Romney Blames Loss on Obama’s ‘Gifts’

hedonist

I wish the so-called winners and losers would act with just a bit of grace, and class...goes for the candidates as well as those who support/oppose them.

No pouting, no gloating. How's shit supposed to move on, otherwise?

As to the voting/public holiday thing, I've never waited more than a few minutes to vote (though now I do the absentee ballot) - this may be particular to Los Angeles, I'm not sure. But all of the companies I've worked for have allowed some extra paid time to hit the polls.

hedonist

catefrances wrote:

explains why its not compulsory to vote and why the turnout isnt higher.

Cate, do you think voting should be mandatory?

Pondering this, the Rush lyric from Free Will comes to mind - "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".

catefrances

hedonist wrote:

catefrances wrote:

explains why its not compulsory to vote and why the turnout isnt higher.

Cate, do you think voting should be mandatory?

Pondering this, the Rush lyric from Free Will comes to mind - "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".

voting is compulsory here in oz. tho once this wizard floated in in a balloon and we let him stay..anyways... i think voter turnout here would be considerably lower if it werent compulsory. australians arent as invested in their politics as americans appear to be. thats not to say we dont care tis just we didnt have to fight for our freedoms the way americans had to. our independence as it is was handed to us, before discussions on democratic suffrage were going on in europe so we tend not to se voting as an important part in being a full citizen in a democracy. the fact that we are australians is enough. we tend to see voting as a chore. its a rare to meet anyone who actually belongs to a political party cause its seen pretty much as a waste of time. political values flow from the experience of the people and that of their ancestors and what they see as the role of politics and government.
so to your question as to whether i think voting should be mandatory, it depends on the country. id like to think it could be non compulsory here in oz but voter turnout would drop. our population isnt all that big so it could turn into a case where we have a minority party in power...oh wait.. we have that now.

Jeanwah

I could be wrong, but it seems that Florida has extreme lines for voting and it's not like this anywhere else. But I don't know, the swing states probably do have more of a wait time. No lines here where I am.

hedonist

catefrances wrote:

voting is compulsory here in oz. tho once this wizard floated in in a balloon and we let him stay..anyways... i think voter turnout here would be considerably lower if it werent compulsory. australians arent as invested in their politics as americans appear to be. thats not to say we dont care tis just we didnt have to fight for our freedoms the way americans had to. our independence as it is was handed to us, before discussions on democratic suffrage were going on in europe so we tend not to se voting as an important part in being a full citizen in a democracy. the fact that we are australians is enough. we tend to see voting as a chore. its a rare to meet anyone who actually belongs to a political party cause its seen pretty much as a waste of time. political values flow from the experience of the people and that of their ancestors and what they see as the role of politics and government.
so to your question as to whether i think voting should be mandatory, it depends on the country. id like to think it could be non compulsory here in oz but voter turnout would drop. our population isnt all that big so it could turn into a case where we have a minority party in power...oh wait.. we have that now.

Ah, thanks for the explanation. Interesting how this is viewed and lived with from another culture's perspective.

I think there are some here who also view voting as a chore, yet as a duty as well - the good kind, if that makes sense.

SatansFuton

I read somewhere, I'm pretty sure on here (you may have brought it up cate) that since it's a holiday, people going to vote drunk is considered a little bit of a problem.

catefrances

hedonist wrote:

Ah, thanks for the explanation. Interesting how this is viewed and lived with from another culture's perspective.

I think there are some here who also view voting as a chore, yet as a duty as well - the good kind, if that makes sense.

i guess if you feel disenfranchised from the system you will view voting as something to be endured. its not like the politicians make it attractive with all the bullshit that comes out of their mouths and the collective inaction by those who were thought to be different from the last guy. i would love for someone to stand up and say what they want to, not what theyre gonna do and admit that theres a good chance their intentions will be thwarted by those who dont share the vision. dont make promises(in any guise) that you know cant be kept.. cause it shits us no end when you get into power and then say oh well we cant do that because blah blah blah.

catefrances

SatansFuton wrote:

I read somewhere, I'm pretty sure on here (you may have brought it up cate) that since it's a holiday, people going to vote drunk is considered a little bit of a problem.

doesnt sound like something i would say. which voters are you referring to?

bootlegger10

Jeanwah wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

this was not a close race. electoral vote difference >100, obama had at least 2.5 million more popular votes. it was not close at all. it was an ass kicking.

romney embarrassed the gop. or the gop embarrassed itself with the candidates it chose to field.

Yeah, I think anyone who thought it was close is in slight denial.

It wasn't close from an electoral perspective, but last I checked Romney had 48.6% of the vote and Obama had 51.4% of the vote. Only a 2.8% difference. Sure 3.5 million more votes is a lot, but Romney still almost had 50% of the vote, so half the country is still against Obama's policies. But yeah, Obama won.

SatansFuton

bootlegger10 wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

this was not a close race. electoral vote difference >100, obama had at least 2.5 million more popular votes. it was not close at all. it was an ass kicking.

romney embarrassed the gop. or the gop embarrassed itself with the candidates it chose to field.

Yeah, I think anyone who thought it was close is in slight denial.

It wasn't close from an electoral perspective, but last I checked Romney had 48.6% of the vote and Obama had 51.4% of the vote. Only a 2.8% difference. Sure 3.5 million more votes is a lot, but Romney still almost had 50% of the vote, so half the country is still against Obama's policies. But yeah, Obama won.

True, but I'd say "half the country is still against Obama", as opposed to policies. I'm sure some, or many are, but plenty of people on both sides voted without policy in mind. I know many people who hate Obama who really have no clue what his policies are.

Prince Of Dorkness

Ok we all know that after it was discovered that he had personally donated ten thousand dollars to have my family's rights and protections voted away (and tried to hide it), And said that all states should vote on wether I should get the "benefit" of visiting my husband in the hospital, I did anything and everything I could to help destroy him.

Now that that's over with...


My Theory: Mitt Romney is humiliated. He's a snobby rich guy who thought he could buy anything he wanted. And he certainly wasn't going to be beaten by a black man. But he was. And he isn't dumb, he knows exactly why.

He ran a divisive campaign that sought to divide the American public and pit them against each other, thus alienating the very groups he needed: women, Latinos, African Americans, Asians, the GLBT community, young people of all races. But instead of admitting that, he's decided to scorch the earth. Further alienate those groups and poison the Republican well. In hopes that the next two or three election cycles will show the same results so he can point to them and say "SEE!! It wasn't MY fault!!

SatansFuton

catefrances wrote:

SatansFuton wrote:

I read somewhere, I'm pretty sure on here (you may have brought it up cate) that since it's a holiday, people going to vote drunk is considered a little bit of a problem.

doesnt sound like something i would say. which voters are you referring to?

Maybe it wasn't you. I just remember talk about how in Australia since it's a holiday so that people can vote, a lot of people (as would probably happen here to if it were a holiday too) get a little festive. I don't think it's actually seen as a problem per se, but it was raising the question of people going to vote under the influence.

catefrances

SatansFuton wrote:

catefrances wrote:

SatansFuton wrote:

I read somewhere, I'm pretty sure on here (you may have brought it up cate) that since it's a holiday, people going to vote drunk is considered a little bit of a problem.

doesnt sound like something i would say. which voters are you referring to?

Maybe it wasn't you. I just remember talk about how in Australia since it's a holiday so that people can vote, a lot of people (as would probably happen here to if it were a holiday too) get a little festive. I don't think it's actually seen as a problem per se, but it was raising the question of people going to vote under the influence.

you got some bad info. we dont have a special holiday so we can vote. our elections take place on saturdays. and thats at all levels.. local, state and federal.

SatansFuton

catefrances wrote:

you got some bad info. we dont have a special holiday so we can vote. our elections take place on saturdays. and thats at all levels.. local, state and federal.

Maybe I'm thinking of another country. I could have sworn it was Australia though. Maybe it was just the fact it's on the weekend or something. I'm pretty sure it had to do with a holiday though, so I'm thinking maybe I just have the country wrong.

catefrances

SatansFuton wrote:

catefrances wrote:

you got some bad info. we dont have a special holiday so we can vote. our elections take place on saturdays. and thats at all levels.. local, state and federal.

Maybe I'm thinking of another country. I could have sworn it was Australia though. Maybe it was just the fact it's on the weekend or something. I'm pretty sure it had to do with a holiday though, so I'm thinking maybe I just have the country wrong.

im thinking you do too. but dont feel bad i used to think we were really good at winter sports when i was little... then i discovered austria.

aerial

At the White House website, a report in the Examiner explains, there was posted a petition seeking a recount of the race. “In one county alone in Ohio, which was a battleground state, President Obama received 106,258 votes … but there were only 98,213 eligible voters. It’s not humanly possible to get 108 percent of the vote,” the petition claims.


THE BIG LIST OF VOTE FRAUD REPORTS
108% of voting population endorses Obama

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vote-fraud-reports/

hedonist

catefrances wrote:

im thinking you do too. but dont feel bad i used to think we were really good at winter sports when i was little... then i discovered austria.

Question - with voting there being mandatory, what's the penalty for not doing so? And how is it tracked?

gimmesometruth27

even if romney won ohio he still would have lost the election.

in an electoral landslide.

aerial wrote:

At the White House website, a report in the Examiner explains, there was posted a petition seeking a recount of the race. “In one county alone in Ohio, which was a battleground state, President Obama received 106,258 votes … but there were only 98,213 eligible voters. It’s not humanly possible to get 108 percent of the vote,” the petition claims.


THE BIG LIST OF VOTE FRAUD REPORTS
108% of voting population endorses Obama

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vote-fraud-reports/

catefrances

hedonist wrote:

catefrances wrote:

im thinking you do too. but dont feel bad i used to think we were really good at winter sports when i was little... then i discovered austria.

Question - with voting there being mandatory, what's the penalty for not doing so? And how is it tracked?

you get fined for not voting. when you rock up at the polling station you get your name marked off the voter registration roll, then they match that with your known address and voila! if your name isnt marked off as having voted, youre busted! not sure what happens if youve not registered to vote.. tho i suspect theyll get you via birth records cross matched with drivers licences. seems like a pain in the arse to me tbh.

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

At the White House website, a report in the Examiner explains,

The Examiner?

THE BIG LIST OF VOTE FRAUD REPORTS
108% of voting population endorses Obama

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vote-fraud-reports/

Ah yes... "World News Daily."

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