Americans need to wake up and realize that your right to bear arms aka 2nd Amendment doesn't belong in a 21st century civilized country.
As long as there a 200+ million guns in your country this number will increase, not decrease and and why is that? Fear...
its how big powers try to control their Citizens and other countries...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
we all agree,things need to change for have less killing,less violence..
I think the mental health approach others have mentioned is a key issue. Two recommendations I would make would involve improving and streamlining social services.
Several years ago, I worked as program assistant for about four years in a Human Services program at our local college. To attain an AA and certificate for the program, the students were required to intern at any approved local agency dealing with counseling and human services. All of these agencies do fine work in our area to help people move forward- that is the whole purpose of human services- to help people move forward. All of these agencies have various obstacles to maximizing client services but there is one obstacle that every last one of them has in come- a plethora of paper work. The amount of time that people working in these agencies spend filling out forms is not only bad for our forests, but very constricting on the time allotted for useful interaction with clients. Cutting the red tape would really go a long way toward getting services to people who need them and get help to more people overall.
Also, instead of either automaton/assembly line counseling (which is what many poor end up with) or "Hollywood counseling" (endless weekly talk sessions for wealthier clients that don't really go anywhere) it would make sense to put into practice counseling that focuses on the approach pioneered by Carl Rogers, (often referred to as "client centered therapy)- the basic focus of which is help people find solutions for themselves. I know the Rogers' approach works- I've seen it work (for myself as well as others).
These services also require money and we don't want to pay taxes to support them (personally I have no problem paying taxes for social services- more help, fewer bombs, I say) then we'd do well to figure out how to get the money there- especially in the US where any glance at the news these days will indicate how badly we need this kind of help.
ill tell you this..
mental health is very serious matter.....
but for me ,the problem start from the one that are ok at their mental health
they need to act with common sense.
they are the ones need to fuckin think smart and quick..
they are the problem.
you cant cure people with mental health in a minute..
but people with no health issues ,leaders, Citizens need to take this matter seriously
for usa become more safe country..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
...so said the person before they caused a fatality or got caught.
Meh, high drivers do fine. Fucking cautious as hell... too paranoid
I think those families that were destroyed by the stoned mother on the Taconic Parkway in NY would disagree.
I am for legalization, but this is not only one of the most idiotic posts I've seen, it shows why it won't be legalized. Unfortunately, we have to protect against stupidity lke this.
Please stop driving high.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I think we need to address this on several different levels. With regard to guns, I would like to see an assault weapons ban, the gun show loophole closed, and stricter guidelines about who can obtain a gun with regard to background check. I think it needs to go beyond looking at just criminal records, but also looking at someone has a history of restraining orders (not just a current order), or has been investigated for child abuse (not just an open case). I also think that records from institutions that have their own sanctioning system outside of the criminal justice system (i.e. colleges/universities and the military) should be explored. I think the current mental health restriction, limiting access to guns only to those who "have been ruled mentally defective by a court, or are committed to a mental institution" needs to be re-evealuated. As a clinician, I would like to be able to notify police if I have someone sitting before me makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck because of a vague threat and a sense of entitlement to carry out on that threat. As it stands currently, I can only contact police if there is an imminent risk, with a specific threat to a specific person. That needs to shift.
I would love to see better access to mental health care. It baffles me that access to a gun is a right, but access ot mental health care (or health care in general!) is a privilege. We're seeing improved access for those with insurance with the implementation of mental health parity; clients with a biologically-based illness such as depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, no longer have limits on their sessions. But very few people have access to that type of insurance. I think better access to care may drastically reduce suicides and domestic violence.
When it comes to mass killings, such as the recent shooting, that is going to take more of a culture shift. A few of the shooters have had a psychotic disorder and improved access to care and a shift with commitment laws may help. Some shooters may have had a comorbid mood disorder such as depression, but that's not what made them kill. Lots of people have depression, but they don't kill others. What is at the core of this is often a narcissism, sense of entitlement and a lack of empathy. The shooters often have a grievance and feel entitled to make others pay for it. This will take a shift in culture. People need better access to contraception and family planning so they can really choose to have their children and properly attach to them, creating an environment that is less likely to create a personality disorder. With that regard we also really need to focus prevention efforts on domestic violence and sexual assault. We need to address bullying. And we have to really change how we treat and value each other. There needs to be a shift from valuing people for what they do or what they achieve.
Brian - I love Carl Rogers! I also think skills based therapy like Dialectical behavior therapy can be really beneficial for teaching people how to cope and manage distress.
And peacefrompaul needs to stop driving while high. Not because that will stop mass shootings, but because he has a lot to offer and I'd hate to see any of that cut short.
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
just a reminder here
not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
just a reminder here
not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people
Thank you for reiterating that. I think it's often the assumption that they must be mentally ill. That may be one factor, but it doesn't even need to be present.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
just a reminder here
not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people
Thank you for reiterating that. I think it's often the assumption that they must be mentally ill. That may be one factor, but it doesn't even need to be present.
exactly...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I think the biggest thing that should be done is a ban on all handguns outside of a six shot revolver. This will still allow the people who think they need a gun to protect themselves to have access, but also limit the ease and speed for the clip to be changed over.
Along with a ban on all sales of those handguns, you institute a buy back program for people who are willing to turn in the now illegal guns. Not sure on a specific price or anything, and I am fully aware most people would not participate. When Australia imposed their gun restrictions they also had a buy back program and the estimate is that only about 25% of guns were brought in.
The main point is that no one should think this will be an easy solution or easy transition. For things to get better there will ultimately need to be a cultural shift away from guns, and that is something that would take 2-3 generations minimum.
Fear ... how bogus is that. :fp: Real people are being victimized everyday.
My neighbor would have been horribly terrorized in his own home.
He would have watched his wife and children go through who knows what.
I guess that is the anitgunners right to take away his protection? :?
No I don't think so.
Their lives would have been taken or ruined by the actions of selfish evil scumbags.... who will always have guns because they do not answer to laws.
Actually it is not fear it is being brave enough to fight back
and protect oneself, our loved ones and property from people who do not even
deserve to be here. They do not deserve life if they are living as predatory parasites.
Thanks to him we have three in prison for a very long time.
He's a hero and a very nice guy too.... husband, father, son, uncle, boss, brother,
grandson, FRIEND.
If responsible gun owners were not allowed to own guns my neighbors would have been
helpless. No one has the right to make another human being that.
I think those families that were destroyed by the stoned mother on the Taconic Parkway in NY would disagree.
I am for legalization, but this is not only one of the most idiotic posts I've seen, it shows why it won't be legalized. Unfortunately, we have to protect against stupidity lke this.
Please stop driving high.
Ohhhh... you mean the mother that was also wasted?
.19 BAC was it?
Yeah
Thanks for the insults!
I think it's important to note that there is research going both ways. Not to mention Washington State has set a DUI law for Marijuana... which is being debated both ways.... From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
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Fear ... how bogus is that. :fp: Real people are being victimized everyday.
My neighbor would have been horribly terrorized in his own home.
He would have watched his wife and children go through who knows what.
I guess that is the anitgunners right to take away his protection? :?
No I don't think so.
Their lives would have been taken or ruined by the actions of selfish evil scumbags.... who will always have guns because they do not answer to laws.
Actually it is not fear it is being brave enough to fight back
and protect oneself, our loved ones and property from people who do not even
deserve to be here. They do not deserve life if they are living as predatory parasites.
Thanks to him we have three in prison for a very long time.
He's a hero and a very nice guy too.... husband, father, son, uncle, boss, brother,
grandson, FRIEND.
If responsible gun owners were not allowed to own guns my neighbors would have been
helpless. No one has the right to make another human being that.
Again I have to ask- how do you test for responsibility?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
. From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
come on,both are more dangerous than driving sober..
both reduce reflexes...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Much of our gun violence in Atlanta is based in drug activity,
either those seeking or those selling. This is all drugs including Marijuana.
Legalization of drugs won't stop this. People will still rob steal to get money to buy drugs.
People will still sell drugs illegally even if they are decriminalized.
To do both one uses a gun....
usually an illegal one irresponsibly cause they are not law abiding people.
. From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
come on,both are more dangerous than driving sober..
both reduce reflexes...
True
That's why I leave it up to the states to regulate it how they see fit
If MJ were to be legalized.
when something is legal,doesnt mean thats not dangerous
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
just a reminder here
not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people
Thank you for reiterating that. I think it's often the assumption that they must be mentally ill. That may be one factor, but it doesn't even need to be present.
Sorry but anyone who chooses to kill innocent people using any means are mentally ill.
From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
Not trying to attack here but just commenting. Why should anyone be driving unless completely sober? How is an argument of "much safer than driving drunk" even be brought up? That's like saying we should be able to drive drunk because it's much safer than driving blindfolded? :?
Much of our gun violence in Atlanta is based in drug activity,
either those seeking or those selling. This is all drugs including Marijuana.
Legalization of drugs won't stop this. People will still rob steal to get money to buy drugs.
People will still sell drugs illegally even if they are decriminalized.
To do both one uses a gun....
usually an illegal one irresponsibly cause they are not law abiding people.
From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
Not trying to attack here but just commenting. Why should anyone be driving unless completely sober? How is an argument of "much safer than driving drunk" even be brought up? That's like saying we should be able to drive drunk because it's much safer than driving blindfolded? :?
Not exactly because your aren't blind when you're high... or are you? :think:
Not saying you should drive under the influence, but in the real world people drive around drunk. It's much safer to be high in my opinion
just a reminder here
not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people
Thank you for reiterating that. I think it's often the assumption that they must be mentally ill. That may be one factor, but it doesn't even need to be present.
Sorry but anyone who chooses to kill innocent people using any means are mentally ill.
There's a lot of people that are mentally ill (and untreated) who don't kill, and lots of people who have access to guns who don't kill. There's also lots of untreated mentally ill people with access to guns who don't kill. So what the variable that changes the game? That's where the sense of entitlement and personality and cultural factors come into play. We as a society generally like quick fixes, and changing these factors would be anything but a quick fix.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
There's a lot of people that are mentally ill (and untreated) who don't kill, and lots of people who have access to guns who don't kill. There's also lots of untreated mentally ill people with access to guns who don't kill. So what the variable that changes the game? That's where the sense of entitlement and personality and cultural factors come into play. We as a society generally like quick fixes, and changing these factors would be anything but a quick fix.
There's a lot of people that are mentally ill (and untreated) who don't kill, and lots of people who have access to guns who don't kill. There's also lots of untreated mentally ill people with access to guns who don't kill. So what the variable that changes the game? That's where the sense of entitlement and personality and cultural factors come into play. We as a society generally like quick fixes, and changing these factors would be anything but a quick fix.
Sociology Major approved...
Well then my work here is done
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Much of our gun violence in Atlanta is based in drug activity,
either those seeking or those selling. This is all drugs including Marijuana.
Legalization of drugs won't stop this. People will still rob steal to get money to buy drugs.
People will still sell drugs illegally even if they are decriminalized.
To do both one uses a gun....
usually an illegal one irresponsibly cause they are not law abiding people.
Comments
completely different
They are both completely different
You know as well as I
Americans need to wake up and realize that your right to bear arms aka 2nd Amendment doesn't belong in a 21st century civilized country.
As long as there a 200+ million guns in your country this number will increase, not decrease and and why is that? Fear...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Exactly...
ill tell you this..
mental health is very serious matter.....
but for me ,the problem start from the one that are ok at their mental health
they need to act with common sense.
they are the ones need to fuckin think smart and quick..
they are the problem.
you cant cure people with mental health in a minute..
but people with no health issues ,leaders, Citizens need to take this matter seriously
for usa become more safe country..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I think those families that were destroyed by the stoned mother on the Taconic Parkway in NY would disagree.
I am for legalization, but this is not only one of the most idiotic posts I've seen, it shows why it won't be legalized. Unfortunately, we have to protect against stupidity lke this.
Please stop driving high.
I would love to see better access to mental health care. It baffles me that access to a gun is a right, but access ot mental health care (or health care in general!) is a privilege. We're seeing improved access for those with insurance with the implementation of mental health parity; clients with a biologically-based illness such as depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, no longer have limits on their sessions. But very few people have access to that type of insurance. I think better access to care may drastically reduce suicides and domestic violence.
When it comes to mass killings, such as the recent shooting, that is going to take more of a culture shift. A few of the shooters have had a psychotic disorder and improved access to care and a shift with commitment laws may help. Some shooters may have had a comorbid mood disorder such as depression, but that's not what made them kill. Lots of people have depression, but they don't kill others. What is at the core of this is often a narcissism, sense of entitlement and a lack of empathy. The shooters often have a grievance and feel entitled to make others pay for it. This will take a shift in culture. People need better access to contraception and family planning so they can really choose to have their children and properly attach to them, creating an environment that is less likely to create a personality disorder. With that regard we also really need to focus prevention efforts on domestic violence and sexual assault. We need to address bullying. And we have to really change how we treat and value each other. There needs to be a shift from valuing people for what they do or what they achieve.
Brian - I love Carl Rogers! I also think skills based therapy like Dialectical behavior therapy can be really beneficial for teaching people how to cope and manage distress.
And peacefrompaul needs to stop driving while high. Not because that will stop mass shootings, but because he has a lot to offer and I'd hate to see any of that cut short.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Along with a ban on all sales of those handguns, you institute a buy back program for people who are willing to turn in the now illegal guns. Not sure on a specific price or anything, and I am fully aware most people would not participate. When Australia imposed their gun restrictions they also had a buy back program and the estimate is that only about 25% of guns were brought in.
The main point is that no one should think this will be an easy solution or easy transition. For things to get better there will ultimately need to be a cultural shift away from guns, and that is something that would take 2-3 generations minimum.
My neighbor would have been horribly terrorized in his own home.
He would have watched his wife and children go through who knows what.
I guess that is the anitgunners right to take away his protection? :?
No I don't think so.
Their lives would have been taken or ruined by the actions of selfish evil scumbags....
who will always have guns because they do not answer to laws.
Actually it is not fear it is being brave enough to fight back
and protect oneself, our loved ones and property from people who do not even
deserve to be here. They do not deserve life if they are living as predatory parasites.
Thanks to him we have three in prison for a very long time.
He's a hero and a very nice guy too.... husband, father, son, uncle, boss, brother,
grandson, FRIEND.
If responsible gun owners were not allowed to own guns my neighbors would have been
helpless. No one has the right to make another human being that.
Ohhhh... you mean the mother that was also wasted?
.19 BAC was it?
Yeah
Thanks for the insults!
I think it's important to note that there is research going both ways. Not to mention Washington State has set a DUI law for Marijuana... which is being debated both ways.... From personal experience, MUCH safer than driving drunk.
Again I have to ask- how do you test for responsibility?
both reduce reflexes...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
True
That's why I leave it up to the states to regulate it how they see fit
If MJ were to be legalized.
(but guns aren't)
either those seeking or those selling. This is all drugs including Marijuana.
Legalization of drugs won't stop this. People will still rob steal to get money to buy drugs.
People will still sell drugs illegally even if they are decriminalized.
To do both one uses a gun....
usually an illegal one irresponsibly cause they are not law abiding people.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
No, they really aren't.
Sorry but anyone who chooses to kill innocent people using any means are mentally ill.
Not trying to attack here but just commenting. Why should anyone be driving unless completely sober? How is an argument of "much safer than driving drunk" even be brought up? That's like saying we should be able to drive drunk because it's much safer than driving blindfolded? :?
Google Mexican cartels to start...and see how safe it is.
I would like to buy you a virtual beer!
Not exactly because your aren't blind when you're high... or are you? :think:
Not saying you should drive under the influence, but in the real world people drive around drunk. It's much safer to be high in my opinion
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article ... leid=96905
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07 ... s-say?lite
http://boingboing.net/2012/07/26/forens ... s-mas.html
There's a lot of people that are mentally ill (and untreated) who don't kill, and lots of people who have access to guns who don't kill. There's also lots of untreated mentally ill people with access to guns who don't kill. So what the variable that changes the game? That's where the sense of entitlement and personality and cultural factors come into play. We as a society generally like quick fixes, and changing these factors would be anything but a quick fix.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Sociology Major approved...
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”