Creative ideas for people to do their "fair share"

pandora

Go Beavers wrote:

pandora wrote:

We can all do our fair share even someone living in their car ...
you and others don't have to defend the poor, it's really not helping them or our country.

By helping others we feel better, we meet and bond with others.
Who knows what possibilities could have opened up for you?
Did you say bah or would you if given opportunities?

Positive doing, positive thinking, positive interacting.
No one needs to be protected from living and giving what they can.

The key is equal .... all.

Why defend the OP with Wavy Gravy burn-out speak? This whole notion of 'fair share' directed at people who are on some form of public assistance is a veiled attempt to create an enemy which is an ongoing method carried out by conservatives. I guess since terrorists don't have us a level orange, we need something else to direct our fears toward.

Suspicious much? I guess we could look at everything so negatively. :?
The OP is right let the poor earn ... why not? Stop defending them, protecting them.
Require community service.
But then require the same from all. If everyone was required to work as a community
servicing itself how wonderfully positive that would be. Can you imagine?
The opportunity for bonding, improving, solving, loving is great.
Who would not want this?

Go Beavers

pandora wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Why defend the OP with Wavy Gravy burn-out speak? This whole notion of 'fair share' directed at people who are on some form of public assistance is a veiled attempt to create an enemy which is an ongoing method carried out by conservatives. I guess since terrorists don't have us a level orange, we need something else to direct our fears toward.

Suspicious much? I guess we could look at everything so negatively. :?
The OP is right let the poor earn ... why not? Stop defending them, protecting them.
Require community service.
But then require the same from all. If everyone was required to work as a community
servicing itself how wonderfully positive that would be. Can you imagine?
The opportunity for bonding, improving, solving, loving is great.
Who would not want this?

I just see the agenda, and the agenda is negative. It's been on the upswing the last few years, especially since we're a Socialist country now. Recall in the pre-9/11 years it was "welfare moms" who were the problem.

Do you know what requirements are in place for people who receive public assistance?

Jason P

:?:

How about a program where someone on welfare (who is not physically or mentally disabled) receives 80% of what the currently collect and can earn the later 20% by attending a skills workshop for 8 hours a week?

That way someone is not deprived of benefits and have incentive to increase their skill set to help with future employment opportunities.

Thoughts?

cincybearcat

redrock wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I want to know why you think those things on the list are so terrible?

I think you really need to re-read my post. I did not say such thing. I am only seeking clarification from the OP on certain terms he is using.

And ignoring the point of the thread.

pandora

Go Beavers wrote:

pandora wrote:

Go Beavers wrote:

Why defend the OP with Wavy Gravy burn-out speak? This whole notion of 'fair share' directed at people who are on some form of public assistance is a veiled attempt to create an enemy which is an ongoing method carried out by conservatives. I guess since terrorists don't have us a level orange, we need something else to direct our fears toward.

Suspicious much? I guess we could look at everything so negatively. :?
The OP is right let the poor earn ... why not? Stop defending them, protecting them.
Require community service.
But then require the same from all. If everyone was required to work as a community
servicing itself how wonderfully positive that would be. Can you imagine?
The opportunity for bonding, improving, solving, loving is great.
Who would not want this?

I just see the agenda, and the agenda is negative. It's been on the upswing the last few years, especially since we're a Socialist country now. Recall in the pre-9/11 years it was "welfare moms" who were the problem.

Do you know what requirements are in place for people who receive public assistance?

Yeah somewhat, the financial requirements, age etc... I was hopin to get some
I think I would have to commit fraud though... not that plenty aren't doing that.
I'm just too honest and a chicken shittle.


I want one more requirement...
community service for all then that is the agenda... one of fairness.
Everyone must do their part. It's a good thing, a very good thing.

cincybearcat

Go Beavers wrote:

The issue I have with drug tests is that it's mean-spirited, unconstitutional, and states that have done it have spent more on it than they have saved. But other than those reasons, it's a great idea!

Yeah, I don't see the point in it. BUt there are plenty of other good ideas to use but we are too afraid to actually do anything about problems other than try to throw more $ at it.

redrock

cincybearcat wrote:

redrock wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I want to know why you think those things on the list are so terrible?

I think you really need to re-read my post. I did not say such thing. I am only seeking clarification from the OP on certain terms he is using.

And ignoring the point of the thread.

Not really. Need to know which groups of people would be included in the OP's 'vision' and get the full picture of said 'vision'. Then one can give a reasoned response.

hedonist

Jason P wrote:

:?:

How about a program where someone on welfare (who is not physically or mentally disabled) receives 80% of what the currently collect and can earn the later 20% by attending a skills workshop for 8 hours a week?

That way someone is not deprived of benefits and have incentive to increase their skill set to help with future employment opportunities.

Thoughts?

:thumbup:

fear4freedom

hedonist wrote:

Jason P wrote:

:?:

How about a program where someone on welfare (who is not physically or mentally disabled) receives 80% of what the currently collect and can earn the later 20% by attending a skills workshop for 8 hours a week?

That way someone is not deprived of benefits and have incentive to increase their skill set to help with future employment opportunities.

Thoughts?

:thumbup:

Hellalujah!!!!! WOW We got a response that was positive, creative, constructive and meaningful! HOOT!
I love it! I love this idea. Good job there Hedo!

Jeanwah

Go Beavers wrote:

Why defend the OP with Wavy Gravy burn-out speak? This whole notion of 'fair share' directed at people who are on some form of public assistance is a veiled attempt to create an enemy which is an ongoing method carried out by conservatives. I guess since terrorists don't have us a level orange, we need something else to direct our fears toward.

This is so true. And that finger-pointed dissension towards the poverty class as well as anyone on assistance has been growing a lot, as if they're the enemy rather than our fellow equal.

Imagine how I deal with these people who go on and on that (those on assistance) need to "pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get off assistance, get a job". *I* am on assistance for being temporarily disabled, my daughter gets assistance because I have to support her, and she has her own developmental disability. So, guess who gets all flushed and humiliated when these conservatives (there's a lot in my area) go to town on how they really feel about people, and to find out that a friend actually is their "enemy".

And for the record, I do volunteer where I can. Should it be mandatory? No. You don't lump the country's problems into the laps of those who are less fortunate. I'd like to know, instead of answering the OP's question, why the OP is pre-occupied with "Fair share" to begin with. What is it? Why so concerned about others picking up the slack?

brianlux

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hedonist

fear4freedom wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Jason P wrote:

:?:

How about a program where someone on welfare (who is not physically or mentally disabled) receives 80% of what the currently collect and can earn the later 20% by attending a skills workshop for 8 hours a week?

That way someone is not deprived of benefits and have incentive to increase their skill set to help with future employment opportunities.

Thoughts?

:thumbup:

Hellalujah!!!!! WOW We got a response that was positive, creative, constructive and meaningful! HOOT!
I love it! I love this idea. Good job there Hedo!

Well thank you, sir, but credit goes to Mr. P :P

brianlux

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fear4freedom

Cmon guys wow! Not one good response except just now we got one by Hedonist!

Sometimes i wonder about the people on here......This post is not about my words or context .....its a simple post about creative ideas from you, the reader. If you cannot see the positive, then you must be rigid, ignorant or just inept! Its almost like people are yelling at me! Its almost like they didnt give any thought to anything before responding, or even more revealing, their first thoughts were that of negativity, judgement and partisanship. Its time to sit back, take a deep breath and think things through. We need inspiration here on AMT and here in America! For those of you around the world.....America will be the shining city on the hill one day again. I have hope and I have faith in our future because America is Good!

Pandora, thanks for seeing the positive! Brian, I know you are smart, why such a response is beyond me! Gimmie...dont be so rigid! Red Rock, cmon man jeez! Go Beavers....we need more cooperation and less rigidity!

Ok its time to get back to work on the OP for creative ideas!

Another idea that I have is that we have computerized welfare and food stamps. No more food stamp cards for cigs, cash, alcohol, and drugs with your neighbors. You get a certain amount per month to use and its all on the computer. No more cards!

How about training our youth to be companions for the elderly....and have the elderly teach them wisdom while they are at it. How about a story or two? How about American History lesson? We need to understand our history and our past and our founding.

How about video games that teach our youth economics and common sense? I like this one!

Now from here on out....can we get one or two ideas?

Jeanwah

brianlux wrote:

My last post above is a terrible post- yes a very negative one. It was an angry response and I should know better than to respond out of anger. I know there are people who care about the poor, even very rich people. But giving should be done with humility, not with pride. It's done better in private, or anonymously and the best things we do for others we do because we are just that way such that maybe we don't even realize we are doing them. Telling the poor to pay their "fair share" and making them out to be inferior does not help anyone.

Looking down on others is a classic move by those who are insecure about themselves and have no love in their life. Just look up the term "Bully".

brianlux

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fear4freedom

I grew up poor and Im still basically poor! I know poor more than most of you on here! I was on welfare for 5 years with my family when i was a child. My parents almost got divorced because of our poverty. This post was never to demonize the poor! LOL Cmon people! This post is to be constructive. I said in the OP that the rich will pay more and donate alot, the middle class pays more already, so what class and group is left to discuss? What group and class do we NEVER talk about? That would be the poor, lower class or the unfortunate! Ok my whole point was to find creative ways for that groupl to "lighten the load" and pay their "fair share". There is no reason for anyone to get emotional or angry cause this is a positive and constructive thread. So if you are ignorant, then just leave and dont come back, cause all you will do is derail the thread's potential.

Ok another good idea might be to STOP TRYING TO DERAIL THREADS! LOL

I believe we can do more as poor people that are able to do more.

What are the numbers of people who can physically do work, or serve that dont pay income taxes? I believe its about 70-100 million people! This thread is to find creative ways for these people to pay their 'fair share" and lighten the load! Does everyone get it?

brianlux

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fear4freedom

brianlux wrote:

Fear4freedom, if you had not pretended America is better than the rest of the world, left God out of social and political issues and not viewed the poor in a degrading manner, I would be much more inclined to participate in sharing ways to help others. It's really difficult for me to get on board with being involved in doing something for others when the basic premise is "we are better than them", "they need to pay" up, "America rules", and "God is on our side". If there were less religion and patriotism and more quiet humility, you might draw a bigger crowd. Not that drawing a crowd should be the motive, of course.

This thread is nothing to do with other countries bud, wake up! Where is God in this thread? Where did I degrade the poor, cause i am poor! Where? Stay on topic and understand the meaning is to FIND CREATIVE WAYS for the group that does not pay income taxes....to do their fair share! If you are emotional and angry....then leave this post ....and dont come back! Simple!

brianlux

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