to be honest, i know how the missing conservative posters on here feel. i felt it in 2004 and if i were them i would stay away for awhile too. when your side loses that big it is a little disheartening and the last thing you want to do is go back to a place like this to face any razzing or criticism.
let's cut those people some slack because i am sure that they are feeling all kinds of emotions, rejection, anger, frustration, sadness, mabe even depression. i don't like to kick people when they are down and not here to defend themselves. just my thoughts at the moment...
although Im not one to deal it out because I dont want to be on the other end... a few people here have it coming. I stay out of this forum for the most part, but the slew of baiting and trolling from a few posters here was pretty over the top and irritating. This has been going on for a year or more.
The culprits had to expect a trebuchet of shit coming their way if 'their guy' lost. I really dont feel sorry.
Someone had to ask where are you guys today , you know who you are :wave:
They're Tired today, they stayed up the latest.
Actually, when Boehner made his not so veiled shot at Obama at like 9:30, it was clear it was over (there was no reason to comment no raising of taxes if he thought Romney even had a chance).
It will be interesting to see if Obama TRULY tries to work with the House or continues to use Reid to make it his way or no way. The blame game obviously worked, so why would anyone expect him to change for the better of the country? Here's hoping the 2 week scare after the first debate woke him up to the realities of being a GOOD leader for the benefit of the country and not just fall back on his inherrent arrogance and the wagging/pointing of his finger.
It's pretty early to start saying it's been Obama who won't compromise, don't you think? If anything, look to Mitch McConnell and his attempt to claim the "center/moderate" last night. Sorry Mitch...the election just showed you aren't the center any more.
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to be honest, i know how the missing conservative posters on here feel. i felt it in 2004 and if i were them i would stay away for awhile too. when your side loses that big it is a little disheartening and the last thing you want to do is go back to a place like this to face any razzing or criticism.
let's cut those people some slack because i am sure that they are feeling all kinds of emotions, rejection, anger, frustration, sadness, mabe even depression. i don't like to kick people when they are down and not here to defend themselves. just my thoughts at the moment...
although Im not one to deal it out because I dont want to be on the other end... a few people here have it coming. I stay out of this forum for the most part, but the slew of baiting and trolling from a few posters here was pretty over the top and irritating. This has been going on for a year or more.
The culprits had to expect a trebuchet of shit coming their way if 'their guy' lost. I really dont feel sorry.
yeah you are right. it has been well over a year. then again, the incessent trashing of obama has been going on the last 5 years. i see your point.
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to be honest, i know how the missing conservative posters on here feel. i felt it in 2004 and if i were them i would stay away for awhile too. when your side loses that big it is a little disheartening and the last thing you want to do is go back to a place like this to face any razzing or criticism.
let's cut those people some slack because i am sure that they are feeling all kinds of emotions, rejection, anger, frustration, sadness, mabe even depression. i don't like to kick people when they are down and not here to defend themselves. just my thoughts at the moment...
I agree with this, but at the same time, it's tough for me to feel compassion for anyone who was BEGGING...fucking begging to be called out (in the event that Obama won). There was that guy with all the exclamation points, there were full threads proclaiming Romney the winner, it was pretty awful on here for a few weeks.
I'm all about compromise and working together and not trash-talking, but for exactly the reason some posters are conspicuously absent today. When you put yourself out there by trash-talking, you are a huge target when things don't go your way.
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do you think that if the conservatives moved more to the middle what would happen to the people on the far right? do you think they would create their own party? and if they do have their own party, would that split the vote between the center-right and the far right and therefore create a center-left government all the time?
do you think that if the conservatives moved more to the middle what would happen to the people on the far right? do you think they would create their own party? and if they do have their own party, would that split the vote between the center-right and the far right and therefore create a center-left government all the time?
i don't see the far right moving to the center. the center right would appeal to a much broader base than the far right leadership in the gop. the gop allowed itself to be overrun by extremists and they are paying for it. i think the gop has an identity crisis and they are torn between too many factions, ie tea party, jesus party, neo-cons...all of those mix like oil and water and the infighting seen today is evidence of that. the fingerpointing and blame and monday morning quarterbacking is going to be what people remember most about the gop this election cycle. that and rove losing his shit on national tv...
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Someone had to ask where are you guys today , you know who you are :wave:
They're Tired today, they stayed up the latest.
Actually, when Boehner made his not so veiled shot at Obama at like 9:30, it was clear it was over (there was no reason to comment no raising of taxes if he thought Romney even had a chance).
It will be interesting to see if Obama TRULY tries to work with the House or continues to use Reid to make it his way or no way. The blame game obviously worked, so why would anyone expect him to change for the better of the country? Here's hoping the 2 week scare after the first debate woke him up to the realities of being a GOOD leader for the benefit of the country and not just fall back on his inherrent arrogance and the wagging/pointing of his finger.
Well, I believe you are wrong if you are trying to say Romney is a conservative.
You can expect 4 more years of the latter with no results, an economy that will continue to limp along, with increased spending and increased deficit. And come on, do you really think Obama is going to try and reach across the aisle and work with the House? Really? What has he done in the past 4 years that would suggest he would?
I hate to say it, but I think America has changed and we are no longer a country of self empowerment and fulfillment and have turned into a country based more on entitlement, gross government spending, and people, who quite frankly, like "stuff" given to them. Unfortunately, I believe that is a fact and this election proved it.
In my opinion, this country is about as divided as it can get and we will be in gridlock and it will be difficult to get anything accomplished for the next four years. I hope with all my being that I am wrong.
This is coming from a socially liberal, fiscal and economic conservative. Here's to hoping the next four years are better than the last four years. But, I thought we were given that "Hope" in 2008?
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The United States is a far more complicated and resilient organism than we give it credit for. Whatever’s ahead we’ll tackle, and it won’t matter much who’s president. Obama has had some great moment, he's earned another four year, but his shortcomings are also of epic proportions when it comes to being presidential.
I think we're going to see a pretty good stream of "now the tell us" reporting as well: there's a Pulitzer waiting on Benghazi, Obamacare is not going to be pretty, the economy is not going to be pretty, the debt crisis never really went away...
As for being a Libertarian now, it's kinda exciting -- I'm pretty much upset no matter how elections turn out!
But yes, as I've read here and other places all morning -- this nation is tragically, mind-numbingly divided and nothing looks to be on the horizon to overcome that.
I hope you guys got this one right, because if you didn;t it's gonna suck until 2016.
What's gonna suck? Does your well-being depend on who happens to be President of your country? :?
And as for getting anything right, what would have been right about electing a shifty used-car salesman whose main ambition was to grease the palms of the mega-rich, provoke another Palestinian intifada, and drag America into a war with Iran?
On a serious note... Consevatives need to re-group.
The first thing they need to do... dump the Christian Coalition as their base. It is not a slam on Christians... it is seperating themselves with those Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell-esque fanatics that want to blow up the Temple Dome so Jesus can come back... the ones that want to bring the world back to the way it was when they were 9 years old... the ones that spawn the likes of Michelle Bachmanns, Rick Santorums, Todd Akins, Richard Mourdocks... the lunatic fringe elements lost the Republicans the middle ground.
Come back to core Conservative principles of doing what is best for the country... not doing what is best for the Republican Party. The core belief of responsibility and accountability, reality and sensability... like, if you want to build a big defense on tax payer dollars... you NEED to raise taxpayer dollars.
Right now... to get the nod during the Primaries... you HAVE to say crazy shit... to get crazy people to nominate you. Then, you have to convince us moderates that you aren't really crazy and don't believe that crazy shit you just said. That is WHY Michelle Bachmann.. was a front runner in the Republican primaries!!! And Herman Cain!!! HERMAN CAIN WAS A FRONT-RUNNER!!! That is insanity.
That is what the Republicans need to do... dump the crazy shit birther types and regain their sanity.
You can not legislate the love of God. Why are Christians accountable for others that believe in God.....yet Obama has never been held accountable for the company he keeps....William Ayers (Weather Underground - US Terrorist) Bernadine Dohrn (Weather Underground - US Terroist) Tony Rezko (Chicago Politics - convicted felon) Valerie Jarret (MOs boss, then BOs campaign team) Saul Alinsky (Barack's early idol/mentor for ideals) just to name a few.....
Christians do not mind being taxed we just don't want to finance failing businesses and other wasteful spending...
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They lost it with their strategy of doing anything and everything they could to work against the president. They did all they could to stop any progress, tank the economy and fan the flames of hate and intolerance. And it came to nothing. It not only came to nothing... they were sent a loud, shreiking message that came off more like Veruca Salt throwing a tantrum.
And now... we enjoy the spoils of that.
This was the last chance Republicans had to espouse the old-school stances of the party... racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, plutocratic, classist and uncaring about the working class.
Look for Mitch McConnell to be politely shown the door and the term "Tea Party" to be removed from the Fox "news" vocabulary.
Look for the Republican Party to leave their mean-spirited social wedge issues behind... Marriage Equality no longer a lighting rod, abortion is also a no-go. Demonizing immigrants and minorities? Before long white Christians will be a minority. And they know that.
Look for John Boehner to drop his pointless and expensive fight for DOMA. Look for Planned Parenthood to not have to worry about staying open.
And Look for the Koch Brothers to retreat back into the Darkness. They wasted hundreds of millions of dollars. Of their own money and the money of their friends. And they have a LOT of explaining to do.
DON'T look for Karl Rove. He's pissed off a LOT of people that don't like to be pissed off. He's wasted a lot of their money. And they're going to be quite upset with him.
Don't look for Sarah Palin. She'll still try to grab your attention, but few will pay attention to her.
And finally... Don't look for Mitt Romney. I think he's under the impression that he can now enter the lucrative speaking engagement market. But conservative knives have already started to come out. Ann Coulter has already started her "I told you so" and Laura Ingraham has already said something like "next time we need a real conservative."
And therefore... don't look for Laura Ingraham much more, either... she's decided to stay on that sinking ship of fools with the Trumps and the Noonans and the Gingrichs. And it's going down with her on it.
Good.
Is it only White Christians that you hate?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
You can not legislate the love of God. Why are Christians accountable for others that believe in God.....yet Obama has never been held accountable for the company he keeps....William Ayers (Weather Underground - US Terrorist) Bernadine Dohrn (Weather Underground - US Terroist) Tony Rezko (Chicago Politics - convicted felon) Valerie Jarret (MOs boss, then BOs campaign team) Saul Alinsky (Barack's early idol/mentor for ideals) just to name a few.....
Christians do not mind being taxed we just don't want to finance failing businesses and other wasteful spending...
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Which is why I stated... the Christian Coalition (i.e. the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell types) has nothing to do with Christianity.
The Republican Party has decided to use that as their base. It's the same 18% of people that disappoved of the killing of Bin Laden. The Approval rating in the U.S. for killing Bin Laden should have been 100%, because who is going to disapprove of Navy Seals killing Bin laden?
The base that will never approve of anything a Democrat does... that's who.
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It sort of makes sense. You have an automatic 18%... even if you run Satan Hitler(R) for President. He will get 18% of the vote. All you need to do is convince 32%+1 of the remaining voter population. It is a lot easier to convince 32% than 50% that your guy is the right guy. So, from that standpoint, the numbers look good.
The thing is... inside the numbers... that 18% that apparently want Bin Laden still out there... those are the birther nut cases that turn normal people away.
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I'm not the kind of guy who is going to throw mud at those who feel let down by the election- results- that's a hard pill to swallow- but I'm also not going to apologize for feeling very upbeat and hopeful today. Not blind hope- I'm no fool. I know there's more to what makes this country tick than just one person in one office, but I also believe we are much better off now than if it had gone the other way.
We have a lot of work ahead of us to fix this leaky ship- our country, our world. Let's get to it.
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I hope you guys got this one right, because if you didn;t it's gonna suck until 2016.
What's gonna suck? Does your well-being depend on who happens to be President of your country? :?
And as for getting anything right, what would have been right about electing a shifty used-car salesman whose main ambition was to grease the palms of the mega-rich, provoke another Palestinian intifada, and drag America into a war with Iran?
Do you ever talk to people in real life? I was just making a lighthearted comment.
And yes, I lost a job in this presidents economy, I just got really lucky in finding a soft landing.
And yes, I lost a job in this presidents economy, I just got really lucky in finding a soft landing.
I think it's more accurate to say that you lost your job as a result of the previous president's horrible policies and that things are only just now starting to turn around since it takes a long time to get out of a hole that deep.
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I think Prince might have a point here, Cincy, the job losses and degrading economy started well more than four years ago but economics and job statistics are general concepts and your job loss is specific and personal and for you that sucks and I'm glad that you landed Ok and hope the new job is working for you.
You know guys, we can "hate" (figuratively) each other yet pull for each other at the same time. That's something some of you have proven that to me here.
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I think Prince might have a point here, Cincy, the job losses and degrading economy started well more than four years ago but economics and job statistics are general concepts and your job loss is specific and personal and for you that sucks and I'm glad that you landed Ok and hope the new job is working for you.
You know guys, we can "hate" (figuratively) each other yet pull for each other at the same time. That's something some of you have proven that to me here.
But Brian...
This point is obvious. I said it a while back: blaming Obama for the current reality is like blaming the driver directly in front of you for traffic delays.
I am still so stunned that the obvious root of the problem is lost upon so many people. It's kind of scary that type of mentality can exist to such a high degree.
I think Prince might have a point here, Cincy, the job losses and degrading economy started well more than four years ago but economics and job statistics are general concepts and your job loss is specific and personal and for you that sucks and I'm glad that you landed Ok and hope the new job is working for you.
You know guys, we can "hate" (figuratively) each other yet pull for each other at the same time. That's something some of you have proven that to me here.
Yet you guys have no idea about my situation, etc. Pretty sure I know better what happened to me. Just saying.
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I think Prince might have a point here, Cincy, the job losses and degrading economy started well more than four years ago but economics and job statistics are general concepts and your job loss is specific and personal and for you that sucks and I'm glad that you landed Ok and hope the new job is working for you.
You know guys, we can "hate" (figuratively) each other yet pull for each other at the same time. That's something some of you have proven that to me here.
But Brian...
This point is obvious. I said it a while back: blaming Obama for the current reality is like blaming the driver directly in front of you for traffic delays.
I am still so stunned that the obvious root of the problem is lost upon so many people. It's kind of scary that type of mentality can exist to such a high degree.
No, I get that, Thirty. Blaming Obama for the current economic reality makes none or little sense. He didn't create the situation but also hasn't done enough to improve it so far. Nor has he done enough to make headway on climate change. These are thing I'm hoping we'll see more progress on in the coming years, but no, he did not create them.
My post had more to do with being empathetic with a fellow 10 Club member who had to find another job and being glad that that happened. I never indicated it was any presidents fault that happened.
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I think Prince might have a point here, Cincy, the job losses and degrading economy started well more than four years ago but economics and job statistics are general concepts and your job loss is specific and personal and for you that sucks and I'm glad that you landed Ok and hope the new job is working for you.
You know guys, we can "hate" (figuratively) each other yet pull for each other at the same time. That's something some of you have proven that to me here.
But Brian...
This point is obvious. I said it a while back: blaming Obama for the current reality is like blaming the driver directly in front of you for traffic delays.
I am still so stunned that the obvious root of the problem is lost upon so many people. It's kind of scary that type of mentality can exist to such a high degree.
No, I get that, Thirty. Blaming Obama for the current economic reality makes none or little sense. He didn't create the situation but also hasn't done enough to improve it so far. Nor has he done enough to make headway on climate change. These are thing I'm hoping we'll see more progress on in the coming years, but no, he did not create them.
My post had more to do with being empathetic with a fellow 10 Club member who had to find another job and being glad that that happened. I never indicated it was any presidents fault that happened.
Got it. And the fellow member's individual position was not lost on me either. Of course, I too feel for anyone who has faced tough times in any country this past decade.
I think it is fair to suggest that at a minimum... Obama deserved another term given what he had to work with. His success should be measured with what he did with nearly a decade to improve the mess he inherited. Four years has simply not been enough for any man or collection of policies to 'correct' the massive shitshow that played out during the previous regime.
This point is obvious. I said it a while back: blaming Obama for the current reality is like blaming the driver directly in front of you for traffic delays.
I am still so stunned that the obvious root of the problem is lost upon so many people. It's kind of scary that type of mentality can exist to such a high degree.
No, I get that, Thirty. Blaming Obama for the current economic reality makes none or little sense. He didn't create the situation but also hasn't done enough to improve it so far. Nor has he done enough to make headway on climate change. These are thing I'm hoping we'll see more progress on in the coming years, but no, he did not create them.
My post had more to do with being empathetic with a fellow 10 Club member who had to find another job and being glad that that happened. I never indicated it was any presidents fault that happened.
Got it. And the fellow member's individual position was not lost on me either. Of course, I too feel for anyone who has faced tough times in any country this past decade.
I think it is fair to suggest that at a minimum... Obama deserved another term given what he had to work with. His success should be measured with what he did with nearly a decade to improve the mess he inherited. Four years has simply not been enough for any man or collection of policies to 'correct' the massive shitshow that played out during the previous regime.
The root cause of the crash was the housing market that was artificially propogated by the Clinton policy that everyone should own a house even if they can't afford it (including threats to the banks if they didn't adhere - which they happily went along with no doubt).
Bush is not as bad as you guys make him out to be, but so be it. I'm not saying he helped the situation - he obviously didn't. But, the economy didn't explode until the housing market imploded which sent the banks scrambling. That's a Clinton policy that Bush simply didn't heed.
The difference is - Obama was well aware of (or should have been) as to what the problem was and fixed it by now (as the crash happened in Bush's last 18 months). Instead he pushed forward with the Unaffordable Care Act that doesn't do what folks here pretend it does (b/c I believe you are smarter than that) and wasted 2 years trying to fix the economy b/c those same folks have let him skate on the blame game.
Though, truth be told from what I see he is a perfect reflection of our current population. If a child gets in trouble at school, it's the school's fault and not little Johnny's. The blame game, unfortunately is where this country is at. Very reminiscent of David Dinkin's NYC.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I think Prince might have a point here, Cincy, the job losses and degrading economy started well more than four years ago but economics and job statistics are general concepts and your job loss is specific and personal and for you that sucks and I'm glad that you landed Ok and hope the new job is working for you.
You know guys, we can "hate" (figuratively) each other yet pull for each other at the same time. That's something some of you have proven that to me here.
Yet you guys have no idea about my situation, etc. Pretty sure I know better what happened to me. Just saying.
I would also add that I wouldn;t have voted for any congressional incumbent...well, I guess I don;t knwo them all, but my stance would be to vote against everyone unless proven through research otherwise. And for the race I was able to vote in, I didn;t vote for a single incumbent. So, not just the president, but he is part.
No. You don't get to play the poor wounded bird here.
Seventy-eight percent of white evangelical Christians voted for Romney. We now have those numbers. The critical mistake that the Republicans made was thinking that the country hadn't changed. And it has.
Their campaign and party are something out of the 1950s when White Christians ruled everything and the rest of us felt lucky we were allowed to just live as long as we stayed at the back of the bus or hid from them.
But now we're part of America and all around you. And the Republican's reaction wasn't to embrace us or even just allow us to live, they reacted with fear. They went on attack.
They saw us threatening their place atop the heap and they responded with "papers please" laws to attack the Latino community.
Or Proposition 8, DOMA and DADT to attack the gay community.
Voter ID laws to disenfranchise the black and hispanic communities.
Or gerrymandering our neighborhoods in half to nullify our votes.
Or countless other attacks on us.
And when we finally elected a black president, instead of sitting quietly while he delivered his State of the Union address, one of those terrified, threatened old white Christians actually heckled the president and yelled "You Lie" at him.
That's an act of disrespect that hasn't been seen before. And you know how the majority of White Christians reacted? They sent his campaign over a million dollars the next week.
You think it's just a coincidence that it was almost exclusively Latino and Black districts that had the 8-hour waiting times in Florida? Because it's not. Their white Christian corrupt governor wasn't even trying to hide his efforts to stop minorities from voting. And the exact same thing happened in Pennsylvania and again... they didn't even try to hide it. Proudly said those voter ID laws were to give the state to Romney.
So when I say that White Christians are just going to have to learn to accept that the majority of the country is no longer White Christians... that's just a fact. And you're not allowed to get upset that I called them out.
Yet you guys have no idea about my situation, etc. Pretty sure I know better what happened to me. Just saying.
When you say you lost your job thanks to the President's economy, what exactly do you mean?
I was over simplifying. Obviously lots of factors. The economy being the reason. In reality it is a very complex situation that I can't really go into. My bottom line was that I wasn't voting for any incumbent and the president was one of those.
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although Im not one to deal it out because I dont want to be on the other end... a few people here have it coming. I stay out of this forum for the most part, but the slew of baiting and trolling from a few posters here was pretty over the top and irritating. This has been going on for a year or more.
The culprits had to expect a trebuchet of shit coming their way if 'their guy' lost. I really dont feel sorry.
It's pretty early to start saying it's been Obama who won't compromise, don't you think? If anything, look to Mitch McConnell and his attempt to claim the "center/moderate" last night. Sorry Mitch...the election just showed you aren't the center any more.
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I agree with this, but at the same time, it's tough for me to feel compassion for anyone who was BEGGING...fucking begging to be called out (in the event that Obama won). There was that guy with all the exclamation points, there were full threads proclaiming Romney the winner, it was pretty awful on here for a few weeks.
I'm all about compromise and working together and not trash-talking, but for exactly the reason some posters are conspicuously absent today. When you put yourself out there by trash-talking, you are a huge target when things don't go your way.
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do you think that if the conservatives moved more to the middle what would happen to the people on the far right? do you think they would create their own party? and if they do have their own party, would that split the vote between the center-right and the far right and therefore create a center-left government all the time?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Well, I believe you are wrong if you are trying to say Romney is a conservative.
You can expect 4 more years of the latter with no results, an economy that will continue to limp along, with increased spending and increased deficit. And come on, do you really think Obama is going to try and reach across the aisle and work with the House? Really? What has he done in the past 4 years that would suggest he would?
I hate to say it, but I think America has changed and we are no longer a country of self empowerment and fulfillment and have turned into a country based more on entitlement, gross government spending, and people, who quite frankly, like "stuff" given to them. Unfortunately, I believe that is a fact and this election proved it.
In my opinion, this country is about as divided as it can get and we will be in gridlock and it will be difficult to get anything accomplished for the next four years. I hope with all my being that I am wrong.
This is coming from a socially liberal, fiscal and economic conservative. Here's to hoping the next four years are better than the last four years. But, I thought we were given that "Hope" in 2008?
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I think we're going to see a pretty good stream of "now the tell us" reporting as well: there's a Pulitzer waiting on Benghazi, Obamacare is not going to be pretty, the economy is not going to be pretty, the debt crisis never really went away...
As for being a Libertarian now, it's kinda exciting -- I'm pretty much upset no matter how elections turn out!
But yes, as I've read here and other places all morning -- this nation is tragically, mind-numbingly divided and nothing looks to be on the horizon to overcome that.
What's gonna suck? Does your well-being depend on who happens to be President of your country? :?
And as for getting anything right, what would have been right about electing a shifty used-car salesman whose main ambition was to grease the palms of the mega-rich, provoke another Palestinian intifada, and drag America into a war with Iran?
A special Pearl Jam dedication just for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIixVZ1y2zo
HOOT!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Guess what? I was at that show! WOW that brought up a beautiful memory! Thanks!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA-ajvoGx8Y
And I already promised DS two beagle puppies
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
You can not legislate the love of God. Why are Christians accountable for others that believe in God.....yet Obama has never been held accountable for the company he keeps....William Ayers (Weather Underground - US Terrorist) Bernadine Dohrn (Weather Underground - US Terroist) Tony Rezko (Chicago Politics - convicted felon) Valerie Jarret (MOs boss, then BOs campaign team) Saul Alinsky (Barack's early idol/mentor for ideals) just to name a few.....
Christians do not mind being taxed we just don't want to finance failing businesses and other wasteful spending...
Is it only White Christians that you hate?
Which is why I stated... the Christian Coalition (i.e. the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell types) has nothing to do with Christianity.
The Republican Party has decided to use that as their base. It's the same 18% of people that disappoved of the killing of Bin Laden. The Approval rating in the U.S. for killing Bin Laden should have been 100%, because who is going to disapprove of Navy Seals killing Bin laden?
The base that will never approve of anything a Democrat does... that's who.
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It sort of makes sense. You have an automatic 18%... even if you run Satan Hitler(R) for President. He will get 18% of the vote. All you need to do is convince 32%+1 of the remaining voter population. It is a lot easier to convince 32% than 50% that your guy is the right guy. So, from that standpoint, the numbers look good.
The thing is... inside the numbers... that 18% that apparently want Bin Laden still out there... those are the birther nut cases that turn normal people away.
Hail, Hail!!!
We have a lot of work ahead of us to fix this leaky ship- our country, our world. Let's get to it.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Do you ever talk to people in real life? I was just making a lighthearted comment.
And yes, I lost a job in this presidents economy, I just got really lucky in finding a soft landing.
No, never. I have no life outside of this message board.
Oh, I must have missed that, due to the fact that I have no sense of humour.
Alright, I will apologize for my response. I'll try again.
Just making a lighthearted comment to those that are happy with the election results. And it could be a lot worse.
I think it's more accurate to say that you lost your job as a result of the previous president's horrible policies and that things are only just now starting to turn around since it takes a long time to get out of a hole that deep.
You know guys, we can "hate" (figuratively) each other yet pull for each other at the same time. That's something some of you have proven that to me here.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
But Brian...
This point is obvious. I said it a while back: blaming Obama for the current reality is like blaming the driver directly in front of you for traffic delays.
I am still so stunned that the obvious root of the problem is lost upon so many people. It's kind of scary that type of mentality can exist to such a high degree.
Yet you guys have no idea about my situation, etc. Pretty sure I know better what happened to me. Just saying.
No, I get that, Thirty. Blaming Obama for the current economic reality makes none or little sense. He didn't create the situation but also hasn't done enough to improve it so far. Nor has he done enough to make headway on climate change. These are thing I'm hoping we'll see more progress on in the coming years, but no, he did not create them.
My post had more to do with being empathetic with a fellow 10 Club member who had to find another job and being glad that that happened. I never indicated it was any presidents fault that happened.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Got it. And the fellow member's individual position was not lost on me either. Of course, I too feel for anyone who has faced tough times in any country this past decade.
I think it is fair to suggest that at a minimum... Obama deserved another term given what he had to work with. His success should be measured with what he did with nearly a decade to improve the mess he inherited. Four years has simply not been enough for any man or collection of policies to 'correct' the massive shitshow that played out during the previous regime.
The root cause of the crash was the housing market that was artificially propogated by the Clinton policy that everyone should own a house even if they can't afford it (including threats to the banks if they didn't adhere - which they happily went along with no doubt).
Bush is not as bad as you guys make him out to be, but so be it. I'm not saying he helped the situation - he obviously didn't. But, the economy didn't explode until the housing market imploded which sent the banks scrambling. That's a Clinton policy that Bush simply didn't heed.
The difference is - Obama was well aware of (or should have been) as to what the problem was and fixed it by now (as the crash happened in Bush's last 18 months). Instead he pushed forward with the Unaffordable Care Act that doesn't do what folks here pretend it does (b/c I believe you are smarter than that) and wasted 2 years trying to fix the economy b/c those same folks have let him skate on the blame game.
Though, truth be told from what I see he is a perfect reflection of our current population. If a child gets in trouble at school, it's the school's fault and not little Johnny's. The blame game, unfortunately is where this country is at. Very reminiscent of David Dinkin's NYC.
I would also add that I wouldn;t have voted for any congressional incumbent...well, I guess I don;t knwo them all, but my stance would be to vote against everyone unless proven through research otherwise. And for the race I was able to vote in, I didn;t vote for a single incumbent. So, not just the president, but he is part.
When you say you lost your job thanks to the President's economy, what exactly do you mean?
No. You don't get to play the poor wounded bird here.
Seventy-eight percent of white evangelical Christians voted for Romney. We now have those numbers. The critical mistake that the Republicans made was thinking that the country hadn't changed. And it has.
Their campaign and party are something out of the 1950s when White Christians ruled everything and the rest of us felt lucky we were allowed to just live as long as we stayed at the back of the bus or hid from them.
But now we're part of America and all around you. And the Republican's reaction wasn't to embrace us or even just allow us to live, they reacted with fear. They went on attack.
They saw us threatening their place atop the heap and they responded with "papers please" laws to attack the Latino community.
Or Proposition 8, DOMA and DADT to attack the gay community.
Voter ID laws to disenfranchise the black and hispanic communities.
Or gerrymandering our neighborhoods in half to nullify our votes.
Or countless other attacks on us.
And when we finally elected a black president, instead of sitting quietly while he delivered his State of the Union address, one of those terrified, threatened old white Christians actually heckled the president and yelled "You Lie" at him.
That's an act of disrespect that hasn't been seen before. And you know how the majority of White Christians reacted? They sent his campaign over a million dollars the next week.
You think it's just a coincidence that it was almost exclusively Latino and Black districts that had the 8-hour waiting times in Florida? Because it's not. Their white Christian corrupt governor wasn't even trying to hide his efforts to stop minorities from voting. And the exact same thing happened in Pennsylvania and again... they didn't even try to hide it. Proudly said those voter ID laws were to give the state to Romney.
So when I say that White Christians are just going to have to learn to accept that the majority of the country is no longer White Christians... that's just a fact. And you're not allowed to get upset that I called them out.
I was over simplifying. Obviously lots of factors. The economy being the reason. In reality it is a very complex situation that I can't really go into. My bottom line was that I wasn't voting for any incumbent and the president was one of those.