i'd accept 15 million per year for assholes to snap photos & send in to magazines to write bullshit stories on me. this would be a hoot.
im waiting.
i think theres good and bad for sure. The money would be good for sure. But would you really be up for the MJ level of fame, where you literally cant leave the house, because anywhere you go, anything you do, you have people following you. Asking you questions. Taking pictures. Wanting something. Some of these people cant even go to the damn grocery store without people doing this.
the lead singer of the band we know and love clearly had a MAJOR issue with it all, enough of an issue for him to by his own admission sabotage his own career. Read some interviews with Ed in 93 and 94, especially after Kurts death, and Ed was clearly a man on the verge of some horrific collapse, either by his own volition, or just exhaustion and fatigue and a mental breakdown. How many early PJ songs were written about the press hounding Ed? What would Ed say about that woman who rammed the car into his gate? Is that a fair trade off?
i also think alot of people think being rich and famous and a celebrity is all fun and games. who wouldnt want millions of dollars and starring in movies, and people fawning over you. I think the problem is thats only part of the story. And that whatever personal issues you have, they wont disappear if you get paid 20 million for an action film. They wont disappear if you have a bentley. In fact, its fair to say the issues are exasterbated and become bigger and more real as you become rich and famous. If the opposite were true, Kurt and Ed, would have found peace, and happiness during the grunge heydey. Clearly neither did. Kurt never did. And i'd argue Ed only found peace in the 2000's.
i also think alot of people think being rich and famous and a celebrity is all fun and games. who wouldnt want millions of dollars and starring in movies, and people fawning over you. I think the problem is thats only part of the story. And that whatever personal issues you have, they wont disappear if you get paid 20 million for an action film. They wont disappear if you have a bentley. In fact, its fair to say the issues are exasterbated and become bigger and more real as you become rich and famous. If the opposite were true, Kurt and Ed, would have found peace, and happiness during the grunge heydey. Clearly neither did. Kurt never did. And i'd argue Ed only found peace in the 2000's.
exactly. I don't envy these people in the least. Luckily, I shall never have that problem!
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I think you and others mistake some of it for attention seeking. Whatever you think of Beibers music, the guy clearly isnt looking to be followed while in his car like that, nor when he's out to dinner with a date or going to a grocery store. Thats invasive.
He is not looking for attention when he is driving a ferrari through LA? That to me seems like the definition of looking for attention. Bieber has to know his time in the spotlight won't last for ever so he needs photographers (to keep his name in the news) as much as they need him to make money. And I am not sure about Beiber but I have read more than a few stories about celebrities who actually work with the paparazzi, and forward them their schedules, so that they can always have someone taking their picture and they aren't forgotten. I mean most celebrities have publicists whose whole job description is to make sure their client is getting press coverage.
at this point and time, Bieber doesn't need the media. he's one of the biggest stars on the planet. driving your car through a city is asking for attention? I call that just living your daily life.
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I think you and others mistake some of it for attention seeking. Whatever you think of Beibers music, the guy clearly isnt looking to be followed while in his car like that, nor when he's out to dinner with a date or going to a grocery store. Thats invasive.
He is not looking for attention when he is driving a ferrari through LA? That to me seems like the definition of looking for attention. Bieber has to know his time in the spotlight won't last for ever so he needs photographers (to keep his name in the news) as much as they need him to make money. And I am not sure about Beiber but I have read more than a few stories about celebrities who actually work with the paparazzi, and forward them their schedules, so that they can always have someone taking their picture and they aren't forgotten. I mean most celebrities have publicists whose whole job description is to make sure their client is getting press coverage.
the guy has to have a personal life. And again, you can say his music sucks all you want but he deserves a private life. Google image search him on dates. Its absurd. He;s going out to dinner with his girlfriend. Nothing more. And the same thing happens to him, scores of papparazi hounding him as he enters, and then as he leaves, then as he enters his vehicle, then as he drives away.
He definitely lives it up no doubt about that. He drives a car worth more than most of our houses. But i dont think he forwarded anyone his schedule. He seemed genuinely saddened by the situation.
you are crazy if you think bieber instigated it or welcomed it in any way. For one, if he wanted his photo and paps taking his picture so bad, why not stop his car and get out and talk to the paps one on one and then he'd get what he wanted, if all he wanted was a US WEEKLY cover shot. The fact is, that photographer, like most paps, actively and recklessly pursue celebrities in cars, driving dangerously to capture picture after picture.
Biebers allowed to have some time to relax and not be pursued by paps. If every single Uncle Bruce song is correct, he drives around to clear his head and to think about things. Im sure Bruce isnt driving in some beat up car either. By your logic, the press and paps should be doing the same thing with Bruce and that they'd be justified, and that Bruce's merely riding around would mean he was marketing himself and his image and his brand.
Thats absurd, kel. I gave you multiple examples of celebrities going to the grocery store with their children. Surely, you would agree, the paps taking photos in such instances not only is wrong and unethical, but its clearly instigated and initiated by the paps and photographers, and is NOT a move by the celebrity to get in the pages of People.
you seem to be suggesting that a celebrity is marketing themselves 24/7. And celebrities are people too. They have private lives too. Take Ed for an example. If he's at a photo shoot for Spin, or RS, or is at a press conference before a gig, im sure he wouldnt mind the press attention. But if you followed him around in seattle and took photos of him and his family, chasing him in a car around town, snapping his picture, you can bet he'd be mighty upset, and justifiably so. He markets his music as well. Its not like PJ isnt a buisness. We just may like how they operate their buisness as compared to how a mainstream celebrity markets. But clearly there are times when shooting a photo of a celebrity isnt ethical or justified. Take this summers photos of Kate Middleton. You really think she would have been captured in that way, had she been aware that paps were hiding around corners?
No idea why people are discussing Bieber and whether or not he likes attention (duh - most people who get up on stage in front of thousands of screaming fans kind of like the spotlight I think). The photographer wasn't careful crossing the street - Bieber's behaviour actually has nothing to do with it. And that he likes to drive nice sports cars REALLY has nothing to do with it. Most guys who have millions and millions of dollars would do the same. Plus, the guy needs to get around, right?? I don't understand where this thread is going now. But btw, Bieber is STALKED by the Paparazzi. It's not his fault.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think you and others mistake some of it for attention seeking. Whatever you think of Beibers music, the guy clearly isnt looking to be followed while in his car like that, nor when he's out to dinner with a date or going to a grocery store. Thats invasive.
He is not looking for attention when he is driving a ferrari through LA? That to me seems like the definition of looking for attention. Bieber has to know his time in the spotlight won't last for ever so he needs photographers (to keep his name in the news) as much as they need him to make money. And I am not sure about Beiber but I have read more than a few stories about celebrities who actually work with the paparazzi, and forward them their schedules, so that they can always have someone taking their picture and they aren't forgotten. I mean most celebrities have publicists whose whole job description is to make sure their client is getting press coverage.
at this point and time, Bieber doesn't need the media. he's one of the biggest stars on the planet. driving your car through a city is asking for attention? I call that just living your daily life.
exactly. thats how he gets around town. He drives, therefore, just like you, when he needs to get somewhere he drives. Whats he supposed to do? And Its not like walking or taking the bus would cause less of a stir or would result in less photographers taking photos. Who knows what the hell he was doing, he could have needed gatorade from the supermarket or needed to go to Home Depot or was heading to a friends house, or was going to see a concert. kels assuming that everything Bieber does is self serving promotion.
Always look both ways before crossing the street.
No idea why people are discussing Bieber and whether or not he likes attention (duh - most people who get up on stage in front of thousands of screaming fans kind of like the spotlight I think). The photographer wasn't careful crossing the street - Bieber's behaviour actually has nothing to do with it. And that he likes to drive nice sports cars REALLY has nothing to do with it. Most guys who have millions and millions of dollars would do the same. Plus, the guy needs to get around, right?? I don't understand where this thread is going now.
No idea why people are discussing Bieber and whether or not he likes attention (duh - most people who get up on stage in front of thousands of screaming fans kind of like the spotlight I think). The photographer wasn't careful crossing the street - Bieber's behaviour actually has nothing to do with it. And that he likes to drive nice sports cars REALLY has nothing to do with it. Most guys who have millions and millions of dollars would do the same. Plus, the guy needs to get around, right?? I don't understand where this thread is going now. But btw, Bieber is STALKED by the Paparazzi. It's not his fault.
it started because kel, on the first page, suggested that most celebrities actively seek papparazi attention. And that standard was then applied to this incident, which clearly makes no sense at all. Kel also suggested that some celebrities dont court papparazi, which was a silly example to give, given the celebrities he cited have MAJOR issues with papparazi following them around. You really think Clooney would say he has it easy and isnt bothered by paparazzi and photographers?
I know, i know... celebrity.. public figure, blah-blah-blah... but, i tell you, seeing what they do... I almost feel sorry for guys like Justin Bieber having to deal with that shit.
Not sure about Bieber specifically but I think a lot of celebrities, at least the ones who are not super talented and famous, actually chase that Paparazzi attention. I mean when was the last time you heard about Johnny Depp or George Cloony being harassed by paparazzi? Those guys are way more famous than Bieber. But neither one of them lives full time in Hollywood and no tabloid is going to send a photographer to rural france to take Depp's picture. Instead it is the C and D list celebrities who go to trendy LA clubs that get photographed. And these are the same people who if not for the attention they get from these magazines would quickly be forgotten by the general public. I mean if you are a celebrity, why the hell would you live in hollywood other than the fact that you crave the attention. I mean sure it is a nice place to live, but there are tons of other super nice places too.
you live in LA because you want to break into the entertainment industry, be an artist, actor, musician etc... As Maynard said, living in LA is horrible if you want to raise a family, but if you have a vision, an artistic vision, its the perfect place, lots of resources.
No idea why people are discussing Bieber and whether or not he likes attention (duh - most people who get up on stage in front of thousands of screaming fans kind of like the spotlight I think). The photographer wasn't careful crossing the street - Bieber's behaviour actually has nothing to do with it. And that he likes to drive nice sports cars REALLY has nothing to do with it. Most guys who have millions and millions of dollars would do the same. Plus, the guy needs to get around, right?? I don't understand where this thread is going now. But btw, Bieber is STALKED by the Paparazzi. It's not his fault.
you think Ed and Kurt and Layne all liked the spotlight? or were they just sharing their music with people who liked it?
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you live in LA because you want to break into the entertainment industry, be an artist, actor, musician etc... As Maynard said, living in LA is horrible if you want to raise a family, but if you have a vision, an artistic vision, its the perfect place, lots of resources.
I live in LA because I was born here and we've made a good life for ourselves in this city - well outside of the art/entertainment industry.
And I'll stand by the fact that while I don't condone invasions of privacy, many famous people (again, famous for what?) do seek out attention from the media; I think it makes them feel validated somehow. (plus, the old "even bad PR is good PR" mentality)
Always look both ways before crossing the street.
No idea why people are discussing Bieber and whether or not he likes attention (duh - most people who get up on stage in front of thousands of screaming fans kind of like the spotlight I think). The photographer wasn't careful crossing the street - Bieber's behaviour actually has nothing to do with it. And that he likes to drive nice sports cars REALLY has nothing to do with it. Most guys who have millions and millions of dollars would do the same. Plus, the guy needs to get around, right?? I don't understand where this thread is going now.
Whoa whoa...reason and sensibility?
pffft!
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I know.
And have you ever driven the Sepulveda Blvd. bypass? That and the Cahuenga Blvd. bypass that runs along the 101 Cahuenga pass are dark and fast with a couple of tricky little curves. I feel safer on the 405 or 101 through the corridors than i do on the bypass roads. Only an idiot would be out there as a pedestrian. Cop cars are lit up like Christmas Trees... people... not so much.
He made a terrible, terrible decision... and paid for that poor choice with his life.
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I live in LA because I was born here and we've made a good life for ourselves in this city - well outside of the art/entertainment industry.
And I'll stand by the fact that while I don't condone invasions of privacy, many famous people (again, famous for what?) do seek out attention from the media; I think it makes them feel validated somehow. (plus, the old "even bad PR is good PR" mentality)
Then again, I could be wrong.
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No. you are right. There are people who are out there in the entertainment business... then, there are the Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton, Kardashian spores out there doing whatever it takes to gain publicity.
And here is what happens...
A Kardashian... let's say, Skank Kardashian (she's the oldest one, right?) alerts the papparazzi that they are going to be at the hot new club du jour, Club Calmedia. The Flies with their cameras swarm.
Two doors down, some unknown local singer songwriter is playing at the Hotel Cafe. Her friend, Lisa Loeb, shows up in support and sings some songs with her. After their gig, they pack their guitars and walk to their parked cars.
The Papparazzi swarm.
Now... Lisa Loeb is not in the spotlight... she's just a singer who lives and works in L.A. Just because she is known as a public figure... she is not fair game for the TMZ scumbags. Her photos don't fetch a dime... but, they swarm with their strobes. They suck.
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The bright spot in all of this... Club Clamedia goes off the hot list a week later and closes its doors and the place turns into an Urban Outfitters.
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you live in LA because you want to break into the entertainment industry, be an artist, actor, musician etc... As Maynard said, living in LA is horrible if you want to raise a family, but if you have a vision, an artistic vision, its the perfect place, lots of resources.
I live in LA because I was born here and we've made a good life for ourselves in this city - well outside of the art/entertainment industry.
And I'll stand by the fact that while I don't condone invasions of privacy, many famous people (again, famous for what?) do seek out attention from the media; I think it makes them feel validated somehow. (plus, the old "even bad PR is good PR" mentality)
Then again, I could be wrong.
i know of few celebrities or famous people who believe in marketing themselves at the expense of their privacy. Even the Kardashians and Paris Hilton who are universally disliked for being attention seekers, they too deserve a private life. Paparazzi behaving the same way towards the people i just named wouldnt be any less abhorrant. In my view, i see alot less of celebrities actively seeking attention by the paps, than i do, celebrities merely walking the streets, or out to dinner, or out shopping. Or walking with their children. In my view celebrities usually do exactly what i mentioned. They play the game at press conferences or red carpets. Going to the supermarket with your child or coming out of yoga class clearly is not a desperate grab for attention and marketing.
You ever read The Daily mail or TMZ or perez or US Weekly? The stories usually arent blazen and bold marketing hype by celebrities. Usually the celebrities are captured in boring everyday actions, going to the store, getting some frozen yogurt, going to yoga, getting some coffee.
Few celebrities are going to want to risk their lives, the publics lives, and paps lives by going on a high speed chase in a major city. Bieber clearly didnt want to be followed. And you ask most celebrities, just like most regular people, they dont like being followed or chased. Going to a club or a bar is different because its a clear public activity. Going to starbucks or the grocery store is public to a certain extent, but from a marketing standpoint, i dont think many celebrities are alerting TMZ to tell them they are going to a yoga class
1. limit your photos. Spending 20 minutes taking hundreds of photos with bright bulbs, and getting in the celebrities face and space is not justified.
2. Asking a celebrity if its ok to take their photo. If they say yes, refer back to number 1. And also, if the celebrity says no, politely say thanks, and leave.
3. If a child is involved, dont take the photo. Dont get in the celebrities face or ask them questions if they have a child with them.
4. If a celebrity is in a car, worry about driving, and not taking pictures. If a celebrity sees you following them, and speeds off, or turns, take that as you would anything, that the celebrity isnt interested and doesnt want their photo taken. Chasing the celebrity in a car is something that should never be done.
5. Do we really need pictures of celebrities leaving stores, gyms, restaraunts, suntanning on the beach etc...? See 1 and 2 if you see a celebrity in such a situation.
part of the problem and we're all guilty of it as a result of the internet age, is that tmz, perez and ET all believe they are doing us a service. We want to know what our favorite musicians and movie stars are up to when they arent making movies. What is Tool up to the last 7 years? What has Maynard been doing? Where do all the Tool band members live?
We're all guilty of this because in 2013, theres no privacy anymore. We know via Twitter and TMZ up to the minute what our favorite musician is thinking or reading or doing. We know what their kids look like. What their wives look like. What their favorite drinks and food are. We have access to every interview they've ever given. And we can see pictures of their houses and cars. We can see YouTube video of their concert last night even if the concert was in Florida and we were fast asleep in Seattle.
this is all part of the problem, And its something we all participate in. In large part because no one wants to feel left out.
In that atmosphere, people start to consider nothing as private. There are millions of photos of brad and angelina on the beach or with their kids. Therefore they actively seek out fame and paps, and their private life isnt private. Because if it was private, why would it be on the internet?
1. limit your photos. Spending 20 minutes taking hundreds of photos with bright bulbs, and getting in the celebrities face and space is not justified.
2. Asking a celebrity if its ok to take their photo. If they say yes, refer back to number 1. And also, if the celebrity says no, politely say thanks, and leave.
3. If a child is involved, dont take the photo. Dont get in the celebrities face or ask them questions if they have a child with them.
4. If a celebrity is in a car, worry about driving, and not taking pictures. If a celebrity sees you following them, and speeds off, or turns, take that as you would anything, that the celebrity isnt interested and doesnt want their photo taken. Chasing the celebrity in a car is something that should never be done.
5. Do we really need pictures of celebrities leaving stores, gyms, restaraunts, suntanning on the beach etc...? See 1 and 2 if you see a celebrity in such a situation.
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They are scum. You should have seen them at the Wiltern when Sean Penn was there to see Eddie Vedder... disgusting.
And they spend a lot of time eating and sleeping in their cars... they are up early to catch someone jogging... then off to catch someone going out for lunch and all the way til the night clubs close... which leaves little time for showers and toothbrushes... and deoderant. Remember that terrorist guy they caught in Pakistan and waterboarded in Guantanamo Bay... the guy that looked sort of like John Belushi? Picture that guy (or a guy that looks like that, about that age, about that build)... those are the guys behind the cameras. Add stale cigarette smell and third degree B.O. and a very rude/shoving attitude... and there you have it. Standard Papparazzi.
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part of the problem and we're all guilty of it as a result of the internet age, is that tmz, perez and ET all believe they are doing us a service. We want to know what our favorite musicians and movie stars are up to when they arent making movies. What is Tool up to the last 7 years? What has Maynard been doing? Where do all the Tool band members live?
We're all guilty of this because in 2013, theres no privacy anymore. We know via Twitter and TMZ up to the minute what our favorite musician is thinking or reading or doing. We know what their kids look like. What their wives look like. What their favorite drinks and food are. We have access to every interview they've ever given. And we can see pictures of their houses and cars. We can see YouTube video of their concert last night even if the concert was in Florida and we were fast asleep in Seattle.
this is all part of the problem, And its something we all participate in. In large part because no one wants to feel left out.
In that atmosphere, people start to consider nothing as private. There are millions of photos of brad and angelina on the beach or with their kids. Therefore they actively seek out fame and paps, and their private life isnt private. Because if it was private, why would it be on the internet?
Much as I love Tool's music and pretty much anything Maynard participates in, I have no desire to know about their private lives...to seek out that information. I don't watch TMZ or read similar websites or follow/use Twitter and the like.
That said, I agree about the right to privacy; just seems like many want to have it both ways, and I just don't think it's possible, unfortunately.
I still have no idea what this guy getting hit by a car has to do with how many photos paps take, who they follow, etc.... One has nothing to do with the other. Just sayin'. Sorry, I suppose I'm being a thread topic stickler right now, but the thread is about how a guy died... :? I think the thread should be about how paps should be SAFE while doing their jobs. Not about whether or not they're invading someone's privacy. (well, actually, I don't really think this is quite AMT worthy in the first place - some dude got hit by a car because he didn't look both ways after taking picks of the Bieb's car ... not exactly breaking news).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Much as I love Tool's music and pretty much anything Maynard participates in, I have no desire to know about their private lives...to seek out that information. I don't watch TMZ or read similar websites or follow/use Twitter and the like.
That said, I agree about the right to privacy; just seems like many want to have it both ways, and I just don't think it's possible, unfortunately.
PS - Cosmo, loved the club name
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Imagine what a 1993/1994 Eddie Vedder or Kurt Cobain would be facing in the Facebook Age with a camera... literally... in the hand of every person out there.
And you and MusicIsMyLife are right... it is the whole idea about being a 'hardcore' fan that you need to know every aspect of a person's life. In the day and age of Twitter and Facebook and people always wanting the be the first one to break some story... Tweet that Dave Grohl is at the Trader Joe's... snap a shot or two hundred of Eddie Vedder at the airport.
I mean, it's okay to see Dave Grohl or Eddie Vedder after a gig or something because that is the element they work in... they perform in front of a sold out theater... yeah, fans are going to be there and they accept that.
But, not at a dinner table or the airport or the Trader Joes. Out there... they are just guys having dinner with their friends or getting on a plane or picking up some stuff from their wife's grocery list.
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part of the problem and we're all guilty of it as a result of the internet age, is that tmz, perez and ET all believe they are doing us a service. We want to know what our favorite musicians and movie stars are up to when they arent making movies. What is Tool up to the last 7 years? What has Maynard been doing? Where do all the Tool band members live?
We're all guilty of this because in 2013, theres no privacy anymore. We know via Twitter and TMZ up to the minute what our favorite musician is thinking or reading or doing. We know what their kids look like. What their wives look like. What their favorite drinks and food are. We have access to every interview they've ever given. And we can see pictures of their houses and cars. We can see YouTube video of their concert last night even if the concert was in Florida and we were fast asleep in Seattle.
this is all part of the problem, And its something we all participate in. In large part because no one wants to feel left out.
In that atmosphere, people start to consider nothing as private. There are millions of photos of brad and angelina on the beach or with their kids. Therefore they actively seek out fame and paps, and their private life isnt private. Because if it was private, why would it be on the internet?
Much as I love Tool's music and pretty much anything Maynard participates in, I have no desire to know about their private lives...to seek out that information. I don't watch TMZ or read similar websites or follow/use Twitter and the like.
That said, I agree about the right to privacy; just seems like many want to have it both ways, and I just don't think it's possible, unfortunately.
PS - Cosmo, loved the club name
I don't really care about these people's personal lives either (I do care about a few people's professional lives though, and paps do cover that as well). But for the record, TMZ is hilarious. I know it's trash and it does talk about the personal as well as professional/public business of famous people, but they make a point of making fun of paps and the whole idea of celebrity and celebrity chasing, and I think that show is funny as hell.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
part of the problem and we're all guilty of it as a result of the internet age, is that tmz, perez and ET all believe they are doing us a service. We want to know what our favorite musicians and movie stars are up to when they arent making movies. What is Tool up to the last 7 years? What has Maynard been doing? Where do all the Tool band members live?
We're all guilty of this because in 2013, theres no privacy anymore. We know via Twitter and TMZ up to the minute what our favorite musician is thinking or reading or doing. We know what their kids look like. What their wives look like. What their favorite drinks and food are. We have access to every interview they've ever given. And we can see pictures of their houses and cars. We can see YouTube video of their concert last night even if the concert was in Florida and we were fast asleep in Seattle.
this is all part of the problem, And its something we all participate in. In large part because no one wants to feel left out.
In that atmosphere, people start to consider nothing as private. There are millions of photos of brad and angelina on the beach or with their kids. Therefore they actively seek out fame and paps, and their private life isnt private. Because if it was private, why would it be on the internet?
Much as I love Tool's music and pretty much anything Maynard participates in, I have no desire to know about their private lives...to seek out that information. I don't watch TMZ or read similar websites or follow/use Twitter and the like.
That said, I agree about the right to privacy; just seems like many want to have it both ways, and I just don't think it's possible, unfortunately.
PS - Cosmo, loved the club name
this board, and myself included participate in it. Alot of us could name certain band members children names, and recognize pictures of their wives. We know about their childhoods. What their family life was like. We even know their grandmothers name.
I think it has to be possible, and private and public life. I'd argue that the chaos of your private life becoming public is the cause of alot of disaster in celebrities lives. A good example of this would be Dave Chappelle. Who explicitly blamed hollywood and celebrity culture on not only his own freakout and move to Africa, but also the crash and burn of alot of young hollywood stars. He blamed the entire system of Hollywood and fame for the meltdown of so many talented young stars.
And alot of this stuff is so pervasive, even those of us who think its crap, and garbage, and that ET and US Weekly are rubbish, we all get sucked into it. How many of us know who Taylor Swift dated in the past? How many kids do Brad and Angelina have, and why are their kids often talked about, whats unique about them? Who was Ben Harper married to for years? What happened in the private lives of Britney and Lindsay Lohan in the last decade that made them tabloid favorites? Alot of people know these answers. We pick this up, just by living in this culture, in society, and because its so pervasive.
We dont think celebrities have private lives, because they largely dont have private lives. If you cant go to get food without people taking your picture, you dont have a private life.
I still have no idea what this guy getting hit by a car has to do with how many photos paps take, who they follow, etc.... One has nothing to do with the other. Just sayin'. Sorry, I suppose I'm being a thread topic stickler right now, but the thread is about how a guy died... :? I think the thread should be about how paps should be SAFE while doing their jobs. Not about whether or not they're invading someone's privacy. (well, actually, I don't really think this is quite AMT worthy in the first place - some dude got hit by a car because he didn't look both ways after taking picks of the Bieb's car ... not exactly breaking news).
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I think it is what his job is... what he was doing... that got him killed. He was more concerned about getting a picture of someone, who is not Justin Bieber, getting a ticket at a police traffic stop in Justin Bieber's car.
That... is what cost him his life.
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We got side tracked because of the occupation (if you can call it that) of Papparazzi is scummy and is done by scummy people.
As for me... personally... Papparazzi is a job I wish would get outsourced to China. Them and ticket scalpers. I wouldn't mind if America lost those jobs forever.
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part of the problem and we're all guilty of it as a result of the internet age, is that tmz, perez and ET all believe they are doing us a service. We want to know what our favorite musicians and movie stars are up to when they arent making movies. What is Tool up to the last 7 years? What has Maynard been doing? Where do all the Tool band members live?
We're all guilty of this because in 2013, theres no privacy anymore. We know via Twitter and TMZ up to the minute what our favorite musician is thinking or reading or doing. We know what their kids look like. What their wives look like. What their favorite drinks and food are. We have access to every interview they've ever given. And we can see pictures of their houses and cars. We can see YouTube video of their concert last night even if the concert was in Florida and we were fast asleep in Seattle.
this is all part of the problem, And its something we all participate in. In large part because no one wants to feel left out.
In that atmosphere, people start to consider nothing as private. There are millions of photos of brad and angelina on the beach or with their kids. Therefore they actively seek out fame and paps, and their private life isnt private. Because if it was private, why would it be on the internet?
Much as I love Tool's music and pretty much anything Maynard participates in, I have no desire to know about their private lives...to seek out that information. I don't watch TMZ or read similar websites or follow/use Twitter and the like.
That said, I agree about the right to privacy; just seems like many want to have it both ways, and I just don't think it's possible, unfortunately.
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I don't care about these people's personal lives either (I do care about a few people's professional lives though, and paps do cover that as well). But for the record, TMZ is hilarious. I know it's trash, but they make a point of making fun of paps and the whole idea of celebrity, and I think that show is funny as hell.
I dont find TMZ funny or the least bit useful. they dont provide a service to society. they do the same thing the guy who chased bieber did. Right now, on their site, are pictures of Rihanna and Chris Brown outside a fast food joint, jessica alba at the beach, Leo's yacht party pictures, sofia vergara at a nightclub, Hunger Games actor at the beach, and Lindsay Lohan going to a restaurant, and Kim kardashian heading to the gym. All are pictures of the private life of a celebrity. None of these actions were noteworthy, none were public displays of marketing, all were normal everyday actions normal people engage in.
Much as I love Tool's music and pretty much anything Maynard participates in, I have no desire to know about their private lives...to seek out that information. I don't watch TMZ or read similar websites or follow/use Twitter and the like.
That said, I agree about the right to privacy; just seems like many want to have it both ways, and I just don't think it's possible, unfortunately.
PS - Cosmo, loved the club name
I don't care about these people's personal lives either (I do care about a few people's professional lives though, and paps do cover that as well). But for the record, TMZ is hilarious. I know it's trash, but they make a point of making fun of paps and the whole idea of celebrity, and I think that show is funny as hell.
I dont find TMZ funny or the least bit useful. they dont provide a service to society. they do the same thing the guy who chased bieber did. Right now, on their site, are pictures of Rihanna and Chris Brown outside a fast food joint, jessica alba at the beach, Leo's yacht party pictures, sofia vergara at a nightclub, Hunger Games actor at the beach, and Lindsay Lohan going to a restaurant, and Kim kardashian heading to the gym. All are pictures of the private life of a celebrity. None of these actions were noteworthy, none were public displays of marketing, all were normal everyday actions normal people engage in.
I didn't say they were useful (aside from brainless entertainment for some). I have never seen their website, but the TV show makes me laugh. I certainly don't expect everyone to like it! Especially not around here. I personally am not disgusted by most paps, because they are just out trying to earn a buck (I make an exception for those who endanger lives in celebrity car chases; the guy who died was not doing that). If you're going to blame someone, blame all the millions and millions of people who like what they produce (me included, since I watch TMZ on TV - although that's it. I have no interest at all in any other of that stuff. I like TMZ because I like the staff/hosts of the show, not because I care about celebrity gossip).... And don't forget to give the celebrities their fair share of responsibility. They know what they are getting into when they seek fame or choose to be famous in the first place.
Also, that guy died not because he is paparazzi, really. He HAPPENED to be taking a photo of that car, but he died because he wasn't paying attention to what he was doing AFTER he was taking photos. He did not die chasing Bieber. It could have happened when he was out getting a coffee too.
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I don't care about these people's personal lives either (I do care about a few people's professional lives though, and paps do cover that as well). But for the record, TMZ is hilarious. I know it's trash, but they make a point of making fun of paps and the whole idea of celebrity, and I think that show is funny as hell.[/quote]
I dont find TMZ funny or the least bit useful. they dont provide a service to society. they do the same thing the guy who chased bieber did. Right now, on their site, are pictures of Rihanna and Chris Brown outside a fast food joint, jessica alba at the beach, Leo's yacht party pictures, sofia vergara at a nightclub, Hunger Games actor at the beach, and Lindsay Lohan going to a restaurant, and Kim kardashian heading to the gym. All are pictures of the private life of a celebrity. None of these actions were noteworthy, none were public displays of marketing, all were normal everyday actions normal people engage in.[/quote]
I didn't say they were useful (aside from brainless entertainment for some). I have never seen their website, but the TV show makes me laugh. I certainly don't expect everyone to like it! Especially not around here. I personally am not disgusted by most paps, because they are just out trying to earn a buck (I make an exception for those who endanger lives in celebrity car chases; the guy who died was not doing that). If you're going to blame someone, blame all the millions and millions of people who like what they produce (me included, since I watch TMZ on TV - although that's it. I have no interest at all in any other of that stuff. I like TMZ because I like the staff/hosts of the show, not because I care about celebrity gossip).... And don't forget to give the celebrities their fair share of responsibility. They know what they are getting into when they seek fame or choose to be famous in the first place.
Also, that guy died not because he is paparazzi, really. He HAPPENED to be taking a photo of that car, but he died because he wasn't paying attention to what he was doing AFTER he was taking photos. He did not die chasing Bieber. It could have happened when he was out getting a coffee too.[/quote]
the guy was killed by another car, but he was out there in the first place trying to score a picture of Bieber smoking pot. Evidently bieber and the photographer have a history, and that the guy was known for stalking bieber.
As i said, few normal people know what someone like bieber or Clooney has to deal with. What that can do to your psyche or mental and emotional state, much less your regular life. Appearing in a movie, or being a megarich pop star doesnt mean the paparazzi get to stalk you and take pictures of you going out on a date. Theres no contract obligation on the part of anyone that says "once you become a celebrity you have to put up with zillions of photographers trying to get your picture as you get a latte from Starbucks". Ed certainly didnt know what he was getting into. Neither did Kurt. We could sit here and name a million celebrities who also didnt know what they were getting into.
Again, you are confusing things. Events like movie premieres, press conferences, appearances at Comicon, press conferences at Cannes, red carpets. Those are legitimate places where press can take pictures galore and get up close and personal with the celebrities. However, celebrities out on dinner dates or going for a drive, or working out at the gym, those are not the times to take pictures nor are they public events.
I don't care about these people's personal lives either (I do care about a few people's professional lives though, and paps do cover that as well). But for the record, TMZ is hilarious. I know it's trash, but they make a point of making fun of paps and the whole idea of celebrity, and I think that show is funny as hell.[/quote]
I dont find TMZ funny or the least bit useful. they dont provide a service to society. they do the same thing the guy who chased bieber did. Right now, on their site, are pictures of Rihanna and Chris Brown outside a fast food joint, jessica alba at the beach, Leo's yacht party pictures, sofia vergara at a nightclub, Hunger Games actor at the beach, and Lindsay Lohan going to a restaurant, and Kim kardashian heading to the gym. All are pictures of the private life of a celebrity. None of these actions were noteworthy, none were public displays of marketing, all were normal everyday actions normal people engage in.[/quote]
I didn't say they were useful (aside from brainless entertainment for some). I have never seen their website, but the TV show makes me laugh. I certainly don't expect everyone to like it! Especially not around here. I personally am not disgusted by most paps, because they are just out trying to earn a buck (I make an exception for those who endanger lives in celebrity car chases; the guy who died was not doing that). If you're going to blame someone, blame all the millions and millions of people who like what they produce (me included, since I watch TMZ on TV - although that's it. I have no interest at all in any other of that stuff. I like TMZ because I like the staff/hosts of the show, not because I care about celebrity gossip).... And don't forget to give the celebrities their fair share of responsibility. They know what they are getting into when they seek fame or choose to be famous in the first place.
Also, that guy died not because he is paparazzi, really. He HAPPENED to be taking a photo of that car, but he died because he wasn't paying attention to what he was doing AFTER he was taking photos. He did not die chasing Bieber. It could have happened when he was out getting a coffee too.[/quote]
the guy was killed by another car, but he was out there in the first place trying to score a picture of Bieber smoking pot. Evidently bieber and the photographer have a history, and that the guy was known for stalking bieber.
As i said, few normal people know what someone like bieber or Clooney has to deal with. What that can do to your psyche or mental and emotional state, much less your regular life. Appearing in a movie, or being a megarich pop star doesnt mean the paparazzi get to stalk you and take pictures of you going out on a date. Theres no contract obligation on the part of anyone that says "once you become a celebrity you have to put up with zillions of photographers trying to get your picture as you get a latte from Starbucks". Ed certainly didnt know what he was getting into. Neither did Kurt. We could sit here and name a million celebrities who also didnt know what they were getting into.
Again, you are confusing things. Events like movie premieres, press conferences, appearances at Comicon, press conferences at Cannes, red carpets. Those are legitimate places where press can take pictures galore and get up close and personal with the celebrities. However, celebrities out on dinner dates or going for a drive, or working out at the gym, those are not the times to take pictures nor are they public events.[/quote]
But they are public places... Anyway, don't misunderstand me. I don't think it's all cool (as I say, I like TMZ, but just because those people on the show are really likeable (and they talk about lots of stuff away from celebrities, actually; often, the celebrity just reminds them about something unrelated). I understand that the paps industry is slimy. However, what they do is legal, and it is a big money maker. We don't have to respect it, but until laws are created to keep them from following people in public places and legally taking photos of them in public places, then I don't see how we can really justify vilifying them either, unless they are endangering other people's safety, like they were with that Bieber car chase last summer, or when Princess Di was killed, or those photos of Kate topless while in a private compound (charges are being sought in all of those cases).
Anyway, it's a funny industry. It is totally a fact that the paps are necessary for many celebrities' careers. And at the same time they hate them... Seems to me a real love/hate relationship.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
there is also a mass contradiction in the business. you see it right here on the website. as hedonist said, you can't have it both ways. but, go to the Porch, and you'll see posts about people wishing the band members happy birthday, or congratulating the lead singer getting married, and that is not only tolerated, it's encouraged because it comes from a "loving and supportive" place. But people on here get in shit if they post anything that might be deemed "intrusive". I think that all of that shit should be left alone. None of it is our business. Not the good, not the bad.
allowing the "good" intrusiveness encourages the "bad" intrusiveness in my opinion. because people who are interested in knowing about a celebrity's private life doesn't know the difference.
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i think theres good and bad for sure. The money would be good for sure. But would you really be up for the MJ level of fame, where you literally cant leave the house, because anywhere you go, anything you do, you have people following you. Asking you questions. Taking pictures. Wanting something. Some of these people cant even go to the damn grocery store without people doing this.
the lead singer of the band we know and love clearly had a MAJOR issue with it all, enough of an issue for him to by his own admission sabotage his own career. Read some interviews with Ed in 93 and 94, especially after Kurts death, and Ed was clearly a man on the verge of some horrific collapse, either by his own volition, or just exhaustion and fatigue and a mental breakdown. How many early PJ songs were written about the press hounding Ed? What would Ed say about that woman who rammed the car into his gate? Is that a fair trade off?
exactly. I don't envy these people in the least. Luckily, I shall never have that problem!
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at this point and time, Bieber doesn't need the media. he's one of the biggest stars on the planet. driving your car through a city is asking for attention? I call that just living your daily life.
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the guy has to have a personal life. And again, you can say his music sucks all you want but he deserves a private life. Google image search him on dates. Its absurd. He;s going out to dinner with his girlfriend. Nothing more. And the same thing happens to him, scores of papparazi hounding him as he enters, and then as he leaves, then as he enters his vehicle, then as he drives away.
He definitely lives it up no doubt about that. He drives a car worth more than most of our houses. But i dont think he forwarded anyone his schedule. He seemed genuinely saddened by the situation.
you are crazy if you think bieber instigated it or welcomed it in any way. For one, if he wanted his photo and paps taking his picture so bad, why not stop his car and get out and talk to the paps one on one and then he'd get what he wanted, if all he wanted was a US WEEKLY cover shot. The fact is, that photographer, like most paps, actively and recklessly pursue celebrities in cars, driving dangerously to capture picture after picture.
Biebers allowed to have some time to relax and not be pursued by paps. If every single Uncle Bruce song is correct, he drives around to clear his head and to think about things. Im sure Bruce isnt driving in some beat up car either. By your logic, the press and paps should be doing the same thing with Bruce and that they'd be justified, and that Bruce's merely riding around would mean he was marketing himself and his image and his brand.
Thats absurd, kel. I gave you multiple examples of celebrities going to the grocery store with their children. Surely, you would agree, the paps taking photos in such instances not only is wrong and unethical, but its clearly instigated and initiated by the paps and photographers, and is NOT a move by the celebrity to get in the pages of People.
No idea why people are discussing Bieber and whether or not he likes attention (duh - most people who get up on stage in front of thousands of screaming fans kind of like the spotlight I think). The photographer wasn't careful crossing the street - Bieber's behaviour actually has nothing to do with it. And that he likes to drive nice sports cars REALLY has nothing to do with it. Most guys who have millions and millions of dollars would do the same. Plus, the guy needs to get around, right?? I don't understand where this thread is going now. But btw, Bieber is STALKED by the Paparazzi. It's not his fault.
exactly. thats how he gets around town. He drives, therefore, just like you, when he needs to get somewhere he drives. Whats he supposed to do? And Its not like walking or taking the bus would cause less of a stir or would result in less photographers taking photos. Who knows what the hell he was doing, he could have needed gatorade from the supermarket or needed to go to Home Depot or was heading to a friends house, or was going to see a concert. kels assuming that everything Bieber does is self serving promotion.
pffft!
it started because kel, on the first page, suggested that most celebrities actively seek papparazi attention. And that standard was then applied to this incident, which clearly makes no sense at all. Kel also suggested that some celebrities dont court papparazi, which was a silly example to give, given the celebrities he cited have MAJOR issues with papparazi following them around. You really think Clooney would say he has it easy and isnt bothered by paparazzi and photographers?
you live in LA because you want to break into the entertainment industry, be an artist, actor, musician etc... As Maynard said, living in LA is horrible if you want to raise a family, but if you have a vision, an artistic vision, its the perfect place, lots of resources.
you think Ed and Kurt and Layne all liked the spotlight? or were they just sharing their music with people who liked it?
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And I'll stand by the fact that while I don't condone invasions of privacy, many famous people (again, famous for what?) do seek out attention from the media; I think it makes them feel validated somehow. (plus, the old "even bad PR is good PR" mentality)
Then again, I could be wrong.
I know.
And have you ever driven the Sepulveda Blvd. bypass? That and the Cahuenga Blvd. bypass that runs along the 101 Cahuenga pass are dark and fast with a couple of tricky little curves. I feel safer on the 405 or 101 through the corridors than i do on the bypass roads. Only an idiot would be out there as a pedestrian. Cop cars are lit up like Christmas Trees... people... not so much.
He made a terrible, terrible decision... and paid for that poor choice with his life.
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No. you are right. There are people who are out there in the entertainment business... then, there are the Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton, Kardashian spores out there doing whatever it takes to gain publicity.
And here is what happens...
A Kardashian... let's say, Skank Kardashian (she's the oldest one, right?) alerts the papparazzi that they are going to be at the hot new club du jour, Club Calmedia. The Flies with their cameras swarm.
Two doors down, some unknown local singer songwriter is playing at the Hotel Cafe. Her friend, Lisa Loeb, shows up in support and sings some songs with her. After their gig, they pack their guitars and walk to their parked cars.
The Papparazzi swarm.
Now... Lisa Loeb is not in the spotlight... she's just a singer who lives and works in L.A. Just because she is known as a public figure... she is not fair game for the TMZ scumbags. Her photos don't fetch a dime... but, they swarm with their strobes. They suck.
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The bright spot in all of this... Club Clamedia goes off the hot list a week later and closes its doors and the place turns into an Urban Outfitters.
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i know of few celebrities or famous people who believe in marketing themselves at the expense of their privacy. Even the Kardashians and Paris Hilton who are universally disliked for being attention seekers, they too deserve a private life. Paparazzi behaving the same way towards the people i just named wouldnt be any less abhorrant. In my view, i see alot less of celebrities actively seeking attention by the paps, than i do, celebrities merely walking the streets, or out to dinner, or out shopping. Or walking with their children. In my view celebrities usually do exactly what i mentioned. They play the game at press conferences or red carpets. Going to the supermarket with your child or coming out of yoga class clearly is not a desperate grab for attention and marketing.
You ever read The Daily mail or TMZ or perez or US Weekly? The stories usually arent blazen and bold marketing hype by celebrities. Usually the celebrities are captured in boring everyday actions, going to the store, getting some frozen yogurt, going to yoga, getting some coffee.
Few celebrities are going to want to risk their lives, the publics lives, and paps lives by going on a high speed chase in a major city. Bieber clearly didnt want to be followed. And you ask most celebrities, just like most regular people, they dont like being followed or chased. Going to a club or a bar is different because its a clear public activity. Going to starbucks or the grocery store is public to a certain extent, but from a marketing standpoint, i dont think many celebrities are alerting TMZ to tell them they are going to a yoga class
As far as im concerned its common sense
1. limit your photos. Spending 20 minutes taking hundreds of photos with bright bulbs, and getting in the celebrities face and space is not justified.
2. Asking a celebrity if its ok to take their photo. If they say yes, refer back to number 1. And also, if the celebrity says no, politely say thanks, and leave.
3. If a child is involved, dont take the photo. Dont get in the celebrities face or ask them questions if they have a child with them.
4. If a celebrity is in a car, worry about driving, and not taking pictures. If a celebrity sees you following them, and speeds off, or turns, take that as you would anything, that the celebrity isnt interested and doesnt want their photo taken. Chasing the celebrity in a car is something that should never be done.
5. Do we really need pictures of celebrities leaving stores, gyms, restaraunts, suntanning on the beach etc...? See 1 and 2 if you see a celebrity in such a situation.
We're all guilty of this because in 2013, theres no privacy anymore. We know via Twitter and TMZ up to the minute what our favorite musician is thinking or reading or doing. We know what their kids look like. What their wives look like. What their favorite drinks and food are. We have access to every interview they've ever given. And we can see pictures of their houses and cars. We can see YouTube video of their concert last night even if the concert was in Florida and we were fast asleep in Seattle.
this is all part of the problem, And its something we all participate in. In large part because no one wants to feel left out.
In that atmosphere, people start to consider nothing as private. There are millions of photos of brad and angelina on the beach or with their kids. Therefore they actively seek out fame and paps, and their private life isnt private. Because if it was private, why would it be on the internet?
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They are scum. You should have seen them at the Wiltern when Sean Penn was there to see Eddie Vedder... disgusting.
And they spend a lot of time eating and sleeping in their cars... they are up early to catch someone jogging... then off to catch someone going out for lunch and all the way til the night clubs close... which leaves little time for showers and toothbrushes... and deoderant. Remember that terrorist guy they caught in Pakistan and waterboarded in Guantanamo Bay... the guy that looked sort of like John Belushi? Picture that guy (or a guy that looks like that, about that age, about that build)... those are the guys behind the cameras. Add stale cigarette smell and third degree B.O. and a very rude/shoving attitude... and there you have it. Standard Papparazzi.
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Much as I love Tool's music and pretty much anything Maynard participates in, I have no desire to know about their private lives...to seek out that information. I don't watch TMZ or read similar websites or follow/use Twitter and the like.
That said, I agree about the right to privacy; just seems like many want to have it both ways, and I just don't think it's possible, unfortunately.
PS - Cosmo, loved the club name
Imagine what a 1993/1994 Eddie Vedder or Kurt Cobain would be facing in the Facebook Age with a camera... literally... in the hand of every person out there.
And you and MusicIsMyLife are right... it is the whole idea about being a 'hardcore' fan that you need to know every aspect of a person's life. In the day and age of Twitter and Facebook and people always wanting the be the first one to break some story... Tweet that Dave Grohl is at the Trader Joe's... snap a shot or two hundred of Eddie Vedder at the airport.
I mean, it's okay to see Dave Grohl or Eddie Vedder after a gig or something because that is the element they work in... they perform in front of a sold out theater... yeah, fans are going to be there and they accept that.
But, not at a dinner table or the airport or the Trader Joes. Out there... they are just guys having dinner with their friends or getting on a plane or picking up some stuff from their wife's grocery list.
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this board, and myself included participate in it. Alot of us could name certain band members children names, and recognize pictures of their wives. We know about their childhoods. What their family life was like. We even know their grandmothers name.
I think it has to be possible, and private and public life. I'd argue that the chaos of your private life becoming public is the cause of alot of disaster in celebrities lives. A good example of this would be Dave Chappelle. Who explicitly blamed hollywood and celebrity culture on not only his own freakout and move to Africa, but also the crash and burn of alot of young hollywood stars. He blamed the entire system of Hollywood and fame for the meltdown of so many talented young stars.
And alot of this stuff is so pervasive, even those of us who think its crap, and garbage, and that ET and US Weekly are rubbish, we all get sucked into it. How many of us know who Taylor Swift dated in the past? How many kids do Brad and Angelina have, and why are their kids often talked about, whats unique about them? Who was Ben Harper married to for years? What happened in the private lives of Britney and Lindsay Lohan in the last decade that made them tabloid favorites? Alot of people know these answers. We pick this up, just by living in this culture, in society, and because its so pervasive.
We dont think celebrities have private lives, because they largely dont have private lives. If you cant go to get food without people taking your picture, you dont have a private life.
I think it is what his job is... what he was doing... that got him killed. He was more concerned about getting a picture of someone, who is not Justin Bieber, getting a ticket at a police traffic stop in Justin Bieber's car.
That... is what cost him his life.
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We got side tracked because of the occupation (if you can call it that) of Papparazzi is scummy and is done by scummy people.
As for me... personally... Papparazzi is a job I wish would get outsourced to China. Them and ticket scalpers. I wouldn't mind if America lost those jobs forever.
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I dont find TMZ funny or the least bit useful. they dont provide a service to society. they do the same thing the guy who chased bieber did. Right now, on their site, are pictures of Rihanna and Chris Brown outside a fast food joint, jessica alba at the beach, Leo's yacht party pictures, sofia vergara at a nightclub, Hunger Games actor at the beach, and Lindsay Lohan going to a restaurant, and Kim kardashian heading to the gym. All are pictures of the private life of a celebrity. None of these actions were noteworthy, none were public displays of marketing, all were normal everyday actions normal people engage in.
Also, that guy died not because he is paparazzi, really. He HAPPENED to be taking a photo of that car, but he died because he wasn't paying attention to what he was doing AFTER he was taking photos. He did not die chasing Bieber. It could have happened when he was out getting a coffee too.
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I don't care about these people's personal lives either (I do care about a few people's professional lives though, and paps do cover that as well). But for the record, TMZ is hilarious. I know it's trash, but they make a point of making fun of paps and the whole idea of celebrity, and I think that show is funny as hell.[/quote]
I dont find TMZ funny or the least bit useful. they dont provide a service to society. they do the same thing the guy who chased bieber did. Right now, on their site, are pictures of Rihanna and Chris Brown outside a fast food joint, jessica alba at the beach, Leo's yacht party pictures, sofia vergara at a nightclub, Hunger Games actor at the beach, and Lindsay Lohan going to a restaurant, and Kim kardashian heading to the gym. All are pictures of the private life of a celebrity. None of these actions were noteworthy, none were public displays of marketing, all were normal everyday actions normal people engage in.[/quote]
I didn't say they were useful (aside from brainless entertainment for some). I have never seen their website, but the TV show makes me laugh. I certainly don't expect everyone to like it! Especially not around here. I personally am not disgusted by most paps, because they are just out trying to earn a buck (I make an exception for those who endanger lives in celebrity car chases; the guy who died was not doing that). If you're going to blame someone, blame all the millions and millions of people who like what they produce (me included, since I watch TMZ on TV - although that's it. I have no interest at all in any other of that stuff. I like TMZ because I like the staff/hosts of the show, not because I care about celebrity gossip).... And don't forget to give the celebrities their fair share of responsibility. They know what they are getting into when they seek fame or choose to be famous in the first place.
Also, that guy died not because he is paparazzi, really. He HAPPENED to be taking a photo of that car, but he died because he wasn't paying attention to what he was doing AFTER he was taking photos. He did not die chasing Bieber. It could have happened when he was out getting a coffee too.[/quote]
the guy was killed by another car, but he was out there in the first place trying to score a picture of Bieber smoking pot. Evidently bieber and the photographer have a history, and that the guy was known for stalking bieber.
As i said, few normal people know what someone like bieber or Clooney has to deal with. What that can do to your psyche or mental and emotional state, much less your regular life. Appearing in a movie, or being a megarich pop star doesnt mean the paparazzi get to stalk you and take pictures of you going out on a date. Theres no contract obligation on the part of anyone that says "once you become a celebrity you have to put up with zillions of photographers trying to get your picture as you get a latte from Starbucks". Ed certainly didnt know what he was getting into. Neither did Kurt. We could sit here and name a million celebrities who also didnt know what they were getting into.
Again, you are confusing things. Events like movie premieres, press conferences, appearances at Comicon, press conferences at Cannes, red carpets. Those are legitimate places where press can take pictures galore and get up close and personal with the celebrities. However, celebrities out on dinner dates or going for a drive, or working out at the gym, those are not the times to take pictures nor are they public events.
I dont find TMZ funny or the least bit useful. they dont provide a service to society. they do the same thing the guy who chased bieber did. Right now, on their site, are pictures of Rihanna and Chris Brown outside a fast food joint, jessica alba at the beach, Leo's yacht party pictures, sofia vergara at a nightclub, Hunger Games actor at the beach, and Lindsay Lohan going to a restaurant, and Kim kardashian heading to the gym. All are pictures of the private life of a celebrity. None of these actions were noteworthy, none were public displays of marketing, all were normal everyday actions normal people engage in.[/quote]
I didn't say they were useful (aside from brainless entertainment for some). I have never seen their website, but the TV show makes me laugh. I certainly don't expect everyone to like it! Especially not around here. I personally am not disgusted by most paps, because they are just out trying to earn a buck (I make an exception for those who endanger lives in celebrity car chases; the guy who died was not doing that). If you're going to blame someone, blame all the millions and millions of people who like what they produce (me included, since I watch TMZ on TV - although that's it. I have no interest at all in any other of that stuff. I like TMZ because I like the staff/hosts of the show, not because I care about celebrity gossip).... And don't forget to give the celebrities their fair share of responsibility. They know what they are getting into when they seek fame or choose to be famous in the first place.
Also, that guy died not because he is paparazzi, really. He HAPPENED to be taking a photo of that car, but he died because he wasn't paying attention to what he was doing AFTER he was taking photos. He did not die chasing Bieber. It could have happened when he was out getting a coffee too.[/quote]
the guy was killed by another car, but he was out there in the first place trying to score a picture of Bieber smoking pot. Evidently bieber and the photographer have a history, and that the guy was known for stalking bieber.
As i said, few normal people know what someone like bieber or Clooney has to deal with. What that can do to your psyche or mental and emotional state, much less your regular life. Appearing in a movie, or being a megarich pop star doesnt mean the paparazzi get to stalk you and take pictures of you going out on a date. Theres no contract obligation on the part of anyone that says "once you become a celebrity you have to put up with zillions of photographers trying to get your picture as you get a latte from Starbucks". Ed certainly didnt know what he was getting into. Neither did Kurt. We could sit here and name a million celebrities who also didnt know what they were getting into.
Again, you are confusing things. Events like movie premieres, press conferences, appearances at Comicon, press conferences at Cannes, red carpets. Those are legitimate places where press can take pictures galore and get up close and personal with the celebrities. However, celebrities out on dinner dates or going for a drive, or working out at the gym, those are not the times to take pictures nor are they public events.[/quote]
But they are public places... Anyway, don't misunderstand me. I don't think it's all cool (as I say, I like TMZ, but just because those people on the show are really likeable (and they talk about lots of stuff away from celebrities, actually; often, the celebrity just reminds them about something unrelated). I understand that the paps industry is slimy. However, what they do is legal, and it is a big money maker. We don't have to respect it, but until laws are created to keep them from following people in public places and legally taking photos of them in public places, then I don't see how we can really justify vilifying them either, unless they are endangering other people's safety, like they were with that Bieber car chase last summer, or when Princess Di was killed, or those photos of Kate topless while in a private compound (charges are being sought in all of those cases).
Anyway, it's a funny industry. It is totally a fact that the paps are necessary for many celebrities' careers. And at the same time they hate them... Seems to me a real love/hate relationship.
allowing the "good" intrusiveness encourages the "bad" intrusiveness in my opinion. because people who are interested in knowing about a celebrity's private life doesn't know the difference.
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