How the World would vote in this election

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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Moonpig wrote:
    Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advanItsce our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

    No you're dead right, we're all against you. It's been a conspiracy from the start. Bloody Canadians with all that red in their flag, what's all that about?

    Most of these countries would be considered strong allies but hey whatever.

    You did not answer the questions. You are all for us when you need us, but there is a certain level of anti-Americanism in the sense that most nations just want America to be one level above them, not many levels above them. Many nations want us to remain just within reach, but never too far ahead. Also, many of those nations listed would love for us to have a "wake up call". I also think some would like us to fall, altogether! You dont think that? You just think that all these nations want us to be stronger than ever? LOL Its like you and your best friend when you were growing up.....you were kinda happy for him when he could bench press 300lbs, but not so happy when he landed all the girls! Another analogy could be when we got hit on 9/11, im sure countries like Russia and China were calling us with their condolences, but had a sense of "joy" when they were hanging up the phone.
    yes I sense that too and even here in PJ land.

    I think it's human nature to dislike the new kid,
    most especially a new rich kid who tries too hard.
    Some hate, some fear, some are jealous, some are just too different in mindset
    to understand and some heaven forbid are just plain prejudice.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    pjl44 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    I would think that Pakistan would appreciate that Obama has pledged more to flood relief then their own government has.

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-outspends-islamabad-flood-relief-pakistan-133504083.html
    I guess the drone strikes and military presence cheese them off more than a stack of cash makes up for. Weird.
    Shocking, isn’t it?
    Animosity over remote control planes killing THOUSANDS of your citizens with no accountability….
    If you consider that the aid sent can be blended easily into military operations (it was not donated to the official relief effort) – bridge building and infrastructure used to improve supply routes to Afghanistan and Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan, etc….and that this crisis also served as an excuse to increase military presence in the country.
    Then take into consideration that instead of aid in the form of debt relief, Hilary Clinton insisted that taxes be raised as a condition of aid.... knowing full well that tax money goes to repayment of debts the citizens had no hand in accepting, with no visible benefit to anyone but an elite minority…While simultaneously hearing about more IMF and World Bank ‘aid’ loans for this crisis – at interest of course, perpetuating the cycle…(Shock Doctrine/Disaster Capitalism anyone?).
    If you consider the studies that put blame for the weather patterns that caused the floods at the feet of industrialized nations' emissions....and the extent of the flooding also blamed on deforestation that was likely a condition of the loans mentioned above....
    And if you consider the accusations from activists, that the US military had intentionally breeched levees, flooding out millions of people, in order to protect a drone base which they deny the existence of (http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/13/t ... strophe_to ) ....
    Ya….It’s shocking that the Pakistani people aren't big Obama fans.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056

    You did not answer the questions. You are all for us when you need us, but there is a certain level of anti-Americanism in the sense that most nations just want America to be one level above them, not many levels above them. Many nations want us to remain just within reach, but never too far ahead. Also, many of those nations listed would love for us to have a "wake up call". I also think some would like us to fall, altogether! You dont think that? You just think that all these nations want us to be stronger than ever? LOL Its like you and your best friend when you were growing up.....you were kinda happy for him when he could bench press 300lbs, but not so happy when he landed all the girls! Another analogy could be when we got hit on 9/11, im sure countries like Russia and China were calling us with their condolences, but had a sense of "joy" when they were hanging up the phone.
    comedy. yes, your allies would vote Obama, not because they think he'd be better for your country, but because we want to see you fail....nothing to do with the foreign policy that actually affects the countries in question. So typical...paranoid narcissism.
    And I hate to break it to ya....but states can't feel emotion. So I'm guessing Russia and China weren't secretly happy about 9/11 :roll: But I realize it makes the world an easier place to understand when you can make blanket statements like that. No sane person had a secret sense of joy. Come on.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,409
    Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

    I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.
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  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    Moonpig wrote:
    Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advanItsce our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

    No you're dead right, we're all against you. It's been a conspiracy from the start. Bloody Canadians with all that red in their flag, what's all that about?

    Most of these countries would be considered strong allies but hey whatever.

    You did not answer the questions. You are all for us when you need us, but there is a certain level of anti-Americanism in the sense that most nations just want America to be one level above them, not many levels above them. Many nations want us to remain just within reach, but never too far ahead. Also, many of those nations listed would love for us to have a "wake up call". I also think some would like us to fall, altogether! You dont think that? You just think that all these nations want us to be stronger than ever? LOL Its like you and your best friend when you were growing up.....you were kinda happy for him when he could bench press 300lbs, but not so happy when he landed all the girls! Another analogy could be when we got hit on 9/11, im sure countries like Russia and China were calling us with their condolences, but had a sense of "joy" when they were hanging up the phone.

    You have me pegged. LOL.

    Jesus is this what passes for reasoned debate these days? Shocking attempt at logic. Another thing, why is anyone with an opinion that does not marry up to your own get accused of being anti american?

    I do not believe America is neccessarily exceptional at many things, I admire many things about America, but some of you really need to get over yourselves, many other countries have contributed much much more to world culture.

    This Act Of Valor approach to how you view your country and the role you think it plays in the world is just plain silly.

    You were attacked by terrorists, so have many many many other countries, terror didn't begin on 9-11. Time to stop using it as an excuse for all the reprehensible acts perpetrated by others in your name.

    Oh and another little tid bit I find ironic, America has funded terrorist groups. :o
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    I will speak about me personally.. I'm not anti-american I love this country but I hate the notion that SOME Americans have that they have the best country in the world (in regards to health care, quality of life, education) when it is far from it. Ofcourse the world isn't going to want a Bush like president again.. he isn't likeable, compassionate or the right person to lead the free world. Bush was hated like no one else in Australia and the world.. Romney would be a bad choice internationally.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • [. No sane person had a secret sense of joy. Come on.
    ofcourse...i agree 100%..i said it alot of time in this forum..

    9/11 was an attack to all of us ..that have this "west" type of life..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    MotoDC wrote:
    Zoso wrote:
    I can't believe people think America is above other countries especially other westernized anglo countries :fp: :fp: :fp: that is an issue.
    Didn't you just say that you think your country is better than America? Ah yes:
    zoso wrote:
    well countries like Australia etc aren't against the USA.. we believe we're a better nation then America..
    So you think it's an issue that some Americans think America is "above other countries" while simultaneously believing that your country is better than America? Interesting.

    ok you got me there.. my point is America isn't unequivocally the best country in the world.. every country has flaws and America has many.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • MayDay10MayDay10 Posts: 11,749
    brianlux wrote:
    Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

    I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.


    My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.
  • MayDay10 wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

    I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.


    My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.
    the rest of the world are sure Obama will win this..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    MayDay10 wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

    I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.


    My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.

    same with my people in Australia..
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,190
    Zoso wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    brianlux wrote:

    I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.


    My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.

    same with my people in Australia..

    I'm trying to figure out why it's close, too.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it's pretty obvious why this election is close ...
  • fifefife Posts: 3,327
    Does anyone here believe that these countries want us to be strong and get stronger? Do you think they want us to protect our borders, advance our ideals, project our influence, build our military, strengthen our dollar and fly our flag with more pride than each day? Do you seriously think they wish us well and hope for us to strengthen our country? Please answer with substance and clear, logical reason!

    What makes you think that countries don't want you to be strong? I just think some countries have a different view point of what strong means. I don't think many countries will care if you build your military as long as it is not meant to attack them. Lets be honest, America is not well liked for many reason but 1 major reason you might be disliked is due to some of the things that America has done.

    Do you really think Canada doesn't want America to be strong? your are largest trading partner and you don't buy from us if you are not doing well.

    America has to get over this idea that everyone in the whole world is against them.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,810
    pjl44 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    I would think that Pakistan would appreciate that Obama has pledged more to flood relief then their own government has.

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-outspends-islamabad-flood-relief-pakistan-133504083.html
    I guess the drone strikes and military presence cheese them off more than a stack of cash makes up for. Weird.
    Shocking, isn’t it?
    Animosity over remote control planes killing THOUSANDS of your citizens with no accountability….
    If you consider that the aid sent can be blended easily into military operations (it was not donated to the official relief effort) – bridge building and infrastructure used to improve supply routes to Afghanistan and Taliban controlled areas of Pakistan, etc….and that this crisis also served as an excuse to increase military presence in the country.
    Then take into consideration that instead of aid in the form of debt relief, Hilary Clinton insisted that taxes be raised as a condition of aid.... knowing full well that tax money goes to repayment of debts the citizens had no hand in accepting, with no visible benefit to anyone but an elite minority…While simultaneously hearing about more IMF and World Bank ‘aid’ loans for this crisis – at interest of course, perpetuating the cycle…(Shock Doctrine/Disaster Capitalism anyone?).
    If you consider the studies that put blame for the weather patterns that caused the floods at the feet of industrialized nations' emissions....and the extent of the flooding also blamed on deforestation that was likely a condition of the loans mentioned above....
    And if you consider the accusations from activists, that the US military had intentionally breeched levees, flooding out millions of people, in order to protect a drone base which they deny the existence of (http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/13/t ... strophe_to ) ....
    Ya….It’s shocking that the Pakistani people aren't big Obama fans.

    No room for nuance here, friend. Sign up for your script and take a side. Go team go!
  • Many of you wonder how the election is close, I wonder myself in the opposite way! Guess what fellow PJ fans, Obama has implemented many of Bush's policies that you did not like when Bush was in office! You complained of Bush overspending, starting two wars, implementing the patriot act, talking tough on Islamic Extremists and enhanced interrogations. .....well lets take a look at what Obama has done .....

    He has also started war in Libya, with no approval, and could not protect our Ambassador all while misrepresenting the people on what is actually taking place there. He has spent much more than Bush. He has not shut down GITMO as promised, he has gone into Pakistan and drone struck in that country with no approval. Obama has expanded the patriot act on foreign and domestic targets and private citizens, Obama has also "spiked the football" and talked tough on Extremists in front of a microphone which has made terrorists mad. Obama has not been transparent on many issues, as the matter of fact he has been the opposite of what he ran on. How can you question why this election is close?

    Guess what....the election is not going to be close....Romney will win bigger than you think!

    How can you not criticize Obama when you HANG Bush for the same things?
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • Many of you wonder how the election is close, I wonder myself in the opposite way!

    Do you think you needed to state this?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • moretonbayfigmoretonbayfig Australia Posts: 805
    I think that the 'rest of the world' are familiar with, and comfortable with 'big government' and the 'welfare state'.. my impression is that many US-Americans equate these things with communism, socialism and/or Marxism? As an outsider, I would place Obama's politics to the the right of 'moderate'... by no means left-wing. The notion of the 'more fortunate' helping the 'less fortunate' with housing, food and health care seems a Christian one to me. The way I see it, the 'rest of the world' aren't "jealous" or "hateful" towards the US - we just love and want to preserve our culture(s) too. US-American culture is part of our shared Western-world subconsciousness too, for better and for worse.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited October 2012
    Zoso wrote:
    MayDay10 wrote:
    brianlux wrote:

    I have friends in Europe who definitely want us to do well and believe Obama is by far the best choice for us and for them. That's what they tell me.


    My friends from Quebec are the same. They also cannot figure out how the election could possibly be close.

    same with my people in Australia..


    I think that, in general, americans are just way too insular. It's all about 'us', 'our' finances, 'our' business, 'our' manufacturing, etc. So a president/potential president talking about 'us' and 'our' and forget about 'them' - we don't need them (unless it's to go to war with them or stop them from having nuclear energy) may be listened to (eg - he will be good for the country...) and be seen as a good 'leader', someone who will sort things out. Americans aren't really interested in foreign policy (or do not really understand what it's all about), etc. What this fails to do is look at the bigger picture and see what impact 'them' has on their economy, etc. Big mistake in this world of global economy.

    Maybe this is where the 'rest of the world' has a clearer view. 'Smaller' countries need to see things differently. For me, this what could explain Obama's run away lead outside the US - he is seen as someone whom one can deal with, someone with a certain aplomb and understanding of the world, a moderate who can appeal to all parties. Romney sure doesn't project that kind of confidence (his recent 'tour' of Europe proving the point)!

    Having lived, worked and voted in both the US and various European countries, this is how I see it.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    After reading this thread I'm thinking the best way for the world to like us
    is to keep a Democratic Pres so we lean more towards what others believe
    and have and think we should have.

    Too bad that might not be what we want or what is best for US.
    Especially looking around the world at some of the examples.

    America is a leader not a follower. It was born to be and why it was born at all.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    The fact that the rest of the world thinks so far differently from the US reinforces my decision so far to remain here. As bad as it is here, it's still worse most other places. Someday that might not be the case anymore, but until then I guess I'll stay put.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • pandora wrote:
    After reading this thread I'm thinking the best way for the world to like us
    is to keep a Democratic Pres so we lean more towards what others believe
    and have and think we should have.

    Too bad that might not be what we want or what is best for US.
    Especially looking around the world at some of the examples.

    America is a leader not a follower. It was born to be and why it was born at all.
    pandora ,before college you need to go to kindengarden,highschool..etc...if you know what i mean...

    noone was born Profesor..noone was born and know everything..

    noone was born General..start from the smallest rank as officer..

    sorry,even if me as person have positive idea about Usa,and i have alot people i care and love at usa...

    i cant ignore that at the rest of the world,alot think America give to the world,technology and wars...
    and thats all...

    and isnt their fault that they believe this.....
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    pandora wrote:
    After reading this thread I'm thinking the best way for the world to like us
    is to keep a Democratic Pres so we lean more towards what others believe
    and have and think we should have.

    Too bad that might not be what we want or what is best for US.
    Especially looking around the world at some of the examples.

    America is a leader not a follower. It was born to be and why it was born at all.
    pandora ,before college you need to go to kindengarden,highschool..etc...if you know what i mean...

    noone was born Profesor..noone was born and know everything..

    noone was born General..start from the smallest rank as officer..

    sorry,even if me as person have positive idea about Usa,and i have alot people i care and love at usa...

    i cant ignore that at the rest of the world,alot think America give to the world,technology and wars...
    and thats all...

    and isnt their fault that they believe this.....
    :D

    Yes, I have said this before, America is very young,
    think of us as the obnoxious two year old in the big history
    of this world :lol:

    American was born to lead why we are a super power,
    it was the intention, in my opinion, when it was created or soon thereafter.

    We gotta a lot of learning to do but I don't necessarily think a Democratic President
    is the correct learning or leaning as we see in other parts of the world.
    Maybe we all can learn from the mistakes of others and of course from our own.
  • pandora wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    After reading this thread I'm thinking the best way for the world to like us
    is to keep a Democratic Pres so we lean more towards what others believe
    and have and think we should have.

    Too bad that might not be what we want or what is best for US.
    Especially looking around the world at some of the examples.

    America is a leader not a follower. It was born to be and why it was born at all.
    pandora ,before college you need to go to kindengarden,highschool..etc...if you know what i mean...

    noone was born Profesor..noone was born and know everything..

    noone was born General..start from the smallest rank as officer..

    sorry,even if me as person have positive idea about Usa,and i have alot people i care and love at usa...

    i cant ignore that at the rest of the world,alot think America give to the world,technology and wars...
    and thats all...

    and isnt their fault that they believe this.....
    :D

    Yes, I have said this before, America is very young,
    think of us as the obnoxious two year old in the big history
    of this world :lol:

    American was born to lead why we are a super power,
    it was the intention, in my opinion, when it was created or soon thereafter.

    We gotta a lot of learning to do but I don't necessarily think a Democratic President
    is the correct learning or leaning as we see in other parts of the world.
    Maybe we all can learn from the mistakes of others and of course from our own.
    now you mention that..and nothing to do if its democrat,or republicant,i think the rest of the world "feels" better with Obama as president at usa..i really dont know the reason.i cant tell cos of his politics...but i can tell from the atmoshere i catch around..he seems the most "friendly kind of president"..his image isnt a hostile one as alot felt with previous presidents..

    is like Kennedy ...i dont have a clue of his politics,or if he was a good president or whatever....but of what happened to him,everybody has a respect,they liked him..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    now you mention that..and nothing to do if its democrat,or republicant,i think the rest of the world "feels" better with Obama as president at usa..i really dont know the reason.i cant tell cos of his politics...but i can tell from the atmoshere i catch around..he seems the most "friendly kind of president"..his image isnt a hostile one as alot felt with previous presidents..

    is like Kennedy ...i dont have a clue of his politics,or if he was a good president or whatever....but of what happened to him,everybody has a respect,they liked him..
    I agree on all points why this has been a hard election to choose for me.
    He's a great speaker, looks wonderful, likable, cool,
    but you know that does not make a good leader.
    Might make a good leader of someone else's country but not your own.

    Being a hard ass ain't all bad.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    edited October 2012
    Ironically, a quick glance at the countries listed in the OP, the large majority are politically positioned to the right, either firmly to the right or centre-right. One would therefore think these countries should 'support' a candidate for the right, shouldn't they? Goes to show there is more to this than party divides. Seems that Romney is not seen as a global leader (for, as some want to say, a country that likes to see itself as a leader the the world). Leading a country includes it's positioning in the world (wherever this may be). Reality check.
    Post edited by redrock on
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    isn't right left and left right in many other countries? :?

    just heard on the way in to work some Independent fella say on the news...
    he can't decide...
    he doesn't like either candidate why its a hard decision this election...

    yep spot on.

    Equal amount of suckiness they are
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    isn't right left and left right in many other countries? :?

    :?
    Ummm.... left is left and right is right - everywhere.
  • Some people in this thread need to get over themselves.

    The world doesn't envy the US or hope for their demise. World affairs concern everyone because they affect everyone. Civil unrest in Greece is uncool. A tsunami in Japan is terrible. Earthquakes in India suck. A presidential election in a country that is a major player on the international scene- where nearly half the people are looking like they might elect a narcissist- is concerning.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • hostishostis Posts: 441
    firstly the survey was paid for by obama people so of course it would be weighted in his favour.
    i expect that at European countires..i thought will be more close at UK..

    I very much doubt that completely. I cant see anyone but Obama if it was here. Romney came here and slagged off the olympics for a start which put a lot of peoples back up.... then the fact he is against 'Obamacare' - if ANY politician in the UK said they wanted to get rid of the NHS they would never ever win - so thats just 2 bits....

    personally. and purely personal, if romney wins I think its all over. From what I have seen, and again its purely personal, i do not like him at all, think he is a lying conniving waster, was pro vietnam but used religion to avoid going himself, has been wishy washy on foreign policy, wont publish his taxes, has made it obvious the rich sould earn more and many more personal reasons.
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