Eddie Vedder's Half Truths

DS1119

Zoso wrote:

honestly, I don't see how you could be anything apart from a liberal and follow pearl jam.. I'm scratching my heard over it in fact.

So only people with liberal political views can have good taste in music?

Zoso

DS1119 wrote:

Zoso wrote:

honestly, I don't see how you could be anything apart from a liberal and follow pearl jam.. I'm scratching my heard over it in fact.

So only people with liberal political views can have good taste in music?

I'm saying that for me the bands politics and the love for their music goes hand in hand.. for me anyway I know it's different for a lot of people.

Blockhead

This was blatantly obvious back in 2009 during is solo tours as well.
Take a look at his Sniper/program from the 2009 solo tour regarding the West Memphis 3.
There are about 3 or 4 things written in there that have been disproven by the court/trial. But he put them in there anyway...
You can't continually preach about wanting truth, when you suppress it at your own concert/writings...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

Thank you for further reinforcing the point of my thread.

just reinforcing the fact that anyone calling someone out for this is a blatant hypocrite.

comebackgirl

DS1119 wrote:

Having just seen EV back to back he definitely has his own personal political agenda. He's an artist. I pay to see him. I realize I don't have to go and it's his forum to say what he wants. That's fine and that's great and I respect that and love people with varying political views. It's what makes this country so great. I will just ask for people to not follow blindly and do your own research and make your own decisions especially as voting day is upon us. Just because Eddie tells you to vote for proposition 37 in CA or says he would like to smush Micahel Brown's face in a pile of his own dog's shit (I thought that was in pretty poor taste actually) doesn't mean it's the best choice or ways to feel for yourself. Maybe it is...maybe it isn't...just do your own research.


Eddie has and does like to only tell half political truths. Seen it for years at the PJ shows and now his solo shows have turned into political rallies for the liberal Democrats. DO your own research and make up your own minds.

I probably couldn't be further apart from you politically...but I don't see anything wrong with what you've said here. Do your own research, make up your own mind, don't follow blindly. Sounds good to me. I don't necessarily think Eddie gives "half truths" though, more just his personal opinion on politics. Eddie's politics are part of what made me fall in love with PJ though...but that might not be the case for everyone. You probably didn't need to post this in more than one forum though

However I do take issue with your opinions on cats, DS :twisted:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

when I'm telling someone not to do drugs, do I tell them that they also make you feel wonderful?

when I'm telling someone that Romney would be a horrible president, do I tell them he's probably an excellent husband and father, and probably a really nice guy?

gimme a break dude. Ed's not a politician. He believes something is wrong, so he speaks about what's wrong about it. he thinks shit needs to be labelled because he believes the health issue trumps the possibility of costs rising because of it. it's pretty simple.

DS1119

Zoso wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Zoso wrote:

honestly, I don't see how you could be anything apart from a liberal and follow pearl jam.. I'm scratching my heard over it in fact.

So only people with liberal political views can have good taste in music?

I'm saying that for me the bands politics and the love for their music goes hand in hand.. for me anyway I know it's different for a lot of people.

And for me I separate that stuff. I truly don't care what anyone's political views are. When I go to a PJ concert or EV show I show the individuals proper respect and listen. Other than being kind to people...I usually tune out what Eddie says between songs...often laugh a bit...but it's his forum, opinion, and I respect it. It's just hard for me to sometimes separate his "reality" from actual reality...especially when he talks about people being tied up with their electronic devices and virtual worlds and I walk by his EV merchandise booth and he's selling iPad cover with his initials on them for 15 bucks.

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

when I'm telling someone not to do drugs, do I tell them that they also make you feel wonderful?

when I'm telling someone that Romney would be a horrible president, do I tell them he's probably an excellent husband and father, and probably a really nice guy?

gimme a break dude. Ed's not a politician. He believes something is wrong, so he speaks about what's wrong about it. he thinks shit needs to be labelled because he believes the health issue trumps the possibility of costs rising because of it. it's pretty simple.

He "believes" something is wrong. It's his beliefs. I'm sorry but there's health care practitioners, doctors, etc. on both sides of the fence. Eddie I'm quite sure doesn't know more about the issue than either of those parties. He has every right to express his beliefs as does everyone else does to do their own research. Again, the only point of y thread.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

..especially when he talks about people being tied up with their electronic devices and virtual worlds and I walk by his EV merchandise booth and he's selling iPad cover with his initials on them for 15 bucks.

I gotta agree with you there......it seems a bit "odd" to say the least.

comebackgirl

DS1119 wrote:

Zoso wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

So only people with liberal political views can have good taste in music?

I'm saying that for me the bands politics and the love for their music goes hand in hand.. for me anyway I know it's different for a lot of people.

And for me I separate that stuff. I truly don't care what anyone's political views are. When I go to a PJ concert or EV show I show the individuals proper respect and listen. Other than being kind to people...I usually tune out what Eddie says between songs...often laugh a bit...but it's his forum, opinion, and I respect it. It's just hard for me to sometimes separate his "reality" from actual reality...especially when he talks about people being tied up with their electronic devices and virtual worlds and I walk by his EV merchandise booth and he's selling iPad cover with his initials on them for 15 bucks.

Could you get me one of those iPad covers? Thanks

mookeywrench

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

when I'm telling someone not to do drugs, do I tell them that they also make you feel wonderful?

when I'm telling someone that Romney would be a horrible president, do I tell them he's probably an excellent husband and father, and probably a really nice guy?

gimme a break dude. Ed's not a politician. He believes something is wrong, so he speaks about what's wrong about it. he thinks shit needs to be labelled because he believes the health issue trumps the possibility of costs rising because of it. it's pretty simple.

But that's the point, it's not Eddie Vedder's job to spell everything out for the audience, which is why the audience should take the initiative to find out all sides of the issue and then make up their mind with where they stand.

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Thank you for further reinforcing the point of my thread.

just reinforcing the fact that anyone calling someone out for this is a blatant hypocrite.

What? :?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

when I'm telling someone not to do drugs, do I tell them that they also make you feel wonderful?

when I'm telling someone that Romney would be a horrible president, do I tell them he's probably an excellent husband and father, and probably a really nice guy?

gimme a break dude. Ed's not a politician. He believes something is wrong, so he speaks about what's wrong about it. he thinks shit needs to be labelled because he believes the health issue trumps the possibility of costs rising because of it. it's pretty simple.

He "believes" something is wrong. It's his beliefs. I'm sorry but there's health care practitioners, doctors, etc. on both sides of the fence. Eddie I'm quite sure doesn't know more about the issue than either of those parties. He has every right to express his beliefs as does everyone else does to do their own research. Again, the only point of y thread.

well if that was your only point why did you name the thread "eddie's half truths"? you are basically accusing someone of telling lies, when all he's doing is what anyone of us do on here every day, telling our opinion about something. there's always going to be someone more knowledgeable about every single subject than any given person, does that mean we should all shut our mouths?

you first.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

mookeywrench wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

when I'm telling someone not to do drugs, do I tell them that they also make you feel wonderful?

when I'm telling someone that Romney would be a horrible president, do I tell them he's probably an excellent husband and father, and probably a really nice guy?

gimme a break dude. Ed's not a politician. He believes something is wrong, so he speaks about what's wrong about it. he thinks shit needs to be labelled because he believes the health issue trumps the possibility of costs rising because of it. it's pretty simple.

But that's the point, it's not Eddie Vedder's job to spell everything out for the audience, which is why the audience should take the initiative to find out all sides of the issue and then make up their mind with where they stand.

it's any performers job to do and say whatever the hell they want at their show. it's their forum. if anything, regardless of the position he takes on it, just bringing this issue to the forefront will bring awareness to it, make people research it for themselves if it interests them, and when they do, they might not agree with him either. I can't understand why anyone would think this is a bad thing to do.

I didn't know about this until I read this thread. And I can't say I necessarily agree with Ed. If it actually does cost the farmers that much more and if it is actually a fairly redundant thing to do, then why bother?

Zoso

DS1119 wrote:

[quote="Zoso"

And for me I separate that stuff. I truly don't care what anyone's political views are. When I go to a PJ concert or EV show I show the individuals proper respect and listen. Other than being kind to people...I usually tune out what Eddie says between songs...often laugh a bit...but it's his forum, opinion, and I respect it. It's just hard for me to sometimes separate his "reality" from actual reality...especially when he talks about people being tied up with their electronic devices and virtual worlds and I walk by his EV merchandise booth and he's selling iPad cover with his initials on them for 15 bucks.

if you do actually separate your politics from music why is it important to post about eddie vedder and his politics?

DS1119

Zoso wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

[quote="Zoso"

And for me I separate that stuff. I truly don't care what anyone's political views are. When I go to a PJ concert or EV show I show the individuals proper respect and listen. Other than being kind to people...I usually tune out what Eddie says between songs...often laugh a bit...but it's his forum, opinion, and I respect it. It's just hard for me to sometimes separate his "reality" from actual reality...especially when he talks about people being tied up with their electronic devices and virtual worlds and I walk by his EV merchandise booth and he's selling iPad cover with his initials on them for 15 bucks.

if you do actually separate your politics from music why is it important to post about eddie vedder and his politics?

I didn't post about his politics. I posted about what he said only being one side of the story., His side. I didn't say he was wrong. I didn't say he was right. I didn't post my beliefs. I juts made a pont to tell people to do their own research and make up their own mind.

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

well if that was your only point why did you name the thread "eddie's half truths"? you are basically accusing someone of telling lies, when all he's doing is what anyone of us do on here every day, telling our opinion about something. there's always going to be someone more knowledgeable about every single subject than any given person, does that mean we should all shut our mouths?

you first.

Half truths are not lies. Thye are half truths.

lukin2006

Zoso wrote:

honestly, I don't see how you could be anything apart from a liberal and follow pearl jam.. I'm scratching my heard over it in fact.

Why? Maybe some people like the music and don't give a rats ass about politics.

But if you don't think PJ has their fair share of fans who also vote republican...think again.

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

it's any performers job to do and say whatever the hell they want at their show. it's their forum. if anything, regardless of the position he takes on it, just bringing this issue to the forefront will bring awareness to it, make people research it for themselves if it interests them, and when they do, they might not agree with him either. I can't understand why anyone would think this is a bad thing to do.

I didn't know about this until I read this thread. And I can't say I necessarily agree with Ed. If it actually does cost the farmers that much more and if it is actually a fairly redundant thing to do, then why bother?

This is just another side of the issue and I don't mean it in a condescending way to you or anyone else. If I remember correctly Eddie at the show Thursday night made it sound like it was just as simple and cut and dried of an issue of "putting lables on the food we eat". Sounds simple enough but it's not. The more research one does onto the issue it's not that simple.

Zoso

lukin2006 wrote:

Zoso wrote:

honestly, I don't see how you could be anything apart from a liberal and follow pearl jam.. I'm scratching my heard over it in fact.

Why? Maybe some people like the music and don't give a rats ass about politics.

But if you don't think PJ has their fair share of fans who also vote republican...think again.

it's just my opinion and I hold the politics with the music.. I understand it's different for a lot of others.