What would it take to form a Tyrannical Govt in the USA?
JonnyPistachio
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"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." ---Thomas Jefferson
Just curious, of the folks who take this literally, if you are really preparing for this, how do you see it unfolding?
Could it really come to a point that me and my neighbor need to ban up with our personal arsenals to keep ourselves free?
I'm not being a smartass here, I'm really trying to envision how this would evolve from where we are today, that we would need to stand up and physically fight them off. Does Obama convince Biden and congress that people should be forced to give up certain rights under violent threat to his people? And then they order the military to place us in FEMA camps? and the military does this without asking any questions? How does this evolution exactly take place?
Just curious, of the folks who take this literally, if you are really preparing for this, how do you see it unfolding?
Could it really come to a point that me and my neighbor need to ban up with our personal arsenals to keep ourselves free?
I'm not being a smartass here, I'm really trying to envision how this would evolve from where we are today, that we would need to stand up and physically fight them off. Does Obama convince Biden and congress that people should be forced to give up certain rights under violent threat to his people? And then they order the military to place us in FEMA camps? and the military does this without asking any questions? How does this evolution exactly take place?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
serious question.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.
The state of being subject to such treatment or control.
just want to put out the definition of oppression for people.
is taxation cruel or unjust treatment or is it a fact of living in a country?
life is too short to waste time worrying about things that are out of my control.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Life is too short not to. Do you always simply accept things that seem out of your control? Do you never work to try to fix them?
fair enough, i think i bit of prospective is needed in many places.
Horrifying
I remember dunkman once saying all you gun nuts head off to Idaho with your guns and have it out with each other. I laughed back then, I now think it might be one of the most reasonable plans put forth on here
towards people in another country. :?
Where do you come off with such a superior attitude and act like you personally
know anyone here? You don't.
Are the anti gun people also anti people who own guns, people?
This with great judgement. Not a bit of understanding just a broad brush of bias
that they will not even see nor understand the individual in us all.
I guess I could draw conclusion about foreigners too from just this.
But I won't, I've come to love many. Love any gun owners lately?
Oh in case you're coming back with me being another
kooky, dishonest, terrified, fanatical, paranoid gun owner, I am not...
do you listen to how you treat others? Isn't it written somewhere about casting stones?
You got a barrel of 'em,
look out upon leaving this world you will feel each and everyone you threw.
Ouch!
pot meet kettle...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
We had one of those... in 1929.
We survived as a nation.
...
Personally... i am NOT going to kill people just because my 401K tanks. I believe America is a better nation than that.
Hail, Hail!!!
Hasn't that already happened? Maybe our current way of living is the real problem. Maybe creating a capitalist world in which money is king is the problem....
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
Money is a means to an end. NOT the end all be all.
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you derail a majority of threads by making it about you, and you take it into a spiritual discussion all while passively aggressively taking jabs at people, but you make it ok by adding one of these
countless locked threads will show that.
this is why i only read your posts where you quote me or speak directly to me.
now back on topic.
what tyrannical government is everyone so afraid of??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Well, the government that takes away property rights. The government that taxes 80 % of our income. What happens when the debt is 25 -30 trillion, 70% of the population needs government entitlements, and the government can't make the payments? The riots in Europe will be nothing compared to what happens if the US government cannot reign in spending.
Does anyone expect the current government to slow down spending or decrease the debt? Not going to happen. The USA is spiraling to bankruptcy and hyper inflation. What the government does at that point is what we fear. Those that rely on government will probably like it, those that are used to supporting themselves will not.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Is government seizing property and taxing almost all income not tyranny? When we are left to rely only on government, I would say that is tyranny or just as bad.
I said in my post that some people will like it because they have always relied on government, so I am not surprised that people on this board do not fear it. They want government to control everything.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Well, the country has had marginal rates in the 90% bracket in the last century, so there is precedent.
In 2013, Some Californians will be paying a combined 55% fed and state income tax rate which does not include sales tax, payroll tax, gas tax, excise tax, property tax, etc...
We just had a president elected with his main campaign platform to raise taxes!
What happens when the 46% that receive benefits from the government turn into 60 or 70%. They voted to raise taxes on rich people when they hadn't even seen their benefits decrease. What happens whenthe government cuts benefits in ten years when the country is broke? They will be SCREAMING for higher taxes on the wealthy.
The country has seized property under eminent domain.
I think it is realistic that the country goes bankrupt, if not inevitable. So what the government does to combat that is anyone's guess.
The current tax increases will not bring the annual deficit to a surplus, so the debt will continue to increase. So when te current tax rates don't fix the debt, the voting public is now supporting of tax increases on the wealthy so why aren't they going to vote for higher and higher taxes?
So....define tyranny.
tell me, 'constitutionalists', gun advocates, civil liberty warriors......what are you waiting for? None of those crimes are worth defending yourselves against? When is this armed rebellion going to happen? Ignoring the domestic issues is one thing - at this point, it's mostly inconvenience....But to suggest (as has been done here) that the US government will only become tyrannical after an economic collapse, after your property and belongings are infringed upon, is narcissism at it's finest. As long as the drones are coming for someone else, right? mr. santanna is correct. this shit manifests in ways we dread to see at home, and ignore or justify abroad.
Lol, offence is yours to be taken. And hey I have no issues with people generalising where I am from, here let me help you out; drunks, micks, paddies, brawlers, terrorists, crooks, gobshites, (insert here any I have missed).
In light of the many many deaths that have taken place as a direct result of an individuals need to own a firearm, I don't really give a shit what any gun nut has to say, innocent children's safety trumps it all.
Now I would prefer not to converse with you on this or any matter going forward as I am more than used to your tactics on these boards.
We are living in dangerous times in terms of personal freedom with the Patriot Act, which was renewed by Obama. But it has happened, many times and in many places. As for how a government becomes tyrannical, it doesn't happen overnight. Just ask those who were alive when Hitler and the Nazi's controlled much of Europe. I am sure the Jewish people and other groups targeted by Hitler never thought it could happen to them. If they had access to weapons, might things have gone differently? At least they could have fought back.
Also, just because the US has not in modern history ever been invaded by a foreign country doesn't mean it could never happen. They might still succeed, but not without significant losses, since much of the population could fight back (especially here in Texas).
Should there be reasonable restrictions/bans on assault weapons, kevlar, and restrictions on ammunition purchases? Probably! However, outside of an outright ban, which would be unconstitutional, guns are here to stay. And I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. As long as guns are here to stay, law abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves.
The desire to increase "safety" is a good thing, but there is no way to prevent a single individual who has the desire to kill a lot of people from doing these things. The desire for a false sense of security should not make us willing to give up our constitutional freedoms.
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
― Benjamin Franklin
Good post Grooveme, thanks. I see those concerns. I also think it would be silly to do a universal ban on guns.
I see a few good responses to the original question in this thread, but none that get detailed enough for me to envision the point where, not just a few people, but the people of the USA have to take up their guns against the government. I really just cant imagine the actual evolution to the point that I'm holed up in my basement clutching my AR-15 and trying to get a hold of my neighbor to get some backup as a tank rolls through Clematis Street downtown West Palm Beach rounding us up for FEMA camps. Again, not trying to be an ass -- I see some insanity in Egypt, Syria, etc...but I just cant imagine it here.
If a majority of the people believe that the government is becoming a tyrannical regime, they will vote out the tyrants. Until then, it stands to reason that the majority of them people don't feel that way yet, so you are outnumbered. You can say things like "these people are destroying America", but what you really mean, is that these people disagree with how the government should operate. That is the price of living in a representative democracy.
If you feel that the nation is going in a direction well outside of what you think is acceptable, you can either rally enough support to vote the current politicians out, or there are about 200 other countries in the world that you can look at moving too.
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