting until accusations are proven to be true (do you have any idea how often kids accuse their teachers falsely? A LOT! Of course teachers get paid admin leave until they're proven guilty. Justike cops if they've been accused of doing something. That isn't sweeping anything under the rug, it certainly isn't keeping things quiet, and if a teacher is found guilty, of course they never teach again, and usually go to jail. And their colleagues are as sick about it as anyone. Not the case with the church. They a tively go about trying to cover it up!!!

I gotcha. See my post above, please.

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

I'm not sure that allowing the legal process to occur is the same as toleration. Everyone on this forum swears by 'due process' so let's stay consistent: even in the worst cases, people are presumed innocent until they are proven guilty. He should be paid until he's proven guilty.

Then...

... that guy you speak of can die. I know of the incident and death would be too good for that sick, predatory bastard in my opinion. Let's get serious though: he's not going to be teaching again.

Now, back to the church's moral corruption shall we?

I figured that his actions he preserved on film appropriately evidenced his guilt.

Apologies if I trailed from the initial topic; was drawing parallels to the shut-er-down post. No free passes, from here.

Your first point isn't lost on me, by the way.

You still need a trial, no matter how compelling the evidence is. I think you know that's how it's done in north america.

PJ_Soul

hedonist wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

That's not tolerating anything. That's waiting until accusations are proven to be true (do you have any idea how often kids accuse their teachers falsely? A LOT! Of course teachers get paid admin leave until they're proven guilty. Justike cops if they've been accused of doing something. That isn't sweeping anything under the rug, it certainly isn't keeping things quiet, and if a teacher is found guilty, of course they never teach again, and usually go to jail. And their colleagues are as sick about it as anyone. Not the case with the church. They a tively go about trying to cover it up!!!

I gotcha. See my post above, please.

Btw, my parents were both educators (my dad a principal, my mom a teacher), and I heard the inside stories about teachers accused. So many times, some little asshole student who was given detention or were in their eyes somehow treated unfairly by a teacher cried sexual abuse or misconduct just to get back at the teacher. In most cases, it didn't get further than a meeting with the student, their parents, and the principal (where the student confessed to lying). But once in a while an especially vengeful student would take it farther, to the point where news got out, parents started pulling their kids and calling for the tea her to be fired and/or arrested. My parents knew a couple of tea hers whose lives were ruined ckmetely because people wouldn't wait for a fair investigation. By the time it's determined then teacher is innocent, it's too late to save their career. :( Parents don't want their kids in a classroom with someone who was ever accused, even if they were found innocent ... I know it's off topic, but oh well.

polaris_x

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/02/05/vatican_systematically_allowed_priests_to_rape_children_says_un_report.html

VATICAN CITY—A UN human rights committee denounced the Vatican on Wednesday for “systematically” adopting policies that allowed priests to rape and molest tens of thousands of children over decades, and urged it to open its files on the pedophiles and the bishops who concealed their crimes.

more on the link ...

gimmesometruth27

wow.

as someone said earlier, shut it down. you have to. what other institution with even a similar record of these abuses would be allowed to carry on??

PJ_Soul

gimmesometruth27 said:

wow.

as someone said earlier, shut it down. you have to. what other institution with even a similar record of these abuses would be allowed to carry on??

Well apparently, the Catholic Church is above the law. Not sure how that happened, but it's basically true. :-??

rgambs

catholic church has always been above the law! it used to BE the law

PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

catholic church has always been above the law! it used to BE the law

Yeah I know it used to be, but I was under the impression that in this day and age they weren't, especially in North America. Obviously not, but I'm having trouble understanding how or why. I know the history of the Catholic Church VERY well, but I don't know much at all about it and how it deals with the law and government in NA present day. This actually seems more like a case of pointing the finger in the wrong direction. Shouldn't it be law enforcement who we should be chasing with pitchforks for not investigating the abuse?? I mean, of course the Church is all fucked up and is protecting child molesters, but since when did we expect any organized religion to not be completely corrupt and fucked up? It's law enforcement that should be doing something here.

hedonist

Totally agree with you about law enforcement, prosecutors, et al stepping up (as the church itself should have, and should be).

...but do you truly apply "completely corrupt" to all organized religions? All facets? That, I just don't see...not that end of the spectrum.

PJ_Soul

hedonist said:

Totally agree with you about law enforcement, prosecutors, et al stepping up (as the church itself should have, and should be).

...but do you truly apply "completely corrupt" to all organized religions? All facets? That, I just don't see...not that end of the spectrum.

I am strongly anti-organized religion for sure, and while of course I acknowledge that some good things come out of organized religions (not enough to justify them), I also believe that it would be impossible to find one that didn't have a river of corruption running through it.

hedonist

PJ_Soul said:

hedonist said:

Totally agree with you about law enforcement, prosecutors, et al stepping up (as the church itself should have, and should be).

...but do you truly apply "completely corrupt" to all organized religions? All facets? That, I just don't see...not that end of the spectrum.

I am strongly anti-organized religion for sure, and while of course I acknowledge that some good things come out of them, I also believe that it would be impossible to find one that didn't have a river of corruption running under it.

Yes, A river...maybe even a few. Just not the whole damn thing flooded out