Creative ideas for people to do their "fair share"

fear4freedom

Please think of a way at the bottom. We need to brainstorm on this! Do you have any ideas?

We always here about Obama asking the rich to pay their "fair share".

We know the middle class pays more than their "fair share".

We also know that the poor dont pay enough! Well how can they? They are poor, right? Well, not always so.

If Obama gets his way with the fiscal cliff, %2 of the population will have to pay %4 more on their income taxes, going up from %35 to %39.6. This additional revenue will add up to approx. 82 billion per year. Also, if Obama limits or does away with "loopholes and deductions", that will raise another 40 billion per year. Ok so if all that goes good, we can collect approx. 120 billion more per year, assuming that all the businesses and rich people continue to "churn" money. Ok lets say we bring in another 120 billion per year! Obama has been fighting for that for 4 years now, dividing us, creating class warfare, etc. Our annual deficit is 1.2 trillion! This is almost laughable to divide us over %10 savings! Ok enough of that!

LET US THINK OF CREATIVE WAYS FOR THE POOR AND NON-TAXPAYERS TO PAY THEIR "FAIR SHARE"

My ideas for the poor, unemployed, non-taxpaying citizens and those who recieve federal assistance to pay their "fair share". We need to find ways for the takers to be makers, givers or lighten the load.

1. We all heard of those who collect welfare, assistance etc. should pass a drug test. Well this only makes sense, especially if you are trying to FIND A JOB and better yourself.

2. Free daycare for students and poor mothers. This can be achieved by students who are going for CHILD CARE, elementary education, etc. Make them do 4 hours per week community service in the COMMUNITY DAYCARE.

3. Homeless, poor and volunteers pickup litter and trash.

4. Urban youth have graffitti contests to raise money

5. Create volunteer centers for handymen, contractors, companions, etc.

6. Compassion booths for immigrants on the border.

7. Volunteer speakers, aids, assistants in urban areas to help mothers and children.

8. Online think tanks for graduates to find cutting edge ideas.

ANY OTHER IDEAS OUT THERE?

brianlux

No comment.

gimmesometruth27

why don't we just tie wifi equipment to the homeless so they can become hotspots while they lie on the sidewalk and beg for money?? why not make them walk behind hansom cabs and scoop up the fresh horseshit and earn their keep that way??

yep you gotta villainize the poor because clearly they are lazy and need to stop stealing from the government :fp:

seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people these days? the ones that step on the homeless and poor are the same ones who say they love jesus and act nothing like him...

thank god the republicans lost. those in government are are a soulless, cold, selfish lot...

know1

I want to see the government do it's fair share to cut out waste before asking ANYONE to pay more for any reason.

cincybearcat

DId anyone read the list?

What would be wrong with setting up daycares that are staffed by people on welfare? They receive great job training and then provide a service to others. It wouldn't be in direct competition with other daycares because the people cant afford standard daycares. I always thought this would be a terrific idea. And I don;t care if it actually saves $ in the short term because I know it would in the long term.

Jason P

cincybearcat wrote:

DId anyone read the list?

I don't think so.

rollings

I think the word "volunteer" is spelled as such because it's a derivative of the word "voluntary" which means, "Done, given, or acting of one's own free will"

see also, "freedom"

compare and contrast with "fear", "oppression", and "knickers"

keeponrockin

I'm fine with drug tests for those receiving welfare as long as every company who receives some sort of government tax break/subsidy/farm subsidy has every employee tested as well. Afterall, why should the government give them money if they're going to spend it on drugs?

pandora

Another positive thread... thanks!

I would like to extend it to everyone doing their fair share, rich, poor, middle class.
Everyone wants to they just don't.
Yep, mandatory community service hours required for all.
Required to be a resident of the great US of A.

I'll work along side a multimillionaire ... I'm not that way.
Maybe we can go play bingo after!

We could all use being humbled, we could all use a lesson in giving.
Just imagine how great our country could be
all working together equally.

hedonist

know1 wrote:

I want to see the government do it's fair share to cut out waste before asking ANYONE to pay more for any reason.

Amen to that!

But, "fair" strikes me as subjective; I'd rather see "equal".

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The spirit of the original post seems to reveal a level of disdain for the underprivileged.

I'm not so certain most 'poor' people choose to be poor. Most of these people have had it rough. They haven't been fed with the silver spoon and have experienced difficulties of various degrees that have proven to be insurmountable as they try to 'compete with the Jones's'. From little to no support in their formative years to prejudices (not just ethnic ones) as they have grown older.

Granted there are your classic losers that tend to blemish society and provide a handy stereotype, but to paint the entire poor/homeless sector with a brush that colors them as lazy and useless seems a bit rough. Demanding more from a group that does not have much is hardly helpful.

It's easy to speak from a position of privilege. Go walk a mile in their shoes, Fear. Then count your blessings.

brianlux

No comment.

pandora

It's all in the way people look at it ... personal perspective.
Seems to me some posters must defend the poor to the point
they can't ask anything from them. Even things that are good for all.
To disregard really good ideas that could help them and everyone
based on imaginary prejudice of the OP really?

Let's work together...

brianlux

No comment.

pandora

brianlux wrote:

pandora wrote:

It's all in the way people look at it ... personal perspective.
Seems to me some posters must defend the poor to the point
they can't ask anything from them. Even things that are good for all.
To disregard really good ideas that could help them and everyone
based on imaginary prejudice of the OP really?

Let's work together...

Pandora, I responded from the un-imaginary perspective of having at one time lived in my vehicle for about two years. The OP's perspective speaks for itself as far as I'm concerned. Telling the poor to "do their fair share"? Bah!

We can all do our fair share even someone living in their car ...
you and others don't have to defend the poor, it's really not helping them or our country.

By helping others we feel better, we meet and bond with others.
Who knows what possibilities could have opened up for you?
Did you say bah or would you if given opportunities?

Positive doing, positive thinking, positive interacting.
No one needs to be protected from living and giving what they can.

The key is equal .... all.

keeponrockin

fear4freedom wrote:

7. Volunteer speakers, aids, assistants in urban areas to help mothers and children.
ANY OTHER IDEAS OUT THERE?

You mean like community organizers?

redrock

I would like to know what the OP consider as

'The Poor' - are they all who live below what is considered the poverty line? Could it be the family that fell on hard times or the single parent working whatever menial jobs they can find to feed their children and put shoes on their feet, depriving themselves of the essentials for this? They can bust their guts working just to survive. Or could it be the disabled who are often taking whatever low paid job they can get because most companies loathe to employ them. How much does one have to earn before not being poor? What's your take on that? If one earns $10 more than your 'limit', is one then taken out of the equation?

'Non-taxpaying citizens' - would that include students who usually will have some low paid job whilst studying (with taxes withheld from their paycheck)? Would that also include those that work hard but are exploited and earn peanuts (again wit taxes withheld from paychecks, etc.)? Lots of other groups that work and contribute via 'other taxes'. How about the pensioners, some quite old, who have worked and contributed all their lives?

Those that receive federal assistance Do you dump in the physically ill, the mentally ill, the severely disabled, etc.? What about all these companies that get some kind of 'federal assistance' in form of tax breaks/refunds, etc.... Are they included in these? After all, they get assistance.

Are all of these 'scroungers'? 'Takers'?

Whilst this 'community spirit' thing is good, as another poster said: "The spirit of the original post seems to reveal a level of disdain for the underprivileged." The OP doesn't seem to understand/want to understand what 'poor'/'underprivileged' really means.

'We' don't have to defend the poor? Usually, more vulnerable, not able to get their voice heard. If those that can be heard don't speak up for the more vulnerable, who will? It is just OK for them to be vilified and we can just discard them as, supposedly, not being of any use to 'our country'?

cincybearcat

redrock wrote:

I would like to know what the OP consider as

'The Poor' - are they all who live below what is considered the poverty line? Could it be the family that fell on hard times or the single parent working whatever menial jobs they can find to feed their children and put shoes on their feet, depriving themselves of the essentials for this? They can bust their guts working just to survive. Or could it be the disabled who are often taking whatever low paid job they can get because most companies loathe to employ them. How much does one have to earn before not being poor? What's your take on that? If one earns $10 more than your 'limit', is one then taken out of the equation?

'Non-taxpaying citizens' - would that include students who usually will have some low paid job whilst studying (with taxes withheld from their paycheck)? Would that also include those that work hard but are exploited and earn peanuts (again wit taxes withheld from paychecks, etc.)? Lots of other groups that work and contribute via 'other taxes'. How about the pensioners, some quite old, who have worked and contributed all their lives?

Those that receive federal assistance Do you dump in the physically ill, the mentally ill, the severely disabled, etc.? What about all these companies that get some kind of 'federal assistance' in form of tax breaks/refunds, etc.... Are they included in these? After all, they get assistance.

Are all of these 'scroungers'? 'Takers'?

Whilst this 'community spirit' thing is good, as another poster said: "The spirit of the original post seems to reveal a level of disdain for the underprivileged." The OP doesn't seem to understand/want to understand what 'poor'/'underprivileged' really means.

'We' don't have to defend the poor? Usually, more vulnerable, not able to get their voice heard. If those that can be heard don't speak up for the more vulnerable, who will? It is just OK for them to be vilified and we can just discard them as not being any use to 'our country'?

I want to know why you think those things on the list are so terrible?

redrock

cincybearcat wrote:

I want to know why you think those things on the list are so terrible?

I think you really need to re-read my post. I did not say such thing. I am only seeking clarification from the OP on certain terms he is using.

Go Beavers

pandora wrote:

We can all do our fair share even someone living in their car ...
you and others don't have to defend the poor, it's really not helping them or our country.

By helping others we feel better, we meet and bond with others.
Who knows what possibilities could have opened up for you?
Did you say bah or would you if given opportunities?

Positive doing, positive thinking, positive interacting.
No one needs to be protected from living and giving what they can.

The key is equal .... all.

Why defend the OP with Wavy Gravy burn-out speak? This whole notion of 'fair share' directed at people who are on some form of public assistance is a veiled attempt to create an enemy which is an ongoing method carried out by conservatives. I guess since terrorists don't have us a level orange, we need something else to direct our fears toward.

Go Beavers

The issue I have with drug tests is that it's mean-spirited, unconstitutional, and states that have done it have spent more on it than they have saved. But other than those reasons, it's a great idea!