Eddie Vedder's Half Truths

DS1119

Having just seen EV back to back he definitely has his own personal political agenda. He's an artist. I pay to see him. I realize I don't have to go and it's his forum to say what he wants. That's fine and that's great and I respect that and love people with varying political views. It's what makes this country so great. I will just ask for people to not follow blindly and do your own research and make your own decisions especially as voting day is upon us. Just because Eddie tells you to vote for proposition 37 in CA or says he would like to smush Micahel Brown's face in a pile of his own dog's shit (I thought that was in pretty poor taste actually) doesn't mean it's the best choice or ways to feel for yourself. Maybe it is...maybe it isn't...just do your own research.


Eddie has and does like to only tell half political truths. Seen it for years at the PJ shows and now his solo shows have turned into political rallies for the liberal Democrats. DO your own research and make up your own minds.

lukin2006

over/under banned by 12 PM PST...

By the way...I agree, what your saying is true of most artist/musicians/celebrities...

DS1119

lukin2006 wrote:

By the way...I agree, what your saying is true of most artist/musicians/celebrities...

Not saying it isn't true with other celebrities.

Just pointing out for people to make their own choices. Just because Eddie in a nice little 5 minute snippet makes it sound like he has the entire political world figured out and how "stupid" some political characters are or what they do is "stupid" or "ignorant".... :roll:

StillHere

They may not be half truths as much as his own view of how it is to him....his opinion.

We all have one

whygohome

DS1119 wrote:

Having just seen EV back to back he definitely has his own personal political agenda. He's an artist. I pay to see him. I realize I don't have to go and it's his forum to say what he wants. That's fine and that's great and I respect that and love people with varying political views. It's what makes this country so great. I will just ask for people to not follow blindly and do your own research and make your own decisions especially as voting day is upon us. Just because Eddie tells you to vote for proposition 37 in CA or says he would like to smush Micahel Brown's face in a pile of his own dog's shit (I thought that was in pretty poor taste actually) doesn't mean it's the best choice or ways to feel for yourself. Maybe it is...maybe it isn't...just do your own research.


Eddie has and does like to only tell half political truths. Seen it for years at the PJ shows and now his solo shows have turned into political rallies for the liberal Democrats. DO your own research and make up your own minds.

So if we agree with Eddie, we are simple sheep? Do you honestly think that people choose to feel a certain way just because one of their favorite musicians feels that way? Are you superior intellectually because you disagree with Eddie?

"Do your own research and make up your own minds." What a holier than thou statement. What research do you do?

I really don't understand the point of this post. This post comes across as a little self-righteous. It seems like a passive, thinly-veiled insult to all those on the AMT who are liberals, or those who agree with Eddie, not because Eddie feels that way, but because people have done the research and have come to an informed decision.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

whygohome wrote:

So if we agree with Eddie, we are simple sheep? Do you honestly think that people choose to feel a certain way just because one of their favorite musicians feels that way? Are you superior intellectually because you disagree with Eddie?

"Do your own research and make up your own minds." What research do you do?

I really don't understand the point of this post. This post comes across as a little self-righteous. It seems like a passive, thinly-veiled insult to all those on the AMT who are liberals, or those who agree with Eddie, not because Eddie feels that way, but because people have done the research and have come to an informed decision.

all democrats are sheep to him, dontcha know?

it's a little insulting for someone to assume people vote the way a celebrity would tell us to, just because we happen to follow the same political persuasion. I mean, most people who come to the train in the first place are here to learn and also to help others learn and discuss current events.

he's just another guy. he just happens to write much better songs than I do.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

By the way...I agree, what your saying is true of most artist/musicians/celebrities...

Not saying it isn't true with other celebrities.

Just pointing out for people to make their own choices. Just because Eddie in a nice little 5 minute snippet makes it sound like he has the entire political world figured out and how "stupid" some political characters are or what they do is "stupid" or "ignorant".... :roll:

well you seem to think you have the entire political world figured out.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

Just because Eddie tells you to vote for proposition 37 in CA or says he would like to smush Micahel Brown's face in a pile of his own dog's shit (I thought that was in pretty poor taste actually)

yeah, but Clint telling a crowd of laughing republicans that an empty chair that was supposed to be Obama told Romney to go fuck himself was in good taste?

mforcier

I was at both Vegas shows and heard everything Eddie had to say and though I do agree with the idea that doing one's own research is vitally important I don't really understand the title of the post. I live in California and actively vote and have done much research on all the propositions and everything he said about prop 37 is accurate. He didn't say that genetically modified foods cause allergies (which they may do) or do unintended harm to other organisms (which they likely do) or that there is gene transferring occurring with non-target species (which may be occurring), he just told us which companies are against the proposition and the amount of money they have spent to defeat it (though his numbers were all over the place). He also argued that we should have the right to know if we are eating genetically modified foods and I cannot understand the argument against this - your post actually implores us to have more information available to make informed decisions!
In regards to Brownie, Eddie was accurate in saying that Brown criticized Obama for his Sandy response. There was no half truth there. I can understand finding his rant about shoving the man's face in dogshit to be immature and distasteful, but that had nothing to do with truths or half truths...
That being said, I thought that musically both shows were amazing and hope you agree. Loved hearing 'My City of Ruin' wednesday and 'Black' on Thursday (hope that woman paid up). Also thought the duets with Natalie were great.

DS1119

whygohome wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Having just seen EV back to back he definitely has his own personal political agenda. He's an artist. I pay to see him. I realize I don't have to go and it's his forum to say what he wants. That's fine and that's great and I respect that and love people with varying political views. It's what makes this country so great. I will just ask for people to not follow blindly and do your own research and make your own decisions especially as voting day is upon us. Just because Eddie tells you to vote for proposition 37 in CA or says he would like to smush Micahel Brown's face in a pile of his own dog's shit (I thought that was in pretty poor taste actually) doesn't mean it's the best choice or ways to feel for yourself. Maybe it is...maybe it isn't...just do your own research.


Eddie has and does like to only tell half political truths. Seen it for years at the PJ shows and now his solo shows have turned into political rallies for the liberal Democrats. DO your own research and make up your own minds.

So if we agree with Eddie, we are simple sheep? Do you honestly think that people choose to feel a certain way just because one of their favorite musicians feels that way? Are you superior intellectually because you disagree with Eddie?

"Do your own research and make up your own minds." What a holier than thou statement. What research do you do?

I really don't understand the point of this post. This post comes across as a little self-righteous. It seems like a passive, thinly-veiled insult to all those on the AMT who are liberals, or those who agree with Eddie, not because Eddie feels that way, but because people have done the research and have come to an informed decision.

I didn't say anything that you have posted. You did.

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

well you seem to think you have the entire political world figured out.

I didn't say that. You did.

whygohome

DS1119 wrote:

I didn't say anything that you have posted. You did.

The implications of your post are clear.

DS1119

whygohome wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I didn't say anything that you have posted. You did.

The implications of your post are clear.

I just asked for people to do their own research. If someone agrees with what he says..fine.

mookeywrench

whygohome wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I didn't say anything that you have posted. You did.

The implications of your post are clear.

Not to everyone.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ89rGPc

DS1119

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ89rGPc

I like the Romney commercial at the beginning o the video.

DS1119

mforcier wrote:

I was at both Vegas shows and heard everything Eddie had to say and though I do agree with the idea that doing one's own research is vitally important I don't really understand the title of the post. I live in California and actively vote and have done much research on all the propositions and everything he said about prop 37 is accurate. He didn't say that genetically modified foods cause allergies (which they may do) or do unintended harm to other organisms (which they likely do) or that there is gene transferring occurring with non-target species (which may be occurring), he just told us which companies are against the proposition and the amount of money they have spent to defeat it (though his numbers were all over the place). He also argued that we should have the right to know if we are eating genetically modified foods and I cannot understand the argument against this - your post actually implores us to have more information available to make informed decisions!

He also failed to point out all of the negatives of Prop 37 which are pointed out in this article just from today. Just saying....half truths.
There's two sides to everything. Eddie always fails to bring up the other side.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_p ... ition%2037

hedonist

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Just because Eddie tells you to vote for proposition 37 in CA or says he would like to smush Micahel Brown's face in a pile of his own dog's shit (I thought that was in pretty poor taste actually)

yeah, but Clint telling a crowd of laughing republicans that an empty chair that was supposed to be Obama told Romney to go fuck himself was in good taste?

We were talking about this, just this morning - the whole celebrity endorsement thing - who is anyone to think their vote or opinion is more valuable than mine, or yours? Famous, not, artistic, otherwise?

As much as I respect Clint, this view of 'no one on a higher plain' has to apply to him as well.

(it's really nice to live with someone who doesn't always see eye-to-eye with me)

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

mforcier wrote:

I was at both Vegas shows and heard everything Eddie had to say and though I do agree with the idea that doing one's own research is vitally important I don't really understand the title of the post. I live in California and actively vote and have done much research on all the propositions and everything he said about prop 37 is accurate. He didn't say that genetically modified foods cause allergies (which they may do) or do unintended harm to other organisms (which they likely do) or that there is gene transferring occurring with non-target species (which may be occurring), he just told us which companies are against the proposition and the amount of money they have spent to defeat it (though his numbers were all over the place). He also argued that we should have the right to know if we are eating genetically modified foods and I cannot understand the argument against this - your post actually implores us to have more information available to make informed decisions!

He also failed to point out all of the negatives of Prop 37 which are pointed out in this article just from today. Just saying....half truths.
There's two sides to everything. Eddie always fails to bring up the other side.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_p ... ition%2037

when anyone is passionate about something, political or otherwise, and are trying to convince others of it, how many actually give the cons?

ZERO

Zoso

honestly, I don't see how you could be anything apart from a liberal and follow pearl jam.. I'm scratching my heard over it in fact.

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

mforcier wrote:

I was at both Vegas shows and heard everything Eddie had to say and though I do agree with the idea that doing one's own research is vitally important I don't really understand the title of the post. I live in California and actively vote and have done much research on all the propositions and everything he said about prop 37 is accurate. He didn't say that genetically modified foods cause allergies (which they may do) or do unintended harm to other organisms (which they likely do) or that there is gene transferring occurring with non-target species (which may be occurring), he just told us which companies are against the proposition and the amount of money they have spent to defeat it (though his numbers were all over the place). He also argued that we should have the right to know if we are eating genetically modified foods and I cannot understand the argument against this - your post actually implores us to have more information available to make informed decisions!

He also failed to point out all of the negatives of Prop 37 which are pointed out in this article just from today. Just saying....half truths.
There's two sides to everything. Eddie always fails to bring up the other side.

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_p ... ition%2037

when anyone is passionate about something, political or otherwise, and are trying to convince others of it, how many actually give the cons?

ZERO

Thank you for further reinforcing the point of my thread.

DS1119

Zoso wrote:

honestly, I don't see how you could be anything apart from a liberal and follow pearl jam.. I'm scratching my heard over it in fact.

So only people with liberal political views can have good taste in music?

Zoso

DS1119 wrote:

Zoso wrote:

honestly, I don't see how you could be anything apart from a liberal and follow pearl jam.. I'm scratching my heard over it in fact.

So only people with liberal political views can have good taste in music?

I'm saying that for me the bands politics and the love for their music goes hand in hand.. for me anyway I know it's different for a lot of people.

Blockhead

This was blatantly obvious back in 2009 during is solo tours as well.
Take a look at his Sniper/program from the 2009 solo tour regarding the West Memphis 3.
There are about 3 or 4 things written in there that have been disproven by the court/trial. But he put them in there anyway...
You can't continually preach about wanting truth, when you suppress it at your own concert/writings...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

Thank you for further reinforcing the point of my thread.

just reinforcing the fact that anyone calling someone out for this is a blatant hypocrite.

comebackgirl

DS1119 wrote:

Having just seen EV back to back he definitely has his own personal political agenda. He's an artist. I pay to see him. I realize I don't have to go and it's his forum to say what he wants. That's fine and that's great and I respect that and love people with varying political views. It's what makes this country so great. I will just ask for people to not follow blindly and do your own research and make your own decisions especially as voting day is upon us. Just because Eddie tells you to vote for proposition 37 in CA or says he would like to smush Micahel Brown's face in a pile of his own dog's shit (I thought that was in pretty poor taste actually) doesn't mean it's the best choice or ways to feel for yourself. Maybe it is...maybe it isn't...just do your own research.


Eddie has and does like to only tell half political truths. Seen it for years at the PJ shows and now his solo shows have turned into political rallies for the liberal Democrats. DO your own research and make up your own minds.

I probably couldn't be further apart from you politically...but I don't see anything wrong with what you've said here. Do your own research, make up your own mind, don't follow blindly. Sounds good to me. I don't necessarily think Eddie gives "half truths" though, more just his personal opinion on politics. Eddie's politics are part of what made me fall in love with PJ though...but that might not be the case for everyone. You probably didn't need to post this in more than one forum though

However I do take issue with your opinions on cats, DS :twisted:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

when I'm telling someone not to do drugs, do I tell them that they also make you feel wonderful?

when I'm telling someone that Romney would be a horrible president, do I tell them he's probably an excellent husband and father, and probably a really nice guy?

gimme a break dude. Ed's not a politician. He believes something is wrong, so he speaks about what's wrong about it. he thinks shit needs to be labelled because he believes the health issue trumps the possibility of costs rising because of it. it's pretty simple.

DS1119

Zoso wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Zoso wrote:

honestly, I don't see how you could be anything apart from a liberal and follow pearl jam.. I'm scratching my heard over it in fact.

So only people with liberal political views can have good taste in music?

I'm saying that for me the bands politics and the love for their music goes hand in hand.. for me anyway I know it's different for a lot of people.

And for me I separate that stuff. I truly don't care what anyone's political views are. When I go to a PJ concert or EV show I show the individuals proper respect and listen. Other than being kind to people...I usually tune out what Eddie says between songs...often laugh a bit...but it's his forum, opinion, and I respect it. It's just hard for me to sometimes separate his "reality" from actual reality...especially when he talks about people being tied up with their electronic devices and virtual worlds and I walk by his EV merchandise booth and he's selling iPad cover with his initials on them for 15 bucks.

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

when I'm telling someone not to do drugs, do I tell them that they also make you feel wonderful?

when I'm telling someone that Romney would be a horrible president, do I tell them he's probably an excellent husband and father, and probably a really nice guy?

gimme a break dude. Ed's not a politician. He believes something is wrong, so he speaks about what's wrong about it. he thinks shit needs to be labelled because he believes the health issue trumps the possibility of costs rising because of it. it's pretty simple.

He "believes" something is wrong. It's his beliefs. I'm sorry but there's health care practitioners, doctors, etc. on both sides of the fence. Eddie I'm quite sure doesn't know more about the issue than either of those parties. He has every right to express his beliefs as does everyone else does to do their own research. Again, the only point of y thread.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

..especially when he talks about people being tied up with their electronic devices and virtual worlds and I walk by his EV merchandise booth and he's selling iPad cover with his initials on them for 15 bucks.

I gotta agree with you there......it seems a bit "odd" to say the least.

comebackgirl

DS1119 wrote:

Zoso wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

So only people with liberal political views can have good taste in music?

I'm saying that for me the bands politics and the love for their music goes hand in hand.. for me anyway I know it's different for a lot of people.

And for me I separate that stuff. I truly don't care what anyone's political views are. When I go to a PJ concert or EV show I show the individuals proper respect and listen. Other than being kind to people...I usually tune out what Eddie says between songs...often laugh a bit...but it's his forum, opinion, and I respect it. It's just hard for me to sometimes separate his "reality" from actual reality...especially when he talks about people being tied up with their electronic devices and virtual worlds and I walk by his EV merchandise booth and he's selling iPad cover with his initials on them for 15 bucks.

Could you get me one of those iPad covers? Thanks