Islamic compounds in U.S.A Training for Jihad
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http://lawenforcementtoday.com/2012/11/16/informant-islamic-compounds-in-america-are-training-for-jihad/
http://vinienco.com/2012/11/18/islamic-community-forms-government-usa/
I'll just post part of the story. Does anyone know why this is being ignored? How can they treat women and children this way in America?
In Hancock, NY an Islamic community that sits on 80 acres of land has decided to form its own government. They call their community: The Town of Islamberg. They have their own mayor, deputy mayor and five town council members. None of them are elected, of course.
They even boast that their “town” provides departments of education, medical, finance and land development services.
This Islamic compound has truly become a city-state. Though not recognized as a legitimate township by the City of Hancock, this Islamic community nevertheless enforces its own laws on the “citizens” within its borders. They do so by using the iron fist of Sharia law.
I interviewed a member of this camp, which sits deep in the Catskills Mountains of upstate New York. The Islamic group that has established this camp is part a network known as Muslims of the Americas (MOA), which has documented links to Al Qaeda.
MOA has established similar villages in nearly three-dozen locations nationwide, with other prominent camps found in Texas, Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, California and Tennessee.
http://vinienco.com/2012/11/18/islamic-community-forms-government-usa/
I'll just post part of the story. Does anyone know why this is being ignored? How can they treat women and children this way in America?
In Hancock, NY an Islamic community that sits on 80 acres of land has decided to form its own government. They call their community: The Town of Islamberg. They have their own mayor, deputy mayor and five town council members. None of them are elected, of course.
They even boast that their “town” provides departments of education, medical, finance and land development services.
This Islamic compound has truly become a city-state. Though not recognized as a legitimate township by the City of Hancock, this Islamic community nevertheless enforces its own laws on the “citizens” within its borders. They do so by using the iron fist of Sharia law.
I interviewed a member of this camp, which sits deep in the Catskills Mountains of upstate New York. The Islamic group that has established this camp is part a network known as Muslims of the Americas (MOA), which has documented links to Al Qaeda.
MOA has established similar villages in nearly three-dozen locations nationwide, with other prominent camps found in Texas, Virginia, South Carolina, Georgia, California and Tennessee.
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The GOP ignores it because they will be accused of Islamophobia if they pursue it! Also, the future will have many muslims and Islamic influence here in the USA and whoever bends to the pressure, or appeases them the most, will win the voting block in the future!
Sound familiar? It happened with the African Americans, then the hispanics, now the gays and soon to be the Muslims! All future Democrats!
Thats why!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
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I don't personally "get it" but they don't bother anyone else... let them live in peace.
It should also be noted that they took part in the post 9/11 rescue effort and were there on day 2.
These are good people, not terrorists. They came here to escape tyranny and terrorism.
There are over 30 of these types of camps, compounds, etc. around the country. If they are peaceful...great!
If they hurt their own women and children, not great! If they live under Sharia Law, not acceptable! If they raise money for bad groups overseas, not acceptable! You do know that the biggest part of their strategy is to move here in large numbers of peaceful people first....then use the power of numbers to influence their causes. You do know that right?
Let me ask you, why are your responses clean and positive when pertaining to people of other than white color, but they are negative and attacking when there are white all pro Americans involved?
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1) because my own family has been attacked by the same "white all pro Americans" and if this last election has taught us anything, it's that minority communities have had to - out of necessity - put our differences aside and defended each other. The same McCarthyist attacks on this community are the same kind used against mine.
1a) Don't be silly. I've defended many white people and I called Herman Cain "The King Of Uranus."
2) Because the term "white pro American" is baffling but if it means what I think it does, is pretty un-American.
I would love to see you just once, criticize the Nation of Islam, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Acorn, NAACP, ACLU, etc. whenever they are out of hand! Cmon, dont be so rigid for the left! Be righteous for THE PEOPLE
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All people need to do more on every level!
They are.
I think that goes for everyone, actually. Do you have anything that would suggest that they have done anything?
I'm honestly not totally sure what "living under Sharia Law' means (I doubt you do, either), but if it's anything like allowing communities like the Amish living under their own laws in their own settlements... not sure what the problem is.
Like how the Christian Right is funding those "kill the gays" bills in Uganda and Malawi? and do you have any proof they do this?
I can't even come up with a response that sinks to the paranoid, asinine and vaguely racist tone of this.
Make you a deal. When you point to your own criticism of Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, I'll point you to the many times that I've been quite critical of pretty much every one of those entries on your list.
As an addd bonus, I'll point to the times I've been critical of the president. But for that, I'll ask that you explain how "the left" is not "the people." I mean... they're a very clear majority of the country.
which school of sharia law are you referring to... hanbali, hanifi, maliki, shafi'i? cause you know what one school recognises isnt necessarily recognised by the others.
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Maliki! Thats the one I dont like so much! All the others I can tolerate, but Maliki is evil! I would say that its the work of the Devil! You?
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as i do not discriminate id have to say ALL religions are the work of the devil. :twisted:
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is this one of those sleeper cell terrorist groups that i have been waiting 10 years for to slit my throat, rape my wife and hang my dogs in the middle of the night? ive been wondering where they were...?
The first link is hilarious, as they use a picture of masked guys with weapons and lots of ammo, as to suggest that it was taken in one of these communities.
And why is this informant sending stuff to the NYPD for information about things not in their jurisdiction? What is the NYPD going to do with it?
Do people know how many compounds exist in this country for everything like religious cults, odd religious sects, paranoid wanna-be militia members, etc? I'm sure the feds are keeping an eye on things, but until some large scale illegal activity becomes apparent, they aren't going to raid a compound. Remember Waco and Ruby Ridge?
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If not, I thought conservatives wanted government to stay out of people's lives.
But they have different beliefs than them. Today's conservatives only want the government to stay out of peoples' lives who agree with them.
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Yeeeeah, put "town" in quotes, as if it's not some town, but a terrorist camp. This Pearl Jam "forum" is a place where we discuss politics and music and whatever else.... yeeeah, but we know the truth. We know that this place is actually just where we come to shit on the band when they do what we do not like. All the other stuff, the talking politics and music, etc, that's all a front for our true purpose :twisted:
What is Shari`ah law? Anyone? Nice use of "iron first" though. I mean, by the third paragraph, you can tell, this is a truly unbiased piece of journalism.
Any information on what kind of links? How/where it's documented? No? Alright, see you later.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Or maybe you just don't understand what Sharia law really is about... It's the kind of shit that literally makes it okay to throw acid on little girls on their way to school or murder their daughters for having premarital sex, if that's what some men take it into mind to do. Anyone suggesting that Sharia law might not be something North American authorities need to watch for and intervene on has their head up their ass. Sorry.
Anyone who has studied Islamic law knows that nothing in it suggests all this nonsense of honor killing and throwing acid in one's face, that's pure nonsense. Anyone who has studied it knows that at its root core is a pluralistic fiber that is so much more understanding and humanistic than people make it out to be.
Your fearmongering does not help quell any of the misinformation out there.
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Sharia law does NOT fit in with our laws, our respect of all people equally (that would be women I'm talking about, obviously), and Sharia law DOES defend the right of men to commit honour killings and to rule over women. Those actions are not even particulay punishable under Sharia law as it is practiced around the world. Sharia law is what the Taliban promote. So yeah, I have an issue with it! If you think these things aren't true of Sharia law, then you are uninformed, misinformed, or naive, or perhaps ignoring reality and instead focusing in on defensive statements from within Sharia communities as they try to improve their PR. Now, that being said, obviously Sharia law is not something desired by most Muslims (thank god). Most Muslims are fearful of groups such as the Taliban who want to spread it as law and take it to that violent level that many groups do indeed take it once it's off paper and put into practice (which is all that matters). But if there are communities who are trying to establish Sharia Law in the US, then they should be stopped from doing so IMO, because we have seen very clearly what people do with it once it's actually put into practice. There are groups in Canada who are trying to practice Sharia law as well - thankfully, our government quite openly condems such attempts because the position of women in those communities is incongruous with Canadian values. Trust me, even if Sharia law didn't sometimes lead to actual violence against women, the whole principle behind it is (or should be) completely offensive to anyone who cares about equal rights for women.
I think your totally incorrect options about my view and your reaction to my common sense and realistic quification of Sharia law is a knee-jerk one rooted in overbearing PCism. But I do think it's important to remind people to not paint Muslims with a sharia brush. Most of those who come here do not practice or want it.
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Oh, we in the Western civilization respect all people equally? I guess that's why there is so much rape and sexism in this country, sexism which was pretty much institutional until only a few decades ago. How quickly we forget. Not to mention the minorities who are continuously oppressed in different parts of the West. Or did you forget that the only superpower in the world bombing and raping and pillaging is also this country? Yeah, let's go teach those Muslims all about equality!
The second statement is simply a lie. There is nothing in Shari`ah about 'honor killing' and that's a fact. Do your research before you just say these things. And 'rule over women' ? It's like you're being ambiguous on purpose.
And liberalism is what the American Empire is promoting, right? Give me a fucking break.
Other than the ad hominem, nothing here really makes sense, but I'll have you know that I study Islamic law, its history, its many interpretations, and so on, for a living. To call me uninformed or naive is one thing, but you're not even trying to provide any evidence to the claims you are making. I've already disputed them, yet all you did was reiterate it, albeit in a rant. The fact is this: the history of Islamic law is one that respects religious and intellectual pluralism. furthermore, the relationship between politics and law, as in any society, was extremely complicated. It was not until after Western colonialism in the 19th century that much reformation took place with regards to Islamic law's role in society. In fact, a British general who landed in India in the late 18th century actually commented on how rarely, if ever, the death penalty was applied. It was the British who introduced Draconian punishments into India!
I'm not trying to turn this into a 'blame the West' game. Obviously there are complications here. But that's the exact point. To disregard a civilization's rich, thousand year history, is intellectually disingenuous.
[quote[Now, that being said, obviously Sharia law is not something desired by most Muslims (thank god).[/quote]
what? now you speak for Muslims? and what do you even mean desired? You clearly know nothing about Shari`ah. Shari`ah is all-encompassing, and includes basic things like praying and keeping clean. Muslims don't desire this? Do you mean specifically with regards to civil/criminal law? Cause if so, then I still have some bad news for you, look at so many different countries in Asia, the Middle East, and North Africa, like Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Indonesia and Malaysia, and you'll see that most Muslims still do want that. Just because some crazies like the Taliban infuse misogynistic cultural practices with it and tag it Islamic law does not make that so. But, if you had done any actual research, you'd know that.
I see you're from Canada, and I assume you're a woman since you speak very personally about women's rights. I agree that the tradition of Islamic law is often tainted with misogyny. But the question is not whether this exists or not, in my opinion. It's whether it is inherent in Islam or not. And in my opinion the answer is no, and the case can easily be made. Islamic law in its essence is only that which can be attributed to divine text (the Qur'an) or divinely-inspired (prophetic sayings/deeds). Naturally, over hundreds of years, more literature comes up, traditions emerge that are considered 'Islamic', but eventually people need to go back and mark the distinction between what is truly Islamic law, and what emerged later. Then, it is necessary to apply the general principles of Islamic law, which include equality regardless of gender, to contemporary issues. These are debates existing in sophistication within the Muslim community, but people like you who go around preaching about the dangers of Islamic law (not necessarily to you, but in general) unfortunately spread misinformation and lies without taking any of this into account, and that is tragic. Just because the media reports stories of poor women being affected in areas controlled by extremists does not mean that that is the norm. If the media reported on all the women in the U.S. and Western countries who are attacked by disgusting men, do you think there would be time to read scores of the hockey games?
Finally, I think given your interest in Islam and feminism, you should check out the book "Politics of Piety" by Saba Mahmood. It will give you an interesting idea, the basic premise of the book being that there is not one, single, monolithic and universal 'feminism,' and just because women may be happy living under shari`ah does not make them naive or submissive or anything like that. People express power in different ways. Check it out.