So,what needs to happen?

dimitrispearljam

jimc3 wrote:

Guns: stop calling it "gun control" and/or "assualt weapons ban". just call it "gun safety" or "gun sensibility". you want ONE non-semi-automatic handgun for self-defense (and you clear a strict background check)? you got it. you want an armory's worth of machine guns because you're a "prepper"? sorry, you're a lunatic who would never pass a mental health background check. you have the "right to bear arms", not be Rambo.

Mental Health: a national awareness campaign, similar to anti-terrorism's "if you see something, say something". teach people, co-workers, educators, everyone what the warning signs are (seems like the late teen / early 20's male who is "quiet", "awkward", "shy" but "intelligent" is a starting point), and what do to / what authorities to go to when you are worried about someone.

Violence in media: again, pornography is legal, as it should be under the 1st amendment. but you don't see trailers for the latest XXX flicks during American Idol commercial breaks.

Public safety: I'm sorry, these nuts obviously chose places that were "gun free" zones because they knew they'd have no one to stop them there. Trained armed security gaurds...how bout we start with all the vets who can't find jobs?

Put in these real measures, then hopefully we are also in a better place societally where things like "thug culture" are mocked instread of celebrated; and a better place economically where people feel like they have more control over their future.

this was really great post....thanks

dimitrispearljam

Jeanwah wrote:

I think more time is needed. Still a lot of anger, and solutions don't come out of the anger that's still apparent.

true...but people have sort memory...things need to start changing now

peacefrompaul

Freedom of Choice to be restored to this nation

What is a pot head doing to you? What is a woman getting an abortion doing to you?

Not my problem

DS1119

peacefrompaul wrote:

Freedom of Choice to be restored to this nation

What is a pot head doing to you? What is a woman getting an abortion doing to you?

Not my problem

Depends where that pot is coming from and if they are driving impaired...then the impact is great actually.

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

Freedom of Choice to be restored to this nation

What is a pot head doing to you? What is a woman getting an abortion doing to you?

Not my problem

Depends where that pot is coming from and if they are driving impaired...then the impact is great actually.

I drive high all the time

I do just fine

DS1119

peacefrompaul wrote:

I drive high all the time

I do just fine

...so said the person before they caused a fatality or got caught.

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

I drive high all the time

I do just fine

...so said the person before they caused a fatality or got caught.

Meh, high drivers do fine. Fucking cautious as hell... too paranoid

peacefrompaul

Honestly, if an old fuck that can barely see is allowed to drive, a high person can do it.

DS1119

peacefrompaul wrote:

Honestly, if an old fuck that can barely see is allowed to drive, a high person can do it.

...also says the drunk person.

brianlux

dimitrispearljam wrote:

ideas,thoughts,proposals..

lets put all on the table...

we all agree,things need to change for have less killing,less violence..

I think the mental health approach others have mentioned is a key issue. Two recommendations I would make would involve improving and streamlining social services.

Several years ago, I worked as program assistant for about four years in a Human Services program at our local college. To attain an AA and certificate for the program, the students were required to intern at any approved local agency dealing with counseling and human services. All of these agencies do fine work in our area to help people move forward- that is the whole purpose of human services- to help people move forward. All of these agencies have various obstacles to maximizing client services but there is one obstacle that every last one of them has in come- a plethora of paper work. The amount of time that people working in these agencies spend filling out forms is not only bad for our forests, but very constricting on the time allotted for useful interaction with clients. Cutting the red tape would really go a long way toward getting services to people who need them and get help to more people overall.

Also, instead of either automaton/assembly line counseling (which is what many poor end up with) or "Hollywood counseling" (endless weekly talk sessions for wealthier clients that don't really go anywhere) it would make sense to put into practice counseling that focuses on the approach pioneered by Carl Rogers, (often referred to as "client centered therapy)- the basic focus of which is help people find solutions for themselves. I know the Rogers' approach works- I've seen it work (for myself as well as others).

These services also require money and we don't want to pay taxes to support them (personally I have no problem paying taxes for social services- more help, fewer bombs, I say) then we'd do well to figure out how to get the money there- especially in the US where any glance at the news these days will indicate how badly we need this kind of help.

peacefrompaul

DS1119 wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

Honestly, if an old fuck that can barely see is allowed to drive, a high person can do it.

...also says the drunk person.

completely different

They are both completely different

You know as well as I

deserteddotse

I know it's never going to happen, but...

Americans need to wake up and realize that your right to bear arms aka 2nd Amendment doesn't belong in a 21st century civilized country.

As long as there a 200+ million guns in your country this number will increase, not decrease and and why is that? Fear...

dimitrispearljam

deserteddotse wrote:

I know it's never going to happen, but...

Americans need to wake up and realize that your right to bear arms aka 2nd Amendment doesn't belong in a 21st century civilized country.

As long as there a 200+ million guns in your country this number will increase, not decrease and and why is that? Fear...

its how big powers try to control their Citizens and other countries...

deserteddotse

dimitrispearljam wrote:

deserteddotse wrote:

I know it's never going to happen, but...

Americans need to wake up and realize that your right to bear arms aka 2nd Amendment doesn't belong in a 21st century civilized country.

As long as there a 200+ million guns in your country this number will increase, not decrease and and why is that? Fear...

its how big powers try to control their Citizens and other countries...

Exactly...

dimitrispearljam

brianlux wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

ideas,thoughts,proposals..

lets put all on the table...

we all agree,things need to change for have less killing,less violence..

I think the mental health approach others have mentioned is a key issue. Two recommendations I would make would involve improving and streamlining social services.

Several years ago, I worked as program assistant for about four years in a Human Services program at our local college. To attain an AA and certificate for the program, the students were required to intern at any approved local agency dealing with counseling and human services. All of these agencies do fine work in our area to help people move forward- that is the whole purpose of human services- to help people move forward. All of these agencies have various obstacles to maximizing client services but there is one obstacle that every last one of them has in come- a plethora of paper work. The amount of time that people working in these agencies spend filling out forms is not only bad for our forests, but very constricting on the time allotted for useful interaction with clients. Cutting the red tape would really go a long way toward getting services to people who need them and get help to more people overall.

Also, instead of either automaton/assembly line counseling (which is what many poor end up with) or "Hollywood counseling" (endless weekly talk sessions for wealthier clients that don't really go anywhere) it would make sense to put into practice counseling that focuses on the approach pioneered by Carl Rogers, (often referred to as "client centered therapy)- the basic focus of which is help people find solutions for themselves. I know the Rogers' approach works- I've seen it work (for myself as well as others).

These services also require money and we don't want to pay taxes to support them (personally I have no problem paying taxes for social services- more help, fewer bombs, I say) then we'd do well to figure out how to get the money there- especially in the US where any glance at the news these days will indicate how badly we need this kind of help.

ill tell you this..
mental health is very serious matter.....
but for me ,the problem start from the one that are ok at their mental health
they need to act with common sense.
they are the ones need to fuckin think smart and quick..
they are the problem.
you cant cure people with mental health in a minute..
but people with no health issues ,leaders, Citizens need to take this matter seriously
for usa become more safe country..

EdsonNascimento

peacefrompaul wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

I drive high all the time

I do just fine

...so said the person before they caused a fatality or got caught.

Meh, high drivers do fine. Fucking cautious as hell... too paranoid

I think those families that were destroyed by the stoned mother on the Taconic Parkway in NY would disagree.

I am for legalization, but this is not only one of the most idiotic posts I've seen, it shows why it won't be legalized. Unfortunately, we have to protect against stupidity lke this.

Please stop driving high.

comebackgirl

I think we need to address this on several different levels. With regard to guns, I would like to see an assault weapons ban, the gun show loophole closed, and stricter guidelines about who can obtain a gun with regard to background check. I think it needs to go beyond looking at just criminal records, but also looking at someone has a history of restraining orders (not just a current order), or has been investigated for child abuse (not just an open case). I also think that records from institutions that have their own sanctioning system outside of the criminal justice system (i.e. colleges/universities and the military) should be explored. I think the current mental health restriction, limiting access to guns only to those who "have been ruled mentally defective by a court, or are committed to a mental institution" needs to be re-evealuated. As a clinician, I would like to be able to notify police if I have someone sitting before me makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck because of a vague threat and a sense of entitlement to carry out on that threat. As it stands currently, I can only contact police if there is an imminent risk, with a specific threat to a specific person. That needs to shift.

I would love to see better access to mental health care. It baffles me that access to a gun is a right, but access ot mental health care (or health care in general!) is a privilege. We're seeing improved access for those with insurance with the implementation of mental health parity; clients with a biologically-based illness such as depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, no longer have limits on their sessions. But very few people have access to that type of insurance. I think better access to care may drastically reduce suicides and domestic violence.

When it comes to mass killings, such as the recent shooting, that is going to take more of a culture shift. A few of the shooters have had a psychotic disorder and improved access to care and a shift with commitment laws may help. Some shooters may have had a comorbid mood disorder such as depression, but that's not what made them kill. Lots of people have depression, but they don't kill others. What is at the core of this is often a narcissism, sense of entitlement and a lack of empathy. The shooters often have a grievance and feel entitled to make others pay for it. This will take a shift in culture. People need better access to contraception and family planning so they can really choose to have their children and properly attach to them, creating an environment that is less likely to create a personality disorder. With that regard we also really need to focus prevention efforts on domestic violence and sexual assault. We need to address bullying. And we have to really change how we treat and value each other. There needs to be a shift from valuing people for what they do or what they achieve.

Brian - I love Carl Rogers! I also think skills based therapy like Dialectical behavior therapy can be really beneficial for teaching people how to cope and manage distress.

And peacefrompaul needs to stop driving while high. Not because that will stop mass shootings, but because he has a lot to offer and I'd hate to see any of that cut short.

dimitrispearljam

just a reminder here
not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people

comebackgirl

dimitrispearljam wrote:

just a reminder here
not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people

Thank you for reiterating that. I think it's often the assumption that they must be mentally ill. That may be one factor, but it doesn't even need to be present.

dimitrispearljam

comebackgirl wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

just a reminder here
not all killers have mental illness....we assuming here that they might have,cos isnt logic to start shooting to people just like that..
but we know for sure..ALL killers use fuckin guns to kill innocent people

Thank you for reiterating that. I think it's often the assumption that they must be mentally ill. That may be one factor, but it doesn't even need to be present.

exactly...