So,what needs to happen?

dimitrispearljam

ideas,thoughts,proposals..

lets put all on the table...

we all agree,things need to change for have less killing,less violence..

blackredyellow

Here's the basics that have been in my head the past week:

1) Bring back the assault weapons ban in some form. Semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines have no place in anything other than being fun to shoot. Some details have to be worked out with what qualifies, but that can be worked out. And unlike the 1994 ban which only stopped sale of new high capacity magazines, make it illegal to sell any of them now (new or old).

2) Have nationwide standards on background checks and certifications for people to be licensed to buy and own firearms, especially handguns.

3) Stricter ratings on video games and TV/movies based on violence. Granted, many parents won't care, but we can show TV shows and movies of seemingly constant gun battles at all hours of the day, but we can't let kids see one nipple without a national freakout. I think we all can agree that guns are more dangerous than boobies.

4) Increased mental health awareness, funding. This goes from having more resources in schools, having more options covered by insurance for parents and people who suffer, etc etc. I'm sure that there are more people much more qualified than me to give input on this.

JimmyV

I wish I knew.

goingtoverona

i vote for we stop killing each other. that we as humans choose to stop killing each other.

jimc3

Guns: stop calling it "gun control" and/or "assualt weapons ban". just call it "gun safety" or "gun sensibility". you want ONE non-semi-automatic handgun for self-defense (and you clear a strict background check)? you got it. you want an armory's worth of machine guns because you're a "prepper"? sorry, you're a lunatic who would never pass a mental health background check. you have the "right to bear arms", not be Rambo.

Mental Health: a national awareness campaign, similar to anti-terrorism's "if you see something, say something". teach people, co-workers, educators, everyone what the warning signs are (seems like the late teen / early 20's male who is "quiet", "awkward", "shy" but "intelligent" is a starting point), and what do to / what authorities to go to when you are worried about someone.

Violence in media: again, pornography is legal, as it should be under the 1st amendment. but you don't see trailers for the latest XXX flicks during American Idol commercial breaks.

Public safety: I'm sorry, these nuts obviously chose places that were "gun free" zones because they knew they'd have no one to stop them there. Trained armed security gaurds...how bout we start with all the vets who can't find jobs?

Put in these real measures, then hopefully we are also in a better place societally where things like "thug culture" are mocked instread of celebrated; and a better place economically where people feel like they have more control over their future.

DS1119

Increased police force on the borders and streets. People to stop rallying for the legalization of dangerous mind altering drugs.

josevolution

DS1119 wrote:

Increased police force on the borders and streets. People to stop rallying for the legalization of dangerous mind altering drugs.

Whoa whoa hold on a mnt what rallying of what drugs please tell ...

josevolution

jimc3 wrote:

Guns: stop calling it "gun control" and/or "assualt weapons ban". just call it "gun safety" or "gun sensibility". you want ONE non-semi-automatic handgun for self-defense (and you clear a strict background check)? you got it. you want an armory's worth of machine guns because you're a "prepper"? sorry, you're a lunatic who would never pass a mental health background check. you have the "right to bear arms", not be Rambo.

Mental Health: a national awareness campaign, similar to anti-terrorism's "if you see something, say something". teach people, co-workers, educators, everyone what the warning signs are (seems like the late teen / early 20's male who is "quiet", "awkward", "shy" but "intelligent" is a starting point), and what do to / what authorities to go to when you are worried about someone.

Violence in media: again, pornography is legal, as it should be under the 1st amendment. but you don't see trailers for the latest XXX flicks during American Idol commercial breaks.

Public safety: I'm sorry, these nuts obviously chose places that were "gun free" zones because they knew they'd have no one to stop them there. Trained armed security gaurds...how bout we start with all the vets who can't find jobs?

Put in these real measures, then hopefully we are also in a better place societally where things like "thug culture" are mocked instread of celebrated; and a better place economically where people feel like they have more control over their future.

Fucking spot on

Jeanwah

I think more time is needed. Still a lot of anger, and solutions don't come out of the anger that's still apparent.

DS1119

josevolution wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Increased police force on the borders and streets. People to stop rallying for the legalization of dangerous mind altering drugs.

Whoa whoa hold on a mnt what rallying of what drugs please tell ...

Marijuana

goingtoverona

i've been smoking weed for almost two decades, when does the mind alteration start?

DS1119 wrote:

josevolution wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Increased police force on the borders and streets. People to stop rallying for the legalization of dangerous mind altering drugs.

Whoa whoa hold on a mnt what rallying of what drugs please tell ...

Marijuana

josevolution

DS1119 wrote:

josevolution wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Increased police force on the borders and streets. People to stop rallying for the legalization of dangerous mind altering drugs.

Whoa whoa hold on a mnt what rallying of what drugs please tell ...

Marijuana

DS1119

goingtoverona wrote:

i've been smoking weed for almost two decades, when does the mind alteration start?

Why do you smoke it then?

jimc3

DS1119 wrote:

josevolution wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Increased police force on the borders and streets. People to stop rallying for the legalization of dangerous mind altering drugs.

Whoa whoa hold on a mnt what rallying of what drugs please tell ...

Marijuana

dude you are really off a cliff, huh? nobody, not a one person on the extreme either side of this, is talking about drugs.

first of all "People to stop rallying"...are you anti 1st amendment?

second, what does the drug legalization issue have to do with these mass killings? in fact, wouldn't ending prohibition DECREASE overall gun crime?

goingtoverona

sometimes for pain relief, sometimes to help me eat, sometimes to help me sleep, but most of the time just to get "high". wake and bake is my fav.

DS1119 wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

i've been smoking weed for almost two decades, when does the mind alteration start?

Why do you smoke it then?

hedonist

jimc3 made some fine points, and Jeanwah makes much sense. While anger can be the impetus for necessary changes, it can also cloud arguments being made as well as received.

(also, :thumbup: on wake n bake - my plans for the next several days)

josevolution

hedonist wrote:

jimc3 made some fine points, and Jeanwah makes much sense. While anger can be the impetus for necessary changes, it can also cloud arguments being made as well as received.

(also, :thumbup: on wake n bake - my plans for the next several days)

Don't mind if i join you

DS1119

goingtoverona wrote:

sometimes for pain relief, sometimes to help me eat, sometimes to help me sleep, but most of the time just to get "high". wake and bake is my fav.

DS1119 wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

i've been smoking weed for almost two decades, when does the mind alteration start?

Why do you smoke it then?

So you smoke it because you enjoy it. Can't the same be said for gun enthusiasts?

covered in bliss

blackredyellow wrote:

Here's the basics that have been in my head the past week:

3) Stricter ratings on video games and TV/movies based on violence. Granted, many parents won't care, but we can show TV shows and movies of seemingly constant gun battles at all hours of the day, but we can't let kids see one nipple without a national freakout. I think we all can agree that guns are more dangerous than boobies.

The average 5th grader is 10-11 years old. My son's 5th grade graduation class had a special end-of-year survey and guess what video game was voted BEST? Call of Duty!

Everyone I know let's their kids play that shit because their kid "knows it's not real". I can't tell you how many arguments I have gotten into over those dumb games.

blackredyellow wrote:

4) Increased mental health awareness, funding. This goes from having more resources in schools, having more options covered by insurance for parents and people who suffer, etc etc. I'm sure that there are more people much more qualified than me to give input on this.

The big issue is when our kids graduate, services aren't easily available and what is available can be pretty expensive.

Assault rifles should be banned, along with the magazines that hold tons of ammo. My gun-crazy brother said it's a pain in the ass to reload at the shooting range. I said "tough shit".. compromise. Plenty of gun owners are not willing to compromise ANYTHING and cry 2nd ammendment every time something like this happens.

We also need to close every loop hole that allows guns to transfer ownership without a background check and waiting period. Make the waiting period much longer, too. Like, a month. If you want a fancy new rifle for deer hunting season, you better plan ahead!

Mandatory severe punishment for using a gun to commit a crime that is not registered in your name. Mandatory severe punishment for any FFL that is found to be corrupt.

Jeanwah

josevolution wrote:

hedonist wrote:

jimc3 made some fine points, and Jeanwah makes much sense. While anger can be the impetus for necessary changes, it can also cloud arguments being made as well as received.

(also, :thumbup: on wake n bake - my plans for the next several days)

Don't mind if i join you

Count me in.

pandora

We have resource officers in the schools here. I think all schools should have one.
Teaches the children much and they provide a much safer place.
Kids learn the police can be a friend.

Lets address the violence on TV, in movies, game play, music video.
The ratings should be reformed and enforced while awareness
is provided for parents through their children's schools, pediatricians,
the media and our govt.
Some little kids are living violence.

Mental health awareness and free clinics set up for families without resources,
without insurance. Someplace they can go and say my kid is scaring me,
I don't know what to do, this before a suicide attempt or worse.

Group meetings with counseling for kids and adults who are displaying signs of depression,
withdrawal, anger before violence erupts. It is good to be with other victims,
it is empowering to have others who feel the same. Too many are loners
thinking no one is experiencing the same.

No guns in a home with someone who has a history of mental illness.
This would include children. There should base line testing of our kids
for signs of mental illness and depression. A much more watchful eye but a kind eye.
Bullying in school can not be tolerated at all.

Really comes down to a attitude change towards mental illness make it a priority
to help and a culture change away from violence to loving and caring.