just bought 3 new guns

deserteddotse

pandora wrote:

because this is why we have killers, not the guns.

You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...

Abe Froman

know1 wrote:

Guns don't save lives. They end them.

Why is this so hard to understand!?!?!?

This is one of the most sickening threads I've ever seen started in light of what has happened.

Byrnzie

pandora wrote:

Readily available mental help at little or no cost ...
this is the best way to save lives.

Our culture turns it's back on the mentally ill. They are labeled and meant to feel less
and disregarded. So many of our homeless, lost. All the suicides, people lost.
These rare but horrific killing sprees, young men lost.
The other violence in my country, much rooted in depression.
Families falling apart.

And no D you are going for a quick answer based on your country not mine.
It is not practical to think guns are to be banned in my country.
I can only hope it is practical to get help for the lost souls of mental illness.
One would think everyone would be on board for that
because this is why we have killers, not the guns.

Sorry for interrupting your sermon, but there are mentally ill people in every country. And if every other country had as easy access to guns as the U.S - coupled with the U.S's obsession with violence, which is promoted daily as a solution to life's problems, from the death penalty, to foreign wars, and in practically every facet of the entertainment and sports (cage fighting, e.t.c.) industries - then the U.S wouldn't be alone in witnessing such a high frequency of these types of incidents.

Carry on.

pandora

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

how do we get back to peace and love from here? these threads frighten me in a way no guns can make me feel safe from.

Division is growing, hate of all kinds but there is beauty and love,
there always will be.
We have opportunities everyday to spread that and show that.
Don't be fearful we all have the strength inside to share.
Guns can save your life, that is a choice but it's not worth living without love.
That is one message I take from these killers.

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

Perhaps some should consider other countries as options. They want political
solutions like that of other countries. They disregard our Constitution and have suggested
it is outdated. That it matters not it's principals is what our country was founded on.

Perhaps these people would be happier living in a country where gun ownership is banned.
Where the government is large and takes care of its people. Instead of the people
taking care of government. We see how that is working abroad though.

Our country would certainly be less divided. But compromise is the common sense answer.
Not everyone has that opportunity to up and leave but if you do it is a good solution.
Go make a new home if you do not love your country and it's basic principals.

For me the answer will never be removing guns but addressing the obvious
cultural problems and the lost souls our families are making. Souls angry
without proper care. If there were none we wouldn't be talking.
If there were none guns would not be needed only enjoyed.

good theories,but im more practical..
so,pandora,a quick question

do you agree that something need to change or not..??
yes or no?.change or stay the same..?

Readily available mental help at little or no cost ...
this is the best way to save lives.

Our culture turns it's back on the mentally ill. They are labeled and meant to feel less
and disregarded. So many of our homeless, lost. All the suicides, people lost.
These rare but horrific killing sprees, young men lost.
The other violence in my country, much rooted in depression.
Families falling apart.

And no D you are going for a quick answer based on your country not mine.
It is not practical to think guns are to be banned in my country.
I can only hope it is practical to get help for the lost souls of mental illness.
One would think everyone would be on board for that
because this is why we have killers, not the guns.

sorry pandora,but mental illness is not the issue..
the issue is that some of the killers of massacre maybe have mental illness or maybe have not mental illness...but can ALL have access to guns that can kill 20 kids in less that a minute
this need to be change..
not all killers have have mental ilness,but all killers can get easilly to your country gun to kill innocent
and if those innocent was your kid,now you wouldnt talk about mental illness,but how the fuck he got the gun to kill your love one..
guns and bullets kill the same in every country of the world,and kill less at countries like mine cos you cant find them everywhere and legal to buy them..

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

know1 wrote:

Guns don't save lives. They end them.

Tell that to my neighbor, he and his family are alive because he had a gun
to defend their lives. And in the process we now have three home invaders in prison.
Hopefully with the past crimes they committed they are in for life. .

tell that to the families of the 20 kids at CT

pandora

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

Readily available mental help at little or no cost ...
this is the best way to save lives.

Our culture turns it's back on the mentally ill. They are labeled and meant to feel less
and disregarded. So many of our homeless, lost. All the suicides, people lost.
These rare but horrific killing sprees, young men lost.
The other violence in my country, much rooted in depression.
Families falling apart.

And no D you are going for a quick answer based on your country not mine.
It is not practical to think guns are to be banned in my country.
I can only hope it is practical to get help for the lost souls of mental illness.
One would think everyone would be on board for that
because this is why we have killers, not the guns.

Sorry for interrupting your sermon, but there are mentally ill people in every country. And if every other country had as easy access to guns as the U.S - coupled with the U.S's obsession with violence, which is promoted daily as a solution to life's problems, from the death penalty, to foreign wars, and in practically every facet of the entertainment and sports (cage fighting, e.t.c.) industries - then the U.S wouldn't be alone in witnessing such a high frequency of these types of incidents.

Carry on.

I agree our culture has much to do with our violence,
coupled with the lack of mental health options this is a dangerous combination.

If that was a sermon it's obvious neither of us go to church

Byrnzie

pandora wrote:

Tell that to my neighbor, he and his family are alive because he had a gun
to defend their lives.

And we're supposed to just accept that, without any more details provided? Just that, you said it, so therefore it must be true?
Why would a can of mace not have sufficed to defend him and his family?



Anyway, as to your neighbour supposedly being alive because he had access to a gun; 27 people, including 20 children, are dead because some asshole had access to a bunch of guns.


Nobody's ever managed to massacre 27 people in a public place, armed with just a knife.

So how does that fit into your scheme of things?

dimitrispearljam

deserteddotse wrote:

pandora wrote:

because this is why we have killers, not the guns.

You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...

Even at court they need the weapon you did the crime for be guilty...
no weapon..not guilty

Byrnzie

pandora wrote:

I agree our culture has much to do with our violence,
coupled with the lack of mental health options this is a dangerous combination.

I congratulate you for managing to completely avoid addressing the main point of my post.

JonnyPistachio

Byrnzie wrote:

there are mentally ill people in every country. And if every other country had as easy access to guns as the U.S - coupled with the U.S's obsession with violence, which is promoted daily as a solution to life's problems, from the death penalty, to foreign wars, and in practically every facet of the entertainment and sports (cage fighting, e.t.c.) industries - then the U.S wouldn't be alone in witnessing such a high frequency of these types of incidents.

Carry on.

I think this is a very good point. The sheer number of guns in the US is certainly a major issue. Coupled with our culture, this makes for a very toxic combination.

gimmesometruth27

deserteddotse wrote:

pandora wrote:

because this is why we have killers, not the guns.

You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...

yeah the gun helps..you can't kill someone by making a gun out of your thumb and index finger and yelling bang at someone...

dimitrispearljam

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

deserteddotse wrote:

pandora wrote:

because this is why we have killers, not the guns.

You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...

yeah the gun helps..you can't kill someone by making a gun out of your thumb and index finger and yelling bang at someone...

thats the way we did it when we was young kids.....
fuck..said that...and...how lucky we are .......we are fuckin alive..
those kids at CT....wasnt lucky like us here.....

pandora

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

know1 wrote:

Guns don't save lives. They end them.

Tell that to my neighbor, he and his family are alive because he had a gun
to defend their lives. And in the process we now have three home invaders in prison.
Hopefully with the past crimes they committed they are in for life. .

tell that to the families of the 20 kids at CT

I have wondered how many knew of this troubled young man.
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.

I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

I have wondered how many knew of this troubled young man.
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.

I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.

if his mom didnt have guns,we wouldnt have this conversation right now..

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

deserteddotse wrote:

pandora wrote:

because this is why we have killers, not the guns.

You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...

yeah the gun helps..you can't kill someone by making a gun out of your thumb and index finger and yelling bang at someone...

Killers will find away, this boy obsessed with assault gun play his life.
Engrained in the brain.

Why do we have games like that anyway?

Zoso

Tighest laws in America isn't tight compared to the rest of the world... mental health isn't something you can treat with a flick of a switch.. mental health isn't going to go away.. it's much easier to model gun laws on australia as opposed to mental health.. mental health is a lot more complex. mental health is prevalent around the world.. the only difference in america is the access to guns and the amount.............. the link between EVERY shooting are guns nothing else.

pandora

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

I have wondered how many knew of this troubled young man.
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.

I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.

if his mom didnt have guns,we wouldnt have this conversation right now..

why because he could only get a gun from his Mom?

What are you missing here? is it the drive to make the world pay for his pain?

Zoso

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...

yeah the gun helps..you can't kill someone by making a gun out of your thumb and index finger and yelling bang at someone...

Killers will find away, this boy obsessed with assault gun play his life.
Engrained in the brain.

Why do we have games like that anyway?[/quote]

these games are available everywhere int he world.... only american decide to copy this....... what im saying is how can it be violent games when 20 year olds in england aren't doing these mass murders after playing a video game....

Zoso

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

I have wondered how many knew of this troubled young man.
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.

I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.

if his mom didnt have guns,we wouldnt have this conversation right now..

why because he could only get a gun from his Mom?

What are you missing here? is it the drive to make the world pay for his pain?

humans are always going to have a thirst for violence as it's in all our nature.... we can't treat that. we can limit his access to carrying out such acts.