So,what needs to happen?

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  • Thorns2010
    Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    I think the biggest thing that should be done is a ban on all handguns outside of a six shot revolver. This will still allow the people who think they need a gun to protect themselves to have access, but also limit the ease and speed for the clip to be changed over.

    Along with a ban on all sales of those handguns, you institute a buy back program for people who are willing to turn in the now illegal guns. Not sure on a specific price or anything, and I am fully aware most people would not participate. When Australia imposed their gun restrictions they also had a buy back program and the estimate is that only about 25% of guns were brought in.

    The main point is that no one should think this will be an easy solution or easy transition. For things to get better there will ultimately need to be a cultural shift away from guns, and that is something that would take 2-3 generations minimum.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Fear ... how bogus is that. :fp: Real people are being victimized everyday.

    My neighbor would have been horribly terrorized in his own home.
    He would have watched his wife and children go through who knows what.
    I guess that is the anitgunners right to take away his protection? :?
    No I don't think so.
    Their lives would have been taken or ruined by the actions of selfish evil scumbags....
    who will always have guns because they do not answer to laws.

    Actually it is not fear it is being brave enough to fight back
    and protect oneself, our loved ones and property from people who do not even
    deserve to be here. They do not deserve life if they are living as predatory parasites.
    Thanks to him we have three in prison for a very long time.
    He's a hero and a very nice guy too.... husband, father, son, uncle, boss, brother,
    grandson, FRIEND.

    If responsible gun owners were not allowed to own guns my neighbors would have been
    helpless. No one has the right to make another human being that.
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    edited December 2012
    EdsonNascimento wrote:

    I think those families that were destroyed by the stoned mother on the Taconic Parkway in NY would disagree.

    I am for legalization, but this is not only one of the most idiotic posts I've seen, it shows why it won't be legalized. Unfortunately, we have to protect against stupidity lke this.

    Please stop driving high.

    Ohhhh... you mean the mother that was also wasted?

    .19 BAC was it?

    Yeah

    Thanks for the insults!

    I think it's important to note that there is research going both ways. Not to mention Washington State has set a DUI law for Marijuana... which is being debated both ways.... From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
    Post edited by peacefrompaul on
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    pandora wrote:
    Fear ... how bogus is that. :fp: Real people are being victimized everyday.

    My neighbor would have been horribly terrorized in his own home.
    He would have watched his wife and children go through who knows what.
    I guess that is the anitgunners right to take away his protection? :?
    No I don't think so.
    Their lives would have been taken or ruined by the actions of selfish evil scumbags....
    who will always have guns because they do not answer to laws.

    Actually it is not fear it is being brave enough to fight back
    and protect oneself, our loved ones and property from people who do not even
    deserve to be here. They do not deserve life if they are living as predatory parasites.
    Thanks to him we have three in prison for a very long time.
    He's a hero and a very nice guy too.... husband, father, son, uncle, boss, brother,
    grandson, FRIEND.

    If responsible gun owners were not allowed to own guns my neighbors would have been
    helpless. No one has the right to make another human being that.

    Again I have to ask- how do you test for responsibility?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    . From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
    come on,both are more dangerous than driving sober..
    both reduce reflexes...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    . From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
    come on,both are more dangerous than driving sober..
    both reduce reflexes...

    True

    That's why I leave it up to the states to regulate it how they see fit

    If MJ were to be legalized.
  • Abe Froman
    Abe Froman Posts: 5,383
    DS1119 wrote:
    josevolution wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    Increased police force on the borders and streets. People to stop rallying for the legalization of dangerous mind altering drugs.

    Whoa whoa hold on a mnt what rallying of what drugs please tell ...



    Marijuana
    Wow. Yeah, its sooooooo dangerous! :roll:
    (but guns aren't)
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Much of our gun violence in Atlanta is based in drug activity,
    either those seeking or those selling. This is all drugs including Marijuana.
    Legalization of drugs won't stop this. People will still rob steal to get money to buy drugs.
    People will still sell drugs illegally even if they are decriminalized.
    To do both one uses a gun....
    usually an illegal one irresponsibly cause they are not law abiding people.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    . From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
    come on,both are more dangerous than driving sober..
    both reduce reflexes...

    True

    That's why I leave it up to the states to regulate it how they see fit

    If MJ were to be legalized.
    when something is legal,doesnt mean thats not dangerous
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    Honestly, if an old fuck that can barely see is allowed to drive, a high person can do it.


    ...also says the drunk person.

    completely different

    They are both completely different

    You know as well as I


    No, they really aren't.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    comebackgirl wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    just a reminder here
    not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
    but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people
    Thank you for reiterating that. I think it's often the assumption that they must be mentally ill. That may be one factor, but it doesn't even need to be present.



    Sorry but anyone who chooses to kill innocent people using any means are mentally ill.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.



    Not trying to attack here but just commenting. Why should anyone be driving unless completely sober? How is an argument of "much safer than driving drunk" even be brought up? That's like saying we should be able to drive drunk because it's much safer than driving blindfolded? :?
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Abe Froman wrote:
    Wow. Yeah, its sooooooo dangerous! :roll:
    (but guns aren't)


    Google Mexican cartels to start...and see how safe it is.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    pandora wrote:
    Much of our gun violence in Atlanta is based in drug activity,
    either those seeking or those selling. This is all drugs including Marijuana.
    Legalization of drugs won't stop this. People will still rob steal to get money to buy drugs.
    People will still sell drugs illegally even if they are decriminalized.
    To do both one uses a gun....
    usually an illegal one irresponsibly cause they are not law abiding people.



    I would like to buy you a virtual beer! :lol: :thumbup:
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    DS1119 wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.



    Not trying to attack here but just commenting. Why should anyone be driving unless completely sober? How is an argument of "much safer than driving drunk" even be brought up? That's like saying we should be able to drive drunk because it's much safer than driving blindfolded? :?

    Not exactly because your aren't blind when you're high... or are you? :think:

    Not saying you should drive under the influence, but in the real world people drive around drunk. It's much safer to be high in my opinion
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    DS1119 wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    just a reminder here
    not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
    but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people
    Thank you for reiterating that. I think it's often the assumption that they must be mentally ill. That may be one factor, but it doesn't even need to be present.



    Sorry but anyone who chooses to kill innocent people using any means are mentally ill.
    No they're not DS. I know it makes it easier to make sense of things like this, and it makes us feel safer by displacing the blame to a small, definable group of people. Only about 4% of violence in the US can be attributed to mental illness. The major determinants as to whether or not someone will be violent are being young, male and from a lower socio-economic status. Substance abuse increases the risk. Some research on the issue in case you're interested:
    http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article ... leid=96905
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07 ... s-say?lite
    http://boingboing.net/2012/07/26/forens ... s-mas.html

    There's a lot of people that are mentally ill (and untreated) who don't kill, and lots of people who have access to guns who don't kill. There's also lots of untreated mentally ill people with access to guns who don't kill. So what the variable that changes the game? That's where the sense of entitlement and personality and cultural factors come into play. We as a society generally like quick fixes, and changing these factors would be anything but a quick fix.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    comebackgirl wrote:
    No they're not DS. I know it makes it easier to make sense of things like this, and it makes us feel safer by displacing the blame to a small, definable group of people. Only about 4% of violence in the US can be attributed to mental illness. The major determinants as to whether or not someone will be violent are being young, male and from a lower socio-economic status. Substance abuse increases the risk. Some research on the issue in case you're interested:
    http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article ... leid=96905
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07 ... s-say?lite
    http://boingboing.net/2012/07/26/forens ... s-mas.html

    There's a lot of people that are mentally ill (and untreated) who don't kill, and lots of people who have access to guns who don't kill. There's also lots of untreated mentally ill people with access to guns who don't kill. So what the variable that changes the game? That's where the sense of entitlement and personality and cultural factors come into play. We as a society generally like quick fixes, and changing these factors would be anything but a quick fix.

    Sociology Major approved... :D
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    comebackgirl wrote:
    No they're not DS. I know it makes it easier to make sense of things like this, and it makes us feel safer by displacing the blame to a small, definable group of people. Only about 4% of violence in the US can be attributed to mental illness. The major determinants as to whether or not someone will be violent are being young, male and from a lower socio-economic status. Substance abuse increases the risk. Some research on the issue in case you're interested:
    http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article ... leid=96905
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07 ... s-say?lite
    http://boingboing.net/2012/07/26/forens ... s-mas.html

    There's a lot of people that are mentally ill (and untreated) who don't kill, and lots of people who have access to guns who don't kill. There's also lots of untreated mentally ill people with access to guns who don't kill. So what the variable that changes the game? That's where the sense of entitlement and personality and cultural factors come into play. We as a society generally like quick fixes, and changing these factors would be anything but a quick fix.

    Sociology Major approved... :D
    :D Well then my work here is done :lol:
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    thanksfor the links comebackgirl :)
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    DS1119 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Much of our gun violence in Atlanta is based in drug activity,
    either those seeking or those selling. This is all drugs including Marijuana.
    Legalization of drugs won't stop this. People will still rob steal to get money to buy drugs.
    People will still sell drugs illegally even if they are decriminalized.
    To do both one uses a gun....
    usually an illegal one irresponsibly cause they are not law abiding people.



    I would like to buy you a virtual beer! :lol: :thumbup:
    yum! :D

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