People Nowadays

PJ_Soul

Jeanwah wrote:

brianlux wrote:

PJFAN13 wrote:

Last night = Mumford & Sons. I'm old school, refuse to bring my phone in - crappy old iPhone - love to just rock out and not worry about it breaking, falling, etc...

I was utterly amazed of how many 4" blaring light screens were up in front of me (to the sides of me and behind me)...flabbergasted, in fact. There can be NO WAY one can enjoy a show handling that thing, staring through it, etc opposed to just living in the moment and enjoying the vibe, can there? On the 2 1/2 hr drive back to San Diego I complained about the people in front of us and my wife said I was crazy and that's the way it is. "People like to post on their Facebook accounts and You Tube"...I don't do Facebook either.
At 40, feeling like a relic. Thanks god for the dude to my right last night - I still have faith in humanity...
HIM: "Put the fucking iPhone down or it will fly when I let loose during Little Lion Man" The lady moved, never to be seen again.

Good! If venues allow these gadgets I suppose there's nothing that can be done about that, but people should respect the desire of others to not be affected by them. Courtesy needs to be re-introduced into society. If a cell phone or iPhone is bothering someone close by it should be put away.

There's never an excuse to use these devices while driving and yet I see that all the time and it's like watching an accident waiting to happen. It's criminal and idiotic and happens all the time.

Edward Abbey once remarked about people having eyed hooded, ears plugged (sunglasses, walkman) as a way of pointing out the more and more we aren't looking at the real world around us. Today, he would be greatly disturbed by all of this.

Thank you guys for completely getting the jist of why I started this thread.

Helplessdancer, it's about fully feeling life in a joyful moment, and not being tied to portable electronics and allowing these devices to take precedence of the real experience. Surely, you must love the joy of being completely lost in the music. Have you read the entire thread?

I fully get what you're saying... but I just don't get 1) why you care how others want to enjoy a concert as long as you enjoy it, or 2) why you assume just because other people different from you like to film they are not feeling just as much joy as you are. People don't all experience and feel things the same way; that doesn't necessarily mean they aren't feeling intensity of feelings. Also, I'm not convinced that those who are both dong the phone thing and not feeling joy and passion of the music would feel it just because they don't have a phone. I'm sure plenty of people at every concert ever aren't that into music. Some people just don't feel that connection with music, and find their passion elsewhere, but still think a concert is a fun way to spend an evening. Either way, I don't care and don"t judge, as long as people aren't being assholes so that I can enjoy the music the way I see fit (which is indeed not watching it through my phone).

One thing I do kind of respect is the feelings of the artist on the matter. I.e. it's clearly outlined for EV shows that phones and photos are a no no, so anyone pulling that shit at one of his shows is an ass. Ditto for any other show where the artist makes it be known that that stuff is not welcome. If it bugs the band in question, and they say something, then people should stop it... on the other hand, I don't like it when bands act like assholes about it as described above. The fans are the ones paying their salaries. They should perhaps politely ask that people put down the phones if it really bugs them, but after that they should either have security quietly remove them or just leave it alone and respect their fans and how they want to enjoy the show assuming it doesn't involve hurting or bothering other people (and I think people.whining about little lights in the crowd at a rock concert are just being huge whiners). Really, any band that has big rock concerts (as opposed to chill shows) and expect no filming with phones are being stupid.

helplessdancer

Jeanwah wrote:

Thank you guys for completely getting the jist of why I started this thread.

Helplessdancer, it's about fully feeling life in a joyful moment, and not being tied to portable electronics and allowing these devices to take precedence of the real experience. Surely, you must love the joy of being completely lost in the music. Have you read the entire thread?

live and let live. who really cares? i don't!
i really could care less if someone wants to watch a show thru a 3" screen for a personal reason that they have made themselves. or if they bbm in the bank line up vs chatting to the next person in line.
i stopped being the world's police a long time ago at concerts and in life
to each their own. if they are happy then i am happy
how they choose to experience life is their choice, not mine. it should be that simple

PJFAN13

helplessdancer wrote:

I really could care less if someone wants to watch a show thru a 3" screen for a personal reason that they have made themselves.how they choose to experience life is their choice, not mine. it should be that simple

Love your "peace , love and granola" stance - really.
When you walk into a venue and there are signs EVERYWHERE to keep cellular devices shutoff and out of sight = different opinion. At least by me.
Seriously, I accept and respect your thoughts. Before the last 5 years of the screens being prevalent at shows, you can't imagine how incredible these shows were without them. In fact, when special edition video/DVD's came out = even better.
Let the amateur Speilbergs/Scorcese's have their fun. Who am I to intervene? I just know that I've been to TONS of shows in my life where those screens were NOT part of the show and the shows were still majestically awesome. They do nothing but get in the way (distraction) now.
Old man rant over

brianlux

PJFAN13 wrote:

helplessdancer wrote:

I really could care less if someone wants to watch a show thru a 3" screen for a personal reason that they have made themselves.how they choose to experience life is their choice, not mine. it should be that simple

Love your "peace , love and granola" stance - really.
When you walk into a venue and there are signs EVERYWHERE to keep cellular devices shutoff and out of sight = different opinion. At least by me.
Seriously, I accept and respect your thoughts. Before the last 5 years of the screens being prevalent at shows, you can't imagine how incredible these shows were without them. In fact, when special edition video/DVD's came out = even better.
Let the amateur Speilbergs/Scorcese's have their fun. Who am I to intervene? I just know that I've been to TONS of shows in my life where those screens were NOT part of the show and the shows were still majestically awesome. They do nothing but get in the way (distraction) now.
Old man rant over

You're in good company, fellow old man.

PJ_Soul

PJFAN13 wrote:

helplessdancer wrote:

I really could care less if someone wants to watch a show thru a 3" screen for a personal reason that they have made themselves.how they choose to experience life is their choice, not mine. it should be that simple

Love your "peace , love and granola" stance - really.
When you walk into a venue and there are signs EVERYWHERE to keep cellular devices shutoff and out of sight = different opinion. At least by me.
Seriously, I accept and respect your thoughts. Before the last 5 years of the screens being prevalent at shows, you can't imagine how incredible these shows were without them. In fact, when special edition video/DVD's came out = even better.
Let the amateur Speilbergs/Scorcese's have their fun. Who am I to intervene? I just know that I've been to TONS of shows in my life where those screens were NOT part of the show and the shows were still majestically awesome. They do nothing but get in the way (distraction) now.
Old man rant over

I've been to tons of show with lots of filming and none as well, and I don't think it made any impact on my enjoyment of it or the quality of the show. But I do agree that people should follow the rules. If there are signs posted not to do it, then that is totally different, but I have honestly not seen people doing that - blatantly filming when there are signs saying not to. Security usually keeps an eye out too in those cases. So i don't know where you live, but where i am, people are generally respectful of posted rules. The only shows I've been to where there is a fair bit of filming is at big plus rock concerts where lights are flashing, people are rocking out, it's incredibly loud... how could some little phones be a distraction in that atmosphere?
I say follow the rules, and after that live and let live as helplessdancer says. Btw, I had no idea that having that attitude was granola. :fp:

brianlux

PJ_Soul wrote:

PJFAN13 wrote:

helplessdancer wrote:

I really could care less if someone wants to watch a show thru a 3" screen for a personal reason that they have made themselves.how they choose to experience life is their choice, not mine. it should be that simple

Love your "peace , love and granola" stance - really.
When you walk into a venue and there are signs EVERYWHERE to keep cellular devices shutoff and out of sight = different opinion. At least by me.
Seriously, I accept and respect your thoughts. Before the last 5 years of the screens being prevalent at shows, you can't imagine how incredible these shows were without them. In fact, when special edition video/DVD's came out = even better.
Let the amateur Speilbergs/Scorcese's have their fun. Who am I to intervene? I just know that I've been to TONS of shows in my life where those screens were NOT part of the show and the shows were still majestically awesome. They do nothing but get in the way (distraction) now.
Old man rant over

I've been to tons of show with lots of filming and none as well, and I don't think it made any impact on my enjoyment of it or the quality of the show. But I do agree that people should follow the rules. If there are signs posted not to do it, then that is totally different, but I have honestly not seen people doing that - blatantly filming when there are signs saying not to. Security usually keeps an eye out too in those cases. So i don't know where you live, but where i am, people are generally respectful of posted rules. The only shows I've been to where there is a fair bit of filming is at big plus rock concerts where lights are flashing, people are rocking out, it's incredibly loud... how could some little phones be a distraction in that atmosphere?
I say follow the rules, and after that live and let live as helplessdancer says. Btw, I had no idea that having that attitude was granola. :fp:

I think it's just us old people who eat granola.

riotgrl

Personally, I don't care to have my phone out, but I say to each his own, for the most part. I think it annoys me when others keep their phone out filming the entire time because I am only 5'2" so when someone holds the phone up then it ruins my enjoyment because it blocks my view. Enjoy how it you want but I have enough impediments to my line of sight - just be aware that others are trying to see/feel/enjoy

riotgrl

brianlux wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

PJFAN13 wrote:

Love your "peace , love and granola" stance - really.
When you walk into a venue and there are signs EVERYWHERE to keep cellular devices shutoff and out of sight = different opinion. At least by me.
Seriously, I accept and respect your thoughts. Before the last 5 years of the screens being prevalent at shows, you can't imagine how incredible these shows were without them. In fact, when special edition video/DVD's came out = even better.
Let the amateur Speilbergs/Scorcese's have their fun. Who am I to intervene? I just know that I've been to TONS of shows in my life where those screens were NOT part of the show and the shows were still majestically awesome. They do nothing but get in the way (distraction) now.
Old man rant over

I've been to tons of show with lots of filming and none as well, and I don't think it made any impact on my enjoyment of it or the quality of the show. But I do agree that people should follow the rules. If there are signs posted not to do it, then that is totally different, but I have honestly not seen people doing that - blatantly filming when there are signs saying not to. Security usually keeps an eye out too in those cases. So i don't know where you live, but where i am, people are generally respectful of posted rules. The only shows I've been to where there is a fair bit of filming is at big plus rock concerts where lights are flashing, people are rocking out, it's incredibly loud... how could some little phones be a distraction in that atmosphere?
I say follow the rules, and after that live and let live as helplessdancer says. Btw, I had no idea that having that attitude was granola. :fp:

I think it's just us old people who eat granola.

Nah, I eat granola every day - and I am NOT old. I refuse to be old

PJFAN13

PJ_Soul wrote:

If there are signs posted not to do it, then that is totally different, but I have honestly not seen people doing that - blatantly filming when there are signs saying not to. Security usually keeps an eye out too in those cases. So i don't know where you live, but where i am, people are generally respectful of posted rules. The only shows I've been to where there is a fair bit of filming is at big plus rock concerts where lights are flashing, people are rocking out, it's incredibly loud... how could some little phones be a distraction in that atmosphere?
I say follow the rules, and after that live and let live as helplessdancer says. Btw, I had no idea that having that attitude was granola. :fp:

Signs posted in Los Angeles last night, where the concert was...
I live in San Diego
Not sure why that matters
Peace Love and Granola = live and let live - sorry if you didn't get my humor.
how could some little phones be a distraction in that atmosphere When Marcus Mumford is performing "Lovers Eyes" in a venue that asks NO CELLPHONES/CAMERAS/VIDEOS and there is a special light show specifically for this particularly - YES = HUGE DISTRACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My eyes are focused on stage, band and song. Should not have the glow of HUNDREDS (if not thousands) taping this for some sub par You Tube video that will be taken down by the band in 48 hrs...
Again, old man rule follower here -that has been to tons of shows where that was never a consideration. Last few years its part of the "norm" and its a distraction. More power to you that you don't find it to be so.
Peace. (puts Depends on)

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

That story has nothing to do with anything. All of says is that she is a terrible mother. If she hadn't left the kids to charge a phone, she would have left them for any number of other reasons, and probably already had several times before anyone noticed.

It is about priorities, this mother chose to own a phone instead of pay for electricity and heat.
I think that speaks volumes of how ridiculous phone usage has become.

PJ_Soul

riotgrl wrote:

Personally, I don't care to have my phone out, but I say to each his own, for the most part. I think it annoys me when others keep their phone out filming the entire time because I am only 5'2" so when someone holds the phone up then it ruins my enjoyment because it blocks my view. Enjoy how it you want but I have enough impediments to my line of sight - just be aware that others are trying to see/feel/enjoy

Definitely. I' the phone's right I'm front of my face that's a whole other story. But when that happens, I just tap the person on the shoulder and ask them to keep their phone from blocking my view, and so far no one has ever been anything other than cooperative and apologetic. Maybe one of these days I'll run in with an asshole, but that's okay, I can handle that.

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

That story has nothing to do with anything. All of says is that she is a terrible mother. If she hadn't left the kids to charge a phone, she would have left them for any number of other reasons, and probably already had several times before anyone noticed.

It is about priorities, this mother chose to own a phone instead of pay for electricity and heat.
I think that speaks volumes of how ridiculous phone usage has become.

I think it's irrelevant. Bad mothers have been neglecting and endangering their kids forever. That this one happened to doing this time to charge a phone is neither here nor there. There is not an epidemic of mothers who would otherwise be attentive but are instead spending all their time leaving their kids to charge their phones. One single incident like the one you mention is meaningless because it doesn't apply to the rest of society. That she did that has no relation to what the rest of society is doing. Pretty sure most people are still putting their kids' lives before their cell phones! You may as well find a story about a mom who left her infant for 24 hours to go and have sex, and then say that it means sex has become a problem and that people's priorities are all screwed up. Find me 10 more stories about moms leaving their kids in danger to charge their phone, and then I will consider connecting the dots.

Jeanwah

helplessdancer wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Thank you guys for completely getting the jist of why I started this thread.

Helplessdancer, it's about fully feeling life in a joyful moment, and not being tied to portable electronics and allowing these devices to take precedence of the real experience. Surely, you must love the joy of being completely lost in the music. Have you read the entire thread?

live and let live. who really cares? i don't!
i really could care less if someone wants to watch a show thru a 3" screen for a personal reason that they have made themselves. or if they bbm in the bank line up vs chatting to the next person in line.
i stopped being the world's police a long time ago at concerts and in life
to each their own. if they are happy then i am happy
how they choose to experience life is their choice, not mine. it should be that simple

Never mind. You obviously are not even attempting to understand where I'm coming from. And you want to know what can unify us? A little bit of understanding.

I get where you're coming from with the live and let live, let anyone do what they please, but I'm trying to get the idea across that technology has its place, but not really when they are nothing but a distraction for the rest of us. But I really feel that you are not understanding what I am trying to get across. Again, did you read the whole thread?

brianlux

In some ways, I see what your saying, helplessdancer, but does your statement presume people who "live and let live" also recognize courtesy? I am not saying this about you, but in general, I wonder. Too often, it seems like "live and let live" is an excuse to not bother with being courteous. Maybe that's just because I'm getting to be an old guy who thinks courtesy and respect for others should still matter.

PJ_Soul

brianlux wrote:

In some ways, I see what your saying, helplessdancer, but does your statement presume people who "live and let live" also recognize courtesy? I am not saying this about you, but in general, I wonder. Too often, it seems like "live and let live" is an excuse to not bother with being courteous. Maybe that's just because I'm getting to be an old guy who thinks courtesy and respect for others should still matter.

I don't think courtesy and respect is an old fashioned concept Brian (c'mon , give us younger people some credit). You can say live and let live and not mean ignore all behaviour that's disruptive. It's not that helplessdancer or I don't understand what Jeanwah is saying (I think, HD don't want to speak for you). I know I do understand. What I don't get is why and how the phones are.putting people out so much. I mean... why is it such a distraction?? I'm dealing with the same thing as everyone else, and I don't find it very disruptive at all. I'm wondering if you guys have a problem with focus yourselves, as in you're focusing way too much on the phone usage instead of letting yourselves enjoy the show. Because trust me, if you just stop letting it bother you and stop steaming over it (live and let live), it's really not a distraction. As for courtesy... I guess that comes in when people are doing it when signs are posted forbidding it or when people hold the things right in front of you... that also doesn't pose much of a problem as far as I can tell, just because it doesn't happen all that much. Yes, non-courteous people suck, but just ask them to lower the phone, point out the signs if they're there. If they say no, tell security. You know... just deal with it like normal, with a bit of patience, and the problem normally goes away quite smoothly. It's not that big a deal, and in my experience not a rampant problem.

helplessdancer

ok i'll nevermind
maybe you have had different circumstances to have lead u up to how u feel
i've seen 30+ shows a year for the last 12 years. clubs and stadiums
it's never bothered me once. never have i had to say "stop it" re cameras cell phones
in fact, most people i run into are respectful of others, but i don't live in nyc

maybe i am missing the point and also maybe i choose to not let things bother me as much as others

Jeanwah

helplessdancer wrote:

ok i'll nevermind
maybe you have had different circumstances to have lead u up to how u feel
i've seen 30+ shows a year for the last 12 years. clubs and stadiums
it's never bothered me once. never have i had to say "stop it" re cameras cell phones
in fact, most people i run into are respectful of others, but i don't live in nyc

maybe i am missing the point and also maybe i choose to not let things bother me as much as others

Do me a favor. Read the whole thread.

dancepartner

phew! lots to read. Just posted my two bits and it was lost. Damn. Hotel servers anyway.

My two bits - again.

We can't always just live & let live. We are communal. Societal acceptance parameters constantly adapt to maintain harmonious balance within a society. For instance, luckily a societal group once, decided it was not acceptable to full-bore nose-drill in public! Apply this then, to techno-gadget use. Given time, what's acceptable will prevail but if we want to speed this process up a bit, all we have to do is voice in-unison what's not.

I suspect a 'live & let live mindset' helped usher in a passive state but consider, again because we are communal, ethics (societal acceptance) comes with an intent to apply basic common decencies. So like riotgirl said; she's 5'2'' and wants to see the show, not everyone's phone held high, simply means that although a 'live & let live' mindset has modified ethical expectations with a good dose of self-check humility, it does not mean we must passively allow our ethics to get trampled! Here's where I think we are now: moving from passivity to reaffirm that our ethics still matter...dammit!
Here's what I mean. Since only morons need reminded of basic common decency (as this comes naturally for the rest of us) riotgirl kindly asks said morons to put their phones down. ALL OTHERS MUST THEN STAND BY HER; ethics being the guiding light. With a bit of luck, but mostly with a united, unspoken backing, this expectation is conveyed without much ado & the morons will conform.

I had written (then lost it) about my greater concern which is fully integrated in this thread. But, I'm hungry so I'm not going to rewrite that part tonight. I'm off to find some dinner. Tomorrow though, I'm gonna chime in about that other two-bits here, as well as the other thread, the one about 'what we've learned at AMT.'
The one that ends with asking; do you feel AMT is ready to move on? These two threads are intricately intertwined. Communal animals communicate. That's what techno-toys help us do but beyond communication, we have an inner drive which compels us forward lest we passively stagnate. To this, just consider how lucky we are that this animal was long ago -- compelled to move beyond munching flees off one another!
Yikes. I am hungry!

PJ_Soul

dancepartner wrote:

phew! lots to read. Just posted my two bits and it was lost. Damn. Hotel servers anyway.

My two bits - again.

We can't always just live & let live. We are communal. Societal acceptance parameters constantly adapt to maintain harmonious balance within a society. For instance, luckily a societal group once, decided it was not acceptable to full-bore nose-drill in public! Apply this then, to techno-gadget use. Given time, what's acceptable will prevail but if we want to speed this process up a bit, all we have to do is voice in-unison what's not.

I suspect a 'live & let live mindset' helped usher in a passive state but consider, again because we are communal, ethics (societal acceptance) comes with an intent to apply basic common decencies. So like riotgirl said; she's 5'2'' and wants to see the show, not everyone's phone held high, simply means that although a 'live & let live' mindset has modified ethical expectations with a good dose of self-check humility, it does not mean we must passively allow our ethics to get trampled! Here's where I think we are now: moving from passivity to reaffirm that our ethics still matter...dammit!
Here's what I mean. Since only morons need reminded of basic common decency (as this comes naturally for the rest of us) riotgirl kindly asks said morons to put their phones down. ALL OTHERS MUST THEN STAND BY HER; ethics being the guiding light. With a bit of luck, but mostly with a united, unspoken backing, this expectation is conveyed without much ado & the morons will conform.

I had written (then lost it) about my greater concern which is fully integrated in this thread. But, I'm hungry so I'm not going to rewrite that part tonight. I'm off to find some dinner. Tomorrow though, I'm gonna chime in about that other two-bits here, as well as the other thread, the one about 'what we've learned at AMT.'
The one that ends with asking; do you feel AMT is ready to move on? These two threads are intricately intertwined. Communal animals communicate. That's what techno-toys help us do but beyond communication, we have an inner drive which compels us forward lest we passively stagnate. To this, just consider how lucky we are that this animal was long ago -- compelled to move beyond munching flees off one another!
Yikes. I am hungry!

Just want to reiterate that "live and let live" does not mean being cool with people doing whatever whenever. I personally just mean that sometimes people seem to really lack tolerance of bother people. Of COURSE people acting like jerks and blocking views isn't okay, as I already said. But to get upset because other people aren't enjoying a concert as passionately as one thinks they ought to?? Getting mad about some squares of blue light scattered through a crowd? That just seems like intolerance to me, not simply expecting courtesy from others. As you say, we are in it together - we are communal. Son doesn't that that, to a certain extent, that we need to be tolerant and patient about those behaviours that we don't ourselves relate to? I think so. I think more and more, people are losing patience with the things and people around them that they don't personally embrace. In don't believe that more and more intolerable things are around, but that there is less tolerance. The onlyvthingnthere is definitely more of of now is PEOPLE. And the result of that ought to be everyone taking a deep breathe and accepting the inevitable intrusion as best they can (within reason - I do not mean accept bullshit and rudeness. I'm not talking about rule-breaking and stuff that is disruptive). But instead, people are just kind of stewing about it. They are not necessarily adjusting to change or accepting differences, but instead resisting change or difference with irritation and frustration. In the end, that just harms that individual, makes them annoyed and feeling unsettled, with no way to change what is making them feel that way. It seems self-defeating to me. But there is certainly a fine line between what would be best to let live and what should be fought against... I think everyone needs to take the time to really step back and figure that out for themselves.

PJ_Soul

dancepartner wrote:

phew! lots to read. Just posted my two bits and it was lost. Damn. Hotel servers anyway.

My two bits - again.

We can't always just live & let live. We are communal. Societal acceptance parameters constantly adapt to maintain harmonious balance within a society. For instance, luckily a societal group once, decided it was not acceptable to full-bore nose-drill in public! Apply this then, to techno-gadget use. Given time, what's acceptable will prevail but if we want to speed this process up a bit, all we have to do is voice in-unison what's not.

I suspect a 'live & let live mindset' helped usher in a passive state but consider, again because we are communal, ethics (societal acceptance) comes with an intent to apply basic common decencies. So like riotgirl said; she's 5'2'' and wants to see the show, not everyone's phone held high, simply means that although a 'live & let live' mindset has modified ethical expectations with a good dose of self-check humility, it does not mean we must passively allow our ethics to get trampled! Here's where I think we are now: moving from passivity to reaffirm that our ethics still matter...dammit!
Here's what I mean. Since only morons need reminded of basic common decency (as this comes naturally for the rest of us) riotgirl kindly asks said morons to put their phones down. ALL OTHERS MUST THEN STAND BY HER; ethics being the guiding light. With a bit of luck, but mostly with a united, unspoken backing, this expectation is conveyed without much ado & the morons will conform.

I had written (then lost it) about my greater concern which is fully integrated in this thread. But, I'm hungry so I'm not going to rewrite that part tonight. I'm off to find some dinner. Tomorrow though, I'm gonna chime in about that other two-bits here, as well as the other thread, the one about 'what we've learned at AMT.'
The one that ends with asking; do you feel AMT is ready to move on? These two threads are intricately intertwined. Communal animals communicate. That's what techno-toys help us do but beyond communication, we have an inner drive which compels us forward lest we passively stagnate. To this, just consider how lucky we are that this animal was long ago -- compelled to move beyond munching flees off one another!
Yikes. I am hungry!

Just want to reiterate that "live and let live" does not mean being cool with people doing whatever whenever. I personally just mean that sometimes people seem to really lack tolerance of other people and/or their ways of doing things. Of COURSE people acting like jerks and blocking views isn't okay, as I already said. But to get upset because other people aren't enjoying a concert as passionately as one thinks they ought to?? Getting mad about some squares of blue light scattered through a crowd? That just seems like intolerance to me, not simply expecting courtesy from others. As you say, we are in it together - we are communal. Son doesn't that that, to a certain extent, that we need to be tolerant and patient about those behaviours that we don't ourselves relate to? I think so. I think more and more, people are losing patience with the things and people around them that they don't personally embrace. In don't believe that more and more intolerable things are around, but that there is less tolerance.

The only thing there is definitely more of of now is PEOPLE. And the result of that ought to be everyone taking a deep breathe and accepting the inevitable intrusion as best they can (within reason - I do not mean accept bullshit and rudeness. I'm not talking about rule-breaking and stuff that is disruptive). But instead, people are just kind of stewing about it. They are not necessarily adjusting to change or accepting differences, but instead resisting change or difference with irritation and frustration. In the end, that just harms that individual, makes them annoyed and feeling unsettled, with no way to change what is making them feel that way. It seems self-defeating to me. But there is certainly a fine line between what would be best to let live and what should be fought against... I think everyone needs to take the time to really step back and figure that out for themselves.