the abuse of women by Islamic extremists or otherwise

chadwick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbGYPMDg ... 20A411C9E1
she wouldn't wear her hijab clothing so they imprisoned her for 3 years. during her 2nd year there three men raped & beated her. they broke her leg and almost had her leg removed somehow. she awoke to find maggots in her wounded leg.

she says Islam is the most horrible thing she has experienced & that Islam is rape, failure & that women are somehow half and not human beings

what the fuck is wrong with those guys of the Islamic ways? what a nasty group

catefrances

MEN raped her... MEN beat her. not islam.

chadwick

catefrances wrote:

MEN raped her... MEN beat her. not islam.

ok cate

chadwick

'they' treat women like garbage and the 'they' are islamic men. fuck them. 'they' are cruel nasty shits.

chadwick

http://youtu.be/gq4PFnl1S6Q
Pakistani women have a pretty tough go as well. a woman gets raped in Pakistan, that is a crime. she can be stoned to death. i remember years ago i watched a stoning to death video. unreal those fuckers over there.
they put ya in a shallow pit and the entire village's menfolk pelt your ass with stones until death. you are bound & covered with some kinda sheet thing and have a blind-fold on.

grooveme

chadwick wrote:

http://youtu.be/gq4PFnl1S6Q
Pakistani women have a pretty tough go as well. a woman gets raped in Pakistan, that is a crime. she can be stoned to death. i remember years ago i watched a stoning to death video. unreal those fuckers over there.
they put ya in a shallow pit and the entire village's menfolk pelt your ass with stones until death. you are bound & covered with some kinda sheet thing and have a blind-fold on.

Sure, men do these things, not Islam, but the countries that seem to have Islamists in charge / follow Sharia law have the worst treatment of women, who have little or no rights separate from the men in their family. Pitiful, backwards places/societies in this regard.

chadwick

^ yes they are fucking pitiful & backwards as well as fucking cruel, useless & as dumb as shit

lukin2006

Anyone who lets any religion instructs them on what to eat or how to treat their woman are dumb as shit ... and I doubt any part of the world treat woman as bad as this part of the world ... I will confess as to not knowing whether its the religion, or if they use religion as an excuse ... No matter it's pure bullshit.

chadwick

women under a cruel bastard of Islam or otherwise are invited to iowa, usa. now the question is 'how do they get here?' yes i am the boss of all of iowa

brianlux

Talking with women at out women's center leads me to believe too many women have been abused EVERYWHERE. One out of four woman have been raped. To out of five have been raped or have to flee a rape attempt. This is not acceptable.

Edit: One out of a thousand or ten thousand is unacceptable. What is acceptable? A society where some one asks, "How prevalent is rape", and the answer is, "What is that?".

chadwick

brianlux wrote:

Talking with women at out women's center leads me to believe too many women have been abused EVERYWHERE. One out of four woman have been raped. To out of five have been raped or have to flee a rape attempt. This is not acceptable.

women have been oppressed, misused, tortured & everything else terrible for so long. it is because they are not as strong as men and other reasons. some men feel threatened by their presents, their beauty, their intelligence and they feel they have to smoother that out of them. it's done all over the world not just by Islamic freaks or whatever they got going on in the middleeast countries.

china treats women like crap. the list goes on. women just got their rights over here in the u.s. only a handfull of decades ago.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/womenstimeline1.html - timeline of womens rights movement here in the u.s.

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=63 - women could finally vote august 1920.
this took decades of struggle & hardwork

lukin2006

John Lennon and Yoko Ono addressed this issue long before it became fashionable to do so ... like he so often he did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lMxWWK218

fuck

The obsession people in the West have with Islamic extremism is quite fascinating. It's as if your job is to liberate brown women from brown men (only to then be subjugated to white men).

catefrances

fuck wrote:

The obsession people in the West have with Islamic extremism is quite fascinating. It's as if your job is to liberate brown women from brown men (only to then be subjugated to white men).

well dont you know fuck, were more civilised than them.

Jason P

fuck wrote:

The obsession people in the West have with Islamic extremism is quite fascinating. It's as if your job is to liberate brown women from brown men (only to then be subjugated to white men).

When airplanes full of civilians are flown into skyscrapers, it tends to catch our attention.

chadwick

i very much am more civilized than some assholes who beat, rape and torture women just because they can.
then when in court the women have zero rights and even when pregnant with the rapists baby she is called a liar and is given punishment for being raped. yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Cosmo

This is what happens when Religion based upon old writings that are considered to be 'Holy', are used as the basis for Laws to be followed by Man.
I mean, look at the Bible... there are tons of examples of how to treat Women as underlings... hell, even as property. As societies move away from religious text as rigid law, we see Women in a different light... and we don't sell our daughters to settle our sins.
Islam is what... 1400 years old? What was Christianity like in the 1400s?
In other words... Islam has to want to change and no matter what we say or want... they need to grow up and away from that crappy interpretation of what they believe God wants them to do... just as Christianity (for the better part) has moved away from the way God was depicted by Men... 5000 years ago.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

This is what happens when Religion based upon old writings that are considered to be 'Holy', are used as the basis for Laws to be followed by Man.
I mean, look at the Bible... there are tons of examples of how to treat Women as underlings... hell, even as property. As societies move away from religious text as rigid law, we see Women in a different light... and we don't sell our daughters to settle our sins.
Islam is what... 1400 years old? What was Christianity like in the 1400s?
In other words... Islam has to want to change and no matter what we say or want... they need to grow up and away from that crappy interpretation of what they believe God wants them to do... just as Christianity (for the better part) has moved away from the way God was depicted by Men... 5000 years ago.

Gods were way more fun B.C... and there were more of them. even the christian God was intereting.. sure he was a dick at times but he was way more interactive with mankind. what happened? did he get bored with us? or did we come to the greatest revelation of all... that God exists only because we made him and therfore started to move away from him and think about him differently? what i find fascinating is the evolution of christianity and islam as monotheistic religions. how is it that we embraced these middle eastern religions as our own at the expense of, in my case at least, the pantheon of celtic Gods? how is it that the greeks, who had some of the awesomest Gods in the history of mankind came to worship a jewish man as their saviour?

fuck

Jason P wrote:

fuck wrote:

The obsession people in the West have with Islamic extremism is quite fascinating. It's as if your job is to liberate brown women from brown men (only to then be subjugated to white men).

When airplanes full of civilians are flown into skyscrapers, it tends to catch our attention.

So the reason Americans are allowed to watch youtube videos of some crazy men in an entire other part of the world, and ultimately cast judgment upon some of the most contentious issues going on in that part of the world is because a group of crazies from there committed 9/11?
Don't even try to say that they committed 9/11 because of anything in Islam either. That argument has long been discredited, and I suggest you read up on the history of U.S. foreign policy in that part of the world if you don't already know that.

fuck

Cosmo wrote:

This is what happens when Religion based upon old writings that are considered to be 'Holy', are used as the basis for Laws to be followed by Man.
I mean, look at the Bible... there are tons of examples of how to treat Women as underlings... hell, even as property. As societies move away from religious text as rigid law, we see Women in a different light... and we don't sell our daughters to settle our sins.
Islam is what... 1400 years old? What was Christianity like in the 1400s?
In other words... Islam has to want to change and no matter what we say or want... they need to grow up and away from that crappy interpretation of what they believe God wants them to do... just as Christianity (for the better part) has moved away from the way God was depicted by Men... 5000 years ago.

What people here don't know is that there are serious Reformist movements going on in the Muslim and Islamic intellectual world. Unfortunately, what people also don't know is that by allowing Western media to dominate the discourse by reposting this depiction of Islam (e.g., that it allows the subjugation of women, etc), and in even greater ways by supporting Western policies there, they only fuel extremism and make Reformism that much harder. This forces Reformists to have a two-sided battle: on one side the extremists in the Muslim world, and on the other side the extremists in the Western world, most of whom think that at some level, Islam should be abhorred.

Jason P

fuck wrote:

Jason P wrote:

fuck wrote:

The obsession people in the West have with Islamic extremism is quite fascinating. It's as if your job is to liberate brown women from brown men (only to then be subjugated to white men).

When airplanes full of civilians are flown into skyscrapers, it tends to catch our attention.

So the reason Americans are allowed to watch youtube videos of some crazy men in an entire other part of the world, and ultimately cast judgment upon some of the most contentious issues going on in that part of the world is because a group of crazies from there committed 9/11?
Don't even try to say that they committed 9/11 because of anything in Islam either. That argument has long been discredited, and I suggest you read up on the history of U.S. foreign policy in that part of the world if you don't already know that.

Most people didn't even know what a Muslim was back then any more then they know what a Buddhist or Hindu is today. The second that Buddhists and Hindus start strapping ball-bearings to their chest and blowing themselves in crowded marketplaces, we will pay heed to their extremist sects and the behavior they display.

And it is complete pish posh to say Islam wasn't involved in 9/11. Recruiting would be very hard if you didn't believe that blowing yourself up will be rewarded in the afterlife.

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

Gods were way more fun B.C... and there were more of them. even the christian God was intereting.. sure he was a dick at times but he was way more interactive with mankind. what happened? did he get bored with us? or did we come to the greatest revelation of all... that God exists only because we made him and therfore started to move away from him and think about him differently? what i find fascinating is the evolution of christianity and islam as monotheistic religions. how is it that we embraced these middle eastern religions as our own at the expense of, in my case at least, the pantheon of celtic Gods? how is it that the greeks, who had some of the awesomest Gods in the history of mankind came to worship a jewish man as their saviour?

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Great questions... no real answers. Except, God still talks to the crazy homeless guy who lives on Fairfax Avenue in L.A.
The funny thing... The God image most of us Western-types think of... is Zeus. The white-haired, bearded old white dude in paintings is based on the ancient Greek god from the ancient Greek civilization. There is a reason why there are no images of God in the Jewish religion... God's image cannot be created by Man. That's why Jewish Temples are decorated with geometric designs, rather than sculptures... am I right? Help me out, my Jewish brothers/sisters.
God (or whatever) has such an overwhelming burden because He has to shoulder all of the imperfections on Man, whom created God in his (Man's) image. Christianity gained popularity and took root because you can lay all of the shit you've done in your life onto Jesus' back. That is how Hitler ended up in Heaven, by asking forgiveness of his lord saviour... while the 6 million Jews burn in Hell for not accepting Jesus as their Saviour.
Makes sense.... right?

JOEJOEJOE

Cosmo wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Gods were way more fun B.C... and there were more of them. even the christian God was intereting.. sure he was a dick at times but he was way more interactive with mankind. what happened? did he get bored with us? or did we come to the greatest revelation of all... that God exists only because we made him and therfore started to move away from him and think about him differently? what i find fascinating is the evolution of christianity and islam as monotheistic religions. how is it that we embraced these middle eastern religions as our own at the expense of, in my case at least, the pantheon of celtic Gods? how is it that the greeks, who had some of the awesomest Gods in the history of mankind came to worship a jewish man as their saviour?

...
Great questions... no real answers. Except, God still talks to the crazy homeless guy who lives on Fairfax Avenue in L.A.
The funny thing... The God image most of us Western-types think of... is Zeus. The white-haired, bearded old white dude in paintings is based on the ancient Greek god from the ancient Greek civilization. There is a reason why there are no images of God in the Jewish religion... God's image cannot be created by Man. That's why Jewish Temples are decorated with geometric designs, rather than sculptures... am I right? Help me out, my Jewish brothers/sisters.
God (or whatever) has such an overwhelming burden because He has to shoulder all of the imperfections on Man, whom created God in his (Man's) image. Christianity gained popularity and took root because you can lay all of the shit you've done in your life onto Jesus' back. That is how Hitler ended up in Heaven, by asking forgiveness of his lord saviour... while the 6 million Jews burn in Hell for not accepting Jesus as their Saviour.
Makes sense.... right?

You are correct...we jews do not try to put a face to the name.

In fact, we don't even spell out his/her name in full...we use G-d.

In addition, unless Jewsish people are saying a prayer or reading the torah (the bible),
G-d is referred to as "Hashem" (Hebrew for "the name"), as opposed to the formal name, which is "Adonai".

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Gods were way more fun B.C... and there were more of them. even the christian God was intereting.. sure he was a dick at times but he was way more interactive with mankind. what happened? did he get bored with us? or did we come to the greatest revelation of all... that God exists only because we made him and therfore started to move away from him and think about him differently? what i find fascinating is the evolution of christianity and islam as monotheistic religions. how is it that we embraced these middle eastern religions as our own at the expense of, in my case at least, the pantheon of celtic Gods? how is it that the greeks, who had some of the awesomest Gods in the history of mankind came to worship a jewish man as their saviour?

...
Great questions... no real answers. Except, God still talks to the crazy homeless guy who lives on Fairfax Avenue in L.A.
The funny thing... The God image most of us Western-types think of... is Zeus. The white-haired, bearded old white dude in paintings is based on the ancient Greek god from the ancient Greek civilization. There is a reason why there are no images of God in the Jewish religion... God's image cannot be created by Man. That's why Jewish Temples are decorated with geometric designs, rather than sculptures... am I right? Help me out, my Jewish brothers/sisters.
God (or whatever) has such an overwhelming burden because He has to shoulder all of the imperfections on Man, whom created God in his (Man's) image. Christianity gained popularity and took root because you can lay all of the shit you've done in your life onto Jesus' back. That is how Hitler ended up in Heaven, by asking forgiveness of his lord saviour... while the 6 million Jews burn in Hell for not accepting Jesus as their Saviour.
Makes sense.... right?

jews will go to their own heaven... not the christian heaven. tho wouldnt it be cool if the afterlife was one big multidenominational festival? all those earthbound years of separation through religion and my god is better than your god is the one true god and in the end everyone ends up in the same place. i doubt it matters to them tho that some megolomaniac thinks differently.

catefrances

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

You are correct...we jews do not try to put a face to the name.

In fact, we don't even spell out his/her name in full...we use G-d.

In addition, unless Jewsish people are saying a prayer or reading the torah (the bible),
G-d is referred to as "Hashem" (Hebrew for "the name"), as opposed to the formal name, which is "Adonai".

why dont you spell out god in full???

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

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jews will go to their own heaven... not the christian heaven. tho wouldnt it be cool if the afterlife was one big multidenominational festival? all those earthbound years of separation through religion and my god is better than your god is the one true god and in the end everyone ends up in the same place. i doubt it matters to them tho that some megolomaniac thinks differently.

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I didn't know Heaven was split up... I was under the impression that if we got there... there would be no use for religion because... hey... there's God over there... let's ask Him.
I guess it's good that God has Heaven segrated by religion... otherwise Hitler would have an awful lot of angry Jews wanting to kick his ass when they got there.

fuck

catefrances wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

This is what happens when Religion based upon old writings that are considered to be 'Holy', are used as the basis for Laws to be followed by Man.
I mean, look at the Bible... there are tons of examples of how to treat Women as underlings... hell, even as property. As societies move away from religious text as rigid law, we see Women in a different light... and we don't sell our daughters to settle our sins.
Islam is what... 1400 years old? What was Christianity like in the 1400s?
In other words... Islam has to want to change and no matter what we say or want... they need to grow up and away from that crappy interpretation of what they believe God wants them to do... just as Christianity (for the better part) has moved away from the way God was depicted by Men... 5000 years ago.

Gods were way more fun B.C... and there were more of them. even the christian God was intereting.. sure he was a dick at times but he was way more interactive with mankind. what happened? did he get bored with us? or did we come to the greatest revelation of all... that God exists only because we made him and therfore started to move away from him and think about him differently? what i find fascinating is the evolution of christianity and islam as monotheistic religions. how is it that we embraced these middle eastern religions as our own at the expense of, in my case at least, the pantheon of celtic Gods? how is it that the greeks, who had some of the awesomest Gods in the history of mankind came to worship a jewish man as their saviour?

Well, one big reason Islam beat out the polytheism of Arabia during the 7th century was the fact that it was a social movement as well--calling for economic justice, fighting the notion of 'class.' It was not strange to see a Muslim man buy a Muslim slave who was being persecuted by his polytheistic owner for his conversion, and then free him. Moreover, while lots of the earlier Qur'anic verses stressed God's monotheism, the verses also stressed economic and social justice. Moreover, the fact that the first 13 years of Muhammad's mission was carried out entirely peaceful, despite the huge persecution Muslims were getting (similar to Jesus) earned him a lot of support. It was only until far later when the Muslims were in a position of power and had their own city-state in Medina that you see verses that had more of a 'legislative' nature to them. Furthermore, the fact that Muslims had a sense of religious pluralism with other monotheistic faiths in the beginning (evidenced, for example, by the Constitution of Medina) helped earn them support. Finally, when Muhammad conquered Mecca, and the Islamic empire began to grow, conversion was convenient to many others.

As for why Christianity won out, I'm sure the adoption of the religion by the Roman Empire had a lot to do with it.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

catefrances wrote:

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jews will go to their own heaven... not the christian heaven. tho wouldnt it be cool if the afterlife was one big multidenominational festival? all those earthbound years of separation through religion and my god is better than your god is the one true god and in the end everyone ends up in the same place. i doubt it matters to them tho that some megolomaniac thinks differently.

...
I didn't know Heaven was split up... I was under the impression that if we got there... there would be no use for religion because... hey... there's God over there... let's ask Him.
I guess it's good that God has Heaven segrated by religion... otherwise Hitler would have an awful lot of angry Jews wanting to kick his ass when they got there.

and that would be karma kicking his arse, would it not???

fuck

Jason P wrote:

fuck wrote:

Jason P wrote:

When airplanes full of civilians are flown into skyscrapers, it tends to catch our attention.

So the reason Americans are allowed to watch youtube videos of some crazy men in an entire other part of the world, and ultimately cast judgment upon some of the most contentious issues going on in that part of the world is because a group of crazies from there committed 9/11?
Don't even try to say that they committed 9/11 because of anything in Islam either. That argument has long been discredited, and I suggest you read up on the history of U.S. foreign policy in that part of the world if you don't already know that.

Most people didn't even know what a Muslim was back then any more then they know what a Buddhist or Hindu is today. The second that Buddhists and Hindus start strapping ball-bearings to their chest and blowing themselves in crowded marketplaces, we will pay heed to their extremist sects and the behavior they display.

And it is complete pish posh to say Islam wasn't involved in 9/11. Recruiting would be very hard if you didn't believe that blowing yourself up will be rewarded in the afterlife.

Oh, give me a fucking break. As if Timothy McVay changed the perception of Christianity in the U.S. People still feel comfortable saying Christianity does not necessarily cause this and that the extremism of others is very minimal. Islam is a whole other story.

Quit acting like this is a normal reaction of Americans to 9/11 to be this prejudiced against Islam. The fact is, Islam has long been seen as 'the other.' Just look at Huntington's notion of the clash of civilizations. The West is supposed to have that Judeo-Christian heritage that only recognizes Islam as foreign. Throughout the past several hundred years, since colonialism, so much misinformation about Islam has been prevalent throughout society. It's absolutely ludicrous to suggest that it's simply a reaction to 9/11. That's not to suggest that 9/11 did not mark a turning point, but all it did was add more fuel to the flames of arrogance and misconceptions that were already burning--ironically, they were burning in the first place due to U.S. foreign policy.

chadwick

men worldwide are cruel to women. the middle east is a clusterfuck of harsh bullshit & wars over religion, land, oil & what have you. anyone who believes for a moment that women are equals over there should maybe consider visiting those countries who are famous for oppressing women, maybe you'll stay beings it is so lovely. i'll guarantee you something, there is not a woman in the 10 club community who would spend a great deal of time in the middle east alone or with someone. in fact she would most probably run away from the idea.

i will admit i do not know much about muslim & islam. but i do know the women are second class citizens as are the women of china and female new borns... it is a circus act in china & other oriental countries. what country treats their women well?

many powerful women here in the u.s. how are the spanish speaking countries treating their women? europe? can a woman be stoned to death for being raped in russia? if a woman is raped in poland is she punished by imprisonment?

fuck

I mean, I just don't understand these types of topics. What if someone in the Muslim world found random articles of the most savage things one could hear done to women and children in the U.S. (you know they exist in this country) and blames it all on the hedonism and commercialism and militarism rampant in American culture, that allows these movies riddled with violence in them to be so common in society, etc.? It would be absolutely stupid of someone like that, halfway around the world, to make a judgment like that, even if mini-truths in it exists. So, why is it ok for Americans to do this about the Muslim world? You know stories like this only flood the mainstream media just to keep up support for what the powers that be are doing there, if only to justify some insane 'civilizing mission'.