Romney Blames Loss on Obama’s ‘Gifts’

JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
edited November 2012 in A Moving Train
Romney Blames Loss on Obama’s ‘Gifts’

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... gifts.html

In a conference call Wednesday, Mitt Romney blamed his loss in the presidential election on “gifts and initiatives” President Obama gave to young, African-American, and Hispanic voters. He said Obama followed the “old playbook” of catering to specific demographics. He added that for young people, forgiveness of college loan interest was “a big gift,” as was free contraceptives. He said free health care “was a big plus” for Hispanics and African-Americans voters, too. Louisiana Governor and rumored 2016 GOP presidential hopeful Bobby Jindal slammed Romney's excuses Wednesday, saying "that is absolutely wrong...we have got to stop dividing American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent."

Louisiana Governor has it right.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,183
    Thank god this man is not headed to the White House.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I'm pretty sure we all saw what our President did that collected votes
    long before the election.
    Was it the only motivation, I don't think so.
    Was it goodwill and positive moves helping some people, yes.

    I understand the message here and believe Romney is correct.
    Those moves got votes to reelect the President
    though he had not done a great job in the first four.
    What I don't agree with is the insinuation they were done only to get votes.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    couldn't be that his message was simply rejected by the majority of americans.

    nope, couldn't be that at all...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Who? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,183
    Romney was a terrible candidate whose campaign was all but over in the days before the first debate. He had a great showing in that debate and that translated into a bump and brief wave of enthusiasm from supporters. But when that fizzled out, the right-wing media machine continued to push the fictional narrative that Romney was not only closing on Obama but pulling ahead, that he was about to sweep the swing states and boot the president right out of Washington. (Dick Morris has actually admitted this.)

    None of it was true, and Romney lost for the same reasons his campaign staggered for so long. He was a terrible candidate with an ever-changing menu of opinions positions.

    Perhaps Obama can give Romney a mirror?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    why can't romney just publicly admit that he ran a shitty campaign? he had a terrible running mate, and he doubled down on erroneus facts and he changed positions on every single issue multiple times.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    In the big scheme of things I feel it was a close race...

    Popular Vote 2012 - Results Breakdown: Education, Turnout and Demographics

    The election is over, but the results and returns aren't finalized just yet. However, we can still glean a great deal about the makeup of this electorate.
    Before the official tally can be recorded, each state must finish counting outstanding absentee and provisional ballots, many of which come from overseas.
    While the outcome isn't in dispute in any state, plenty of precincts, from small, rural towns to large cities, have yet to officially certify their vote totals.

    But exit poll data sheds some light on the makeup of this year's voters and their choices.
    In total, about 122 million people voted in this year's election.
    Barack Obama won about 50.5 percent of their votes, or just under 61 million. Mitt Romney won about 48 percent of the vote, just under 58 million, but Obama's margin could grow to more than 3 percent once all the votes are in.
    Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson won a little over a million votes nationwide, or just under 1 percent, while Green Party candidate Jill Stein garnered less than half a million, taking about a third of a percent of the vote.
    While Obama only had about a 2.5 percent margin of victory in the popular vote, he won the Electoral College 332 to 206, counting Florida's 29 votes, which aren't yet official, but make no difference to the end result either way.
    That's nearly 62 percent of the Electoral College, a landslide by any measure.
    As in 2008, Obama won the women's vote by a large margin, taking 55 percent of female votes. But Obama lost the men's vote, receiving only 45 percent of votes cast by men, unlike in 2008, when he also carried the male vote.
    Romney did very well among white voters, with nearly 60 percent voting for him, but recent demographic shifts meant that wasn't enough for him to win. Obama carried minorities by a huge margin.
    Over 93 percent of African-Americans voted for Obama this year, as well as 73 percent of Asian-Americans and 71 percent of Latinos.
    Latinos voters in particular were a problem for Romney, and the Republicans, as their share of the electorate continues to grow, and they were crucial in winning important swing states for Obama, like Nevada, Colorado and Florida, and are the main reason New Mexico is now a solidly Democratic state.
    Older voters went for Romney, and the younger the voter, the more likely they were to vote for Obama. Voters 40 and over favored Romney, and those 39 and under favored Obama.
    Contrary to Republican predictions, turnout among young voters was actually slightly higher this year than in 2008, as was African-American turnout.
    Turnout in every swing state except Ohio, Pennsylvania and New Hampshire was up, though it was down nearly 10 percent in the rest of the country.
    New York and New Jersey also saw declines of around 15 percent due to Hurricane Sandy and its aftermath.
    In an interesting result, level of education seemed to make little difference in a particular voter's preference. Obama led Romney by only 2 points among college graduates, 50 percent to 48 percent, almost exactly the result in the general population.
    And Obama only did 1 point better among voters who don't have a college degree.
    In fact, the more education a voter had, the more likely they were to vote for Romney, to a point, though the gap never increased beyond 4 points. However, among voters with the highest levels of education, those with schooling beyond the undergraduate level, support for Obama jumps to 55 percent, and drops to 42 percent for Romney, a 13-point gap not seen where else along that spectrum.

    Read more at http://www.latinospost.com/articles/690 ... k8etp3w.99
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Rich White Guy's are funny when they lose
  • JimmyV wrote:
    Thank god this man is not headed to the White House.
    kudos to Americans that didnt choose him as their leader..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    He spent the last month of his campaign running away from his 47% comment and started gaining ground. Now that there in no election, we are seeing some of the real Mitt Romney. Out of touch.

    Thank you American voters for not falling for his bullshit.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,183
    dignin wrote:
    He spent the last month of his campaign running away from his 47% comment and started gaining ground. Now that there in no election, we are seeing some of the real Mitt Romney. Out of touch.

    Kinda hard to disagree with this.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,104
    RW81233 wrote:
    Rich White Guy's are funny when they lose

    When are they going to learn to take responsibility for their decisions? Their sense of entitlement is destroying our country! :lol:
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    this was not a close race. electoral vote difference >100, obama had at least 2.5 million more popular votes. it was not close at all. it was an ass kicking.

    romney embarrassed the gop. or the gop embarrassed itself with the candidates it chose to field.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,410
    Mr. Romney is certainly a sore loser. :geek:
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,517
    I wonder if a more moderate Republican who ran in the primaries could have won the election?
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    this was not a close race. electoral vote difference >100, obama had at least 2.5 million more popular votes. it was not close at all. it was an ass kicking.

    romney embarrassed the gop. or the gop embarrassed itself with the candidates it chose to field.

    Yeah, I think anyone who thought it was close is in slight denial.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    question for the americans among us..

    is election day a public holiday, or do they expect you all to work and somehow fit voting into your schedule?
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    question for the americans among us..

    is election day a public holiday, or do they expect you all to work and somehow fit voting into your schedule?

    Ya think in a country where working harder, faster, longer is the corporate way of life, they're going to make election day an actual holiday? :lol:
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,183
    question for the americans among us..

    is election day a public holiday, or do they expect you all to work and somehow fit voting into your schedule?

    I kinda think if it was a holiday some Americans would be even less likely to vote. Road trip! Day off!
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    wel thats just inconsiderate as far as i can see. youre expected to work and somehow stand in line for yonks. thats bullshit right there. least we have our elections on saturdays. explains why its not compulsory to vote and why the turnout isnt higher.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I wish the so-called winners and losers would act with just a bit of grace, and class...goes for the candidates as well as those who support/oppose them.

    No pouting, no gloating. How's shit supposed to move on, otherwise?

    As to the voting/public holiday thing, I've never waited more than a few minutes to vote (though now I do the absentee ballot) - this may be particular to Los Angeles, I'm not sure. But all of the companies I've worked for have allowed some extra paid time to hit the polls.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    explains why its not compulsory to vote and why the turnout isnt higher.
    Cate, do you think voting should be mandatory?

    Pondering this, the Rush lyric from Free Will comes to mind - "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    hedonist wrote:
    explains why its not compulsory to vote and why the turnout isnt higher.
    Cate, do you think voting should be mandatory?

    Pondering this, the Rush lyric from Free Will comes to mind - "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".

    voting is compulsory here in oz. tho once this wizard floated in in a balloon and we let him stay..anyways... i think voter turnout here would be considerably lower if it werent compulsory. australians arent as invested in their politics as americans appear to be. thats not to say we dont care tis just we didnt have to fight for our freedoms the way americans had to. our independence as it is was handed to us, before discussions on democratic suffrage were going on in europe so we tend not to se voting as an important part in being a full citizen in a democracy. the fact that we are australians is enough. we tend to see voting as a chore. its a rare to meet anyone who actually belongs to a political party cause its seen pretty much as a waste of time. political values flow from the experience of the people and that of their ancestors and what they see as the role of politics and government.
    so to your question as to whether i think voting should be mandatory, it depends on the country. id like to think it could be non compulsory here in oz but voter turnout would drop. our population isnt all that big so it could turn into a case where we have a minority party in power...oh wait.. we have that now.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I could be wrong, but it seems that Florida has extreme lines for voting and it's not like this anywhere else. But I don't know, the swing states probably do have more of a wait time. No lines here where I am.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    voting is compulsory here in oz. tho once this wizard floated in in a balloon and we let him stay..anyways... i think voter turnout here would be considerably lower if it werent compulsory. australians arent as invested in their politics as americans appear to be. thats not to say we dont care tis just we didnt have to fight for our freedoms the way americans had to. our independence as it is was handed to us, before discussions on democratic suffrage were going on in europe so we tend not to se voting as an important part in being a full citizen in a democracy. the fact that we are australians is enough. we tend to see voting as a chore. its a rare to meet anyone who actually belongs to a political party cause its seen pretty much as a waste of time. political values flow from the experience of the people and that of their ancestors and what they see as the role of politics and government.
    so to your question as to whether i think voting should be mandatory, it depends on the country. id like to think it could be non compulsory here in oz but voter turnout would drop. our population isnt all that big so it could turn into a case where we have a minority party in power...oh wait.. we have that now.
    Ah, thanks for the explanation. Interesting how this is viewed and lived with from another culture's perspective.

    I think there are some here who also view voting as a chore, yet as a duty as well - the good kind, if that makes sense.
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    I read somewhere, I'm pretty sure on here (you may have brought it up cate) that since it's a holiday, people going to vote drunk is considered a little bit of a problem.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited November 2012
    hedonist wrote:
    Ah, thanks for the explanation. Interesting how this is viewed and lived with from another culture's perspective.

    I think there are some here who also view voting as a chore, yet as a duty as well - the good kind, if that makes sense.

    i guess if you feel disenfranchised from the system you will view voting as something to be endured. its not like the politicians make it attractive with all the bullshit that comes out of their mouths and the collective inaction by those who were thought to be different from the last guy. i would love for someone to stand up and say what they want to, not what theyre gonna do and admit that theres a good chance their intentions will be thwarted by those who dont share the vision. dont make promises(in any guise) that you know cant be kept.. cause it shits us no end when you get into power and then say oh well we cant do that because blah blah blah.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    I read somewhere, I'm pretty sure on here (you may have brought it up cate) that since it's a holiday, people going to vote drunk is considered a little bit of a problem.

    doesnt sound like something i would say. which voters are you referring to?
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,950
    Jeanwah wrote:
    this was not a close race. electoral vote difference >100, obama had at least 2.5 million more popular votes. it was not close at all. it was an ass kicking.

    romney embarrassed the gop. or the gop embarrassed itself with the candidates it chose to field.

    Yeah, I think anyone who thought it was close is in slight denial.

    It wasn't close from an electoral perspective, but last I checked Romney had 48.6% of the vote and Obama had 51.4% of the vote. Only a 2.8% difference. Sure 3.5 million more votes is a lot, but Romney still almost had 50% of the vote, so half the country is still against Obama's policies. But yeah, Obama won.
  • SatansFutonSatansFuton Posts: 5,399
    Jeanwah wrote:
    this was not a close race. electoral vote difference >100, obama had at least 2.5 million more popular votes. it was not close at all. it was an ass kicking.

    romney embarrassed the gop. or the gop embarrassed itself with the candidates it chose to field.

    Yeah, I think anyone who thought it was close is in slight denial.

    It wasn't close from an electoral perspective, but last I checked Romney had 48.6% of the vote and Obama had 51.4% of the vote. Only a 2.8% difference. Sure 3.5 million more votes is a lot, but Romney still almost had 50% of the vote, so half the country is still against Obama's policies. But yeah, Obama won.

    True, but I'd say "half the country is still against Obama", as opposed to policies. I'm sure some, or many are, but plenty of people on both sides voted without policy in mind. I know many people who hate Obama who really have no clue what his policies are.
    "See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
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