How the World would vote in this election

Zoso

MayDay10 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.

My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.

same with my people in Australia..

Go Beavers

Zoso wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.

My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.

same with my people in Australia..

I'm trying to figure out why it's close, too.

polaris_x

it's pretty obvious why this election is close ...

fife

fear4freedom wrote:

Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

What makes you think that countries don't want you to be strong? I just think some countries have a different view point of what strong means. I don't think many countries will care if you build your military as long as it is not meant to attack them. Lets be honest, America is not well liked for many reason but 1 major reason you might be disliked is due to some of the things that America has done.

Do you really think Canada doesn't want America to be strong? your are largest trading partner and you don't buy from us if you are not doing well.

America has to get over this idea that everyone in the whole world is against them.

pjl44

Drowned Out wrote:

pjl44 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I would think that Pakistan would appreciate that Obama has pledged more to flood relief then their own government has.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-outspends-islamabad-flood-relief-pakistan-133504083.html

I guess the drone strikes and military presence cheese them off more than a stack of cash makes up for. Weird.

Shocking, isn’t it?
Animosity over remote control planes killing THOUSANDS of your citizens with no accountability….
If you consider that the aid sent can be blended easily into military operations (it was not donated to the official relief effort) – bridge building and infrastructure used to improve supply routes to Afghanistan and Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan, etc….and that this crisis also served as an excuse to increase military presence in the country.
Then take into consideration that instead of aid in the form of debt relief, Hilary Clinton insisted that taxes be raised as a condition of aid.... knowing full well that tax money goes to repayment of debts the citizens had no hand in accepting, with no visible benefit to anyone but an elite minority…While simultaneously hearing about more IMF and World Bank ‘aid’ loans for this crisis – at interest of course, perpetuating the cycle…(Shock Doctrine/Disaster Capitalism anyone?).
If you consider the studies that put blame for the weather patterns that caused the floods at the feet of industrialized nations' emissions....and the extent of the flooding also blamed on deforestation that was likely a condition of the loans mentioned above....
And if you consider the accusations from activists, that the US military had intentionally breeched levees, flooding out millions of people, in order to protect a drone base which they deny the existence of (http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/13/t ... strophe_to ) ....
Ya….It’s shocking that the Pakistani people aren't big Obama fans.

No room for nuance here, friend. Sign up for your script and take a side. Go team go!

fear4freedom

Many of you wonder how the election is close, I wonder myself in the opposite way! Guess what fellow PJ fans, Obama has implemented many of Bush's policies that you did not like when Bush was in office! You complained of Bush overspending, starting two wars, implementing the patriot act, talking tough on Islamic Extremists and enhanced interrogations. .....well lets take a look at what Obama has done .....

He has also started war in Libya, with no approval, and could not protect our Ambassador all while misrepresenting the people on what is actually taking place there. He has spent much more than Bush. He has not shut down GITMO as promised, he has gone into Pakistan and drone struck in that country with no approval. Obama has expanded the patriot act on foreign and domestic targets and private citizens, Obama has also "spiked the football" and talked tough on Extremists in front of a microphone which has made terrorists mad. Obama has not been transparent on many issues, as the matter of fact he has been the opposite of what he ran on. How can you question why this election is close?

Guess what....the election is not going to be close....Romney will win bigger than you think!

How can you not criticize Obama when you HANG Bush for the same things?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

fear4freedom wrote:

Many of you wonder how the election is close, I wonder myself in the opposite way!

Do you think you needed to state this?

moretonbayfig

I think that the 'rest of the world' are familiar with, and comfortable with 'big government' and the 'welfare state'.. my impression is that many US-Americans equate these things with communism, socialism and/or Marxism? As an outsider, I would place Obama's politics to the the right of 'moderate'... by no means left-wing. The notion of the 'more fortunate' helping the 'less fortunate' with housing, food and health care seems a Christian one to me. The way I see it, the 'rest of the world' aren't "jealous" or "hateful" towards the US - we just love and want to preserve our culture(s) too. US-American culture is part of our shared Western-world subconsciousness too, for better and for worse.

redrock

Zoso wrote:

MayDay10 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.

My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.

same with my people in Australia..

I think that, in general, americans are just way too insular. It's all about 'us', 'our' finances, 'our' business, 'our' manufacturing, etc. So a president/potential president talking about 'us' and 'our' and forget about 'them' - we don't need them (unless it's to go to war with them or stop them from having nuclear energy) may be listened to (eg - he will be good for the country...) and be seen as a good 'leader', someone who will sort things out. Americans aren't really interested in foreign policy (or do not really understand what it's all about), etc. What this fails to do is look at the bigger picture and see what impact 'them' has on their economy, etc. Big mistake in this world of global economy.

Maybe this is where the 'rest of the world' has a clearer view. 'Smaller' countries need to see things differently. For me, this what could explain Obama's run away lead outside the US - he is seen as someone whom one can deal with, someone with a certain aplomb and understanding of the world, a moderate who can appeal to all parties. Romney sure doesn't project that kind of confidence (his recent 'tour' of Europe proving the point)!

Having lived, worked and voted in both the US and various European countries, this is how I see it.

pandora

After reading this thread I'm thinking the best way for the world to like us
is to keep a Democratic Pres so we lean more towards what others believe
and have and think we should have.

Too bad that might not be what we want or what is best for US.
Especially looking around the world at some of the examples.

America is a leader not a follower. It was born to be and why it was born at all.

know1

The fact that the rest of the world thinks so far differently from the US reinforces my decision so far to remain here. As bad as it is here, it's still worse most other places. Someday that might not be the case anymore, but until then I guess I'll stay put.

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

After reading this thread I'm thinking the best way for the world to like us
is to keep a Democratic Pres so we lean more towards what others believe
and have and think we should have.

Too bad that might not be what we want or what is best for US.
Especially looking around the world at some of the examples.

America is a leader not a follower. It was born to be and why it was born at all.

pandora ,before college you need to go to kindengarden,highschool..etc...if you know what i mean...

noone was born Profesor..noone was born and know everything..

noone was born General..start from the smallest rank as officer..

sorry,even if me as person have positive idea about Usa,and i have alot people i care and love at usa...

i cant ignore that at the rest of the world,alot think America give to the world,technology and wars...
and thats all...

and isnt their fault that they believe this.....

pandora

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

After reading this thread I'm thinking the best way for the world to like us
is to keep a Democratic Pres so we lean more towards what others believe
and have and think we should have.

Too bad that might not be what we want or what is best for US.
Especially looking around the world at some of the examples.

America is a leader not a follower. It was born to be and why it was born at all.

pandora ,before college you need to go to kindengarden,highschool..etc...if you know what i mean...

noone was born Profesor..noone was born and know everything..

noone was born General..start from the smallest rank as officer..

sorry,even if me as person have positive idea about Usa,and i have alot people i care and love at usa...

i cant ignore that at the rest of the world,alot think America give to the world,technology and wars...
and thats all...

and isnt their fault that they believe this.....

Yes, I have said this before, America is very young,
think of us as the obnoxious two year old in the big history
of this world

American was born to lead why we are a super power,
it was the intention, in my opinion, when it was created or soon thereafter.

We gotta a lot of learning to do but I don't necessarily think a Democratic President
is the correct learning or leaning as we see in other parts of the world.
Maybe we all can learn from the mistakes of others and of course from our own.

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

After reading this thread I'm thinking the best way for the world to like us
is to keep a Democratic Pres so we lean more towards what others believe
and have and think we should have.

Too bad that might not be what we want or what is best for US.
Especially looking around the world at some of the examples.

America is a leader not a follower. It was born to be and why it was born at all.

pandora ,before college you need to go to kindengarden,highschool..etc...if you know what i mean...

noone was born Profesor..noone was born and know everything..

noone was born General..start from the smallest rank as officer..

sorry,even if me as person have positive idea about Usa,and i have alot people i care and love at usa...

i cant ignore that at the rest of the world,alot think America give to the world,technology and wars...
and thats all...

and isnt their fault that they believe this.....

Yes, I have said this before, America is very young,
think of us as the obnoxious two year old in the big history
of this world

American was born to lead why we are a super power,
it was the intention, in my opinion, when it was created or soon thereafter.

We gotta a lot of learning to do but I don't necessarily think a Democratic President
is the correct learning or leaning as we see in other parts of the world.
Maybe we all can learn from the mistakes of others and of course from our own.

now you mention that..and nothing to do if its democrat,or republicant,i think the rest of the world "feels" better with Obama as president at usa..i really dont know the reason.i cant tell cos of his politics...but i can tell from the atmoshere i catch around..he seems the most "friendly kind of president"..his image isnt a hostile one as alot felt with previous presidents..

is like Kennedy ...i dont have a clue of his politics,or if he was a good president or whatever....but of what happened to him,everybody has a respect,they liked him..

pandora

dimitrispearljam wrote:

now you mention that..and nothing to do if its democrat,or republicant,i think the rest of the world "feels" better with Obama as president at usa..i really dont know the reason.i cant tell cos of his politics...but i can tell from the atmoshere i catch around..he seems the most "friendly kind of president"..his image isnt a hostile one as alot felt with previous presidents..

is like Kennedy ...i dont have a clue of his politics,or if he was a good president or whatever....but of what happened to him,everybody has a respect,they liked him..

I agree on all points why this has been a hard election to choose for me.
He's a great speaker, looks wonderful, likable, cool,
but you know that does not make a good leader.
Might make a good leader of someone else's country but not your own.

Being a hard ass ain't all bad.

redrock

Ironically, a quick glance at the countries listed in the OP, the large majority are politically positioned to the right, either firmly to the right or centre-right. One would therefore think these countries should 'support' a candidate for the right, shouldn't they? Goes to show there is more to this than party divides. Seems that Romney is not seen as a global leader (for, as some want to say, a country that likes to see itself as a leader the the world). Leading a country includes it's positioning in the world (wherever this may be). Reality check.

pandora

isn't right left and left right in many other countries? :?

just heard on the way in to work some Independent fella say on the news...
he can't decide...
he doesn't like either candidate why its a hard decision this election...

yep spot on.

Equal amount of suckiness they are

redrock

pandora wrote:

isn't right left and left right in many other countries? :?

:?
Ummm.... left is left and right is right - everywhere.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Some people in this thread need to get over themselves.

The world doesn't envy the US or hope for their demise. World affairs concern everyone because they affect everyone. Civil unrest in Greece is uncool. A tsunami in Japan is terrible. Earthquakes in India suck. A presidential election in a country that is a major player on the international scene- where nearly half the people are looking like they might elect a narcissist- is concerning.

hostis

firstly the survey was paid for by obama people so of course it would be weighted in his favour.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i expect that at European countires..i thought will be more close at UK..

I very much doubt that completely. I cant see anyone but Obama if it was here. Romney came here and slagged off the olympics for a start which put a lot of peoples back up.... then the fact he is against 'Obamacare' - if ANY politician in the UK said they wanted to get rid of the NHS they would never ever win - so thats just 2 bits....

personally. and purely personal, if romney wins I think its all over. From what I have seen, and again its purely personal, i do not like him at all, think he is a lying conniving waster, was pro vietnam but used religion to avoid going himself, has been wishy washy on foreign policy, wont publish his taxes, has made it obvious the rich sould earn more and many more personal reasons.