Personally, I don't care to have my phone out, but I say to each his own, for the most part. I think it annoys me when others keep their phone out filming the entire time because I am only 5'2" so when someone holds the phone up then it ruins my enjoyment because it blocks my view. Enjoy how it you want but I have enough impediments to my line of sight - just be aware that others are trying to see/feel/enjoy
Definitely. I' the phone's right I'm front of my face that's a whole other story. But when that happens, I just tap the person on the shoulder and ask them to keep their phone from blocking my view, and so far no one has ever been anything other than cooperative and apologetic. Maybe one of these days I'll run in with an asshole, but that's okay, I can handle that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
That story has nothing to do with anything. All of says is that she is a terrible mother. If she hadn't left the kids to charge a phone, she would have left them for any number of other reasons, and probably already had several times before anyone noticed.
It is about priorities, this mother chose to own a phone instead of pay for electricity and heat.
I think that speaks volumes of how ridiculous phone usage has become.
I think it's irrelevant. Bad mothers have been neglecting and endangering their kids forever. That this one happened to doing this time to charge a phone is neither here nor there. There is not an epidemic of mothers who would otherwise be attentive but are instead spending all their time leaving their kids to charge their phones. One single incident like the one you mention is meaningless because it doesn't apply to the rest of society. That she did that has no relation to what the rest of society is doing. Pretty sure most people are still putting their kids' lives before their cell phones! You may as well find a story about a mom who left her infant for 24 hours to go and have sex, and then say that it means sex has become a problem and that people's priorities are all screwed up. Find me 10 more stories about moms leaving their kids in danger to charge their phone, and then I will consider connecting the dots.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Thank you guys for completely getting the jist of why I started this thread.
Helplessdancer, it's about fully feeling life in a joyful moment, and not being tied to portable electronics and allowing these devices to take precedence of the real experience. Surely, you must love the joy of being completely lost in the music. Have you read the entire thread?
live and let live. who really cares? i don't!
i really could care less if someone wants to watch a show thru a 3" screen for a personal reason that they have made themselves. or if they bbm in the bank line up vs chatting to the next person in line.
i stopped being the world's police a long time ago at concerts and in life
to each their own. if they are happy then i am happy
how they choose to experience life is their choice, not mine. it should be that simple
Never mind. You obviously are not even attempting to understand where I'm coming from. And you want to know what can unify us? A little bit of understanding.
I get where you're coming from with the live and let live, let anyone do what they please, but I'm trying to get the idea across that technology has its place, but not really when they are nothing but a distraction for the rest of us. But I really feel that you are not understanding what I am trying to get across. Again, did you read the whole thread?
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In some ways, I see what your saying, helplessdancer, but does your statement presume people who "live and let live" also recognize courtesy? I am not saying this about you, but in general, I wonder. Too often, it seems like "live and let live" is an excuse to not bother with being courteous. Maybe that's just because I'm getting to be an old guy who thinks courtesy and respect for others should still matter.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
In some ways, I see what your saying, helplessdancer, but does your statement presume people who "live and let live" also recognize courtesy? I am not saying this about you, but in general, I wonder. Too often, it seems like "live and let live" is an excuse to not bother with being courteous. Maybe that's just because I'm getting to be an old guy who thinks courtesy and respect for others should still matter.
I don't think courtesy and respect is an old fashioned concept Brian (c'mon , give us younger people some credit). You can say live and let live and not mean ignore all behaviour that's disruptive. It's not that helplessdancer or I don't understand what Jeanwah is saying (I think, HD don't want to speak for you). I know I do understand. What I don't get is why and how the phones are.putting people out so much. I mean... why is it such a distraction?? I'm dealing with the same thing as everyone else, and I don't find it very disruptive at all. I'm wondering if you guys have a problem with focus yourselves, as in you're focusing way too much on the phone usage instead of letting yourselves enjoy the show. Because trust me, if you just stop letting it bother you and stop steaming over it (live and let live), it's really not a distraction. As for courtesy... I guess that comes in when people are doing it when signs are posted forbidding it or when people hold the things right in front of you... that also doesn't pose much of a problem as far as I can tell, just because it doesn't happen all that much. Yes, non-courteous people suck, but just ask them to lower the phone, point out the signs if they're there. If they say no, tell security. You know... just deal with it like normal, with a bit of patience, and the problem normally goes away quite smoothly. It's not that big a deal, and in my experience not a rampant problem.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
ok i'll nevermind
maybe you have had different circumstances to have lead u up to how u feel
i've seen 30+ shows a year for the last 12 years. clubs and stadiums
it's never bothered me once. never have i had to say "stop it" re cameras cell phones
in fact, most people i run into are respectful of others, but i don't live in nyc
maybe i am missing the point and also maybe i choose to not let things bother me as much as others
ok i'll nevermind
maybe you have had different circumstances to have lead u up to how u feel
i've seen 30+ shows a year for the last 12 years. clubs and stadiums
it's never bothered me once. never have i had to say "stop it" re cameras cell phones
in fact, most people i run into are respectful of others, but i don't live in nyc
maybe i am missing the point and also maybe i choose to not let things bother me as much as others
phew! lots to read. Just posted my two bits and it was lost. Damn. Hotel servers anyway.
My two bits - again.
We can't always just live & let live. We are communal. Societal acceptance parameters constantly adapt to maintain harmonious balance within a society. For instance, luckily a societal group once, decided it was not acceptable to full-bore nose-drill in public! Apply this then, to techno-gadget use. Given time, what's acceptable will prevail but if we want to speed this process up a bit, all we have to do is voice in-unison what's not.
I suspect a 'live & let live mindset' helped usher in a passive state but consider, again because we are communal, ethics (societal acceptance) comes with an intent to apply basic common decencies. So like riotgirl said; she's 5'2'' and wants to see the show, not everyone's phone held high, simply means that although a 'live & let live' mindset has modified ethical expectations with a good dose of self-check humility, it does not mean we must passively allow our ethics to get trampled! Here's where I think we are now: moving from passivity to reaffirm that our ethics still matter...dammit!
Here's what I mean. Since only morons need reminded of basic common decency (as this comes naturally for the rest of us) riotgirl kindly asks said morons to put their phones down. ALL OTHERS MUST THEN STAND BY HER; ethics being the guiding light. With a bit of luck, but mostly with a united, unspoken backing, this expectation is conveyed without much ado & the morons will conform.
I had written (then lost it) about my greater concern which is fully integrated in this thread. But, I'm hungry so I'm not going to rewrite that part tonight. I'm off to find some dinner. Tomorrow though, I'm gonna chime in about that other two-bits here, as well as the other thread, the one about 'what we've learned at AMT.'
The one that ends with asking; do you feel AMT is ready to move on? These two threads are intricately intertwined. Communal animals communicate. That's what techno-toys help us do but beyond communication, we have an inner drive which compels us forward lest we passively stagnate. To this, just consider how lucky we are that this animal was long ago -- compelled to move beyond munching flees off one another!
Yikes. I am hungry!
phew! lots to read. Just posted my two bits and it was lost. Damn. Hotel servers anyway.
My two bits - again.
We can't always just live & let live. We are communal. Societal acceptance parameters constantly adapt to maintain harmonious balance within a society. For instance, luckily a societal group once, decided it was not acceptable to full-bore nose-drill in public! Apply this then, to techno-gadget use. Given time, what's acceptable will prevail but if we want to speed this process up a bit, all we have to do is voice in-unison what's not.
I suspect a 'live & let live mindset' helped usher in a passive state but consider, again because we are communal, ethics (societal acceptance) comes with an intent to apply basic common decencies. So like riotgirl said; she's 5'2'' and wants to see the show, not everyone's phone held high, simply means that although a 'live & let live' mindset has modified ethical expectations with a good dose of self-check humility, it does not mean we must passively allow our ethics to get trampled! Here's where I think we are now: moving from passivity to reaffirm that our ethics still matter...dammit!
Here's what I mean. Since only morons need reminded of basic common decency (as this comes naturally for the rest of us) riotgirl kindly asks said morons to put their phones down. ALL OTHERS MUST THEN STAND BY HER; ethics being the guiding light. With a bit of luck, but mostly with a united, unspoken backing, this expectation is conveyed without much ado & the morons will conform.
I had written (then lost it) about my greater concern which is fully integrated in this thread. But, I'm hungry so I'm not going to rewrite that part tonight. I'm off to find some dinner. Tomorrow though, I'm gonna chime in about that other two-bits here, as well as the other thread, the one about 'what we've learned at AMT.'
The one that ends with asking; do you feel AMT is ready to move on? These two threads are intricately intertwined. Communal animals communicate. That's what techno-toys help us do but beyond communication, we have an inner drive which compels us forward lest we passively stagnate. To this, just consider how lucky we are that this animal was long ago -- compelled to move beyond munching flees off one another!
Yikes. I am hungry!
Just want to reiterate that "live and let live" does not mean being cool with people doing whatever whenever. I personally just mean that sometimes people seem to really lack tolerance of bother people. Of COURSE people acting like jerks and blocking views isn't okay, as I already said. But to get upset because other people aren't enjoying a concert as passionately as one thinks they ought to?? Getting mad about some squares of blue light scattered through a crowd? That just seems like intolerance to me, not simply expecting courtesy from others. As you say, we are in it together - we are communal. Son doesn't that that, to a certain extent, that we need to be tolerant and patient about those behaviours that we don't ourselves relate to? I think so. I think more and more, people are losing patience with the things and people around them that they don't personally embrace. In don't believe that more and more intolerable things are around, but that there is less tolerance. The onlyvthingnthere is definitely more of of now is PEOPLE. And the result of that ought to be everyone taking a deep breathe and accepting the inevitable intrusion as best they can (within reason - I do not mean accept bullshit and rudeness. I'm not talking about rule-breaking and stuff that is disruptive). But instead, people are just kind of stewing about it. They are not necessarily adjusting to change or accepting differences, but instead resisting change or difference with irritation and frustration. In the end, that just harms that individual, makes them annoyed and feeling unsettled, with no way to change what is making them feel that way. It seems self-defeating to me. But there is certainly a fine line between what would be best to let live and what should be fought against... I think everyone needs to take the time to really step back and figure that out for themselves.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
phew! lots to read. Just posted my two bits and it was lost. Damn. Hotel servers anyway.
My two bits - again.
We can't always just live & let live. We are communal. Societal acceptance parameters constantly adapt to maintain harmonious balance within a society. For instance, luckily a societal group once, decided it was not acceptable to full-bore nose-drill in public! Apply this then, to techno-gadget use. Given time, what's acceptable will prevail but if we want to speed this process up a bit, all we have to do is voice in-unison what's not.
I suspect a 'live & let live mindset' helped usher in a passive state but consider, again because we are communal, ethics (societal acceptance) comes with an intent to apply basic common decencies. So like riotgirl said; she's 5'2'' and wants to see the show, not everyone's phone held high, simply means that although a 'live & let live' mindset has modified ethical expectations with a good dose of self-check humility, it does not mean we must passively allow our ethics to get trampled! Here's where I think we are now: moving from passivity to reaffirm that our ethics still matter...dammit!
Here's what I mean. Since only morons need reminded of basic common decency (as this comes naturally for the rest of us) riotgirl kindly asks said morons to put their phones down. ALL OTHERS MUST THEN STAND BY HER; ethics being the guiding light. With a bit of luck, but mostly with a united, unspoken backing, this expectation is conveyed without much ado & the morons will conform.
I had written (then lost it) about my greater concern which is fully integrated in this thread. But, I'm hungry so I'm not going to rewrite that part tonight. I'm off to find some dinner. Tomorrow though, I'm gonna chime in about that other two-bits here, as well as the other thread, the one about 'what we've learned at AMT.'
The one that ends with asking; do you feel AMT is ready to move on? These two threads are intricately intertwined. Communal animals communicate. That's what techno-toys help us do but beyond communication, we have an inner drive which compels us forward lest we passively stagnate. To this, just consider how lucky we are that this animal was long ago -- compelled to move beyond munching flees off one another!
Yikes. I am hungry!
Just want to reiterate that "live and let live" does not mean being cool with people doing whatever whenever. I personally just mean that sometimes people seem to really lack tolerance of other people and/or their ways of doing things. Of COURSE people acting like jerks and blocking views isn't okay, as I already said. But to get upset because other people aren't enjoying a concert as passionately as one thinks they ought to?? Getting mad about some squares of blue light scattered through a crowd? That just seems like intolerance to me, not simply expecting courtesy from others. As you say, we are in it together - we are communal. Son doesn't that that, to a certain extent, that we need to be tolerant and patient about those behaviours that we don't ourselves relate to? I think so. I think more and more, people are losing patience with the things and people around them that they don't personally embrace. In don't believe that more and more intolerable things are around, but that there is less tolerance.
The only thing there is definitely more of of now is PEOPLE. And the result of that ought to be everyone taking a deep breathe and accepting the inevitable intrusion as best they can (within reason - I do not mean accept bullshit and rudeness. I'm not talking about rule-breaking and stuff that is disruptive). But instead, people are just kind of stewing about it. They are not necessarily adjusting to change or accepting differences, but instead resisting change or difference with irritation and frustration. In the end, that just harms that individual, makes them annoyed and feeling unsettled, with no way to change what is making them feel that way. It seems self-defeating to me. But there is certainly a fine line between what would be best to let live and what should be fought against... I think everyone needs to take the time to really step back and figure that out for themselves.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It is about priorities, this mother chose to own a phone instead of pay for electricity and heat.
I think that speaks volumes of how ridiculous phone usage has become.
I think it's irrelevant. Bad mothers have been neglecting and endangering their kids forever. That this one happened to doing this time to charge a phone is neither here nor there. There is not an epidemic of mothers who would otherwise be attentive but are instead spending all their time leaving their kids to charge their phones. One single incident like the one you mention is meaningless because it doesn't apply to the rest of society. That she did that has no relation to what the rest of society is doing. Pretty sure most people are still putting their kids' lives before their cell phones! You may as well find a story about a mom who left her infant for 24 hours to go and have sex, and then say that it means sex has become a problem and that people's priorities are all screwed up. Find me 10 more stories about moms leaving their kids in danger to charge their phone, and then I will consider connecting the dots.
I guess you will focus on the bad mom part I will focus on the fact she has no heat and electricity
but she has a phone! Can we say priorities? This seems more than ridiculous to me.
And yes it was one incidence I thought of when I read through the thread...
what's it to ya? :?
I'm guilty of this at times...but mostly I get sucked into my phone when I'm waiting somewhere. It also gives me something to focus on in those social situations were I feel a little awkward or uncomfortable and is a great way to connect when I'm alone. I do find it useful for GPS (when I can figure out how to understand the damn directions :oops: ), book a reservation, find a movie time, etc. etc. However, sometimes I do want to chuck my phone out the window. I hate the expectation of being available all the time...sometimes it's nice to be inaccessible. I also find it infuriating when I'm out to dinner and someone can't stay off their phone.
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I feel this way particularly when I go to a show, and I can only wonder how the artists on stage feel. Why are people more focused on their mobile devices than the world? Why can't I go to a show and see the folks in the front few rows rocking out and getting lost in the music rather than texting or taking pictures? What happened to people that we are unable to tune in to what's in front of us rather than being lost in technology? And I do feel that it's also a generational thing.
Same goes for meeting celebrities. No longer are meet and greets about talking to your idols; it's become nothing but having tangible proof that you were in the same room together. I was at a meet and greet last week and no one said a word to the person I met; people were more interested in autographs and photos rather than actually asking how he was doing. And let me tell you, he was uncomfortable as hell being there, which is odd because he's so comfortable talking to people otherwise (you can't really shut him up, on stage and out and about).
So what's up with this bizarre behavior that everyone seems to participate in? People are just dying to "meet" members of the band but that only means having a physical piece of them? What happened to valuing the experience?
Jeanwah ah very nice post and questions....I can remember the first time I got a call from Michael Franti and I refused to believe it was him back in early 2004. It wasn't until his hoarse voice and that I knew he was about to go on a Jam cruise did I believe it was truly him on the phone. Anyway, I had only seen him once at that time, we spoke about that show in Baltimore and awesome the 3 hours plus was and he said it was best show they had on the Everyone Deserves Music tour. I kept my kool and spoke about when we might see each other again and I told him in 2 months for my birthday in March in Florida he told me we will have some fun with E and K.
That's where it started with our friendship and it took me over two years before I ever took a picture with him at an outdoor cafe in Camden, London. He was surprised to see me and HE wanted to take a picture, my friends and I helped with the equipment then went out and got lunch for the band, we later had a wonderful dinner later that evening. I think what I'm getting at is that Michael Franti a musical star around the world was drawn to me maybe that I treated not like a star, musical god type but just like an ordinary dude who has problems in relationships, within the band and everyday life like the rest of us. I think he really liked that and so everywhere he plays where I can attend he will always invite me into the shows. He loves to see regular familiar faces even though now ill take a few more pictures than I did in the past. He's a musical artist who doesn't mind taking pictures or signing autographs at all, most of them along with videos ill post on his website to help spread his music to his fans.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I feel this way particularly when I go to a show, and I can only wonder how the artists on stage feel. Why are people more focused on their mobile devices than the world? Why can't I go to a show and see the folks in the front few rows rocking out and getting lost in the music rather than texting or taking pictures? What happened to people that we are unable to tune in to what's in front of us rather than being lost in technology? And I do feel that it's also a generational thing.
Same goes for meeting celebrities. No longer are meet and greets about talking to your idols; it's become nothing but having tangible proof that you were in the same room together. I was at a meet and greet last week and no one said a word to the person I met; people were more interested in autographs and photos rather than actually asking how he was doing. And let me tell you, he was uncomfortable as hell being there, which is odd because he's so comfortable talking to people otherwise (you can't really shut him up, on stage and out and about).
So what's up with this bizarre behavior that everyone seems to participate in? People are just dying to "meet" members of the band but that only means having a physical piece of them? What happened to valuing the experience?
Jeanwah ah very nice post and questions....I can remember the first time I got a call from Michael Franti and I refused to believe it was him back in early 2004. It wasn't until his hoarse voice and that I knew he was about to go on a Jam cruise did I believe it was truly him on the phone. Anyway, I had only seen him once at that time, we spoke about that show in Baltimore and awesome the 3 hours plus was and he said it was best show they had on the Everyone Deserves Music tour. I kept my kool and spoke about when we might see each other again and I told him in 2 months for my birthday in March in Florida he told me we will have some fun with E and K.
That's where it started with our friendship and it took me over two years before I ever took a picture with him at an outdoor cafe in Camden, London. He was surprised to see me and HE wanted to take a picture, my friends and I helped with the equipment then went out and got lunch for the band, we later had a wonderful dinner later that evening. I think what I'm getting at is that Michael Franti a musical star around the world was drawn to me maybe that I treated not like a star, musical god type but just like an ordinary dude who has problems in relationships, within the band and everyday life like the rest of us. I think he really liked that and so everywhere he plays where I can attend he will always invite me into the shows. He loves to see regular familiar faces even though now ill take a few more pictures than I did in the past. He's a musical artist who doesn't mind taking pictures or signing autographs at all, most of them along with videos ill post on his website to help spread his music to his fans.
Peace
Awesome story about Michael G, especially that he sought you out and not the other way around! How often does that happen? And how's he doing lately? I've lost touch with what he's doing lately.
I admit that I wanted to meet members of RNDM the other night after seeing them, especially after hearing that they come out after the show to mingle. And I wasn't looking for photos or an autograph, I just wanted to talk with them, and let them know that I admire and appreciate their work. Talking with Joseph Arthur and Richard Stuverud (who is awesome) was more pleasurable than having an autograph or a photo with them. (Jeff Ament wouldn't come out)
I'm guilty of this at times...but mostly I get sucked into my phone when I'm waiting somewhere. It also gives me something to focus on in those social situations were I feel a little awkward or uncomfortable and is a great way to connect when I'm alone. I do find it useful for GPS (when I can figure out how to understand the damn directions :oops: ), book a reservation, find a movie time, etc. etc. However, sometimes I do want to chuck my phone out the window. I hate the expectation of being available all the time...sometimes it's nice to be inaccessible. I also find it infuriating when I'm out to dinner and someone can't stay off their phone.
I love having access to the internet and GPS wherever I am!!
I understand completely not wanting to always be accessible... I found a way to solve that expectation though. I hardly ever answer my phone. I let people leave a message and then I get back to them when I feel like it. That's what voicemail is for after all! Same with texts... i simply don't view them as things that necessarily require immediate response unless i feel like responding immediately. Doing this, it did not take long at all for people to get the message and realize that I am not, in fact, accessible 24/7!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm guilty of this at times...but mostly I get sucked into my phone when I'm waiting somewhere. It also gives me something to focus on in those social situations were I feel a little awkward or uncomfortable and is a great way to connect when I'm alone. I do find it useful for GPS (when I can figure out how to understand the damn directions :oops: ), book a reservation, find a movie time, etc. etc. However, sometimes I do want to chuck my phone out the window. I hate the expectation of being available all the time...sometimes it's nice to be inaccessible. I also find it infuriating when I'm out to dinner and someone can't stay off their phone.
I love having access to the internet and GPS wherever I am!!
I understand completely not wanting to always be accessible... I found a way to solve that expectation though. I hardly ever answer my phone. I let people leave a message and then I get back to them when I feel like it. That's what voicemail is for after all! Same with texts... i simply don't view them as things that necessarily require immediate response unless i feel like responding immediately. Doing this, it did not take long at all for people to get the message and realize that I am not, in fact, accessible 24/7!
I'm trying to get better about that. I have to have my phone on and with me 24/7 for work and the people close to me know that...but it doesn't mean I have to respond to their text/email/call but it does mean I have to admit I was purposely not answering/responding to them :shifty:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I'm trying to get better about that. I have to have my phone on and with me 24/7 for work and the people close to me know that...but it doesn't mean I have to respond to their text/email/call but it does mean I have to admit I was purposely not answering/responding to them :shifty:
See, that last part is crazy to me! I don't even offer excuses when I miss a call (though thankfully, my in/outbound calls are at a minimum :P )
Today, yet AGAIN, some distracted dipshit driver (how's that for alliteration!) came *this* close to sideswiping my car because they just had to focus on their phone instead of the road.
I'm all for Darwinism, but don't take my life out along with yours!
I feel this way particularly when I go to a show, and I can only wonder how the artists on stage feel. Why are people more focused on their mobile devices than the world? Why can't I go to a show and see the folks in the front few rows rocking out and getting lost in the music rather than texting or taking pictures? What happened to people that we are unable to tune in to what's in front of us rather than being lost in technology? And I do feel that it's also a generational thing.
Same goes for meeting celebrities. No longer are meet and greets about talking to your idols; it's become nothing but having tangible proof that you were in the same room together. I was at a meet and greet last week and no one said a word to the person I met; people were more interested in autographs and photos rather than actually asking how he was doing. And let me tell you, he was uncomfortable as hell being there, which is odd because he's so comfortable talking to people otherwise (you can't really shut him up, on stage and out and about).
So what's up with this bizarre behavior that everyone seems to participate in? People are just dying to "meet" members of the band but that only means having a physical piece of them? What happened to valuing the experience?
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bummer. Hate to see this thread ended on a don't give a fuck note.
I'd promised to post my two-bits tonight and I hate not delivering but my two-bits have been maxed out.
I'll try a stab at it again tomorrow. night.
I'm trying to get better about that. I have to have my phone on and with me 24/7 for work and the people close to me know that...but it doesn't mean I have to respond to their text/email/call but it does mean I have to admit I was purposely not answering/responding to them :shifty:
See, that last part is crazy to me! I don't even offer excuses when I miss a call (though thankfully, my in/outbound calls are at a minimum :P )
Today, yet AGAIN, some distracted dipshit driver (how's that for alliteration!) came *this* close to sideswiping my car because they just had to focus on their phone instead of the road.
I'm all for Darwinism, but don't take my life out along with yours!
I know...I'm getting better about it. I just have to be conscientious about responding ASAP for work, so sometimes it's hard to switch gears in my personal life...it's a work in progress :P
and yeah...nothing drives me crazier than seeing someone swerving all over the road because they are glued to their phone. Even worse is being a passenger in the car of a driver who is doing this...I've been known to pull the phone right out of their hand in toss it in the glove box :x
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Never mind. You obviously are not even attempting to understand where I'm coming from. And you want to know what can unify us? A little bit of understanding.
I get where you're coming from with the live and let live, let anyone do what they please, but I'm trying to get the idea across that technology has its place, but not really when they are nothing but a distraction for the rest of us. But I really feel that you are not understanding what I am trying to get across. Again, did you read the whole thread?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
maybe you have had different circumstances to have lead u up to how u feel
i've seen 30+ shows a year for the last 12 years. clubs and stadiums
it's never bothered me once. never have i had to say "stop it" re cameras cell phones
in fact, most people i run into are respectful of others, but i don't live in nyc
maybe i am missing the point and also maybe i choose to not let things bother me as much as others
Do me a favor. Read the whole thread.
My two bits - again.
We can't always just live & let live. We are communal. Societal acceptance parameters constantly adapt to maintain harmonious balance within a society. For instance, luckily a societal group once, decided it was not acceptable to full-bore nose-drill in public! Apply this then, to techno-gadget use. Given time, what's acceptable will prevail but if we want to speed this process up a bit, all we have to do is voice in-unison what's not.
I suspect a 'live & let live mindset' helped usher in a passive state but consider, again because we are communal, ethics (societal acceptance) comes with an intent to apply basic common decencies. So like riotgirl said; she's 5'2'' and wants to see the show, not everyone's phone held high, simply means that although a 'live & let live' mindset has modified ethical expectations with a good dose of self-check humility, it does not mean we must passively allow our ethics to get trampled! Here's where I think we are now: moving from passivity to reaffirm that our ethics still matter...dammit!
Here's what I mean. Since only morons need reminded of basic common decency (as this comes naturally for the rest of us) riotgirl kindly asks said morons to put their phones down. ALL OTHERS MUST THEN STAND BY HER; ethics being the guiding light. With a bit of luck, but mostly with a united, unspoken backing, this expectation is conveyed without much ado & the morons will conform.
I had written (then lost it) about my greater concern which is fully integrated in this thread. But, I'm hungry so I'm not going to rewrite that part tonight. I'm off to find some dinner. Tomorrow though, I'm gonna chime in about that other two-bits here, as well as the other thread, the one about 'what we've learned at AMT.'
The one that ends with asking; do you feel AMT is ready to move on? These two threads are intricately intertwined. Communal animals communicate. That's what techno-toys help us do but beyond communication, we have an inner drive which compels us forward lest we passively stagnate. To this, just consider how lucky we are that this animal was long ago -- compelled to move beyond munching flees off one another!
Yikes. I am hungry!
The only thing there is definitely more of of now is PEOPLE. And the result of that ought to be everyone taking a deep breathe and accepting the inevitable intrusion as best they can (within reason - I do not mean accept bullshit and rudeness. I'm not talking about rule-breaking and stuff that is disruptive). But instead, people are just kind of stewing about it. They are not necessarily adjusting to change or accepting differences, but instead resisting change or difference with irritation and frustration. In the end, that just harms that individual, makes them annoyed and feeling unsettled, with no way to change what is making them feel that way. It seems self-defeating to me. But there is certainly a fine line between what would be best to let live and what should be fought against... I think everyone needs to take the time to really step back and figure that out for themselves.
but she has a phone! Can we say priorities? This seems more than ridiculous to me.
And yes it was one incidence I thought of when I read through the thread...
what's it to ya? :?
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Jeanwah ah very nice post and questions....I can remember the first time I got a call from Michael Franti and I refused to believe it was him back in early 2004. It wasn't until his hoarse voice and that I knew he was about to go on a Jam cruise did I believe it was truly him on the phone. Anyway, I had only seen him once at that time, we spoke about that show in Baltimore and awesome the 3 hours plus was and he said it was best show they had on the Everyone Deserves Music tour. I kept my kool and spoke about when we might see each other again and I told him in 2 months for my birthday in March in Florida he told me we will have some fun with E and K.
That's where it started with our friendship and it took me over two years before I ever took a picture with him at an outdoor cafe in Camden, London. He was surprised to see me and HE wanted to take a picture, my friends and I helped with the equipment then went out and got lunch for the band, we later had a wonderful dinner later that evening. I think what I'm getting at is that Michael Franti a musical star around the world was drawn to me maybe that I treated not like a star, musical god type but just like an ordinary dude who has problems in relationships, within the band and everyday life like the rest of us. I think he really liked that and so everywhere he plays where I can attend he will always invite me into the shows. He loves to see regular familiar faces even though now ill take a few more pictures than I did in the past. He's a musical artist who doesn't mind taking pictures or signing autographs at all, most of them along with videos ill post on his website to help spread his music to his fans.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Awesome story about Michael G, especially that he sought you out and not the other way around! How often does that happen? And how's he doing lately? I've lost touch with what he's doing lately.
I admit that I wanted to meet members of RNDM the other night after seeing them, especially after hearing that they come out after the show to mingle. And I wasn't looking for photos or an autograph, I just wanted to talk with them, and let them know that I admire and appreciate their work. Talking with Joseph Arthur and Richard Stuverud (who is awesome) was more pleasurable than having an autograph or a photo with them. (Jeff Ament wouldn't come out)
I understand completely not wanting to always be accessible... I found a way to solve that expectation though. I hardly ever answer my phone. I let people leave a message and then I get back to them when I feel like it. That's what voicemail is for after all! Same with texts... i simply don't view them as things that necessarily require immediate response unless i feel like responding immediately. Doing this, it did not take long at all for people to get the message and realize that I am not, in fact, accessible 24/7!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Today, yet AGAIN, some distracted dipshit driver (how's that for alliteration!) came *this* close to sideswiping my car because they just had to focus on their phone instead of the road.
I'm all for Darwinism, but don't take my life out along with yours!
My take... to show what a great life i have... look at me... here is where I am at... here is who I am with... here is what I am about to eat...
Bottom line, i don't really give a fuck.
Hail, Hail!!!
I'd promised to post my two-bits tonight and I hate not delivering but my two-bits have been maxed out.
I'll try a stab at it again tomorrow. night.
and yeah...nothing drives me crazier than seeing someone swerving all over the road because they are glued to their phone. Even worse is being a passenger in the car of a driver who is doing this...I've been known to pull the phone right out of their hand in toss it in the glove box :x
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"