i didnt know anyone was blindly following his political sentiments. For me, alot of what PJ spoke of on their albums informed and educated me towards understanding the world and how it works. The WM3 for one, is an issue I found out directly from the band.
But the band has campaigned for and been supportive of Obama the last 2 elections. And Eddie renounced Nader. Which are two things i vehemently disagree with. I seem to remember, when I saw them at one of the Key Arena 2009 shows, where he said something about how he felt Obama was doing well or something. I couldnt disagree more with Ed on that.
The band since day 1 has been political, so its sort of old hat at this point. They are one of the most political bands of our generation, and its clear that to them making a difference, speaking out on issues, trying to get people to look into issues, that may be their legacy beyond the music. I dont think they care about selling 2 million records, I do think they care about, or did care about freeing the wm3, when they were in prison
But Pj and Ed have never been about trying to tell people what to believe. Never have and never will. They expose people to ideas and concepts and you make up your own mind.
Very well said ComeBack and Musicismylife. I'd like to think the 3 of us would have a wonderful time at a show together! Zoso, you can come too, just watch the exposed nerves...
Very well said ComeBack and Musicismylife. I'd like to think the 3 of us would have a wonderful time at a show together! Zoso, you can come too, just watch the exposed nerves...
Well my bucket list includes driving up the West Coast and seeing PJ the next time they tour (whenever that is), so it can be done!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
This was blatantly obvious back in 2009 during is solo tours as well.
Take a look at his Sniper/program from the 2009 solo tour regarding the West Memphis 3.
There are about 3 or 4 things written in there that have been disproven by the court/trial. But he put them in there anyway...
You can't continually preach about wanting truth, when you suppress it at your own concert/writings...
We've been over this before, and you were shown to be lying, not Vedder. But you didn't let it go, and continued calling Ed a liar here on the board, and were given a long ban for it. And now here you again saying the same bullshit.
Why anyone cares what EV says politically boggles my mind.
Maybe it's because some people respect him as an artist and as a man, and so are interested in what he has to say on political issues.
I was also a fan of Bill Hicks and thought his political views were spot-on. The fact that Bill Hicks was a comedian, and Ed Vedder is a musician, doesn't make their views redundant, in fact, I think the opposite is the case.
The English poet Shelley claimed that "poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world". I.e, it's artists, and philosophers, who shape the World, not politicians. It's artistic revolutions that pave the way for political revolutions, just as the enlightenment led to the French Revolution, and the beat movement of the 1950's led to the counter-culture, and civil rights, movements of the 1960's.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2006/no ... anreview15
'...Shelley was, no mistake, out to change the legislation of his time. For him there was no contradiction between poetry, political philosophy, and active confrontation with illegitimate authority. For him, art bore an integral relationship to the "struggle between Revolution and Oppression". His "West Wind" was the "trumpet of a prophecy", driving "dead thoughts ... like withered leaves, to quicken a new birth".
i met ed for the second time outside of the fox theater in st louis in october 2004. he thanked the group of 8 or 9 of us that happened to be standing there for "going along with us on this thing"....everyone there agreed with ed's points for the most part and they asked ed appropriate questions and there was a very good back and forth between kerry supporters, ed, and former bush supporters who voted for him in 2000. it was much more constructive than what happens on the train on a daily basis...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Eddie has and does like to only tell half political truths. Seen it for years at the PJ shows and now his solo shows have turned into political rallies for the liberal Democrats. DO your own research and make up your own minds.
But where does Trust come into play? Because my instinct tells me to trust Eddie, my instincts have never told me to trust a politican, accept Jimmy Carter.
Eddie has and does like to only tell half political truths. Seen it for years at the PJ shows and now his solo shows have turned into political rallies for the liberal Democrats. DO your own research and make up your own minds.
But where does Trust come into play? Because my instinct tells me to trust Eddie, my instincts have never told me to trust a politican, accept Jimmy Carter.
It's pretty obvious Eddie has his own political agendas and likes to spread his ideas. Like I said in my first post, it's his show and it's his right to do so.
I'm just pointing out that he typically doesn't tell the whole story. I think he even said once
"there's more than one way to skin a cat".
Eddie has and does like to only tell half political truths. Seen it for years at the PJ shows and now his solo shows have turned into political rallies for the liberal Democrats. DO your own research and make up your own minds.
But where does Trust come into play? Because my instinct tells me to trust Eddie, my instincts have never told me to trust a politican, accept Jimmy Carter.
It's pretty obvious Eddie has his own political agendas and likes to spread his ideas. Like I said in my first post, it's his show and it's his right to do so.
I'm just pointing out that he typically doesn't tell the whole story. I think he even said once
"there's more than one way to skin a cat".
The problem with politics today, and people who get involved with politics is it's all about partisan politics. Very few people give the other side credit if they've made a good decision/done something good and it also works the other way as well very few will criticize those they support if they are not living up to expectations or doing the job as expected.
I tend to take what anyone says with a grain of salt...George Carlin had it right.
I'm not a huge fan of political pandering at concerts, but I understand Ed's ideology.
I just wish that if you fault an opponent ... And then your guy gets elected and pretty much does the same things that the last guy did ... Then you should call them out.
I'm not a huge fan of political pandering at concerts, but I understand Ed's ideology.
I just wish that if you fault an opponent ... And then your guy gets elected and pretty much does the same things that the last guy did ... Then you should call them out.
Exactly
If don't don't isn't it blind faith...so maybe some of these celebs should do the research and not preach to us.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I think I might find it difficult to enjoy a PJ or EV live show as much if I was an american republican.
For me, it's less about where an artist's ideologies lie versus the depth of their message. There are plenty of artists I may disagree with, but still respect their process for arriving at their beliefs. I only find it irritating when it's kneejerk, confrontational, and/or demonstrates a lack of comprehension.
I just mean because not all bands talk about their shit at gigs, Ed does.
It ain't that much, though. If you're not into it, easy enough to just roll your eyes and wait it out.
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But the band has campaigned for and been supportive of Obama the last 2 elections. And Eddie renounced Nader. Which are two things i vehemently disagree with. I seem to remember, when I saw them at one of the Key Arena 2009 shows, where he said something about how he felt Obama was doing well or something. I couldnt disagree more with Ed on that.
The band since day 1 has been political, so its sort of old hat at this point. They are one of the most political bands of our generation, and its clear that to them making a difference, speaking out on issues, trying to get people to look into issues, that may be their legacy beyond the music. I dont think they care about selling 2 million records, I do think they care about, or did care about freeing the wm3, when they were in prison
But Pj and Ed have never been about trying to tell people what to believe. Never have and never will. They expose people to ideas and concepts and you make up your own mind.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
We've been over this before, and you were shown to be lying, not Vedder. But you didn't let it go, and continued calling Ed a liar here on the board, and were given a long ban for it. And now here you again saying the same bullshit.
Maybe it's because some people respect him as an artist and as a man, and so are interested in what he has to say on political issues.
I was also a fan of Bill Hicks and thought his political views were spot-on. The fact that Bill Hicks was a comedian, and Ed Vedder is a musician, doesn't make their views redundant, in fact, I think the opposite is the case.
The English poet Shelley claimed that "poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world". I.e, it's artists, and philosophers, who shape the World, not politicians. It's artistic revolutions that pave the way for political revolutions, just as the enlightenment led to the French Revolution, and the beat movement of the 1950's led to the counter-culture, and civil rights, movements of the 1960's.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2006/no ... anreview15
'...Shelley was, no mistake, out to change the legislation of his time. For him there was no contradiction between poetry, political philosophy, and active confrontation with illegitimate authority. For him, art bore an integral relationship to the "struggle between Revolution and Oppression". His "West Wind" was the "trumpet of a prophecy", driving "dead thoughts ... like withered leaves, to quicken a new birth".
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QeX-1F-uVc
But where does Trust come into play? Because my instinct tells me to trust Eddie, my instincts have never told me to trust a politican, accept Jimmy Carter.
It's pretty obvious Eddie has his own political agendas and likes to spread his ideas. Like I said in my first post, it's his show and it's his right to do so.
I'm just pointing out that he typically doesn't tell the whole story. I think he even said once
"there's more than one way to skin a cat".
The problem with politics today, and people who get involved with politics is it's all about partisan politics. Very few people give the other side credit if they've made a good decision/done something good and it also works the other way as well very few will criticize those they support if they are not living up to expectations or doing the job as expected.
I tend to take what anyone says with a grain of salt...George Carlin had it right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efKguI0N ... r_embedded
A few others I've read that tend to make sense...most are jus pissing in the wind.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I just wish that if you fault an opponent ... And then your guy gets elected and pretty much does the same things that the last guy did ... Then you should call them out.
Exactly
If don't don't isn't it blind faith...so maybe some of these celebs should do the research and not preach to us.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
It ain't that much, though. If you're not into it, easy enough to just roll your eyes and wait it out.
Brilliant! Thanks for posting this, Byrnzie.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"