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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Juggler said:
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    Jason Kelce is a treasure and an honest man although Juggler will disagree with his assessment of Wentz.
    lol...did you expect Kelce to come out and rip Carson?
    No but he over praised him...like someone you accused of doing that here :)
  • The Juggler
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    edited December 2020
    pjhawks said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjhawks said:
    Jason Kelce is a treasure and an honest man although Juggler will disagree with his assessment of Wentz.
    lol...did you expect Kelce to come out and rip Carson?
    No but he over praised him...like someone you accused of doing that here :)
    Oh wow. The center heaped praise upon his quarterback? Goodness gracious. I don't think that ever happened before. 
    haha
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Juggler said:
    pjhawks said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjhawks said:
    Jason Kelce is a treasure and an honest man although Juggler will disagree with his assessment of Wentz.
    lol...did you expect Kelce to come out and rip Carson?
    No but he over praised him...like someone you accused of doing that here :)
    Oh wow. The center heaped praise upon his quarterback? Goodness gracious. I don't think that ever happened before. 
    haha
    Or maybe he and a certain poster here are just smarter than you. Remember he was one of the first to call out your boy Chip Kelly 😜
  • The Juggler
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    pjhawks said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjhawks said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjhawks said:
    Jason Kelce is a treasure and an honest man although Juggler will disagree with his assessment of Wentz.
    lol...did you expect Kelce to come out and rip Carson?
    No but he over praised him...like someone you accused of doing that here :)
    Oh wow. The center heaped praise upon his quarterback? Goodness gracious. I don't think that ever happened before. 
    haha
    Or maybe he and a certain poster here are just smarter than you. Remember he was one of the first to call out your boy Chip Kelly 😜
    Dude it's 2020 and... you're talking about Chip Kelly still? 10-6, 10-6 and 7-9 after taking over a 4-12 team. Oh the horror!

    Looking forward to Wentz's HOF induction ceremony. I think you're shooting for 2039 right? lol 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    What was that TO stat since 2019? During tonight’s game?
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Juggler said:
    pjhawks said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjhawks said:
    The Juggler said:
    pjhawks said:
    Jason Kelce is a treasure and an honest man although Juggler will disagree with his assessment of Wentz.
    lol...did you expect Kelce to come out and rip Carson?
    No but he over praised him...like someone you accused of doing that here :)
    Oh wow. The center heaped praise upon his quarterback? Goodness gracious. I don't think that ever happened before. 
    haha
    Or maybe he and a certain poster here are just smarter than you. Remember he was one of the first to call out your boy Chip Kelly 😜
    Dude it's 2020 and... you're talking about Chip Kelly still? 10-6, 10-6 and 7-9 after taking over a 4-12 team. Oh the horror!

    Looking forward to Wentz's HOF induction ceremony. I think you're shooting for 2039 right? lol 
     I thought this was a good article today by David Murphy.  The Roethlisberger part is pretty interesting I thought.


    12/11/20:

    I’ve come to believe that, a generation from now, psychologists will look back on the year 2020 and conclude that our entire society was clinically insane. So it doesn’t surprise me that most of the Carson Wentz takes I’ve read seem divorced from objective reality.

    The disconnect is best illustrated by an infographic that you’ve probably seen floating around the content-sphere. In one column are Wentz’s statistics in his first four seasons in the league. In the second column are his statistics from this season. Above the table is a headline that, depending on the source, has some iteration of the phrase, “What happened to Carson Wentz?”

    The amusing part of this breakdown is that it usually begins with the number of games in each sample. There, in the first row of the table, just below the headline that wonders how the heck a quarterback can instantly transform from a perennial Top 10 performer into one of the lowest-rated passers in the league, are the following numbers:

    2016-19: 56 games

    2020: 12 games

    Golly, the answer to the question feels like it is this close, doesn’t it? Can’t quite put my finger on it. Anyway, here’s a look at Wentz’s salary cap hit for next season! LOL!

    I’m not a trained mathematician, but I do know that if somebody tasked me with predicting the future behavior of some entity, and if the only available evidence of that entity’s past behavior were two conflicting datasets, the first thing I would do is look at the size of those datasets. And if one of those datasets happened to be five times larger than the other, I would at least hesitate before concluding that the smaller dataset was the better predictor of the future.

    Look, if the month of June ended with five straight days of rain, you’d pack an umbrella, not build an ark. That is where we are with Wentz. Can we rule out the possibility that Wentz’s struggles will prove to be biblical? Of course not. Is there a chance that the hit that knocked him out of last year’s Wild Card game will prove to have been one hit too many? Sure. But it’s hard to conclude that is likely to be the case.

    Take, for instance, the small handful of me-against-the-world performances we’ve seen Wentz deliver this season. Consider also the 28 consecutive regular-season games that he has started. Both offer plenty of reason to believe that his problems are not physiological. Besides, nobody has a closer view of Wentz, or more information about his health, than Doug Pederson. It is notable, then, that Pederson continued to run Wentz back out there as long as he did.

    If you were responsible for deciding how to proceed with Wentz from your armchair, the only reasonable course of action would be to assume that Wentz’s bad season is exactly that. One bad season. The only reason he looks existentially bad is that the Eagles are an existential mess around him. The guy has been sacked 50 times. He’s been crushed on countless other occasions. Often, when it looks like he is holding the ball too long, it’s because there are seven guys blocking for him and three receivers blanketed down field. And he still ends up getting crushed.

    As Jason Kelce noted earlier this week, the Eagles are not your average bad football team. They are dysfunctional. You could design the best quarterback in the world, and if you forced him to play 7-on-11, he’d look like the worst quarterback in the world. The Eagles might be playing 11-on-11, but the logic stands. Every quarterback’s competence is at least partially dependent on his supporting cast, and there is a threshold at which the deficiencies of that supporting cast render him useless.

    None of that means Wentz would be having a great season if he had more help. But there have been plenty of good quarterbacks who have had not-good seasons.

    Take Ben Roethlisberger. In his fifth year in the league, the future Hall of Famer threw 15 interceptions on 469 attempts, fumbled 14 times, completed 59.9 percent of his passes, and finished with a Total QBR that was four points lower than Wentz’s this season. Sure, he was two biological years younger than Wentz. But he has gone on to play 12 more seasons and counting. The biggest difference between Roethlisberger’s fifth season and Wentz’s is the Steelers had the NFL’s top-ranked defense, rushed the ball 29 times per game, went 12-4, and won the Super Bowl.

    I know, I know. Oh, by the way, they won the Super Bowl. Scoff all you want. Point is, people are using Wentz’s individual numbers to conclude that he’s more cooked than a Trump Steak. But the only reason Roethlisberger’s regression wasn’t as bad as Wentz’s is Wentz’s numbers were better in his first four seasons.

    Matt Stafford, Ryan Tannehill, Derek Carr -- all have had seasons that were on par with Wentz’s current season. That might sound like faint praise, but keep your eye on the point: all have gone on to outperform those seasons.

    There’s a reason why ESPN.com’s preseason panel of executives, scouts and other personnel men ranked Wentz as the eighth-best quarterback in the game. There’s a reason why a recent story on that website quoted a variety of GMs as saying that Wentz was a victim of the team around him.

    Again, could they be wrong? No doubt. Could Jalen Hurts far outperform Wentz over the next four weeks? Absolutely. It might even be probable, given that Hurts is inarguably better equipped to run for his life. But it takes a lot longer than four games to establish oneself as a legitimate NFL starter. It’s highly unlikely that Hurts will show as much as Lamar Jackson did last season, and we’ve seen how quickly the league has adjusted to the reigning MVP.

    Fifty-six is greater than 16, and 12, and four. You want to compare numbers? That’s where you should start.

  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,235
    ^^^That is a good article and the Roethlisbeger comparison is a good one.^^^

    I'm thinking it's just a bad year for him with a bad team around him.

    Also, I'm surprised he hasn't got hurt with the pounding he's taken this season.
  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,186
    Where has this team been?
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
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    9/2/18- Boston, MA
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    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
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    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    eeriepadave said:
    Where has this team been?
    Saints seemed pretty disinterested most of the game.  Eagles defense played well. D-line especially was great.  Taysom Hill is pretty average though.   Nice effort by defensive backs with all the injuries.

    Hurts made some nice plays running the ball.  Was ok in the passing game.  Nice to see them getting Reagor a few more touches although not sure why he isn't returning punts all the time.

  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    edited December 2020
    The way Wentz is handled with kid gloves is hilarious. It is like night and day with how McNabb had to carry himself.

    The offense got out of the teens (!!) for the first time in over a month against one of the top defenses in the league. A fucking month.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited December 2020
    eeriepadave said:
    Where has this team been?
    Well having a quarterback who makes quick decisions, protects the football, and has mobility verses a quarterback who does not possess those qualities makes a world of a difference. 

    Edit---ha, forgot about the fumble. Point remains, though. I think this was the first game all year with no sacks and no ints and it happened against the best defense in the league. 
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  • The Juggler
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    I still do not understand why Fulgham is not out there more
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    The Juggler said:
    I still do not understand why Fulgham is not out there more
    I believe it was 0 snaps. Zero. I don’t get it.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Juggler said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Where has this team been?
    Well having a quarterback who makes quick decisions, protects the football, and has mobility verses a quarterback who does not possess those qualities makes a world of a difference. 

    Edit---ha, forgot about the fumble. Point remains, though. I think this was the first game all year with no sacks and no ints and it happened against the best defense in the league. 
    and probably should have had a pick 6 but the defensive back missed it.  Quick decisions was definitely a positive but most of those decisions were to just tuck it and run.  Not a long term viable plan in the passing game though.  Really impressed with his demeanor and overall calmness overall. 

    Pederson seemed to call a better game as well by limiting his down feel chances.

    I do find it funny the same media and fans who insisted Wentz had to stop running and playing loosely because it would lead to injuries are now the same ones praising Hurts for tucking the ball and running it a lot. 
  • The Juggler
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    pjhawks said:
    The Juggler said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Where has this team been?
    Well having a quarterback who makes quick decisions, protects the football, and has mobility verses a quarterback who does not possess those qualities makes a world of a difference. 

    Edit---ha, forgot about the fumble. Point remains, though. I think this was the first game all year with no sacks and no ints and it happened against the best defense in the league. 
    and probably should have had a pick 6 but the defensive back missed it.  Quick decisions was definitely a positive but most of those decisions were to just tuck it and run.  Not a long term viable plan in the passing game though.  Really impressed with his demeanor and overall calmness overall. 

    Pederson seemed to call a better game as well by limiting his down feel chances.

    I do find it funny the same media and fans who insisted Wentz had to stop running and playing loosely because it would lead to injuries are now the same ones praising Hurts for tucking the ball and running it a lot. 
    Haven't seen too much of that. From whom?

    Biggest criticism of Wentz, and rightly so, is holding onto the football entirely too long. Saw none of that yesterday. Refreshing change. 
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    Jearlpam0925 said:
    The Juggler said:
    I still do not understand why Fulgham is not out there more
    I believe it was 0 snaps. Zero. I don’t get it.
    Seriously? Wow I didn't even realize that. 
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  • pjhawks
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    The Juggler said:
    pjhawks said:
    The Juggler said:
    eeriepadave said:
    Where has this team been?
    Well having a quarterback who makes quick decisions, protects the football, and has mobility verses a quarterback who does not possess those qualities makes a world of a difference. 

    Edit---ha, forgot about the fumble. Point remains, though. I think this was the first game all year with no sacks and no ints and it happened against the best defense in the league. 
    and probably should have had a pick 6 but the defensive back missed it.  Quick decisions was definitely a positive but most of those decisions were to just tuck it and run.  Not a long term viable plan in the passing game though.  Really impressed with his demeanor and overall calmness overall. 

    Pederson seemed to call a better game as well by limiting his down feel chances.

    I do find it funny the same media and fans who insisted Wentz had to stop running and playing loosely because it would lead to injuries are now the same ones praising Hurts for tucking the ball and running it a lot. 
    Haven't seen too much of that. From whom?

    Biggest criticism of Wentz, and rightly so, is holding onto the football entirely too long. Saw none of that yesterday. Refreshing change. 
    well everyone praising his quick decisions...his quick decisions were mostly to tuck it and run in the passing game.

    and that reminds me, the one terrible Pederson play call was the 4th down where he had Hurts under center and try to run the sneak. Keep him in the gun and let him use his speed and decision making to get the 1st down not have him under center. he's not big enough to run the sneak with a clogged line there.  

    Fulgham getting no snaps makes no sense. I know Pederson said he had to work harder but come on no plays at all? I guess with a lot of 12 personnel plays that cuts down the receiver plays but not 1 for Alshon Jeffrey? 
  • The Juggler
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    Lol

    Yeah, give me "tuck and run" and throwing it away verses taking bad sacks and turning the ball over all day long, dude. Tons of injuries on the line requires a quarterback to not be a statue and to make decisions much faster than Carson was this year. Sorry. 
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    The Juggler said:
    Lol

    Yeah, give me "tuck and run" and throwing it away verses taking bad sacks and turning the ball over all day long, dude. Tons of injuries on the line requires a quarterback to not be a statue and to make decisions much faster than Carson was this year. Sorry. 
    lol dude I said his quick decisions were a good thing  BUT I am not wrong to say that almost everyone in the media and fan base has repeatedly said to Carson you can't play that way because it leads to injuries. fuck even a few people blamed last years cheap shot injury in the playoffs on Carson trying to make a play.  
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    pjhawks said:
    The Juggler said:
    Lol

    Yeah, give me "tuck and run" and throwing it away verses taking bad sacks and turning the ball over all day long, dude. Tons of injuries on the line requires a quarterback to not be a statue and to make decisions much faster than Carson was this year. Sorry. 
    lol dude I said his quick decisions were a good thing  BUT I am not wrong to say that almost everyone in the media and fan base has repeatedly said to Carson you can't play that way because it leads to injuries. fuck even a few people blamed last years cheap shot injury in the playoffs on Carson trying to make a play.  
    Yeah I don't know about that. Most people I talk to are fine with him either taking off running or throwing it away when nothing is there. Carson's big issue has been slow decision making which has lead to a lot of unnecessary sacks and turn overs. That is by far his biggest criticism from fans and media, and rightly so. 

    In fact, I think most people are mad that Doug didn't get him out of the pocket more often. You see that here in this thread. 

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