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I am so glad I didn't go to the Montana show.
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I would be sick if I knew even a penny of my money went towards Jon Tester. http://www.hcn.org/blogs/range/sportsme ... jon-tester
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you would pay a tix to see the band...
from there isnt your money anymore..its their money and they can give them where ever they want
as for tester..dont vote for him
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I mean, aren't they all gay cowboys there?
There are a lot of problems in this country, and because someone takes wolves off of the endangered species list, that doesn't mean they are evil. You have to compromise.
Sad ... but Pearl Jam or any other musicians or celebrities, like so many other people just see a letter (R) or (D) and vote for the letter beside the persons name ... unfortunately that seems to be the way it is these days.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
You know, I hear tednugent.com is a rockin place.
Do you realize that in many places wolves are hunted as trophy ... many hunters like to hide behind the same old sustainability or their nuisance ... which is pure bullshit.
I am not against hunting ... if its to feed one's self ... as for trophy hunting, thats disgusting ... and donating money to someone who supports this (even though they usually try to hide behind the same old there a nuisance line) may need to give their head a shake.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
yeah so go visit it then ... :fp: :fp: :fp: you may not like it but many people may have different views than the band.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
You obviously weren't at the show then, cause it fucking rocked.
Hahaha, I love this answer!!!
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
“It’s a national disgrace that eagles, condors, loons and other wildlife are needlessly killed every year because of toxic lead that’s left in the wild,” said Bill Snape, senior counsel at the Center for Biological Diversity. “Senator Tester’s bill would ensure that these killings continue even though it’s been shown that these wildlife deaths can be prevented with little to no impact on America’s hunters and anglers.”
Up to 20 million birds die each year from lead poisoning after consuming spent lead shot and bullet fragments left in the wild from hunting. In the United States, 3,000 tons of lead are shot into the environment each year, while another 80,000 tons are released at shooting ranges.
Earlier this year, the Center and more than 100 groups from 35 states petitioned the EPA to regulate toxic lead ammunition to protect public health and prevent the widespread poisoning of wildlife. The petition was filed by groups representing conservationists, birders, hunters, zoologists, scientists, American Indians, wildlife rehabilitators and veterinarians. The bill before the Senate would keep the EPA from taking action on lead ammunition and fishing tackle.
“Senator Tester’s bill is meant to appeal to sportsmen, but there’s nothing sporting about using lead ammunition that unintentionally kills so many other animals,” Snape said. “The EPA can finally put an end to this national tragedy, but not if Congress gets in the way.”
Spent lead from hunting and fishing tackle is a widespread killer of bald and golden eagles, trumpeter swans, endangered California condors and more than 75 other species. Nearly 500 scientific papers have documented the dangers to wildlife from lead exposure.
There are many commercially available alternatives to lead rifle bullets, shotgun pellets, fishing weights and lures. More than a dozen manufacturers market hundreds of varieties and calibers of nonlead bullets and shot made of steel, copper and alloys of other metals, with satisfactory to superior ballistics. Nonlead bullets and fishing tackle are readily available in all 50 states. Hunters and anglers in states and areas that have lead restrictions or have already banned lead have made successful transitions to hunting with nontoxic bullets and fishing with nontoxic tackle.
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news ... -2012.html
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada is asking members to address a new sportsmen's bill put forward by incumbent Jon Tester (D-Mont.). The suggestion to address Tester's bill came on the last day of the Senate session before elections and sparked controversy between the two parties. Some Senate Republicans referred to Tester's "polar bear bill" as an election tactic, dismissing it.
The Associated Press reports that Tester's bill came in reaction to 2008 ban on polar bear trophies. The AP said a group of hunters, including two from Montana, were barred from importing "trophy" kills across the border from Canada after the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service listed the bears as a "threatened species" while the hunters were in the field.
Tester claims his bill would serve only a few hunters, allowing them to bring trophies held in cold storage back to the United States. But Michael Markarian, chief program and policy officer for The Humane Society of the United States, disagreed, saying, "The cumulative impacts of incentivizing this killing over and over again are contrary to American conservation law."
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/t ... -us-senate
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
However if you don't, you're disgusting.
The problem is that these animals are protected by the endangered species act which Tester has no regard for whatsoever.
Would you have a problem with me killing and eating that delicious looking canine pictured in your avi?
Absolutely, for food first and foremost. I do think that hanging a dead carcass on your wall does reveal something strange about a person. No argument on that.
I know that a case can be made about overpopulation of certain species but I am not nearly knowledge enough on that to offer an informed opinion.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I hear you. In the case of these wolves were they legitimately endangered? I don't really know the background in this case.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
If we were a society that commonly ate dog I don't think many of us would have dogs as pets. I don't think comparing my domesticated dog to any wild animal is a fair comparison.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
There's a lot of info here if you're interested.
http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com/tag/jon-tester/
is an aspect to hunting, even trophy, that should be considered.
Though we never really know another's motive we can only listen to the
why of what they do and decide the sincerity.
We can also try to understand though we know it is not something we condone
or could do ourselves.
Laws to protect endangered animals should be enforced
and more created as needed.
Just as with pro lifers, we are grateful to those protecting life.
We must also know it is a hunters right to kill for whatever reason
as long as laws are obeyed.
Montana is wild, unique, breathtaking. The people who live there respect
their land and their wildlife. Because someone hunts does not mean they do not respect,
quite the contrary.
http://news.yahoo.com/senate-considers- ... 09853.html
WASHINGTON (AP) — On its last day in session before the election, the Senate tied itself in knots over 41 polar bear carcasses that hunters want to bring home from Canada as big game trophies.
After punting tough decisions on far weightier issues like raising taxes and cutting spending, Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., insisted that the Senate address the wide-ranging sportsmen's bill before voting on must-pass legislation to prevent the government from shutting down at the end of next week.
Republicans resisted for a while Friday, contending the only reason Reid wanted the vote now on the bill long sought by hunters and sport fishermen was to benefit Democratic incumbent Jon Tester 's re-election prospects in a tossup race in Montana that could determine which party runs the Senate next year.
"This isn't a campaign studio, It's the Senate," Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., complained on the Senate floor Friday. "We've got responsibilities to meet. Let's meet them. And leave the politics out of it for once."
The House had passed a similar bill in April that was co-sponsored by Rep. Denny Rehberg, Tester's Republican opponent in the Montana Senate race. In the end, Tester would get only a test vote as the Senate, yet again, punted another issue until after the election.
Tester's bill combines 19 measures favorable to outdoorsmen. In addition to dealing with the polar bear hides, it would allow more hunting and fishing on federal lands, let bow hunters cross federal land where hunting isn't allowed, encourage federal land agencies to cooperate with state and local authorities to maintain shooting ranges, exclude ammunition and tackle from federal environmental laws that regulate lead, boost fish populations and protect animal habitat.
Tester suggested that Friday's compromise allowing for a test vote but delaying a final one exemplifies why Congress has such a poor approval rating from voters.
"That might take some of the politics out of it and if we ever made a decision here without politics it would be an earth shattering day," Tester said. "This bill right here is a prime example of what is wrong in Washington, D.C. — it's being held up for no reason whatsoever."
The polar bear provision would allow the 41 hunters —including two in Montana — who killed polar bears in Canada just before a 2008 ban on polar bear trophy imports took effect to bring the bears' bodies across the border. The hunters involved were not able to bring the trophies home before the Fish and Wildlife Services listed them as a threatened species.
Tester said it would just allow a few people who have polar bear trophies stored in Canada to finally bring them home. "These polar bears are dead, they are in cold storage and we know exactly who they are," he said.
Michael Markarian of The Humane Society of the United States criticized the measure. "The cumulative impacts of incentivizing this killing over and over again are contrary to American conservation law," he said.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
After all....
Bus driving's harder on your head than on your feet
Cook 'em just to see the look on their face! :twisted:
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Some things we assign greater weight to, some things we choose to overlook; we almost have to simply rationalize shit for our own purposes and happiness - and that's not always a negative. It's just life.
I think it was Drifting who said on another thread something to the effect that he'd be broke and starving if he based his buying/living choices on where every person and company stood on various issues (I'm sure I decimated that, but you get the drift).
Heartbreaking stuff. Honestly surprised to see both of my Senators (Brown and Kerry) voted for it.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
We get it you are gay, does everything you talk about have to have that common denominator. Oh yeah I am not a homophobic, I have plenty of friends who are gay, they just do not bring it up in every conversation we have.
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08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
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http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/jon_tester.htm
So it doesn't bother you that Tester wasted the Senates last session before the election so douchebags like this can hang the head of an endangered animal over their fireplace?