A thread made with an agenda, revealed early, ignored moderators who are biased. And the AMT beat keeps on drumming along.
Wait... you're in the political forum on the website of a band with major political views... and on election day... you're upset that someone didn't close a thread with "an agenda?"
Dude... honestly... you're being a sore loser.
Ah, maybe.
Though, I'm not sure anyone was actually going to win. But with more of the same, I know for sure that we lost.
A thread made with an agenda, revealed early, ignored moderators who are biased. And the AMT beat keeps on drumming along.
Wait... you're in the political forum on the website of a band with major political views... and on election day... you're upset that someone didn't close a thread with "an agenda?"
Dude... honestly... you're being a sore loser.
Ah, maybe.
Though, I'm not sure anyone was actually going to win. But with more of the same, I know for sure that we lost.
whats even sadder is that had romney been elected, the major policies in washington would be pretty much exactly the same. We would have gotten more of the same no matter what.
I think our comment font size should be based on how true the statement was.
do people honestly feel something would have been different with Romney in Office. The same gridlock, the same divisive political atmosphere. The same name calling and mud slinging...what would have been different? seems to me the only thing that would have been different is the person who was pushing the same buttons. dangerously aggressive foreign policy, too much spending, etc etc etc.
America, you lost either way, you get nothing...but a devalued dollar and a whole lot of bills
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A thread made with an agenda, revealed early, ignored moderators who are biased. And the AMT beat keeps on drumming along.
Wait... you're in the political forum on the website of a band with major political views... and on election day... you're upset that someone didn't close a thread with "an agenda?"
Dude... honestly... you're being a sore loser.
Hey, and you know what, their are some really good things about Obama being elected....gay marriage, health insurance can't omit pre-existing conditions, everyone will have to pay for their health insurance...so there is that.
By the way, imagine if Mitt won and all the "WOOT" threads you'd have to read...they are both stupid. It's not a game, not team vs team. But most people play it that way. It gets old. I'm glad the election is over, hopefully we can retire woot and the pom-poms.
I listened and I read and though liked and disliked both candidates
I knew the two parties are just bogus. A bad machine long over used.
I am surprised more do not see this.
It's those glasses I swear. And maybe the need to rival :?
this rivalry seems to be getting worse. The ever popular blame game.
We need to require more of each other and ourselves.
This my first time to be a third party supporter, proud my children
and their friends were as well. It's gonna take time and diligence but what choice do we have?
Real change must come in the form of competition, real choices
and real freedom from government rule.
I was watching CBC news this morning and they had a "wackiest moments of election night" and they were talking about Fox news calling out their own news desk or something, but then my tv signal got lost, and when it came back they had already shown the video and talking about how it seemed staged.
anyone know what I'm talking about, and if so, what was it?
the tagline on the screen was "Fox News chases own tale" (and yes, tale is spelled correctly there)
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Obviously, I'm glad Obama won. His speech last night was incredible. But we still have a lot of huge problems to face- environmental, economic, social. And one other very big problem- a huge division within our country. If that shows rather glaringly at times here and the fan site of a liberal band, think what it must be nationwide. It's time to see that we all have the same basic needs and desires and focus on working together to make changes for a better world for everyone and for every living thing. The election is over. Lets get to work.
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In the back of my mind I knew that Obama would win, because there is no way the majority of this country would allow a person like Romney, who was all for looking backwards on SO many issues, to win.
It's a big sigh of relief that the hard-core Right is not in charge. Now we have to see if Congress will grow up and actually start working together. Because this is not all about the scapegoat front and center, it is about Congress!
Gotta read the entire thread still, but my thoughts last night - before it was called - was that whomever won...
PLEASE DO NOT FUCK THIS UP.
you mean PLEASE DO NOT FUCK IT UP MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS
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Defeat has shattered the US right's impenetrable front on tax and healthcare. The party's pragmatists are finding their voice
Gary Younge
The Guardian, Sunday 2 December 2012
Dick Morris's twitter feed on election night was a thing to behold. The day before the presidential election Morris, a rightwing pollster, analyst and Bill Clinton adviser, told Fox News: "Romney will win by a very large margin. A landslide, if you will... I think he'll get 325 electoral votes." (Romney lost with 206.) A week earlier he said his "personal hunch" was the Republicans would take the Senate with 53 seats. (They lost, with only 45.)
When the results came he was kind enough to share his transition from hubris to humiliation in real time.
He started the night confidently:
So far I see nothing to disabuse me of the notion that Romney will win by a lot. Nothing to confirm it either
I bet that they will eat their words on Pennsylvania on both senate and president
Pennsylvania went for Obama. Morris remained unbowed.
But there is still Ohio and Wisconsin (and Minnesota)
All went to Obama.
Virginia looks good up by 4 with 3/4 counted
That too went to Obama.
Watch Colorado. If we win [Florida] and Ohio and Va it will come down to Colorado
They lost them all.
Desperation kicked in. At 10.45 he wrote:
Don't give up!
Then nothing. Within half an hour the networks called it for Obama.
"If you beat your head against the wall," the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci once wrote, "it is your head that breaks, not the wall."
On election night Morris's head exploded, leaving shards of baseless braggadocio scattered across cyberspace. Reality will do that, sooner or later. For Republicans it has been later. For some time now they have been bingeing on everything from climate change denial to creationism. But in the last four years they outdid themselves with birtherism and death panels, insisting Obama was a Kenyan imposter imposing European values. Believing they were entitled to their own facts, they started to believe their own spin. Morris was merely the most bullish illustration of a broader derangement. The rot went all the way to the top. On election night Romney had $25,000-worth of fireworks all ready to launch on the Boston Harbor and a transition team of 200 waiting in the wings.
Finally it appears defeat has sobered some of them up, forcing a rift between those willing to engage with the world as it is and others who prefer dystopian visions, woven from whole cloth. Over the past few years Republicans presented a united, impenetrable front guided by the latter. Now the party's pragmatists, who laid low for fear of Tea Party retribution, seem to be slowly finding their voice.
The best example is Obamacare. The new law decrees that by 14 December states should have laid out their plans to set up a local health exchange. If they don't the federal government will impose one. In many states Republican leaders dragged their feet in the hope of a Romney victory. Now open battles have broken out among conservatives about how to proceed. In Mississippi, the Republican insurance commissioner and governor have each sent a letter to Obama's health and human services secretary: one applying for an exchange, the other expressing opposition to it. "We should not give in to the Obama administration on this," the governor reportedly told the commissioner. "You cannot trust them." The commissioner is going ahead anyway.
Similar tensions, though less pronounced, are emerging over immigration. Respected Republicans are working with Democrats on a bill while others are trying to use the courts to block Obama's recent executive order to normalise the status of young Latinos. They strongly oppose anything that smacks of comprehensive reform. Five years ago John Boehner described George Bush's reform bill as "a piece of shit". Last month he said he was "confident he can find common ground" with Obama on the subject.
On the most pressing issue, the so-called fiscal cliff, there has even been some movement. Last week one senior Republican congressman came out in favour of Obama's tax deal. He was immediately shot down by the leadership. Four others have since followed.
These developments should not be exaggerated. It's a chink not a gash, creating a trickle not a flood. The motivation for breaking ranks owes more to strategy than ideology.
In Kansas, where the Republican governor and state commissioner are also at loggerheads over healthcare exchanges, the commissioner explained to Politico. "I think [refusing to set up the exchanges] is about politics. There's still a feeling with some conservative governors around the country that somehow not participating will cause this program to fail." This preference for failure and denial over engagement and negotiation was a hallmark of the Republicans' approach to Obama's first term. But saying no to everything isn't going to work in the same way now the nation's said yes to Obama.
In 2004 a Bush aide (widely believed to be Karl Rove) derided a journalist for working in the "reality-based community", poking fun at people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality". Like a cartoon character who can keep running off a cliff into mid-air as long as they don't look down, that approach was time limited. Now comes the fall. And as Dick Morris might tell you, the descent can be dizzying and the landing hard.
Reality is going to be about a $2,000 hit in the wallet for the average family come 1/1/13.
I hope everyone who voted for the campaign who's main theme was raising taxes is happy.
:fp:
what do you want?
do you want them to try to reduce the deficit or not?
as i have stated a thousand times, you can not get there with cuts alone.
what cuts? imaginary cuts that will somehow actually be implemented perhaps sometime in the next ten years? Ten years from now when no one associated with the plan will can be held accountable and the public will have forgotten?
Don't get me wrong, I thing the Republicans plan has just as much B.S., but at least they won't raise taxes. Voting to raise taxes without getting anything in return is insane.
Obama's plan wants to spend another $50B next year but the cuts take a decade. Do you really think their will be cuts?
In the meantime, we all (pending we have jobs) pay immediately in 27 days.
what cuts? imaginary cuts that will somehow actually be implemented perhaps sometime in the next ten years? Ten years from now when no one associated with the plan will can be held accountable and the public will have forgotten?
Don't get me wrong, I thing the Republicans plan has just as much B.S., but at least they won't raise taxes. Voting to raise taxes without getting anything in return is insane.
Obama's plan wants to spend another $50B next year but the cuts take a decade. Do you really think their will be cuts?
In the meantime, we all (pending we have jobs) pay immediately in 27 days.
the sequestration cuts. at least defense will be cut.
and i may be reading this wrong, but it sounds as if you would rather kick the can down the road. we are all in this together. either we get our finances in order or we are going to have another 4 years of republicans bitching about spending and deficits after failing to do anything about it.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the sequestration cuts. at least defense will be cut.
and i may be reading this wrong, but it sounds as if you would rather kick the can down the road. we are all in this together. either we get our finances in order or we are going to have another 4 years of republicans bitching about spending and deficits after failing to do anything about it.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
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E'ff it. We might as well get the implosion done and over with while I'm still relatively young. Maybe the economy will have recovered by the time I retire.
It may be worth $2K to watch all the politicians squirm as their past sins are unleashed on the economy.
Reality is going to be about a $2,000 hit in the wallet for the average family come 1/1/13.
I hope everyone who voted for the campaign who's main theme was raising taxes is happy.
:fp:
I'm very happy about this, thank you very much....
it's time to pay our bills...I guess that's a novel concept for some...
I have no problem with paying the bills.
But if I start a payment plan to slowly relieve myself of past debts while still buying exotic cars because I have my own credit card company, does that make sense?
Reality is going to be about a $2,000 hit in the wallet for the average family come 1/1/13.
I hope everyone who voted for the campaign who's main theme was raising taxes is happy.
:fp:
I'm very happy about this, thank you very much....
it's time to pay our bills...I guess that's a novel concept for some...
I have no problem with paying the bills.
But if I start a payment plan to slowly relieve myself of past debts while still buying exotic cars because I have my own credit card company, does that make sense?
It's kinda funny. People talking about needing to get more tax money to pay off the deficit...guess how we got the deficit? Guess who spent that $? Guess who you are fine and dandy giving more of that $ to?
I hope it works out and spending cuts come to, but I don;t trust them at all.
White House officials estimate that the average American family will pay $2,200 more in taxes next year if an agreement is not reached. But, if an agreement is not reached at all, even after the January 1 deadline, the increase could be higher, particularly for households that make over $100,000 a year.
This publication doesn't lean right ... which makes it all the more scary to (cough) 98% of us. :?
what cuts? imaginary cuts that will somehow actually be implemented perhaps sometime in the next ten years? Ten years from now when no one associated with the plan will can be held accountable and the public will have forgotten?
Don't get me wrong, I thing the Republicans plan has just as much B.S., but at least they won't raise taxes. Voting to raise taxes without getting anything in return is insane.
Obama's plan wants to spend another $50B next year but the cuts take a decade. Do you really think their will be cuts?
In the meantime, we all (pending we have jobs) pay immediately in 27 days.
the sequestration cuts. at least defense will be cut.
and i may be reading this wrong, but it sounds as if you would rather kick the can down the road. we are all in this together. either we get our finances in order or we are going to have another 4 years of republicans bitching about spending and deficits after failing to do anything about it.
True the sequestration cuts will be cuts but that will add to unemployment when all the defense contractors cut jobs as well as the fed cutting jobs too. So will that be better or worse?
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what cuts? imaginary cuts that will somehow actually be implemented perhaps sometime in the next ten years? Ten years from now when no one associated with the plan will can be held accountable and the public will have forgotten?
Don't get me wrong, I thing the Republicans plan has just as much B.S., but at least they won't raise taxes. Voting to raise taxes without getting anything in return is insane.
Obama's plan wants to spend another $50B next year but the cuts take a decade. Do you really think their will be cuts?
In the meantime, we all (pending we have jobs) pay immediately in 27 days.
the sequestration cuts. at least defense will be cut.
and i may be reading this wrong, but it sounds as if you would rather kick the can down the road. we are all in this together. either we get our finances in order or we are going to have another 4 years of republicans bitching about spending and deficits after failing to do anything about it.
True the sequestration cuts will be cuts but that will add to unemployment when all the defense contractors cut jobs as well as the fed cutting jobs too. So will that be better or worse?
Two questions:
1)Why is it called "defense" spending when what we do is attack other countries? and
2)Do we really need to be shelling out tons of money for people to make more bombs, etc. when surely there must be other more useful things for them to be doing?
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Ah, maybe.
Though, I'm not sure anyone was actually going to win. But with more of the same, I know for sure that we lost.
You would've LOST WAY MORE with Willard.
I think our comment font size should be based on how true the statement was.
do people honestly feel something would have been different with Romney in Office. The same gridlock, the same divisive political atmosphere. The same name calling and mud slinging...what would have been different? seems to me the only thing that would have been different is the person who was pushing the same buttons. dangerously aggressive foreign policy, too much spending, etc etc etc.
America, you lost either way, you get nothing...but a devalued dollar and a whole lot of bills
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Hey, and you know what, their are some really good things about Obama being elected....gay marriage, health insurance can't omit pre-existing conditions, everyone will have to pay for their health insurance...so there is that.
By the way, imagine if Mitt won and all the "WOOT" threads you'd have to read...they are both stupid.
I knew the two parties are just bogus. A bad machine long over used.
I am surprised more do not see this.
It's those glasses I swear. And maybe the need to rival :?
this rivalry seems to be getting worse. The ever popular blame game.
We need to require more of each other and ourselves.
This my first time to be a third party supporter, proud my children
and their friends were as well. It's gonna take time and diligence but what choice do we have?
Real change must come in the form of competition, real choices
and real freedom from government rule.
anyone know what I'm talking about, and if so, what was it?
the tagline on the screen was "Fox News chases own tale" (and yes, tale is spelled correctly there)
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PLEASE DO NOT FUCK THIS UP.
you mean PLEASE DO NOT FUCK IT UP MORE THAN IT ALREADY IS
It's a big sigh of relief that the hard-core Right is not in charge. Now we have to see if Congress will grow up and actually start working together. Because this is not all about the scapegoat front and center, it is about Congress!
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Republicans, welcome to the reality-based community
Defeat has shattered the US right's impenetrable front on tax and healthcare. The party's pragmatists are finding their voice
Gary Younge
The Guardian, Sunday 2 December 2012
Dick Morris's twitter feed on election night was a thing to behold. The day before the presidential election Morris, a rightwing pollster, analyst and Bill Clinton adviser, told Fox News: "Romney will win by a very large margin. A landslide, if you will... I think he'll get 325 electoral votes." (Romney lost with 206.) A week earlier he said his "personal hunch" was the Republicans would take the Senate with 53 seats. (They lost, with only 45.)
When the results came he was kind enough to share his transition from hubris to humiliation in real time.
He started the night confidently:
So far I see nothing to disabuse me of the notion that Romney will win by a lot. Nothing to confirm it either
I bet that they will eat their words on Pennsylvania on both senate and president
Pennsylvania went for Obama. Morris remained unbowed.
But there is still Ohio and Wisconsin (and Minnesota)
All went to Obama.
Virginia looks good up by 4 with 3/4 counted
That too went to Obama.
Watch Colorado. If we win [Florida] and Ohio and Va it will come down to Colorado
They lost them all.
Desperation kicked in. At 10.45 he wrote:
Don't give up!
Then nothing. Within half an hour the networks called it for Obama.
"If you beat your head against the wall," the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci once wrote, "it is your head that breaks, not the wall."
On election night Morris's head exploded, leaving shards of baseless braggadocio scattered across cyberspace. Reality will do that, sooner or later. For Republicans it has been later. For some time now they have been bingeing on everything from climate change denial to creationism. But in the last four years they outdid themselves with birtherism and death panels, insisting Obama was a Kenyan imposter imposing European values. Believing they were entitled to their own facts, they started to believe their own spin. Morris was merely the most bullish illustration of a broader derangement. The rot went all the way to the top. On election night Romney had $25,000-worth of fireworks all ready to launch on the Boston Harbor and a transition team of 200 waiting in the wings.
Finally it appears defeat has sobered some of them up, forcing a rift between those willing to engage with the world as it is and others who prefer dystopian visions, woven from whole cloth. Over the past few years Republicans presented a united, impenetrable front guided by the latter. Now the party's pragmatists, who laid low for fear of Tea Party retribution, seem to be slowly finding their voice.
The best example is Obamacare. The new law decrees that by 14 December states should have laid out their plans to set up a local health exchange. If they don't the federal government will impose one. In many states Republican leaders dragged their feet in the hope of a Romney victory. Now open battles have broken out among conservatives about how to proceed. In Mississippi, the Republican insurance commissioner and governor have each sent a letter to Obama's health and human services secretary: one applying for an exchange, the other expressing opposition to it. "We should not give in to the Obama administration on this," the governor reportedly told the commissioner. "You cannot trust them." The commissioner is going ahead anyway.
Similar tensions, though less pronounced, are emerging over immigration. Respected Republicans are working with Democrats on a bill while others are trying to use the courts to block Obama's recent executive order to normalise the status of young Latinos. They strongly oppose anything that smacks of comprehensive reform. Five years ago John Boehner described George Bush's reform bill as "a piece of shit". Last month he said he was "confident he can find common ground" with Obama on the subject.
On the most pressing issue, the so-called fiscal cliff, there has even been some movement. Last week one senior Republican congressman came out in favour of Obama's tax deal. He was immediately shot down by the leadership. Four others have since followed.
These developments should not be exaggerated. It's a chink not a gash, creating a trickle not a flood. The motivation for breaking ranks owes more to strategy than ideology.
In Kansas, where the Republican governor and state commissioner are also at loggerheads over healthcare exchanges, the commissioner explained to Politico. "I think [refusing to set up the exchanges] is about politics. There's still a feeling with some conservative governors around the country that somehow not participating will cause this program to fail." This preference for failure and denial over engagement and negotiation was a hallmark of the Republicans' approach to Obama's first term. But saying no to everything isn't going to work in the same way now the nation's said yes to Obama.
In 2004 a Bush aide (widely believed to be Karl Rove) derided a journalist for working in the "reality-based community", poking fun at people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality". Like a cartoon character who can keep running off a cliff into mid-air as long as they don't look down, that approach was time limited. Now comes the fall. And as Dick Morris might tell you, the descent can be dizzying and the landing hard.
I hope everyone who voted for the campaign who's main theme was raising taxes is happy.
:fp:
do you want them to try to reduce the deficit or not?
as i have stated a thousand times, you can not get there with cuts alone.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
:fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Don't get me wrong, I thing the Republicans plan has just as much B.S., but at least they won't raise taxes. Voting to raise taxes without getting anything in return is insane.
Obama's plan wants to spend another $50B next year but the cuts take a decade. Do you really think their will be cuts?
In the meantime, we all (pending we have jobs) pay immediately in 27 days.
I'm very happy about this, thank you very much....
it's time to pay our bills...I guess that's a novel concept for some...
and i may be reading this wrong, but it sounds as if you would rather kick the can down the road. we are all in this together. either we get our finances in order or we are going to have another 4 years of republicans bitching about spending and deficits after failing to do anything about it.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
edit:
E'ff it. We might as well get the implosion done and over with while I'm still relatively young. Maybe the economy will have recovered by the time I retire.
It may be worth $2K to watch all the politicians squirm as their past sins are unleashed on the economy.
LET IT BEGIN!!!
But if I start a payment plan to slowly relieve myself of past debts while still buying exotic cars because I have my own credit card company, does that make sense?
meh...tell me more about these exotic cars...
I hope it works out and spending cuts come to, but I don;t trust them at all.
Do you have a link for that? Not being a twat, I just have seen varying numbers.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/how-the-fiscal-cliff-would-raise-your-taxes/265756/
White House officials estimate that the average American family will pay $2,200 more in taxes next year if an agreement is not reached. But, if an agreement is not reached at all, even after the January 1 deadline, the increase could be higher, particularly for households that make over $100,000 a year.
This publication doesn't lean right ... which makes it all the more scary to (cough) 98% of us.
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I am tired; my heart is
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True the sequestration cuts will be cuts but that will add to unemployment when all the defense contractors cut jobs as well as the fed cutting jobs too. So will that be better or worse?
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Two questions:
1)Why is it called "defense" spending when what we do is attack other countries? and
2)Do we really need to be shelling out tons of money for people to make more bombs, etc. when surely there must be other more useful things for them to be doing?