"Pooh-poh this if you like, since it comes from the Center for American Progress, but the group just released a big study showing that--across 10 measures like the number of firearms homicides, number of total firearm deaths (including accidents etc.), law enforcement agents killed by firearms, and so on--the deadliest states are those with the most lax gun laws.
The "top" 10: Louisiana, Alaska, Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi, South Carolina, New Mexico, Missouri, Arkansas, and Georgia.
Now I know conservatives are thinking: No way these places are deadlier than New York and other states with big cities that have very violent neighborhoods. But according to CAP, New York and New Jersey, for example, rank 46th and 47th in gun violence. The full "bottom" 10: Nebraska, Maine, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Iowa, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Hawaii. That's basically a combination of sparsely populated states and states with strong gun laws."
Why do progun people think everyone want's to take away their guns , i would think a regular hand gun or rifle would be enough to protect one's home & family from intruders ...
The point is we are law abiding citizens. The government has no right to tell us what they think we need for protection. It's none of their fucking business. They can pass all the gun laws in the world. Ain't gonna change a fuckin thing in a crazy persons head.
Just like the many shooters of the past they to were law abiding citizens , is it the gov's bussiness to tell Women what kind of birth control they can use or the gay couple that can't marry is this also to much gov in our lives ?
"Pooh-poh this if you like, since it comes from the Center for American Progress, but the group just released a big study showing that--across 10 measures like the number of firearms homicides, number of total firearm deaths (including accidents etc.), law enforcement agents killed by firearms, and so on--the deadliest states are those with the most lax gun laws.
The "top" 10: Louisiana, Alaska, Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi, South Carolina, New Mexico, Missouri, Arkansas, and Georgia.
Now I know conservatives are thinking: No way these places are deadlier than New York and other states with big cities that have very violent neighborhoods. But according to CAP, New York and New Jersey, for example, rank 46th and 47th in gun violence. The full "bottom" 10: Nebraska, Maine, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Iowa, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Hawaii. That's basically a combination of sparsely populated states and states with strong gun laws."
"Pooh-poh this if you like, since it comes from the Center for American Progress, but the group just released a big study showing that--across 10 measures like the number of firearms homicides, number of total firearm deaths (including accidents etc.), law enforcement agents killed by firearms, and so on--the deadliest states are those with the most lax gun laws.
The "top" 10: Louisiana, Alaska, Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi, South Carolina, New Mexico, Missouri, Arkansas, and Georgia.
Now I know conservatives are thinking: No way these places are deadlier than New York and other states with big cities that have very violent neighborhoods. But according to CAP, New York and New Jersey, for example, rank 46th and 47th in gun violence. The full "bottom" 10: Nebraska, Maine, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Iowa, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Hawaii. That's basically a combination of sparsely populated states and states with strong gun laws."
The Malkin Award – named after blogger, Michelle Malkin, is for shrill, hyperbolic, divisive and intemperate right-wing rhetoric. Ann Coulter is ineligible – to give others a chance.
So what are you going to do when Chicago gun crime stats don't drop?
will you give us another example besides chicago? chicago has always been fucked up. it has always been violent. it is hard to enforce a gun ban when the gangs are the ones trafficking the weapons and the guns are the same ones the police use. add to that, the "don't snitch" culture that pervades inner city chicago makes crimes impossible to solve.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
A sweeping new law, passed Wednesday by the Maryland House of Delegates, will require the fingerprinting of gun buyers, mandate background checks, restrict availability of weapons to the mentally ill, and ban certain kinds of assault weapons and magazines of more than 10 bullets.
The 78-61 vote sends the legislation back to the Senate, which has passed a similar version of the gun safety bill.
Gov. Martin O'Mally of Maryland rallies supporters of new gun safety law, with background checks, firearms training and fingerprinting, outside legislature in Annapolis. It is likely to become law.
“Our state shouldn’t settle for being in the top 10 most violent states in America: There are a lot of lives that can be saved. The tragedy in Newtown (Conn.) gave us the inflection point, the ability to forge a consensus that prior to that awful tragedy might not have been possible,” Gov. Martin O’Malley, a Democrat, told the Washington Post.
Washington and Maryland acted in tandem last year on the issue of same-sex marriage. The legislatures of each state voted for marriage equality, a decision ratified by Washington and Maryland voters when the issue was put to a vote in November.
But this year, the Washington state House of Representatives failed to muster the necessary 50 votes to pass a much more modest background-check bill, designed to close the so-called “gun show loophole.” An estimated 40 percent of the state’s gun sales are made with no background check.
Maryland will join Connecticut, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York and New Jersey in its fingerprinting requirement.
The buyers of some guns will need to pass training and testing, and be issued an ID card by the Maryland State Police that must be renewed every 10 years.
The legislation exempts the owners of hunting rifles and shotguns.
New York and Colorado — site of the Aurora, Colo., massacre last summer — have passed new gun safety laws. Connecticut is likely to do so soon. President Obama spoke in Colorado on Wednesday, pressing Congress to pass legislation requiring background checks and limiting the size of ammunition clips.
“If we’re really going to tackle this problem seriously, then we’ve got to get Congress to take the next step,” Obama said. “And as soon as next week, they will be voting. As soon as next week, every senator will get to vote on whether or not we should require background checks for anyone who wants to purchase a gun.”
A new national Marist poll, done for NBC News, on Wednesday showed 87 percent support for background checks, including more than 80 percent of Republicans.
But, noted Obama, “This is not easy. And I’ll be blunt — a lot of members of Congress, this is tough for them. Because those who are opposed to any form of legislation affecting guns, they’re very well organized and they’re very well financed. But it can be done if enough voices are heard.”
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why would anybody register all their guns ? that will never happen.
with all the laws and "protective" eyes on the American citizen it would be nice to know that if the day should ever come when the govenerment trys to take our guns they can't look for something they don't know is there..
as one of you said "it's non of their business" if I own a gun or not especially if I am not a convicted fellon.
So most people will freely register their automobiles ... but balk at the suggestion of registering guns - what kind of logic is that? If your a law abiding citizen ... why do you care if the government knows you have guns?
Here in Canada we had a gun registry ... it was just recently gotten rid of ... my only real complaints with the registry was that it cost the taxpayers 1-2 billion to set up and the gun owners didn't to have to pay to register guns. Here in Canada the gun owners should have paid to register their gun ... just like I pay to register my car and a special tax could have been in place on the sale of guns and ammo to cover the set up cost.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
So most people will freely register their automobiles ... but balk at the suggestion of registering guns - what kind of logic is that? If your a law abiding citizen ... why do you care if the government knows you have guns?
Driving a car is not a right, owning a firearm is. I'm not registering my rights.
So what are you going to do when Chicago gun crime stats don't drop?
will you give us another example besides chicago? chicago has always been fucked up. it has always been violent. it is hard to enforce a gun ban when the gangs are the ones trafficking the weapons and the guns are the same ones the police use. add to that, the "don't snitch" culture that pervades inner city chicago makes crimes impossible to solve.
So you admit that more gun control laws won't stop crime. We finally agree.
So what are you going to do when Chicago gun crime stats don't drop?
will you give us another example besides chicago? chicago has always been fucked up. it has always been violent. it is hard to enforce a gun ban when the gangs are the ones trafficking the weapons and the guns are the same ones the police use. add to that, the "don't snitch" culture that pervades inner city chicago makes crimes impossible to solve.
So you admit that more gun control laws won't stop crime. We finally agree.
seems kinda cheap on your part.
well its all moot anyway. If any gun owner has paid with a credit card for their weapons, guess what, the government can and would find out what you own whether you were registered or not.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So you admit that more gun control laws won't stop crime. We finally agree.
i did not say that. i do not agree with you at all.
good thing there is a democrat running chicago or you would not have anything to complain about because it could possibly be a libertarian utopia....
sorry but that was a joke, because libertarianism has barely caught on in most major rural areas, let alone a metropolis like chicago.
people like you are the problem.
common sense gun legislation is not an option for you. it is not open for debate. you are one of the 10% of gun owners that do not favor background checks. 9/10 of all gun owners polled support background checks for all gun transactions. you are lining up with the nra, the very same organization that came out against a un resolution to keep 2/3 of the "axis of evil", north korea, iran, and also syria from getting their hands on some serious firepower. if i were in the nra i would be embarrassed by their leadership and their clearly bullheaded position on that issue.
i never would have thought that you would be anywhere near the lunatic gun nut fringe because you are too smart for that.
i guess i am surprised by something every day.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Some one in my House Hold lost their cable for their tablet.
It fell upon me to find that thing.
I find A huge gun.. propped against a dresser. :nono:
It should be kept in the Fliping safe!
I was told ... at least it's there if you need it.
I said, I don't even know how to shoot that or WTF it is.
Who ever "Breaks in" can kill me faster because its right there.
Please Lock it up?
The response. We will think about it.???
I'm going to put the Grand National on Ebay..... With the rifle thing included.
Or....you could educate everyone in the house about the gun therefore making everyone safer. But I do agree it should be locked up. Or at least have a trigger lock on it.
So you admit that more gun control laws won't stop crime. We finally agree.
i did not say that. i do not agree with you at all.
good thing there is a democrat running chicago or you would not have anything to complain about because it could possibly be a libertarian utopia....
sorry but that was a joke, because libertarianism has barely caught on in most major rural areas, let alone a metropolis like chicago.
people like you are the problem.
common sense gun legislation is not an option for you. it is not open for debate. you are one of the 10% of gun owners that do not favor background checks. 9/10 of all gun owners polled support background checks for all gun transactions. you are lining up with the nra, the very same organization that came out against a un resolution to keep 2/3 of the "axis of evil", north korea, iran, and also syria from getting their hands on some serious firepower. if i were in the nra i would be embarrassed by their leadership and their clearly bullheaded position on that issue.
i never would have thought that you would be anywhere near the lunatic gun nut fringe because you are too smart for that.
i guess i am surprised by something every day.
Haha, sorry to disappoint you.
I'm not a member of the NRA. In fact I cancelled my membership. Why? Because they compromise. The NRA wrote or indirectly supported all federal gun control legislation. Federal gun laws are unconstitutional.
I'd be for better background checks if there was also a ban on creating a database for what people own. I do not support any rifle ban or a ban on full capacity magazines. That doesn't solve crime. Do something about Chicago gun violence, otherwise you are only punishing the law abiding.
And no libertarianism would never, ever, work in Chicago. People would have to care about each other and those animals don't.
Why do progun people think everyone want's to take away their guns , i would think a regular hand gun or rifle would be enough to protect one's home & family from intruders ...
The point is we are law abiding citizens. The government has no right to tell us what they think we need for protection. It's none of their fucking business. They can pass all the gun laws in the world. Ain't gonna change a fuckin thing in a crazy persons head.
You might have some answering to do yourself on judgement day with such language.
Why do progun people think everyone want's to take away their guns , i would think a regular hand gun or rifle would be enough to protect one's home & family from intruders ...
The point is we are law abiding citizens. The government has no right to tell us what they think we need for protection. It's none of their fucking business. They can pass all the gun laws in the world. Ain't gonna change a fuckin thing in a crazy persons head.
You might have some answering to do yourself on judgement day with such language.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Why do progun people think everyone want's to take away their guns , i would think a regular hand gun or rifle would be enough to protect one's home & family from intruders ...
The point is we are law abiding citizens. The government has no right to tell us what they think we need for protection. It's none of their fucking business. They can pass all the gun laws in the world. Ain't gonna change a fuckin thing in a crazy persons head.
You might have some answering to do yourself on judgement day with such language.
We're the world police that invades on a whim, we have a banking system that is designed to steal from those that aren't ultra rich, our unemployment numbers are really in the high teens, we have an all time high amount of people on welfare, we spend so much that we have to borrow from china, our government allows companies to grow GMO products and use chicken poop in cow feed, we have no manufacturing, we have broken infrastructure, we have 12 million people here illegally, etc.
But following the Constitution is what's wrong. Ok. :fp:
We're the world police that invades on a whim, we have a banking system that is designed to steal from those that aren't ultra rich, our unemployment numbers are really in the high teens, we have an all time high amount of people on welfare, we spend so much that we have to borrow from china, our government allows companies to grow GMO products and use chicken poop in cow feed, we have no manufacturing, we have broken infrastructure, we have 12 million people here illegally, etc.
But following the Constitution is what's wrong. Ok. :fp:
ah, the condescending name calling. I predicted this before I even posted. following the constitution isn't wrong, the fact that such a ridiculous thing is IN the constitution is preposterous.
it's a fundamental flaw in the collective american brain. your paragraph above proves it. you have all these fucking disgusting things going on, and people still hold onto their guns as if it's their last breath. "I don't care that our economy is in the toilet, but making anti-gun laws on a federal level is going too far!".
Priorities, America.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
ah, the condescending name calling. I predicted this before I even posted. following the constitution isn't wrong, the fact that such a ridiculous thing is IN the constitution is preposterous.
it's a fundamental flaw in the collective american brain. your paragraph above proves it. you have all these fucking disgusting things going on, and people still hold onto their guns as if it's their last breath. "I don't care that our economy is in the toilet, but making anti-gun laws on a federal level is going too far!".
Priorities, America.
Most of them get it, Hugh. Some simply refuse to accept or understand the simple logic behind some efforts to make their country a better, safer, and warmer place to live. It's not so much a case of priorities for the country as it is needs for the individual.
The arguments against gun control are weak. I still don't think that pro gun people truly believe things like they need to be ready for when the government tries to get them. I think the arguments put forth are the best ones they can muster though because there are no strong points of contention that would give a logical person pause before pushing for gun reform. In the face of a heavily weighted argument against their beliefs, the soft points in retort are offered so that... people can simply preserve their desire to shoot really cool guns. It's narcissism to me. The stream of comments such as, "Don't punish the law abiding citizens" would lend support to my assertion.
I get it though: If someone wanted to restrict or ban something I loved doing I would not be too happy- but I might be able to at least understand why the change effort is occurring (say, for example, 11,000 gun deaths per year... or intermittent national tragedies). Here is where I would suggest for people to lay their cards on the table. Just say, "This is bullshit. I freaking love my guns and I love shooting shit. I don't care for the reasons behind gun reform and it pisses me off that other gun users killing people with their guns are wrecking my good times shooting shit!" I would have much more respect for this statement than, "The government is just waiting for us to concede our assault rifles so they can get us!"
Pandemonium prepared ... savvy people take steps to make themselves
and their households more self reliant ...
good common sense just in case or if and when.
Clueless people think their government will take care of them in a crisis.
Why would they ever assume that :?
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More people are getting killed in red states than blue states.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... tates.html
"Pooh-poh this if you like, since it comes from the Center for American Progress, but the group just released a big study showing that--across 10 measures like the number of firearms homicides, number of total firearm deaths (including accidents etc.), law enforcement agents killed by firearms, and so on--the deadliest states are those with the most lax gun laws.
The "top" 10: Louisiana, Alaska, Alabama, Arizona, Mississippi, South Carolina, New Mexico, Missouri, Arkansas, and Georgia.
Now I know conservatives are thinking: No way these places are deadlier than New York and other states with big cities that have very violent neighborhoods. But according to CAP, New York and New Jersey, for example, rank 46th and 47th in gun violence. The full "bottom" 10: Nebraska, Maine, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Iowa, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Hawaii. That's basically a combination of sparsely populated states and states with strong gun laws."
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Just like the many shooters of the past they to were law abiding citizens , is it the gov's bussiness to tell Women what kind of birth control they can use or the gay couple that can't marry is this also to much gov in our lives ?
Or, one could argue....
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/ ... lle-malkin
Someone credible? Or just Michelle Malkin?
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
with all the laws and "protective" eyes on the American citizen it would be nice to know that if the day should ever come when the govenerment trys to take our guns they can't look for something they don't know is there..
as one of you said "it's non of their business" if I own a gun or not especially if I am not a convicted fellon.
Godfather.
Here in Canada we had a gun registry ... it was just recently gotten rid of ... my only real complaints with the registry was that it cost the taxpayers 1-2 billion to set up and the gun owners didn't to have to pay to register guns. Here in Canada the gun owners should have paid to register their gun ... just like I pay to register my car and a special tax could have been in place on the sale of guns and ammo to cover the set up cost.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
it is funny, because the nra normally would refer to them as terrorist nations, except for when their interests are shared...
i wonder how many nra members would be aghast at their organization lining up along side of those countries...
my guess is not many....
:fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Driving a car is not a right, owning a firearm is. I'm not registering my rights.
So you admit that more gun control laws won't stop crime. We finally agree.
well its all moot anyway. If any gun owner has paid with a credit card for their weapons, guess what, the government can and would find out what you own whether you were registered or not.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
good thing there is a democrat running chicago or you would not have anything to complain about because it could possibly be a libertarian utopia....
sorry but that was a joke, because libertarianism has barely caught on in most major rural areas, let alone a metropolis like chicago.
people like you are the problem.
common sense gun legislation is not an option for you. it is not open for debate. you are one of the 10% of gun owners that do not favor background checks. 9/10 of all gun owners polled support background checks for all gun transactions. you are lining up with the nra, the very same organization that came out against a un resolution to keep 2/3 of the "axis of evil", north korea, iran, and also syria from getting their hands on some serious firepower. if i were in the nra i would be embarrassed by their leadership and their clearly bullheaded position on that issue.
i never would have thought that you would be anywhere near the lunatic gun nut fringe because you are too smart for that.
i guess i am surprised by something every day.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It fell upon me to find that thing.
I find A huge gun.. propped against a dresser. :nono:
It should be kept in the Fliping safe!
I was told ... at least it's there if you need it.
I said, I don't even know how to shoot that or WTF it is.
Who ever "Breaks in" can kill me faster because its right there.
Please Lock it up?
The response. We will think about it.???
I'm going to put the Grand National on Ebay..... With the rifle thing included.
Or....you could educate everyone in the house about the gun therefore making everyone safer. But I do agree it should be locked up. Or at least have a trigger lock on it.
Haha, sorry to disappoint you.
I'm not a member of the NRA. In fact I cancelled my membership. Why? Because they compromise. The NRA wrote or indirectly supported all federal gun control legislation. Federal gun laws are unconstitutional.
I'd be for better background checks if there was also a ban on creating a database for what people own. I do not support any rifle ban or a ban on full capacity magazines. That doesn't solve crime. Do something about Chicago gun violence, otherwise you are only punishing the law abiding.
And no libertarianism would never, ever, work in Chicago. People would have to care about each other and those animals don't.
and THIS is what is wrong with your country.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
You might have some answering to do yourself on judgement day with such language.
I love ignorant statements like this.
We're the world police that invades on a whim, we have a banking system that is designed to steal from those that aren't ultra rich, our unemployment numbers are really in the high teens, we have an all time high amount of people on welfare, we spend so much that we have to borrow from china, our government allows companies to grow GMO products and use chicken poop in cow feed, we have no manufacturing, we have broken infrastructure, we have 12 million people here illegally, etc.
But following the Constitution is what's wrong. Ok. :fp:
ah, the condescending name calling. I predicted this before I even posted. following the constitution isn't wrong, the fact that such a ridiculous thing is IN the constitution is preposterous.
it's a fundamental flaw in the collective american brain. your paragraph above proves it. you have all these fucking disgusting things going on, and people still hold onto their guns as if it's their last breath. "I don't care that our economy is in the toilet, but making anti-gun laws on a federal level is going too far!".
Priorities, America.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
When one lives in glass houses they shouldn't throw stones.
Most of them get it, Hugh. Some simply refuse to accept or understand the simple logic behind some efforts to make their country a better, safer, and warmer place to live. It's not so much a case of priorities for the country as it is needs for the individual.
The arguments against gun control are weak. I still don't think that pro gun people truly believe things like they need to be ready for when the government tries to get them. I think the arguments put forth are the best ones they can muster though because there are no strong points of contention that would give a logical person pause before pushing for gun reform. In the face of a heavily weighted argument against their beliefs, the soft points in retort are offered so that... people can simply preserve their desire to shoot really cool guns. It's narcissism to me. The stream of comments such as, "Don't punish the law abiding citizens" would lend support to my assertion.
I get it though: If someone wanted to restrict or ban something I loved doing I would not be too happy- but I might be able to at least understand why the change effort is occurring (say, for example, 11,000 gun deaths per year... or intermittent national tragedies). Here is where I would suggest for people to lay their cards on the table. Just say, "This is bullshit. I freaking love my guns and I love shooting shit. I don't care for the reasons behind gun reform and it pisses me off that other gun users killing people with their guns are wrecking my good times shooting shit!" I would have much more respect for this statement than, "The government is just waiting for us to concede our assault rifles so they can get us!"
and their households more self reliant ...
good common sense just in case or if and when.
Clueless people think their government will take care of them in a crisis.
Why would they ever assume that :?
trying to see the correlation. :think:
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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i value my life higher than that of a zygote. and as you can imagine i dont equate abortion with narcissism.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say