How the World would vote in this election

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fear4freedom wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advanItsce our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

No you're dead right, we're all against you. It's been a conspiracy from the start. Bloody Canadians with all that red in their flag, what's all that about?

Most of these countries would be considered strong allies but hey whatever.

You did not answer the questions. You are all for us when you need us, but there is a certain level of anti-Americanism in the sense that most nations just want America to be one level above them, not many levels above them. Many nations want us to remain just within reach, but never too far ahead. Also, many of those nations listed would love for us to have a "wake up call". I also think some would like us to fall, altogether! You dont think that? You just think that all these nations want us to be stronger than ever? LOL Its like you and your best friend when you were growing up.....you were kinda happy for him when he could bench press 300lbs, but not so happy when he landed all the girls! Another analogy could be when we got hit on 9/11, im sure countries like Russia and China were calling us with their condolences, but had a sense of "joy" when they were hanging up the phone.

Most nations want America to be one level above them but not a lot of levels above them.

That is awesome.

Zoso

I can't believe people think America is above other countries especially other westernized anglo countries :fp: :fp: :fp: that is an issue.

fear4freedom

Zoso wrote:

I can't believe people think America is above other countries especially other westernized anglo countries :fp: :fp: :fp: that is an issue.

Like i said, we will be there to defend you and help you in an instant when extremists try to hurt you!
Ok so these other countries that you speak of, they do what we do? on the level that we do it?

Zoso

fear4freedom wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I can't believe people think America is above other countries especially other westernized anglo countries :fp: :fp: :fp: that is an issue.

Like i said, we will be there to defend you and help you in an instant when extremists try to hurt you!
Ok so these other countries that you speak of, they do what we do? on the level that we do it?

that's because America is a larger country then Australia, Canada etc... doesn't mean USA is better or above anyone else.. does it?

fear4freedom

Zoso wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I can't believe people think America is above other countries especially other westernized anglo countries :fp: :fp: :fp: that is an issue.

Like i said, we will be there to defend you and help you in an instant when extremists try to hurt you!
Ok so these other countries that you speak of, they do what we do? on the level that we do it?

that's because America is a larger country then Australia, Canada etc... doesn't mean USA is better or above anyone else.. does it?

Well China, Russia and Canada are all larger then USA, you want the world to be modeled after RUSSIA?
To be honest....people are all the same as individuals and noone is better than anyone else. USA is unique and does have a unique role in this world in which we live!

Zoso

per land mass canada is large.. I meant by population obviously and military size... Australia is the same size as the USA with a lot less people... I meant by population of course. I don't want the world modeled after Russoa, China or the USA.. Many european countries, canada, new zealand and australia have got it right.

dimitrispearljam

fear4freedom wrote:

Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

yeah..polish ,spanish ,Australian people..from the moment they woke in the morning the first and only think how to destroy America...
the most of those countries are Allies to Usa,they even bomb together with usa their "enemies"...

stop searching evil and enemies out of your boarders....the problem is inside...

that control your minds with guided media..and people think Paris is the capital of India...

culture,history,civilization, cant build with guns,smart bombs... CNN..burgers and diet coke

polaris_x

Zoso wrote:

per land mass canada is large.. I meant by population obviously and military size... Australia is the same size as the USA with a lot less people... I meant by population of course. I don't want the world modeled after Russoa, China or the USA.. Many european countries, canada, new zealand and australia have got it right.

sorry ... canada has gone pear shaped ... best to use other countries ...

Zoso

polaris_x wrote:

Zoso wrote:

per land mass canada is large.. I meant by population obviously and military size... Australia is the same size as the USA with a lot less people... I meant by population of course. I don't want the world modeled after Russoa, China or the USA.. Many european countries, canada, new zealand and australia have got it right.

sorry ... canada has gone pear shaped ... best to use other countries ...

ok I will stick with Australia and New Zealand

MotoDC

Zoso wrote:

I can't believe people think America is above other countries especially other westernized anglo countries :fp: :fp: :fp: that is an issue.

Didn't you just say that you think your country is better than America? Ah yes:

zoso wrote:

well countries like Australia etc aren't against the USA.. we believe we're a better nation then America..

So you think it's an issue that some Americans think America is "above other countries" while simultaneously believing that your country is better than America? Interesting.

pandora

fear4freedom wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advanItsce our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

No you're dead right, we're all against you. It's been a conspiracy from the start. Bloody Canadians with all that red in their flag, what's all that about?

Most of these countries would be considered strong allies but hey whatever.

You did not answer the questions. You are all for us when you need us, but there is a certain level of anti-Americanism in the sense that most nations just want America to be one level above them, not many levels above them. Many nations want us to remain just within reach, but never too far ahead. Also, many of those nations listed would love for us to have a "wake up call". I also think some would like us to fall, altogether! You dont think that? You just think that all these nations want us to be stronger than ever? LOL Its like you and your best friend when you were growing up.....you were kinda happy for him when he could bench press 300lbs, but not so happy when he landed all the girls! Another analogy could be when we got hit on 9/11, im sure countries like Russia and China were calling us with their condolences, but had a sense of "joy" when they were hanging up the phone.

yes I sense that too and even here in PJ land.

I think it's human nature to dislike the new kid,
most especially a new rich kid who tries too hard.
Some hate, some fear, some are jealous, some are just too different in mindset
to understand and some heaven forbid are just plain prejudice.

Drowned Out

pjl44 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I would think that Pakistan would appreciate that Obama has pledged more to flood relief then their own government has.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-outspends-islamabad-flood-relief-pakistan-133504083.html

I guess the drone strikes and military presence cheese them off more than a stack of cash makes up for. Weird.

Shocking, isn’t it?
Animosity over remote control planes killing THOUSANDS of your citizens with no accountability….
If you consider that the aid sent can be blended easily into military operations (it was not donated to the official relief effort) – bridge building and infrastructure used to improve supply routes to Afghanistan and Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan, etc….and that this crisis also served as an excuse to increase military presence in the country.
Then take into consideration that instead of aid in the form of debt relief, Hilary Clinton insisted that taxes be raised as a condition of aid.... knowing full well that tax money goes to repayment of debts the citizens had no hand in accepting, with no visible benefit to anyone but an elite minority…While simultaneously hearing about more IMF and World Bank ‘aid’ loans for this crisis – at interest of course, perpetuating the cycle…(Shock Doctrine/Disaster Capitalism anyone?).
If you consider the studies that put blame for the weather patterns that caused the floods at the feet of industrialized nations' emissions....and the extent of the flooding also blamed on deforestation that was likely a condition of the loans mentioned above....
And if you consider the accusations from activists, that the US military had intentionally breeched levees, flooding out millions of people, in order to protect a drone base which they deny the existence of (http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/13/t ... strophe_to ) ....
Ya….It’s shocking that the Pakistani people aren't big Obama fans.

Drowned Out

fear4freedom wrote:

You did not answer the questions. You are all for us when you need us, but there is a certain level of anti-Americanism in the sense that most nations just want America to be one level above them, not many levels above them. Many nations want us to remain just within reach, but never too far ahead. Also, many of those nations listed would love for us to have a "wake up call". I also think some would like us to fall, altogether! You dont think that? You just think that all these nations want us to be stronger than ever? LOL Its like you and your best friend when you were growing up.....you were kinda happy for him when he could bench press 300lbs, but not so happy when he landed all the girls! Another analogy could be when we got hit on 9/11, im sure countries like Russia and China were calling us with their condolences, but had a sense of "joy" when they were hanging up the phone.

comedy. yes, your allies would vote Obama, not because they think he'd be better for your country, but because we want to see you fail....nothing to do with the foreign policy that actually affects the countries in question. So typical...paranoid narcissism.
And I hate to break it to ya....but states can't feel emotion. So I'm guessing Russia and China weren't secretly happy about 9/11 :roll: But I realize it makes the world an easier place to understand when you can make blanket statements like that. No sane person had a secret sense of joy. Come on.

brianlux

fear4freedom wrote:

Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.

Moonpig

fear4freedom wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advanItsce our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

No you're dead right, we're all against you. It's been a conspiracy from the start. Bloody Canadians with all that red in their flag, what's all that about?

Most of these countries would be considered strong allies but hey whatever.

You did not answer the questions. You are all for us when you need us, but there is a certain level of anti-Americanism in the sense that most nations just want America to be one level above them, not many levels above them. Many nations want us to remain just within reach, but never too far ahead. Also, many of those nations listed would love for us to have a "wake up call". I also think some would like us to fall, altogether! You dont think that? You just think that all these nations want us to be stronger than ever? LOL Its like you and your best friend when you were growing up.....you were kinda happy for him when he could bench press 300lbs, but not so happy when he landed all the girls! Another analogy could be when we got hit on 9/11, im sure countries like Russia and China were calling us with their condolences, but had a sense of "joy" when they were hanging up the phone.

You have me pegged. LOL.

Jesus is this what passes for reasoned debate these days? Shocking attempt at logic. Another thing, why is anyone with an opinion that does not marry up to your own get accused of being anti american?

I do not believe America is neccessarily exceptional at many things, I admire many things about America, but some of you really need to get over yourselves, many other countries have contributed much much more to world culture.

This Act Of Valor approach to how you view your country and the role you think it plays in the world is just plain silly.

You were attacked by terrorists, so have many many many other countries, terror didn't begin on 9-11. Time to stop using it as an excuse for all the reprehensible acts perpetrated by others in your name.

Oh and another little tid bit I find ironic, America has funded terrorist groups.

Zoso

I will speak about me personally.. I'm not anti-american I love this country but I hate the notion that SOME Americans have that they have the best country in the world (in regards to health care, quality of life, education) when it is far from it. Ofcourse the world isn't going to want a Bush like president again.. he isn't likeable, compassionate or the right person to lead the free world. Bush was hated like no one else in Australia and the world.. Romney would be a bad choice internationally.

dimitrispearljam

Drowned Out wrote:

[. No sane person had a secret sense of joy. Come on.

ofcourse...i agree 100%..i said it alot of time in this forum..

9/11 was an attack to all of us ..that have this "west" type of life..

Zoso

MotoDC wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I can't believe people think America is above other countries especially other westernized anglo countries :fp: :fp: :fp: that is an issue.

Didn't you just say that you think your country is better than America? Ah yes:

zoso wrote:

well countries like Australia etc aren't against the USA.. we believe we're a better nation then America..

So you think it's an issue that some Americans think America is "above other countries" while simultaneously believing that your country is better than America? Interesting.

ok you got me there.. my point is America isn't unequivocally the best country in the world.. every country has flaws and America has many.

MayDay10

brianlux wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.

My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.

dimitrispearljam

MayDay10 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.

My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.

the rest of the world are sure Obama will win this..