Guns.

HughFreakingDillon

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

Force Of Nature

Regardless of his political stance or motivation, it’s mad to me that he (and many Americans) appear to have been around guns from a young age and could get his hands on a weapon like that. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

I don’t care what a partisan governor says. 

We all know that famous political circle graph. Radical left and radical right are pretty close. The only reason I hope ge’s radical right is to shut maga’s mouth about this narrative grow their culture war. 

Otherwise to me it makes no difference. Radical is radical. Radical anything isn’t a part of either of the two “teams”. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

I don’t care what a partisan governor says. 

We all know that famous political circle graph. Radical left and radical right are pretty close. The only reason I hope ge’s radical right is to shut maga’s mouth about this narrative grow their culture war. 

Otherwise to me it makes no difference. Radical is radical. Radical anything isn’t a part of either of the two “teams”. 

I agree it doesn’t matter. The part I disagree with is it seems like both sides are pointing fingers equally. There’s rumors he’s part of a right wing organization as well has part of the trans community. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers and being like “see, it wasn’t my group!”

I also believe the governor because the truth is coming out, it would be too stupid to lie about it. To say he’s (or the FBI, whoever) spoken with family and friends and claim they say he’s moved one direction politically. All they'd have to do is put out a statement saying that’s not true and he’d look like a huge idiot. Of course they’re talking to everyone who was currently involved in his life and scrubbing all of his social media. It’d be too stupid to lie about the results when it’s going to come out anyway. 

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

I don’t care what a partisan governor says. 

We all know that famous political circle graph. Radical left and radical right are pretty close. The only reason I hope ge’s radical right is to shut maga’s mouth about this narrative grow their culture war. 

Otherwise to me it makes no difference. Radical is radical. Radical anything isn’t a part of either of the two “teams”. 

I agree it doesn’t matter. The part I disagree with is it seems like both sides are pointing fingers equally. There’s rumors he’s part of a right wing organization as well has part of the trans community. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers and being like “see, it wasn’t my group!”

I also believe the governor because the truth is coming out, it would be too stupid to lie about it. To say he’s (or the FBI, whoever) spoken with family and friends and claim they say he’s moved one direction politically. All they'd have to do is put out a statement saying that’s not true and he’d look like a huge idiot. Of course they’re talking to everyone who was currently involved in his life and scrubbing all of his social media. It’d be too stupid to lie about the results when it’s going to come out anyway. 

There’s only one group, politicians and media included, that use these things to immediately call for everything between just vilifying that group to calling for them all to be wiped out. 

People on the left are using that to mock them by turning it around. Are citizens on social media on the left being assholes? Of course. I’m mostly talking politicians/media/public figures. 

brianlux

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

I don’t care what a partisan governor says. 

We all know that famous political circle graph. Radical left and radical right are pretty close. The only reason I hope ge’s radical right is to shut maga’s mouth about this narrative grow their culture war. 

Otherwise to me it makes no difference. Radical is radical. Radical anything isn’t a part of either of the two “teams”. 

I agree it doesn’t matter. The part I disagree with is it seems like both sides are pointing fingers equally. There’s rumors he’s part of a right wing organization as well has part of the trans community. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers and being like “see, it wasn’t my group!”

I also believe the governor because the truth is coming out, it would be too stupid to lie about it. To say he’s (or the FBI, whoever) spoken with family and friends and claim they say he’s moved one direction politically. All they'd have to do is put out a statement saying that’s not true and he’d look like a huge idiot. Of course they’re talking to everyone who was currently involved in his life and scrubbing all of his social media. It’d be too stupid to lie about the results when it’s going to come out anyway. 

Do you really believe governors never lie?  And you really believe with this whole crazy scenario that there is such a thing as "the truth coming out"?  Those seem like very, very long stretches to me.  

Just saying.  I don't know shit, and in this case, I think it makes sense to say that.  I don't think any of us really know shit about this topic- beyond the actual occurrence on last Wednesday, of course.

mace1229

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

I don’t care what a partisan governor says. 

We all know that famous political circle graph. Radical left and radical right are pretty close. The only reason I hope ge’s radical right is to shut maga’s mouth about this narrative grow their culture war. 

Otherwise to me it makes no difference. Radical is radical. Radical anything isn’t a part of either of the two “teams”. 

I agree it doesn’t matter. The part I disagree with is it seems like both sides are pointing fingers equally. There’s rumors he’s part of a right wing organization as well has part of the trans community. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers and being like “see, it wasn’t my group!”

I also believe the governor because the truth is coming out, it would be too stupid to lie about it. To say he’s (or the FBI, whoever) spoken with family and friends and claim they say he’s moved one direction politically. All they'd have to do is put out a statement saying that’s not true and he’d look like a huge idiot. Of course they’re talking to everyone who was currently involved in his life and scrubbing all of his social media. It’d be too stupid to lie about the results when it’s going to come out anyway. 

Do you really believe governors never lie?  And you really believe with this whole crazy scenario that there is such a thing as "the truth coming out"?  Those seem like very, very long stretches to me.  

Just saying.  I don't know shit, and in this case, I think it makes sense to say that.  I don't think any of us really know shit about this topic- beyond the actual occurrence on last Wednesday, of course.

I didn’t say governors don’t lie. I said I don’t think they’d lie in such a high profile case that would so easily be disproved. 
I do believe the governor in this instance because there are too many people who knew the shooter. If the governor just blatantly lied about being in touch with them and the information they provided, one of them would say something. I’m sure the family and partner is already be hounded by the media. If they’re making up lies about their son, they’d probably post on X the truth.

Spiritual_Chaos

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Attaway77 said:

This discussion of guns will never end, guns will never go away, that is a fact. It is not the gun that people should be worried about, it's the person in possession of the gun they should be worried about. Very intelligent people here on this forum, some age and life in history we have lived and seen, do we not know this by now? If a human being wants to create chaos, pull the trigger and shoot, they will. it's not complicated, it's reality. How long have guns/weapons been around? it's not the guns, it's the people who choose to create destruction.

I think guns is something people should worry about. Normal ones who actually think anyways

But not too dangerous to prevent tourists coming here for a late night stroll along the coast alone in the dark?

I thaught a rule on here was: If one is pro bombing children, one shall not quote others.

Tim Simmons

we only shadow quote now. 

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

I don’t care what a partisan governor says. 

We all know that famous political circle graph. Radical left and radical right are pretty close. The only reason I hope ge’s radical right is to shut maga’s mouth about this narrative grow their culture war. 

Otherwise to me it makes no difference. Radical is radical. Radical anything isn’t a part of either of the two “teams”. 

I agree it doesn’t matter. The part I disagree with is it seems like both sides are pointing fingers equally. There’s rumors he’s part of a right wing organization as well has part of the trans community. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers and being like “see, it wasn’t my group!”

I also believe the governor because the truth is coming out, it would be too stupid to lie about it. To say he’s (or the FBI, whoever) spoken with family and friends and claim they say he’s moved one direction politically. All they'd have to do is put out a statement saying that’s not true and he’d look like a huge idiot. Of course they’re talking to everyone who was currently involved in his life and scrubbing all of his social media. It’d be too stupid to lie about the results when it’s going to come out anyway. 

Do you really believe governors never lie?  And you really believe with this whole crazy scenario that there is such a thing as "the truth coming out"?  Those seem like very, very long stretches to me.  

Just saying.  I don't know shit, and in this case, I think it makes sense to say that.  I don't think any of us really know shit about this topic- beyond the actual occurrence on last Wednesday, of course.

I didn’t say governors don’t lie. I said I don’t think they’d lie in such a high profile case that would so easily be disproved. 
I do believe the governor in this instance because there are too many people who knew the shooter. If the governor just blatantly lied about being in touch with them and the information they provided, one of them would say something. I’m sure the family and partner is already be hounded by the media. If they’re making up lies about their son, they’d probably post on X the truth.

I like the Utah Gov...he's a reasonable republican.

But he and some news orgs seem to really stress that the trans bits are coming from the FBI. That is suspect to me. I wouldn't put it past them to put out these "findings" only to later reverse them. trump is all about having the facts match his initial reaction.

But I could be wrong. 

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

I don’t care what a partisan governor says. 

We all know that famous political circle graph. Radical left and radical right are pretty close. The only reason I hope ge’s radical right is to shut maga’s mouth about this narrative grow their culture war. 

Otherwise to me it makes no difference. Radical is radical. Radical anything isn’t a part of either of the two “teams”. 

I agree it doesn’t matter. The part I disagree with is it seems like both sides are pointing fingers equally. There’s rumors he’s part of a right wing organization as well has part of the trans community. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers and being like “see, it wasn’t my group!”

I also believe the governor because the truth is coming out, it would be too stupid to lie about it. To say he’s (or the FBI, whoever) spoken with family and friends and claim they say he’s moved one direction politically. All they'd have to do is put out a statement saying that’s not true and he’d look like a huge idiot. Of course they’re talking to everyone who was currently involved in his life and scrubbing all of his social media. It’d be too stupid to lie about the results when it’s going to come out anyway. 

Do you really believe governors never lie?  And you really believe with this whole crazy scenario that there is such a thing as "the truth coming out"?  Those seem like very, very long stretches to me.  

Just saying.  I don't know shit, and in this case, I think it makes sense to say that.  I don't think any of us really know shit about this topic- beyond the actual occurrence on last Wednesday, of course.

I didn’t say governors don’t lie. I said I don’t think they’d lie in such a high profile case that would so easily be disproved. 
I do believe the governor in this instance because there are too many people who knew the shooter. If the governor just blatantly lied about being in touch with them and the information they provided, one of them would say something. I’m sure the family and partner is already be hounded by the media. If they’re making up lies about their son, they’d probably post on X the truth.

I like the Utah Gov...he's a reasonable republican.

But he and some news orgs seem to really stress that the trans bits are coming from the FBI. That is suspect to me. I wouldn't put it past them to put out these "findings" only to later reverse them. trump is all about having the facts match his initial reaction.

But I could be wrong. 

You are not wrong. The WSJ should be ashamed of what they printed in the hours after the shooting about the bullets. That was clearly a political narrative release by whatever law enforcement official they continually quoted. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

I don’t care what a partisan governor says. 

We all know that famous political circle graph. Radical left and radical right are pretty close. The only reason I hope ge’s radical right is to shut maga’s mouth about this narrative grow their culture war. 

Otherwise to me it makes no difference. Radical is radical. Radical anything isn’t a part of either of the two “teams”. 

I agree it doesn’t matter. The part I disagree with is it seems like both sides are pointing fingers equally. There’s rumors he’s part of a right wing organization as well has part of the trans community. Seems like everyone is pointing fingers and being like “see, it wasn’t my group!”

I also believe the governor because the truth is coming out, it would be too stupid to lie about it. To say he’s (or the FBI, whoever) spoken with family and friends and claim they say he’s moved one direction politically. All they'd have to do is put out a statement saying that’s not true and he’d look like a huge idiot. Of course they’re talking to everyone who was currently involved in his life and scrubbing all of his social media. It’d be too stupid to lie about the results when it’s going to come out anyway. 

Do you really believe governors never lie?  And you really believe with this whole crazy scenario that there is such a thing as "the truth coming out"?  Those seem like very, very long stretches to me.  

Just saying.  I don't know shit, and in this case, I think it makes sense to say that.  I don't think any of us really know shit about this topic- beyond the actual occurrence on last Wednesday, of course.

I didn’t say governors don’t lie. I said I don’t think they’d lie in such a high profile case that would so easily be disproved. 
I do believe the governor in this instance because there are too many people who knew the shooter. If the governor just blatantly lied about being in touch with them and the information they provided, one of them would say something. I’m sure the family and partner is already be hounded by the media. If they’re making up lies about their son, they’d probably post on X the truth.

I like the Utah Gov...he's a reasonable republican.

But he and some news orgs seem to really stress that the trans bits are coming from the FBI. That is suspect to me. I wouldn't put it past them to put out these "findings" only to later reverse them. trump is all about having the facts match his initial reaction.

But I could be wrong. 

You are not wrong. The WSJ should be ashamed of what they printed in the hours after the shooting about the bullets. That was clearly a political narrative release by whatever law enforcement official they continually quoted. 

What did you expect from a Murdick rag?

Gern Blansten

It's just so stupid to focus on the roommate and, at the same time, be crying about "division and hate" toward conservative charlatans

josevolution

Gern Blansten said:

It's just so stupid to focus on the roommate and, at the same time, be crying about "division and hate" toward conservative 

josevolution

Not sure what happened there sorry about that Gern 

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

where and how did the shooter get the rifle? Legally purchased? Borrowed? Stolen? What’s the word?

It was a regular old bolt action.  It's not the boogeyman gun.

tempo_n_groove

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Attaway77 said:

This discussion of guns will never end, guns will never go away, that is a fact. It is not the gun that people should be worried about, it's the person in possession of the gun they should be worried about. Very intelligent people here on this forum, some age and life in history we have lived and seen, do we not know this by now? If a human being wants to create chaos, pull the trigger and shoot, they will. it's not complicated, it's reality. How long have guns/weapons been around? it's not the guns, it's the people who choose to create destruction.

I think guns is something people should worry about. Normal ones who actually think anyways

I believe all these countries have better mental health services and health care than we do.

tempo_n_groove

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The fact his entire family is maga could mean nothing. He could be the black sheep who is the only liberal. And could have caused such a giant swing he could have been radicalized. 

Or he could be radicalized maga. 

The point being, we don’t have anything verifiable yet. 

The governor came out this morning and said based on information from the family, friends and his partner and private messages, he was “radicalized” by the extreme left. As far as I know, that is the first official response from anyone directly involved in the investigation as to the shooter’s beliefs. 

How does one in Utah go radical left?

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

where and how did the shooter get the rifle? Legally purchased? Borrowed? Stolen? What’s the word?

It was a regular old bolt action.  It's not the boogeyman gun.

Doesn’t matter. It’s capable of killing. How’d he get it? From another “responsible” gun owner?