I don't have any experience with guns both defending or against me... I don't know anyone growing up who owned a gun, got shot by a gun or even went hunting. If I did have an experience with guns against me I still would be anti-gun.
Honestly, that's a pretty good reason to be anti-gun. It's a nice thing to live in a world where you don't have to fear the person next to you because they might be carrying a gun.
Agreed. It would be a very nice thing to live in that world. I told Zoso about my gun-related "threatening stories" yesterday and saw the look on his face...and how foreign those experiences were to him, and for a moment I wish I had grown up in that world.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
You talk a lot about responsible gun owners, and I agree that the majority are, but we also must consider that an irresponsible .001% isn't just letting their guns be used in crimes, a lot are letting their guns get in the wrong hands too easily.
That's why I like these events like sheriff gun buy back programs. These are the ways to slowly eliminate some of the illegal guns.. Some of the people who posses illegal weapons are desperate for money and sometimes more willing to sell them back rather than use them in crimes.
There is a lot more illegal booze and drugs sold for the reasons you posted which causes many many many more deaths and crime. Perhaps a prescription drug buyback program? I suggest we target the criminals and not the legal citizens with legislation that will solve nothing.
I think it needs to be harder for people who have a documented history of being violent, abusive or controlling of others to get guns. More credence needs to be given to patterns of violence that are documented through civil orders, because these things don't always go through the criminal justice system. If you've had one (or more!) restraining orders against you, you shouldn't get a gun, even if they've since expired. Right now background checks look for current orders that are still intact. If DYFS has investigated you for child abuse, you shouldn't get a gun, even if the case has since been closed. Background checks don't look for this. Background checks need to be more encompassing and the red flags need to be expanded. The onus should be put on the person seeking a gun as to why they should have one, rather than the government having to prove why they should deny it. In addition, on college campuses there are a number of serious crimes that will go through the campus hearing board system, but will never be pursued through the criminal justice system; things like stalking, sexual assault and domestic violence. Even if the student is found responsible of the charge, this won't follow them once they leave the school; there is no official legal record of it that would show up on a background check. Students have hopped from school to school, some have gone on to acquire criminal records, but something needs to be done about this. We're talking serious crimes that occur that often have no record because the criminal justice system is still so harsh on victims.
So should someone who committed a crime while drunk (a lot more common than any committed by gun by a mile) go through these same background checks when trying to purchase a six pack?
I think if they committed a crime while drunk, sober, high, etc, they should be punished according to the law for that crime. The alcohol wouldn't give you a "get out free jail card." That person should also be referred for a D&A assessment and treatment. If you're asking if I think alcohol should be regulated in a different way, I think you should start a new thread on that because that is a whole different topic.
But this is not what you said. Legal gun owners have not committed a crime but yet you want stricter regualtions on them because of what illegal gun owners have done. :?
You talk a lot about responsible gun owners, and I agree that the majority are, but we also must consider that an irresponsible .001% isn't just letting their guns be used in crimes, a lot are letting their guns get in the wrong hands too easily.
That's why I like these events like sheriff gun buy back programs. These are the ways to slowly eliminate some of the illegal guns.. Some of the people who posses illegal weapons are desperate for money and sometimes more willing to sell them back rather than use them in crimes.
There is a lot more illegal booze and drugs sold for the reasons you posted which causes many many many more deaths and crime. Perhaps a prescription drug buyback program? I suggest we target the criminals and not the legal citizens with legislation that will solve nothing.
So should someone who committed a crime while drunk (a lot more common than any committed by gun by a mile) go through these same background checks when trying to purchase a six pack?
I think if they committed a crime while drunk, sober, high, etc, they should be punished according to the law for that crime. The alcohol wouldn't give you a "get out free jail card." That person should also be referred for a D&A assessment and treatment. If you're asking if I think alcohol should be regulated in a different way, I think you should start a new thread on that because that is a whole different topic.
But this is not what you said. Legal gun owners have not committed a crime but yet you want stricter regualtions on them because of what illegal gun owners have done. :?
Domestic violence and child abuse are crimes, whether or not their victims take the matter through criminal or civil court processes. The person who terrorized me with a gun had obtained it legally and had previously committed a crime. There had been prior restraining orders and child abuse investigations. I think civil cases of that nature should be included in a background check to own a gun. That's what I said.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
You talk a lot about responsible gun owners, and I agree that the majority are, but we also must consider that an irresponsible .001% isn't just letting their guns be used in crimes, a lot are letting their guns get in the wrong hands too easily.
That's why I like these events like sheriff gun buy back programs. These are the ways to slowly eliminate some of the illegal guns.. Some of the people who posses illegal weapons are desperate for money and sometimes more willing to sell them back rather than use them in crimes.
There is a lot more illegal booze and drugs sold for the reasons you posted which causes many many many more deaths and crime. Perhaps a prescription drug buyback program? I suggest we target the criminals and not the legal citizens with legislation that will solve nothing.
There is a lot more illegal booze and drugs sold for the reasons you posted which causes many many many more deaths and crime. Perhaps a prescription drug buyback program? I suggest we target the criminals and not the legal citizens with legislation that will solve nothing.
Domestic violence and child abuse are crimes, whether or not their victims take the matter through criminal or civil court processes. The person who terrorized me with a gun had obtained it legally and had previously committed a crime. There had been prior restraining orders and child abuse investigations. I think civil cases of that nature should be included in a background check to own a gun. That's what I said.
For the people choosing to not report domestic violence or child abuse....that's on them. If someone doesn't report it a history trail can not be created. As far as your second statement....should someone who was in a bar fight while intoxicated be investigated before they purchase alcohol again?
Domestic violence and child abuse are crimes, whether or not their victims take the matter through criminal or civil court processes. The person who terrorized me with a gun had obtained it legally and had previously committed a crime. There had been prior restraining orders and child abuse investigations. I think civil cases of that nature should be included in a background check to own a gun. That's what I said.
For the people choosing to not report domestic violence or child abuse....that's on them. If someone doesn't report it a history trail can not be created. As far as your second statement....should someone who was in a bar fight while intoxicated be investigated before they purchase alcohol again?
But they did report it. That's why there was prior restraining orders in place. You can't get a restraining order without going to court and reporting the abuse. Victims of DV have 2 options - the civil route (ie. restraining orders), or criminal charges. Because of the nature of the crime, most will go through civil proceedings first. Not every case of child abuse becomes criminal either. Sometimes if there is a corrective action taken (ie. the abuser no longer has access to the child), the case will be closed. That's what I said in my OP - "a documented history." Same for what I mentioned about crimes that happen on college campuses that are often adjudicated through Campus Hearing Boards, but not always taken through the criminal justice system. There is a documented history of violence that is not accessed through current background checks. That nulls your second statement so I won't respond.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Domestic violence and child abuse are crimes, whether or not their victims take the matter through criminal or civil court processes. The person who terrorized me with a gun had obtained it legally and had previously committed a crime. There had been prior restraining orders and child abuse investigations. I think civil cases of that nature should be included in a background check to own a gun. That's what I said.
For the people choosing to not report domestic violence or child abuse....that's on them. If someone doesn't report it a history trail can not be created. As far as your second statement....should someone who was in a bar fight while intoxicated be investigated before they purchase alcohol again?
But they did report it. That's why there was prior restraining orders in place. You can't get a restraining order without going to court and reporting the abuse. Victims of DV have 2 options - the civil route (ie. restraining orders), or criminal charges. Because of the nature of the crime, most will go through civil proceedings first. Not every case of child abuse becomes criminal either. Sometimes if there is a corrective action taken (ie. the abuser no longer has access to the child), the case will be closed. That's what I said in my OP - "a documented history." Same for what I mentioned about crimes that happen on college campuses that are often adjudicated through Campus Hearing Boards, but not always taken through the criminal justice system. There is a documented history of violence that is not accessed through current background checks. That nulls your second statement so I won't respond.
From my best recollection you can not legally purchase or even legally possess a firearm with a restraining order.
For the people choosing to not report domestic violence or child abuse....that's on them. If someone doesn't report it a history trail can not be created. As far as your second statement....should someone who was in a bar fight while intoxicated be investigated before they purchase alcohol again?
But they did report it. That's why there was prior restraining orders in place. You can't get a restraining order without going to court and reporting the abuse. Victims of DV have 2 options - the civil route (ie. restraining orders), or criminal charges. Because of the nature of the crime, most will go through civil proceedings first. Not every case of child abuse becomes criminal either. Sometimes if there is a corrective action taken (ie. the abuser no longer has access to the child), the case will be closed. That's what I said in my OP - "a documented history." Same for what I mentioned about crimes that happen on college campuses that are often adjudicated through Campus Hearing Boards, but not always taken through the criminal justice system. There is a documented history of violence that is not accessed through current background checks. That nulls your second statement so I won't respond.
From my best recollection you can not legally purchase or even legally possess a firearm with a restraining order.
You can't if there is a current restraining order. Expired orders won't necessarily restrict someone from getting a gun. Nor would a child abuse case or documented history of violence that was adjudicated in systems that have their own procedures (ie. colleges and universities).
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I'm not sure how effective they will be, but 1,018 tons of prescription meds removed from circulation > Zero
and the money keeps flowing...and the people who sold it back will go get more.
well the people that took it back probably obtained it for legit reasons and had pills left that they didn't need, so they took it back so people who want to access and abuse the medication can't. Getting as much of the unneeded medication out of circulation is important. However, I agree that it's not a total solution. With decreased supply, the price on the street will continue to increase, and people will turn to heroin (as they already do) because it is much cheaper.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Me and a friend were camping at this lake once (probably around 2004?), and late in the evening this RV showed up, and it was 2 guys and 2 girls in their early 20s or so (not too much younger than us). They couldn't find a camp site, so asked to share ours. We said sure, no prob. They seemed nice enough. So we were having some drinks together chatting, and one of the guys got more and more drunk, started getting a bit lippy and annoying - no big deal, but we noticed. Then all of a sudden he stood up, said "lookitthis!!", and pulled up his shirt to show us the hand gun he had tucked in his waistband. We and his own friends were like, "WTF??" He acted like he'd just pulled out a 12" penis. Got all weird and cocky. We asked him why he had it, and he said something like "why not? It's cool!" He had more drinks, and then he pulled the gun out and started kind of waving it around, getting more and more cocky the longer he held it. We were getting VERY SKETCHED OUT. Me and my friend looked to the other people, hoping they'd reign their buddy in. They tried, but then the guy just got defensive and aggressive, became very protective of his right to have his fucking gun. He started acting so fucking weird that we honestly and truly thought he was going to point it at one of us and threaten us with it. We couldn't say much of anything, and just tried to act cool, because we were afraid of what he was going to do. His friends even went and tired to take it away from him when he passed out, and he woke up and got REALLY mad and started pointing it at us in this "I'm the macho man, don't fuck with me" kind of way. It was FUCKED UP and I was totally tripped out. :?
(also, this asshole ran up behind us at one point at the edge of the lake and fuckin' pushed us in from behind, fully clothed, at night, and I had my camera in my pocket, which was ruined. Man, that guy was a RAT FUCK!!)
And so how does any of the legislation put on the table change this situation? Would you have felt less threatened if he had a machete? And also I sympathize with that situation. No one wants to be put into it and I certainly do not agree with it either.
I really haven't thought about how legislation might have helped the situation. I think my story more tunes into the problem of gun culture in North America... and I think that the NRA and gun laws (or lack thereof) lend themselves to this gun culture.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
One of my first jobs out of college was flying a small, twin engine aircraft all over the state of Mississippi picking up bags of cancelled checks and dropping them off in Memphis. Apparently someone in Jackson Miss. heard my plane was a bank plane and was full of money so they decided to try to shoot me down as I left the airport at night. I, of course, couldn't hear or see the gunfire but my maintenance person found the bullet holes in my plane the next day. It went right through the tail, thankfully causing no damage.
So from then on out I took off with all of my lights off until I got about 500 feet above the ground.
The funny thing is those ignorant fuckers didn't know it was just cancelled checks and even if it had been real cash it all would have burned up in the crash anyway.
These firefighters in New York would have had quite the threatening to story to tell. But they were murdered in cold blood and are unable to tell any story.
Of course the shooter was a felon and unable to possess guns legally, so this is further proof that gun laws work. Must just be the liberal media stirring things up. :roll:
About 10 years ago I was sitting on my couch, home alone, watching the news just after eating my dinner. I still had my dress shirt and tie on from work. I used to sell diamonds, gold, gemstones, jewelry, etc. I managed a jewelry store in downtown Pittsburgh. I had no enemies and no reason to believe that I ever needed to worry about my safety, other than myself being crazy, young and dumb. My house was the party house that everyone always visited and came to "get away". I hear the door bell ring and i got up and answered the door, feeling completely normal in all ways just like its an average evening. BOOM! 3 armed young men come in and start yelling at me and I felt a pistol being put into my chest, right into my heart! The end of the barrel of a loaded gun is only one inch away from my heart. I was more in disbelief than surprised. I noticed that these guys are very high, on PCP or something! Their eyes were hollowed out and you can see into the back of their head through their eyes! These guys were trippin on something. I kept cool while they began to demand "black baggies" from me. I said what are "black baggies?" They asked me again and again, I answered the same again and again. I said I dont have whatever you are looking for! I said you can have anything you want in this whole house, I dont care just take whatever you want! I began to back away and tried to walk them through the house and they got very nervous and looked at each other for confirmation on what to do. I stood their with my arms out and shoulders shrugged. I looked them in the eyes the whole time and decided that if this was my last day....im going out telling the truth! So they decided to leave and they walked away with their "tails between their legs". WOW WTF was that? I decided not to call the police, cause I would have had to do alot of cleaning in my house if you know what I mean! So I let it go!
I lived in the house with 3 other people, whom were all good people and had no enemies. We were good party people who everyone loved to hang out with. We noticed that over the past month there were alot of home invasions throughout the Pittsburgh region, mostly dealing with herroin and cocaine and dangerous dealers. We also noticed that there were many big busts and many of the circles were trying to find money to accomidate their needs. These people were either "fishing for money and opportunites" or someone gave them my address to set me up. I exposed myself in the city for many years, being known for partying and hanging with many different types of people. I was managing a jewlery store and going to the clubs everynight. I was in the sights of a few desperate gangbangers. Maybe they were robbed and thought I had their "black baggies"? Or maybe they thought I was a gangster myself!
Well one week later, all 4 of us are in my basement playing pool and we all decide to go to bed. Remember that our house is 3 stories above basement and we all sleep on different floors. I was laying in bed, just about to fall asleep at 2:30ish am and I hear Luke, downstairs in the living room, answer the door. I hear "WOAH", and then quiet! Nothing! HMMMM What was that? Luke is strong, big and crazy, and now quiet? Then I hear my roomate Mike go flying downstairs yelling WTF?, and then quiet! SHIT! At that point, I knew it was them. I knew that Luke and Mike were at gunpoint, held in the living room, no way out! What do I do? I grabbed my Glok 45 with hollow points and loaded it up and was preparing myself to use it if need be. But wait a minute, if someone came upstairs I couldnt shoot them, as my friends are downstairs held under gunpoint. So I had to climb back into bed and act like I was sleeping. I put my gun under the pillow pointed right past my face toward any enemy that may attack me. At this point I was preparing myself to fire the gun through the pillow, right past my face. Ok so I laid their awaiting patiently, heart beating and Im thinking every scenario through in my head. What do these people want? I did have a safe with jewelry but these guys are looking for "black baggies". I heard yelling going on downstairs and then i heard someone coming upstairs. I heard my door squeek lightly while I felt him look at me and I heard his breathing. He closes my door and proceeds upstairs to my cousins bedroom. He awakes my cousin and his girlfriend with a knife to their throat. Immediately, my cousin thought we may have been dead already for someone to be on the 4th floor with a knife to his and his girlfriends throats. The man takes them downstairs to the living room to also be held under gunpoint. My friends were all very quiet as they were in fear from the look in the guys eyes. To this day they will never forget the look in his eyes. At this point I have decided, If that man comes upstairs and pokes me or attacks me, I am going to point the gun at him and be very quiet in doing so. He comes into my room, he believes that I am sleeping, and he proceeds to go through my drawers quietly and rob me. He took my small safe, rummaged through my top drawer and stole everything he could get. I will never forget his breathing and the feeling I had of being ready to kill if I had to. He did not awake me and he left after about one minute in my room. It was as if his whole intention was to hit my top drawer and grab my safe. As he exits my room and proceeds downstairs, I was not far behind him making sure they did not shoot my friends. If they did, I was coming blazing within seconds! They did not shoot, they left and I came down to 4 faces that I will never forget! As they guys run up the street, we all talk about calling the police which we did. We then cleaned the house and prepared for the police! Well, since it was a home invasion, the FBI was first on scene and in the house! Soon thereafter, all the media outlets with vans and lights in front of my house. All the media channels want to interview us, right after our meeting with the FBI and police! WOW!
It took 20 minutes for all this to happen! Life has changed forever! I never thought I would be put in that position and I certainly never thought I would have those thoughts! Life deals you surprises, changes and instances in which we cannot control or predict. If I had pulled the trigger, or went downstairs blazing, or just fought back, life would be very different for all of us every single day after. To this day, I would be scarred from the trauma. Sometimes I dont know how I had a loaded gun in my hand, while being invaded and robbed, while maintaining control throughout! Everyone I talked to after that, told me that they would have fought back immediately, or at least up in the bedroom! To this day, I dont think anyone told me they could have done what I did. Imagine in your bedroom, hearing all that going on, and not getting up! I feared for my friends lives and had to "stand down" and 'maintain self control".
To this day I believe that I made the right decisions and I would never regret anything. Let them rob me! I never did find the jewelry that the FBI helped me look for. I lost about a years worth of salary in total. I let it all go.....gracefully.....cause I understood what might have been if....and everything happens for a reason!
To this day, I will say that at least me having that gun gave me hope in that particular situation. What also was proven is that you dont always need a gun to keep the peace! It goes both ways depending on the situation and behavior, however, what if they would have shot Luke right away? You cannot predict humans and what they will do, so in this case we are blessed to have gotten out of this one peacefully! I know one thing....the bad guys had the guns and knives.....and my friends were helpless and fearful during their experience! Speaking for future victims....Id say try your best to make it peaceful, but stand your ground!
Theres no time like the present
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Re: HOME INVASION!!!
by Thirty Bills Unpaid » 17 Dec 2012 18:37
Fear,
Admittedly... your positions on some subjects have had me irritated; but this story you have shared with us should remind us all that on the other end of these forum dialogue exchanges is a human being with their own experiences that have shaped their mentalities.
I'm sorry you went through something like this. Brutal. I can understand why you feel gun ownership is a good thing.
The fact that the USA has the most guns, by far, than any other country... as well as the fact that the USA experiences the most homicides by guns, by far, than any other country cannot be ignored.
Remember... I'm not advocating for a complete ban of guns. I'm advocating for the types of guns typical citizens should be able to own as well as the types of citizens that can legally own guns. This model, that I encourage, will not leave you defenceless.
"My brain's a good brain!"
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
These firefighters in New York would have had quite the threatening to story to tell. But they were murdered in cold blood and are unable to tell any story.
Of course the shooter was a felon and unable to possess guns legally, so this is further proof that gun laws work. Must just be the liberal media stirring things up. :roll:
You're right. This is a very sad story. However increased gun regulations would have definitely kept a gun out of this sickos hands. :roll:
These firefighters in New York would have had quite the threatening to story to tell. But they were murdered in cold blood and are unable to tell any story.
Of course the shooter was a felon and unable to possess guns legally, so this is further proof that gun laws work. Must just be the liberal media stirring things up. :roll:
You're right. This is a very sad story. However increased gun regulations would have definitely kept a gun out of this sickos hands. :roll:
A ban on assault rifles would have made it much harder for this sicko to get an assault rifle into his hands. Yes it sure would have.
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
There is a lot more illegal booze and drugs sold for the reasons you posted which causes many many many more deaths and crime. Perhaps a prescription drug buyback program? I suggest we target the criminals and not the legal citizens with legislation that will solve nothing.
But this is not what you said. Legal gun owners have not committed a crime but yet you want stricter regualtions on them because of what illegal gun owners have done. :?
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drug_ ... /takeback/
There's also a prescription drug monitoring program
http://www.namsdl.org/presdrug.htm
Definitely a lot more work to be done on that front, but it's a start.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
...and these are clearly working....at least based on the numbers. :?
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
For the people choosing to not report domestic violence or child abuse....that's on them. If someone doesn't report it a history trail can not be created. As far as your second statement....should someone who was in a bar fight while intoxicated be investigated before they purchase alcohol again?
My opinion...they will do zero.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
From my best recollection you can not legally purchase or even legally possess a firearm with a restraining order.
and the money keeps flowing...and the people who sold it back will go get more.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
So from then on out I took off with all of my lights off until I got about 500 feet above the ground.
The funny thing is those ignorant fuckers didn't know it was just cancelled checks and even if it had been real cash it all would have burned up in the crash anyway.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/nyreg ... .html?_r=0
Of course the shooter was a felon and unable to possess guns legally, so this is further proof that gun laws work. Must just be the liberal media stirring things up. :roll:
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I lived in the house with 3 other people, whom were all good people and had no enemies. We were good party people who everyone loved to hang out with. We noticed that over the past month there were alot of home invasions throughout the Pittsburgh region, mostly dealing with herroin and cocaine and dangerous dealers. We also noticed that there were many big busts and many of the circles were trying to find money to accomidate their needs. These people were either "fishing for money and opportunites" or someone gave them my address to set me up. I exposed myself in the city for many years, being known for partying and hanging with many different types of people. I was managing a jewlery store and going to the clubs everynight. I was in the sights of a few desperate gangbangers. Maybe they were robbed and thought I had their "black baggies"? Or maybe they thought I was a gangster myself!
Well one week later, all 4 of us are in my basement playing pool and we all decide to go to bed. Remember that our house is 3 stories above basement and we all sleep on different floors. I was laying in bed, just about to fall asleep at 2:30ish am and I hear Luke, downstairs in the living room, answer the door. I hear "WOAH", and then quiet! Nothing! HMMMM What was that? Luke is strong, big and crazy, and now quiet? Then I hear my roomate Mike go flying downstairs yelling WTF?, and then quiet! SHIT! At that point, I knew it was them. I knew that Luke and Mike were at gunpoint, held in the living room, no way out! What do I do? I grabbed my Glok 45 with hollow points and loaded it up and was preparing myself to use it if need be. But wait a minute, if someone came upstairs I couldnt shoot them, as my friends are downstairs held under gunpoint. So I had to climb back into bed and act like I was sleeping. I put my gun under the pillow pointed right past my face toward any enemy that may attack me. At this point I was preparing myself to fire the gun through the pillow, right past my face. Ok so I laid their awaiting patiently, heart beating and Im thinking every scenario through in my head. What do these people want? I did have a safe with jewelry but these guys are looking for "black baggies". I heard yelling going on downstairs and then i heard someone coming upstairs. I heard my door squeek lightly while I felt him look at me and I heard his breathing. He closes my door and proceeds upstairs to my cousins bedroom. He awakes my cousin and his girlfriend with a knife to their throat. Immediately, my cousin thought we may have been dead already for someone to be on the 4th floor with a knife to his and his girlfriends throats. The man takes them downstairs to the living room to also be held under gunpoint. My friends were all very quiet as they were in fear from the look in the guys eyes. To this day they will never forget the look in his eyes. At this point I have decided, If that man comes upstairs and pokes me or attacks me, I am going to point the gun at him and be very quiet in doing so. He comes into my room, he believes that I am sleeping, and he proceeds to go through my drawers quietly and rob me. He took my small safe, rummaged through my top drawer and stole everything he could get. I will never forget his breathing and the feeling I had of being ready to kill if I had to. He did not awake me and he left after about one minute in my room. It was as if his whole intention was to hit my top drawer and grab my safe. As he exits my room and proceeds downstairs, I was not far behind him making sure they did not shoot my friends. If they did, I was coming blazing within seconds! They did not shoot, they left and I came down to 4 faces that I will never forget! As they guys run up the street, we all talk about calling the police which we did. We then cleaned the house and prepared for the police! Well, since it was a home invasion, the FBI was first on scene and in the house! Soon thereafter, all the media outlets with vans and lights in front of my house. All the media channels want to interview us, right after our meeting with the FBI and police! WOW!
It took 20 minutes for all this to happen! Life has changed forever! I never thought I would be put in that position and I certainly never thought I would have those thoughts! Life deals you surprises, changes and instances in which we cannot control or predict. If I had pulled the trigger, or went downstairs blazing, or just fought back, life would be very different for all of us every single day after. To this day, I would be scarred from the trauma. Sometimes I dont know how I had a loaded gun in my hand, while being invaded and robbed, while maintaining control throughout! Everyone I talked to after that, told me that they would have fought back immediately, or at least up in the bedroom! To this day, I dont think anyone told me they could have done what I did. Imagine in your bedroom, hearing all that going on, and not getting up! I feared for my friends lives and had to "stand down" and 'maintain self control".
To this day I believe that I made the right decisions and I would never regret anything. Let them rob me! I never did find the jewelry that the FBI helped me look for. I lost about a years worth of salary in total. I let it all go.....gracefully.....cause I understood what might have been if....and everything happens for a reason!
To this day, I will say that at least me having that gun gave me hope in that particular situation. What also was proven is that you dont always need a gun to keep the peace! It goes both ways depending on the situation and behavior, however, what if they would have shot Luke right away? You cannot predict humans and what they will do, so in this case we are blessed to have gotten out of this one peacefully! I know one thing....the bad guys had the guns and knives.....and my friends were helpless and fearful during their experience! Speaking for future victims....Id say try your best to make it peaceful, but stand your ground!
Theres no time like the present
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Re: HOME INVASION!!!
by Thirty Bills Unpaid » 17 Dec 2012 18:37
Fear,
Admittedly... your positions on some subjects have had me irritated; but this story you have shared with us should remind us all that on the other end of these forum dialogue exchanges is a human being with their own experiences that have shaped their mentalities.
I'm sorry you went through something like this. Brutal. I can understand why you feel gun ownership is a good thing.
The fact that the USA has the most guns, by far, than any other country... as well as the fact that the USA experiences the most homicides by guns, by far, than any other country cannot be ignored.
Remember... I'm not advocating for a complete ban of guns. I'm advocating for the types of guns typical citizens should be able to own as well as the types of citizens that can legally own guns. This model, that I encourage, will not leave you defenceless.
"My brain's a good brain!"
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
You're right. This is a very sad story. However increased gun regulations would have definitely kept a gun out of this sickos hands. :roll:
A ban on assault rifles would have made it much harder for this sicko to get an assault rifle into his hands. Yes it sure would have.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."