Paparazzo dies taking pics of Bieber's ferrari

hedonist

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hedonist wrote:

It seems to me like those (OK, many) who are famous and plastered all over the place, in these times anyway, DO want that spotlight; they court it, get off on it. The Kardashian Klan, Lohan, Beiber, fucking Snookie.

Really, what are they famous for? Talent?

the people you mentioned are all the socialite reality show garbage, minus Bieber, who is a musi-, I mean, performer. MOST celebrities I'm talking about, like the Brad Pitts, the George Clooneys, etc, are not media whores. They do their best to stay clear of the spotlight in their daily lives. yeah, they show up on the red carpet, but that's part of their job-to promote their work. The rest of the time all they want is what the rest of us want-to be left to live our lives.

I don't disagree with you, Hugh.

I'm not sure why I remember this, but when the Sopranos was at its peak, James Gandolfini was going through a divorce and yet was typically not subjected to paparazzi. It's how he and the others you mention conduct(ed) themselves.

Tabloids are there to feed the hungry for what - vapidness, idiocy? - and the ones I referred to, and their ilk - thrive on it. Unfortunately, their readers/followers do too...which I guess is my point.

This shit wouldn't happen if there weren't a market for the fallout.

Cosmo

hedonist wrote:

I don't disagree with you, Hugh.
I'm not sure why I remember this, but when the Sopranos was at its peak, James Gandolfini was going through a divorce and yet was typically not subjected to paparazzi. It's how he and the others you mention conduct(ed) themselves.
Tabloids are there to feed the hungry for what - vapidness, idiocy? - and the ones I referred to, and their ilk - thrive on it. Unfortunately, their readers/followers do too...which I guess is my point.
This shit wouldn't happen if there weren't a market for the fallout.

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Basically, we get what we ask for.
The reasons why these things exist is because of our demand.
Paparazzi exist because of the culture that thrives on bullshit. The Kardashians would not exist if there wasn't an interest in them... Jersey Shore... Honey Boo-Boo... American Idol... Real Housewives... these McDonaldslike factories are fast tracks to fame without having to possess any talents other than entertainment for the masses yearning for mind-numbing nonsense to escape the tyranny of their mundane lives. When America decides that we no longer want to head towards the Idiocracy where we are entertained by watching 3 hours of asses on our screens... the Papparazzi will become extinct.

Wobbie

chadwick wrote:

well that bites someone had to die. sucks.

now...

why not come to iowa & photo my lincoln town car with all its green duct tape holding the windows up? fuck a bunch of justin bieber & his bullshit ferrari... chadwick & his lincoln, where it's at.

WORD

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unsung

I'm so very thankful that one of my life accomplishments has been the ability to have never heard a Justin bieber song.

JonnyPistachio

unsung wrote:

I'm so very thankful that one of my life accomplishments has been the ability to have never heard a Justin bieber song.

Me too! I was just wondering how i've made it this far.

Cosmo

JonnyPistachio wrote:

unsung wrote:

I'm so very thankful that one of my life accomplishments has been the ability to have never heard a Justin bieber song.

Me too! I was just wondering how i've made it this far.

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The thing is... you have probably heard Justin Bieber... you just don't know it.
Like, how many times have you been out somewhere are there is some annoying 'American Idol' sounding bullshit coming over the speaker system? That could have been and probably was Justin Bieber. It's like those ambient advertisements, such as billboards... we don't pay attention to them... but we come into contact with them and they do contaminate us.

JonnyPistachio

Cosmo wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

unsung wrote:

I'm so very thankful that one of my life accomplishments has been the ability to have never heard a Justin bieber song.

Me too! I was just wondering how i've made it this far.

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The thing is... you have probably heard Justin Bieber... you just don't know it.
Like, how many times have you been out somewhere are there is some annoying 'American Idol' sounding bullshit coming over the speaker system? That could have been and probably was Justin Bieber. It's like those ambient advertisements, such as billboards... we don't pay attention to them... but we come into contact with them and they do contaminate us.

Great, thanks Cosmo, now I feel dirty. My virginity taken...I preferred my prior state of oblivion.

musicismylife78

i think its a combination of things. the public genuinely is facinated by the life or the rich and famous. Its not just supermarket tabloids folks. Its ET, Inside Edition, Showbiz Tonight, Extra. And its the shows like MTV Cribs. Its celebrity rehab, and all the other reality shows that follow celebrities during their everyday lives. Millions of people lap that stuff up.

I dont think paparazzi attention is limited to the kardashians or Lohan. If you think this is the case you arent paying attention. Part of it, I think is that for whatever reason Lohan and Kardashians are SUPER FAMOUS and probably their pictures are worth alot of money when the photographs are sold. But Brad and Angelina arent attention seekers at all, and they are followed constantly. So much so, that a few of them, Brad may have been on of them, allowed the press to take a photo of their child right away, and gave the money raised to charity to get the press of their backs. Sean Penn is another example, he's not out at bars seeking attention or wanting the cover of US WEEKLY, but watch YouTube for awhile and you can find clips of him being followed by the paps. During the grunge heydey, im sure Ed was hounded like mad, no doubt theres a reason he has had a bodyguard for years now. You talk to Clooney and im sure he would say he's hounded like crazy. Sure he lives in france, but its not like the press isnt going to find him there. You think a simple google image search wont yield you results of his mansion in the south of france? Or the press following him and whatever girl he's dating at the moment? Gandolfini is followed by press all the time, as was the entire Sopranos crew. Some was the press, and some was the criminal activity of the actors in real life. Jon Hamm clearly isnt into being the center of attention or the fame and money game, but you can bet wherever the guy goes, even out to the supermarket or dinner with his wife, he is going to have a million people freaking out when they see him.

Its the same trash that killed MJ. People want to know. Does he have a pet monkey, what does Neverland look like etc... its silly.

The MJ's of the world, THAT kind of famous, the kind where you cant walk out the front door without hundreds of people asking for photos, thats something few of us can even comment on because its something so foreign to normal life, our normal lives.

I think you and others mistake some of it for attention seeking. Whatever you think of Beibers music, the guy clearly isnt looking to be followed while in his car like that, nor when he's out to dinner with a date or going to a grocery store. Thats invasive. Jennifer Aniston being followed by paps to the beach, and them taking pictures of her and harassing her while she's relaxing isnt what she signed up for nor is it justified or moral or ethical.

musicismylife78

Theres a difference between the press at a red carpet, which is specifically set up for press and photos and promotion and all that. And then on the flip side you have celebrities engaged in normal activities, going out to lunch or dinner, going to a store, driving to wherever, on the beach, etc... Theres definitely a difference, and I think the difference is stark and very clear. I say when Biebers at a movie premiere thats fair game to take his photo and ask him questions. But, the guy was driving his car, at night, he wasnt promoting an album at that moment in time at 8pm or whatever the time was, he was relaxing or doing whatever he was doing, going wherever he was going.

Ever watch a press junket? Getting your picture taken at such events is normal and acceptable. As is asking questions, and a mass of paps taking photos. This wasnt a press junket.

I also dont really understand the paps insatiable appetite for photos. The paps should ask the celebrity, or be able to sense common human body language, and if the celebrity doesnt want to be photographed, the paps should respect that. How many photos do you really need? These guys dont take one photo, they continue taking and taking them.

Also, I think paps should back off celebrities whenever a child of a celebrity is involved. If I saw a celebrity out and about with their child, i'd probably not say anything to them precisely for this reason.

Not one week ago, i ran across a photo of Selma Blair, in the grocery store parking lot, heading in to the store, baby in the front of the cart, sitting down. And Selma seemed to have some humor about it, jokingly running over the guy with the cart. But really? You need to take a picture of a celebrity in the grocery store parking lot, with her young child there? Really? Whatever you think of Selma Blair, this isnt right

Kel Varnsen

musicismylife78 wrote:

I think you and others mistake some of it for attention seeking. Whatever you think of Beibers music, the guy clearly isnt looking to be followed while in his car like that, nor when he's out to dinner with a date or going to a grocery store. Thats invasive.

He is not looking for attention when he is driving a ferrari through LA? That to me seems like the definition of looking for attention. Bieber has to know his time in the spotlight won't last for ever so he needs photographers (to keep his name in the news) as much as they need him to make money. And I am not sure about Beiber but I have read more than a few stories about celebrities who actually work with the paparazzi, and forward them their schedules, so that they can always have someone taking their picture and they aren't forgotten. I mean most celebrities have publicists whose whole job description is to make sure their client is getting press coverage.

musicismylife78

chadwick wrote:

i'd accept 15 million per year for assholes to snap photos & send in to magazines to write bullshit stories on me. this would be a hoot.



im waiting.

i think theres good and bad for sure. The money would be good for sure. But would you really be up for the MJ level of fame, where you literally cant leave the house, because anywhere you go, anything you do, you have people following you. Asking you questions. Taking pictures. Wanting something. Some of these people cant even go to the damn grocery store without people doing this.

the lead singer of the band we know and love clearly had a MAJOR issue with it all, enough of an issue for him to by his own admission sabotage his own career. Read some interviews with Ed in 93 and 94, especially after Kurts death, and Ed was clearly a man on the verge of some horrific collapse, either by his own volition, or just exhaustion and fatigue and a mental breakdown. How many early PJ songs were written about the press hounding Ed? What would Ed say about that woman who rammed the car into his gate? Is that a fair trade off?

musicismylife78

i also think alot of people think being rich and famous and a celebrity is all fun and games. who wouldnt want millions of dollars and starring in movies, and people fawning over you. I think the problem is thats only part of the story. And that whatever personal issues you have, they wont disappear if you get paid 20 million for an action film. They wont disappear if you have a bentley. In fact, its fair to say the issues are exasterbated and become bigger and more real as you become rich and famous. If the opposite were true, Kurt and Ed, would have found peace, and happiness during the grunge heydey. Clearly neither did. Kurt never did. And i'd argue Ed only found peace in the 2000's.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

musicismylife78 wrote:

i also think alot of people think being rich and famous and a celebrity is all fun and games. who wouldnt want millions of dollars and starring in movies, and people fawning over you. I think the problem is thats only part of the story. And that whatever personal issues you have, they wont disappear if you get paid 20 million for an action film. They wont disappear if you have a bentley. In fact, its fair to say the issues are exasterbated and become bigger and more real as you become rich and famous. If the opposite were true, Kurt and Ed, would have found peace, and happiness during the grunge heydey. Clearly neither did. Kurt never did. And i'd argue Ed only found peace in the 2000's.

exactly. I don't envy these people in the least. Luckily, I shall never have that problem!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Kel Varnsen wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

I think you and others mistake some of it for attention seeking. Whatever you think of Beibers music, the guy clearly isnt looking to be followed while in his car like that, nor when he's out to dinner with a date or going to a grocery store. Thats invasive.

He is not looking for attention when he is driving a ferrari through LA? That to me seems like the definition of looking for attention. Bieber has to know his time in the spotlight won't last for ever so he needs photographers (to keep his name in the news) as much as they need him to make money. And I am not sure about Beiber but I have read more than a few stories about celebrities who actually work with the paparazzi, and forward them their schedules, so that they can always have someone taking their picture and they aren't forgotten. I mean most celebrities have publicists whose whole job description is to make sure their client is getting press coverage.

at this point and time, Bieber doesn't need the media. he's one of the biggest stars on the planet. driving your car through a city is asking for attention? I call that just living your daily life.

musicismylife78

Kel Varnsen wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

I think you and others mistake some of it for attention seeking. Whatever you think of Beibers music, the guy clearly isnt looking to be followed while in his car like that, nor when he's out to dinner with a date or going to a grocery store. Thats invasive.

He is not looking for attention when he is driving a ferrari through LA? That to me seems like the definition of looking for attention. Bieber has to know his time in the spotlight won't last for ever so he needs photographers (to keep his name in the news) as much as they need him to make money. And I am not sure about Beiber but I have read more than a few stories about celebrities who actually work with the paparazzi, and forward them their schedules, so that they can always have someone taking their picture and they aren't forgotten. I mean most celebrities have publicists whose whole job description is to make sure their client is getting press coverage.

the guy has to have a personal life. And again, you can say his music sucks all you want but he deserves a private life. Google image search him on dates. Its absurd. He;s going out to dinner with his girlfriend. Nothing more. And the same thing happens to him, scores of papparazi hounding him as he enters, and then as he leaves, then as he enters his vehicle, then as he drives away.

He definitely lives it up no doubt about that. He drives a car worth more than most of our houses. But i dont think he forwarded anyone his schedule. He seemed genuinely saddened by the situation.

you are crazy if you think bieber instigated it or welcomed it in any way. For one, if he wanted his photo and paps taking his picture so bad, why not stop his car and get out and talk to the paps one on one and then he'd get what he wanted, if all he wanted was a US WEEKLY cover shot. The fact is, that photographer, like most paps, actively and recklessly pursue celebrities in cars, driving dangerously to capture picture after picture.

Biebers allowed to have some time to relax and not be pursued by paps. If every single Uncle Bruce song is correct, he drives around to clear his head and to think about things. Im sure Bruce isnt driving in some beat up car either. By your logic, the press and paps should be doing the same thing with Bruce and that they'd be justified, and that Bruce's merely riding around would mean he was marketing himself and his image and his brand.

Thats absurd, kel. I gave you multiple examples of celebrities going to the grocery store with their children. Surely, you would agree, the paps taking photos in such instances not only is wrong and unethical, but its clearly instigated and initiated by the paps and photographers, and is NOT a move by the celebrity to get in the pages of People.

musicismylife78

you seem to be suggesting that a celebrity is marketing themselves 24/7. And celebrities are people too. They have private lives too. Take Ed for an example. If he's at a photo shoot for Spin, or RS, or is at a press conference before a gig, im sure he wouldnt mind the press attention. But if you followed him around in seattle and took photos of him and his family, chasing him in a car around town, snapping his picture, you can bet he'd be mighty upset, and justifiably so. He markets his music as well. Its not like PJ isnt a buisness. We just may like how they operate their buisness as compared to how a mainstream celebrity markets. But clearly there are times when shooting a photo of a celebrity isnt ethical or justified. Take this summers photos of Kate Middleton. You really think she would have been captured in that way, had she been aware that paps were hiding around corners?

PJ_Soul

Always look both ways before crossing the street.

No idea why people are discussing Bieber and whether or not he likes attention (duh - most people who get up on stage in front of thousands of screaming fans kind of like the spotlight I think). The photographer wasn't careful crossing the street - Bieber's behaviour actually has nothing to do with it. And that he likes to drive nice sports cars REALLY has nothing to do with it. Most guys who have millions and millions of dollars would do the same. Plus, the guy needs to get around, right?? I don't understand where this thread is going now. But btw, Bieber is STALKED by the Paparazzi. It's not his fault.

musicismylife78

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Kel Varnsen wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

I think you and others mistake some of it for attention seeking. Whatever you think of Beibers music, the guy clearly isnt looking to be followed while in his car like that, nor when he's out to dinner with a date or going to a grocery store. Thats invasive.

He is not looking for attention when he is driving a ferrari through LA? That to me seems like the definition of looking for attention. Bieber has to know his time in the spotlight won't last for ever so he needs photographers (to keep his name in the news) as much as they need him to make money. And I am not sure about Beiber but I have read more than a few stories about celebrities who actually work with the paparazzi, and forward them their schedules, so that they can always have someone taking their picture and they aren't forgotten. I mean most celebrities have publicists whose whole job description is to make sure their client is getting press coverage.

at this point and time, Bieber doesn't need the media. he's one of the biggest stars on the planet. driving your car through a city is asking for attention? I call that just living your daily life.

exactly. thats how he gets around town. He drives, therefore, just like you, when he needs to get somewhere he drives. Whats he supposed to do? And Its not like walking or taking the bus would cause less of a stir or would result in less photographers taking photos. Who knows what the hell he was doing, he could have needed gatorade from the supermarket or needed to go to Home Depot or was heading to a friends house, or was going to see a concert. kels assuming that everything Bieber does is self serving promotion.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

Always look both ways before crossing the street.
No idea why people are discussing Bieber and whether or not he likes attention (duh - most people who get up on stage in front of thousands of screaming fans kind of like the spotlight I think). The photographer wasn't careful crossing the street - Bieber's behaviour actually has nothing to do with it. And that he likes to drive nice sports cars REALLY has nothing to do with it. Most guys who have millions and millions of dollars would do the same. Plus, the guy needs to get around, right?? I don't understand where this thread is going now.

Whoa whoa...reason and sensibility?

pffft!

musicismylife78

PJ_Soul wrote:

Always look both ways before crossing the street.

No idea why people are discussing Bieber and whether or not he likes attention (duh - most people who get up on stage in front of thousands of screaming fans kind of like the spotlight I think). The photographer wasn't careful crossing the street - Bieber's behaviour actually has nothing to do with it. And that he likes to drive nice sports cars REALLY has nothing to do with it. Most guys who have millions and millions of dollars would do the same. Plus, the guy needs to get around, right?? I don't understand where this thread is going now. But btw, Bieber is STALKED by the Paparazzi. It's not his fault.

it started because kel, on the first page, suggested that most celebrities actively seek papparazi attention. And that standard was then applied to this incident, which clearly makes no sense at all. Kel also suggested that some celebrities dont court papparazi, which was a silly example to give, given the celebrities he cited have MAJOR issues with papparazi following them around. You really think Clooney would say he has it easy and isnt bothered by paparazzi and photographers?