Congressman calls evolution lie from 'pit of hell'

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    Couple of really worrying things;

    - Broun, a medical doctor
    - running for re-election in November unopposed by Democrats.
    - he believes the Earth is about 9,000 years old and that it was made in six days
    - He sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

    THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE SPACE AND TECHNOLOGY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    He's running unoppossed for fuck sake.
    this man is dangerous. he is single handedly assisting with the dumbing down of americans.

    how can anyone call it the house committee on science, space, and technology when this guy and todd akin ( running for senate in my state) are both on the committee????? :fp:

    Watch it, you'll be accused of being intolerant soon. Apparently the views of such people should be respected and tolerated, and if you laugh at them then you are being pompous and intolerant.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    aerial wrote:
    What makes this country so great is everyone gets to vote on who they want to represent them in Washington.

    Is that really what you think makes America great? Personally, I can think of a lot more things that are great about America than the fact that every four years you get to choose between two different puppets of big business to drive the political wagon.

    As for uneducated, or simply delusional, people, being able to lend their support to religious wackjobs, and so further contribute to the dumbing down of American society, I see nothing positive in this at all.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    perhaps that congressman should take a tip from the 4th/5th century theologian, Saint Augustine, who basically said, "don't be so censoredn.gifing stupid"...but with more words....

    "Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."

    --Saint Augustine (A.D. 354-430) in his work The Literal Meaning of Genesis (De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim) provided excellent advice for all Christians who are faced with the task of interpreting Scripture in the light of scientific knowledge. This translation is by J. H. Taylor in Ancient Christian Writers, Newman Press, 1982, volume 41.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    rollings wrote:
    perhaps that congressman should take a tip from the 4th/5th century theologian, Saint Augustine, who basically said, "don't be so censoredn.gifing stupid"...but with more words....

    "Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."

    --Saint Augustine (A.D. 354-430) in his work The Literal Meaning of Genesis (De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim) provided excellent advice for all Christians who are faced with the task of interpreting Scripture in the light of scientific knowledge. This translation is by J. H. Taylor in Ancient Christian Writers, Newman Press, 1982, volume 41.

    Not a big fan of St. Augustine, but this is brilliant.
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    whygohome wrote:
    rollings wrote:
    perhaps that congressman should take a tip from the 4th/5th century theologian, Saint Augustine, who basically said, "don't be so censoredn.gifing stupid"...but with more words....

    "Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."

    --Saint Augustine (A.D. 354-430) in his work The Literal Meaning of Genesis (De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim) provided excellent advice for all Christians who are faced with the task of interpreting Scripture in the light of scientific knowledge. This translation is by J. H. Taylor in Ancient Christian Writers, Newman Press, 1982, volume 41.

    Not a big fan of St. Augustine, but this is brilliant.

    why aren't you a fan? St. Augustine was the shit! (so was his mom)
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    rollings wrote:

    why aren't you a fan? St. Augustine was the shit! (so was his mom)

    You know, I haven't read enough, so, I retract my statement. I need to read more Augustine and Aquinas...if I ever have time.
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    Here's another guy that says

    "“… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise."

    Not sure how any asshat thinks that slavery was a blessing in any way, shape, form or fashion. It is terrifying to me that we have so many citizens who a.) don't care about political elections or b.) vote based on one issue (whatever that issue may be). Our country is better educated now than at any time in the past yet we keep making stupid, senseless, and borderline dangerous political choices. It's time for the American populace to WAKE UP!

    Here's a link to the entire article where he makes even more stupid assertions:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/jon-hubbard-arkansas-slavery-book_n_1943661.html
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    Godfather. wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10471734

    How the fuck are these people in power. I'm in utter, utter shock. I'd be fucking embarrassed if this horses ass represented me, but I'm sure some of you will make excuses for him.

    probably caus some of us don't give a flying fuck what you think :lol::lol:

    Godfather.

    that's it? that's all you have to say??

    Have you anything constructive to add to the thread? How does it make you feel that these people are representatives of your nation?

    Listen if you want to throw around insults rather than discuss the topic, fair enough, be my guest, however just because it doesn't appear on Fox news doesn't mean it is not happening.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Moonpig wrote:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10471734

    How the fuck are these people in power. I'm in utter, utter shock. I'd be fucking embarrassed if this horses ass represented me, but I'm sure some of you will make excuses for him.
    Who makes excuses for you?
    People do not see eye to eye, they do not agree.
    That is the beauty of our world. People can and do believe what they want.

    Should they be judged by some because of that?
    Are the judgers better human beings?
    Are they free from fault or are they clearly at fault for judging?

    You pretty much said it...
    you wouldn't want someone with these beliefs representing you
    and they don't. But the voters may choose to have him represent them.
    And those same voters might think you are a horse's ass ;)
    It's a wonderful world ain't it? :D
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    pandora wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10471734

    How the fuck are these people in power. I'm in utter, utter shock. I'd be fucking embarrassed if this horses ass represented me, but I'm sure some of you will make excuses for him.
    Who makes excuses for you?
    People do not see eye to eye, they do not agree.
    That is the beauty of our world. People can and do believe what they want.

    Should they be judged by some because of that?
    Are the judgers better human beings?
    Are they free from fault or are they clearly at fault for judging?

    You pretty much said it...
    you wouldn't want someone with these beliefs representing you
    and they don't. But the voters may choose to have him represent them.
    And those same voters might think you are a horse's ass ;)
    It's a wonderful world ain't it? :D

    Pandora, this is someone making assertions that are false, much like the previous fellow making the rape claim. That they represent anyone is insane, let alone the committee that they are a part of.

    They are running unopposed so it is certainly suspect around how many they truly represent.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Moonpig wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10471734

    How the fuck are these people in power. I'm in utter, utter shock. I'd be fucking embarrassed if this horses ass represented me, but I'm sure some of you will make excuses for him.
    Who makes excuses for you?
    People do not see eye to eye, they do not agree.
    That is the beauty of our world. People can and do believe what they want.

    Should they be judged by some because of that?
    Are the judgers better human beings?
    Are they free from fault or are they clearly at fault for judging?

    You pretty much said it...
    you wouldn't want someone with these beliefs representing you
    and they don't. But the voters may choose to have him represent them.
    And those same voters might think you are a horse's ass ;)
    It's a wonderful world ain't it? :D

    Pandora, this is someone making assertions that are false, much like the previous fellow making the rape claim. That they represent anyone is insane, let alone the committee that they are a part of.

    They are running unopposed so it is certainly suspect around how many they truly represent.

    It is your opinion he speaks of falsehoods there are some who believe you do.
    Perhaps you should go run against him ;) we would see.

    We have a vote to express our opinion, to choose our representatives.
    He's been chosen not sure why that is a problem, for you.

    For me I admire Christian Fundamentalists.
    Do I agree with them? no but then I don't have to agree to respect.
    True, some people will only respect like minds...
    those are the hardest for me to respect.

    For me also God and Evolution are not at battle, not in direct conflict
    but I understand why they are for those who literally take the Bible as written.
    I accept that and if he was voted into office to be my representative,
    though I would not agree, I would respect his beliefs, as I do now.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,622
    pandora wrote:
    Moonpig wrote:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10471734

    How the fuck are these people in power. I'm in utter, utter shock. I'd be fucking embarrassed if this horses ass represented me, but I'm sure some of you will make excuses for him.
    Who makes excuses for you?
    People do not see eye to eye, they do not agree.
    That is the beauty of our world. People can and do believe what they want.

    Should they be judged by some because of that?
    Are the judgers better human beings?
    Are they free from fault or are they clearly at fault for judging?

    You pretty much said it...
    you wouldn't want someone with these beliefs representing you
    and they don't. But the voters may choose to have him represent them.
    And those same voters might think you are a horse's ass ;)
    It's a wonderful world ain't it? :D

    You're defending him? Are you in his district or something?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Zoso wrote:
    whygohome wrote:
    WWRJD?

    wwrjd-republicanjesus.jpg


    looks like republican jim james
    Only if republican jim james stayed off the Twinkies for 4-5 months. ;)
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    pandora wrote:
    some people will only respect like minds...
    those are the hardest for me to respect.

    So, following your own logic, you don't respect Paul Broun? Because he doesn't respect like minds. He labels evolutionists, and scientists, liars, whose lies come straight from the pit of hell. Or do his comments represent tolerance and open-mindedness in your topsy-turvy scheme of things?


    'Georgia Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell" meant to convince people that they do not need a savior...

    "God's word is true," Broun said, according to a video posted on the church's website. "I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell.'
  • Moonpig
    Moonpig Posts: 659
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    some people will only respect like minds...
    those are the hardest for me to respect.

    So, following your own logic, you don't respect Paul Broun? Because he doesn't respect like minds. He labels evolutionists, and scientists, liars, whose lies come straight from the pit of hell. Or do his comments represent tolerance and open-mindedness in your topsy-turvy scheme of things?


    'Georgia Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell" meant to convince people that they do not need a savior...

    "God's word is true," Broun said, according to a video posted on the church's website. "I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell.'

    Wondered that myself
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    some people will only respect like minds...
    those are the hardest for me to respect.

    So, following your own logic, you don't respect Paul Broun? Because he doesn't respect like minds. He labels evolutionists, and scientists, liars, whose lies come straight from the pit of hell. Or do his comments represent tolerance and open-mindedness in your topsy-turvy scheme of things?


    'Georgia Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell" meant to convince people that they do not need a savior...

    "God's word is true," Broun said, according to a video posted on the church's website. "I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell.'
    I respect his right to voice his opinion which it seems some here do not.
    Do I agree with his words, no.

    He believes that men of science are lying with a clear motive.
    This is true in that science and religion has been at odds since forever.

    For me science and God come together in Evolution.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Go Beavers wrote:

    You're defending him? Are you in his district or something?
    You think to defend a person's right to speak his opinion I would have to be in his district?
    Alrighty then :fp:
    Are you in America? ... we have freedom of speech...
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Moonpig wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    some people will only respect like minds...
    those are the hardest for me to respect.

    So, following your own logic, you don't respect Paul Broun? Because he doesn't respect like minds. He labels evolutionists, and scientists, liars, whose lies come straight from the pit of hell. Or do his comments represent tolerance and open-mindedness in your topsy-turvy scheme of things?


    'Georgia Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell" meant to convince people that they do not need a savior...

    "God's word is true," Broun said, according to a video posted on the church's website. "I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell.'

    Wondered that myself
    Good thing I straightened you out then :lol:
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    I find it ironic and a bit funny that people would be outraged here
    at this representatives remarks.
    I'm thinking those angered don't believe in a hell anyways ...
    nor do the men of science he is directing his words to ... yes?
    I also don't think they should be surprised with the conviction this man speaks.
    By the way that is another thing I respect, his conviction.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    riotgrl wrote:
    Here's another guy that says

    "“… the institution of slavery that the black race has long believed to be an abomination upon its people may actually have been a blessing in disguise."

    Not sure how any asshat thinks that slavery was a blessing in any way, shape, form or fashion. It is terrifying to me that we have so many citizens who a.) don't care about political elections or b.) vote based on one issue (whatever that issue may be). Our country is better educated now than at any time in the past yet we keep making stupid, senseless, and borderline dangerous political choices. It's time for the American populace to WAKE UP!

    Here's a link to the entire article where he makes even more stupid assertions:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/05/jon-hubbard-arkansas-slavery-book_n_1943661.html

    Is it? One wonders. The people making the kind of statements cited in this thread have absolutely no place in positions of 'power' or influence. Seems they also have a following listening to them and agreeing. What they think and say in private, in their 'group', at their church, etc. is their business. But potentially having these beliefs projected onto their 'political life'/career and possibly future policies is downright scary. Broun being a medical doctor and sitting on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.... shit. Ignorance and fundamentalism is not good...

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