Readily available mental help at little or no cost ...
this is the best way to save lives.
Our culture turns it's back on the mentally ill. They are labeled and meant to feel less
and disregarded. So many of our homeless, lost. All the suicides, people lost.
These rare but horrific killing sprees, young men lost.
The other violence in my country, much rooted in depression.
Families falling apart.
And no D you are going for a quick answer based on your country not mine.
It is not practical to think guns are to be banned in my country.
I can only hope it is practical to get help for the lost souls of mental illness. One would think everyone would be on board for that
because this is why we have killers, not the guns.
Sorry for interrupting your sermon, but there are mentally ill people in every country. And if every other country had as easy access to guns as the U.S - coupled with the U.S's obsession with violence, which is promoted daily as a solution to life's problems, from the death penalty, to foreign wars, and in practically every facet of the entertainment and sports (cage fighting, e.t.c.) industries - then the U.S wouldn't be alone in witnessing such a high frequency of these types of incidents.
how do we get back to peace and love from here? these threads frighten me in a way no guns can make me feel safe from.
Division is growing, hate of all kinds but there is beauty and love, there always will be.
We have opportunities everyday to spread that and show that.
Don't be fearful we all have the strength inside to share.
Guns can save your life, that is a choice but it's not worth living without love. That is one message I take from these killers.
Perhaps some should consider other countries as options. They want political
solutions like that of other countries. They disregard our Constitution and have suggested
it is outdated. That it matters not it's principals is what our country was founded on.
Perhaps these people would be happier living in a country where gun ownership is banned.
Where the government is large and takes care of its people. Instead of the people
taking care of government. We see how that is working abroad though.
Our country would certainly be less divided. But compromise is the common sense answer.
Not everyone has that opportunity to up and leave but if you do it is a good solution.
Go make a new home if you do not love your country and it's basic principals.
For me the answer will never be removing guns but addressing the obvious
cultural problems and the lost souls our families are making. Souls angry
without proper care. If there were none we wouldn't be talking.
If there were none guns would not be needed only enjoyed.
good theories,but im more practical..
so,pandora,a quick question
do you agree that something need to change or not..??
yes or no?.change or stay the same..?
Readily available mental help at little or no cost ...
this is the best way to save lives.
Our culture turns it's back on the mentally ill. They are labeled and meant to feel less
and disregarded. So many of our homeless, lost. All the suicides, people lost.
These rare but horrific killing sprees, young men lost.
The other violence in my country, much rooted in depression.
Families falling apart.
And no D you are going for a quick answer based on your country not mine.
It is not practical to think guns are to be banned in my country.
I can only hope it is practical to get help for the lost souls of mental illness. One would think everyone would be on board for that
because this is why we have killers, not the guns.
sorry pandora,but mental illness is not the issue..
the issue is that some of the killers of massacre maybe have mental illness or maybe have not mental illness...but can ALL have access to guns that can kill 20 kids in less that a minute
this need to be change..
not all killers have have mental ilness,but all killers can get easilly to your country gun to kill innocent
and if those innocent was your kid,now you wouldnt talk about mental illness,but how the fuck he got the gun to kill your love one..
guns and bullets kill the same in every country of the world,and kill less at countries like mine cos you cant find them everywhere and legal to buy them..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Tell that to my neighbor, he and his family are alive because he had a gun
to defend their lives. And in the process we now have three home invaders in prison.
Hopefully with the past crimes they committed they are in for life. .
tell that to the families of the 20 kids at CT
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Readily available mental help at little or no cost ...
this is the best way to save lives.
Our culture turns it's back on the mentally ill. They are labeled and meant to feel less
and disregarded. So many of our homeless, lost. All the suicides, people lost.
These rare but horrific killing sprees, young men lost.
The other violence in my country, much rooted in depression.
Families falling apart.
And no D you are going for a quick answer based on your country not mine.
It is not practical to think guns are to be banned in my country.
I can only hope it is practical to get help for the lost souls of mental illness. One would think everyone would be on board for that
because this is why we have killers, not the guns.
Sorry for interrupting your sermon, but there are mentally ill people in every country. And if every other country had as easy access to guns as the U.S - coupled with the U.S's obsession with violence, which is promoted daily as a solution to life's problems, from the death penalty, to foreign wars, and in practically every facet of the entertainment and sports (cage fighting, e.t.c.) industries - then the U.S wouldn't be alone in witnessing such a high frequency of these types of incidents.
Carry on.
I agree our culture has much to do with our violence,
coupled with the lack of mental health options this is a dangerous combination.
If that was a sermon it's obvious neither of us go to church
Tell that to my neighbor, he and his family are alive because he had a gun
to defend their lives.
And we're supposed to just accept that, without any more details provided? Just that, you said it, so therefore it must be true?
Why would a can of mace not have sufficed to defend him and his family?
Anyway, as to your neighbour supposedly being alive because he had access to a gun; 27 people, including 20 children, are dead because some asshole had access to a bunch of guns.
Nobody's ever managed to massacre 27 people in a public place, armed with just a knife.
because this is why we have killers, not the guns.
You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...
Even at court they need the weapon you did the crime for be guilty...
no weapon..not guilty
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
there are mentally ill people in every country. And if every other country had as easy access to guns as the U.S - coupled with the U.S's obsession with violence, which is promoted daily as a solution to life's problems, from the death penalty, to foreign wars, and in practically every facet of the entertainment and sports (cage fighting, e.t.c.) industries - then the U.S wouldn't be alone in witnessing such a high frequency of these types of incidents.
Carry on.
I think this is a very good point. The sheer number of guns in the US is certainly a major issue. Coupled with our culture, this makes for a very toxic combination.
because this is why we have killers, not the guns.
You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...
yeah the gun helps..you can't kill someone by making a gun out of your thumb and index finger and yelling bang at someone...
thats the way we did it when we was young kids.....
fuck..said that...and...how lucky we are .......we are fuckin alive..
those kids at CT....wasnt lucky like us here.....
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Tell that to my neighbor, he and his family are alive because he had a gun
to defend their lives. And in the process we now have three home invaders in prison.
Hopefully with the past crimes they committed they are in for life. .
tell that to the families of the 20 kids at CT
I have wondered how many knew of this troubled young man.
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.
I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.
I have wondered how many knew of this troubled young man.
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.
I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.
if his mom didnt have guns,we wouldnt have this conversation right now..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Tighest laws in America isn't tight compared to the rest of the world... mental health isn't something you can treat with a flick of a switch.. mental health isn't going to go away.. it's much easier to model gun laws on australia as opposed to mental health.. mental health is a lot more complex. mental health is prevalent around the world.. the only difference in america is the access to guns and the amount.............. the link between EVERY shooting are guns nothing else.
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
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I love you forever and forever
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I have wondered how many knew of this troubled young man.
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.
I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.
if his mom didnt have guns,we wouldnt have this conversation right now..
why because he could only get a gun from his Mom?
What are you missing here? is it the drive to make the world pay for his pain?
You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...
yeah the gun helps..you can't kill someone by making a gun out of your thumb and index finger and yelling bang at someone...
Killers will find away, this boy obsessed with assault gun play his life.
Engrained in the brain.
Why do we have games like that anyway?[/quote]
these games are available everywhere int he world.... only american decide to copy this....... what im saying is how can it be violent games when 20 year olds in england aren't doing these mass murders after playing a video game....
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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I have wondered how many knew of this troubled young man.
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.
I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.
if his mom didnt have guns,we wouldnt have this conversation right now..
why because he could only get a gun from his Mom?
What are you missing here? is it the drive to make the world pay for his pain?
humans are always going to have a thirst for violence as it's in all our nature.... we can't treat that. we can limit his access to carrying out such acts.
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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Tighest laws in America isn't tight compared to the rest of the world... mental health isn't something you can treat with a flick of a switch.. mental health isn't going to go away.. it's much easier to model gun laws on australia as opposed to mental health.. mental health is a lot more complex. mental health is prevalent around the world.. the only difference in america is the access to guns and the amount.............. the link between EVERY shooting are guns nothing else.
So because mental health is costly, complex, not as easy as taking away rights
of responsible people to defend their loved ones we should not pursue the solution
that will help all people.
We are not the rest of the world but why do you live here instead of Australia?
That your home country? I'm confused you speak of it so highly why not return
and raise your family there?
Tighest laws in America isn't tight compared to the rest of the world... mental health isn't something you can treat with a flick of a switch.. mental health isn't going to go away.. it's much easier to model gun laws on australia as opposed to mental health.. mental health is a lot more complex. mental health is prevalent around the world.. the only difference in america is the access to guns and the amount.............. the link between EVERY shooting are guns nothing else.
So because mental health is costly, complex, not as easy as taking away rights
of responsible people to defend their loved ones we should not pursue the solution
that will help all people.
We are not the rest of the world but why do you live here instead of Australia?
That your home country? I'm confused you speak of it so highly why not return
and raise your family there?
mental health issues occurs in every country. 20 year old's in france aren't committing mass murders who have aspergers syndrome. so again, where is the link between mental health illness and mass murders on a world scale? Their isn't one.
yes the rest of the world are way ahead on the gun control issue then America. If this doesn't wake people up to seek change their will be more mass murders. I'm Australian yes, and just this weekend was saying these mass murders are enough to want to move back to Australia. The US gun culture is scary.
I bet when Lanza'a mother bought her guns she considered herself a 'responsible' gun owner. that worked out well.
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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"We are not the rest of the world but why do you live here instead of Australia?
That your home country? I'm confused you speak of it so highly why not return
and raise your family there?"
There you go Zoso. You are not welcome here if you dissent. Piss off and go to Australia....
Seems to be the 'new' approach.
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I'm reading this guy was autistic and that he tried to buy a rifle three weeks earlier but the background check stopped the purchase.
"We are not the rest of the world but why do you live here instead of Australia?
That your home country? I'm confused you speak of it so highly why not return
and raise your family there?"
There you go Zoso. You are not welcome here if you dissent. Piss off and go to Australia....
I wasn't aware I had to be a gun lover to live in America.. I will know better next time then question why 10, 000 people are killed each year with guns in the country I live in compared with 200 in Canada.
I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
I have wondered how many knew of this troubled young man.
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.
I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.
if his mom didnt have guns,we wouldnt have this conversation right now..
why because he could only get a gun from his Mom?
What are you missing here? is it the drive to make the world pay for his pain?
well,im staying at the facts..he got the guns from his mom..
those kids will be alive if he didnt get those guns..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"We are not the rest of the world but why do you live here instead of Australia?
That your home country? I'm confused you speak of it so highly why not return
and raise your family there?"
There you go Zoso. You are not welcome here if you dissent. Piss off and go to Australia....
Seems to be the 'new' approach.
That's the sort of thing that makes it hard to hear anything else that's said.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I'm reading this guy was autistic and that he tried to buy a rifle three weeks earlier but the background check stopped the purchase.
It has been reported that he may have had Asperger's. It has also been reported that he did wish to purchase a rifle (which he could have done at his age) but, as the law requires since he was at a dealer, he was told that he needed to wait until the background check came through (a couple of weeks? Not sure). He did not want to wait, therefore he did not pursue the purchase. If he did, he would have had the rifle.
And then he went to use the guns that he had used before and were readily available in his home.
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You can't deny that it is a combination of the two...
This is one of the most sickening threads I've ever seen started in light of what has happened.
Sorry for interrupting your sermon, but there are mentally ill people in every country. And if every other country had as easy access to guns as the U.S - coupled with the U.S's obsession with violence, which is promoted daily as a solution to life's problems, from the death penalty, to foreign wars, and in practically every facet of the entertainment and sports (cage fighting, e.t.c.) industries - then the U.S wouldn't be alone in witnessing such a high frequency of these types of incidents.
Carry on.
there always will be.
We have opportunities everyday to spread that and show that.
Don't be fearful we all have the strength inside to share.
Guns can save your life, that is a choice but it's not worth living without love.
That is one message I take from these killers.
the issue is that some of the killers of massacre maybe have mental illness or maybe have not mental illness...but can ALL have access to guns that can kill 20 kids in less that a minute
this need to be change..
not all killers have have mental ilness,but all killers can get easilly to your country gun to kill innocent
and if those innocent was your kid,now you wouldnt talk about mental illness,but how the fuck he got the gun to kill your love one..
guns and bullets kill the same in every country of the world,and kill less at countries like mine cos you cant find them everywhere and legal to buy them..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
coupled with the lack of mental health options this is a dangerous combination.
If that was a sermon it's obvious neither of us go to church
And we're supposed to just accept that, without any more details provided? Just that, you said it, so therefore it must be true?
Why would a can of mace not have sufficed to defend him and his family?
Anyway, as to your neighbour supposedly being alive because he had access to a gun; 27 people, including 20 children, are dead because some asshole had access to a bunch of guns.
Nobody's ever managed to massacre 27 people in a public place, armed with just a knife.
So how does that fit into your scheme of things?
no weapon..not guilty
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I congratulate you for managing to completely avoid addressing the main point of my post.
I think this is a very good point. The sheer number of guns in the US is certainly a major issue. Coupled with our culture, this makes for a very toxic combination.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
fuck..said that...and...how lucky we are .......we are fuckin alive..
those kids at CT....wasnt lucky like us here.....
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
If more resources will be available in the future to help troubled kids.
I have wondered how many are gun owners in the area.
I heard on the news gun owners in CT are saying they have the tightest laws
that no laws would have stopped this from happening. This is true.
But the proper care for the shooter may have.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Engrained in the brain.
Why do we have games like that anyway?
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
What are you missing here? is it the drive to make the world pay for his pain?
Engrained in the brain.
Why do we have games like that anyway?[/quote]
these games are available everywhere int he world.... only american decide to copy this....... what im saying is how can it be violent games when 20 year olds in england aren't doing these mass murders after playing a video game....
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
humans are always going to have a thirst for violence as it's in all our nature.... we can't treat that. we can limit his access to carrying out such acts.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
of responsible people to defend their loved ones we should not pursue the solution
that will help all people.
We are not the rest of the world but why do you live here instead of Australia?
That your home country? I'm confused you speak of it so highly why not return
and raise your family there?
mental health issues occurs in every country. 20 year old's in france aren't committing mass murders who have aspergers syndrome. so again, where is the link between mental health illness and mass murders on a world scale? Their isn't one.
yes the rest of the world are way ahead on the gun control issue then America. If this doesn't wake people up to seek change their will be more mass murders. I'm Australian yes, and just this weekend was saying these mass murders are enough to want to move back to Australia. The US gun culture is scary.
I bet when Lanza'a mother bought her guns she considered herself a 'responsible' gun owner. that worked out well.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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That your home country? I'm confused you speak of it so highly why not return
and raise your family there?"
There you go Zoso. You are not welcome here if you dissent. Piss off and go to Australia....
Seems to be the 'new' approach.
I wasn't aware I had to be a gun lover to live in America.. I will know better next time then question why 10, 000 people are killed each year with guns in the country I live in compared with 200 in Canada.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
those kids will be alive if he didnt get those guns..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
yes he didn't want to wait.. but if he waited he would have been approved. the law stopped nothing he just didn't want to wait.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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It has been reported that he may have had Asperger's. It has also been reported that he did wish to purchase a rifle (which he could have done at his age) but, as the law requires since he was at a dealer, he was told that he needed to wait until the background check came through (a couple of weeks? Not sure). He did not want to wait, therefore he did not pursue the purchase. If he did, he would have had the rifle.
And then he went to use the guns that he had used before and were readily available in his home.