ROMNEY DESTROYS OBAMA WOW

RFTC

EdsonNascimento wrote:

We raise revenue by getting folks back to work, thus broadening the base and getting folks incomes up. Hmmm. That sounds like a good idea.

if you referring to bush tax cuts 1, too bad this did not work the first time we tried it, history has an odd way of tripping up opinions.

yes romney shredded obama last night, the only consolation for obama supporters this morning is the plethora of lies from romney and how those will be exposed.

the upside for romney will be that these fact check reports will not be viewed by 60m live. thus, he will surge, and take back at least 3 of the swing states (polls) imo.

onto the next debate, this morning reminds me of the nfl, every monday morning the world is ending for 1 team and the superbowl is coming for another. there will be another day to fight for both candidates.

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the moderator was terrible. he was an embarrassment to the old guard media people.

When I saw he is a semi-retired PBS anchor, I can't say I was surprised by the results.

They should have Bender from Futurama mod the next debate.

FattyFatCat

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I'm not getting into this back and forth. I mean Michael Moore and Bill Maher said Romney slammed him. What more needs to be said? Even Rachel Madcow admitted (however begrudgingly) as much.

For me, I was voting for Romney, so this didn't change that. But, before last night I was more voting against Obama and for a wing and a prayer. After last night, I am far more confident in my vote FOR Romney. Subtle shift I guess, but it certainly made me feel better about my vote (which doesn't matter anyway b/c I live in NY)

We raise revenue by getting folks back to work, thus broadening the base and getting folks incomes up. Hmmm. That sounds like a good idea.

I agree.

What a great performance by Romney.

It was so good, I smoked a cigarette after.

Prince Of Dorkness

And again... Romeny went against everything that he claimed to believe last week and everything he'll say he thinks next week... But the republicans have shown they don't really care about that.

Facts? Hey... We've had generations and generations to prove that "trickled own" economics is more like "shit on your heads" economics but that doesn't stop them from banging that drum. Romney says it with a smile... They could hear "and we'll leave your mother on the curb" and say "well I'm a lot more confidant now."

The president yeah... He seemed off his game. Kinda slow.

But if you actually paid attention to the words they said and not the pre-written "zingers" that he had "rehearsed," you would realize that you're voting for another George W Bush. But you don't care... He's a republican. So you're just fine with him not giving any specifics at all. None.

You're more confidant because the smarmy rich guy got to be rude to the black man.

FattyFatCat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

And again... Romeny went against everything that he claimed to believe last week and everything he'll say he thinks next week... But the republicans have shown they don't really care about that.

Facts? Hey... We've had generations and generations to prove that "trickled own" economics is more like "shit on your heads" economics but that doesn't stop them from banging that drum. Romney says it with a smile... They could hear "and we'll leave your mother on the curb" and say "well I'm a lot more confidant now."

The president yeah... He seemed off his game. Kinda slow.

But if you actually paid attention to the words they said and not the pre-written "zingers" that he had "rehearsed," you would realize that you're voting for another George W Bush. But you don't care... He's a republican. So you're just fine with him not giving any specifics at all. None.

You're more confidant because the smarmy rich guy got to be rude to the black man.

Your race-baiting is offensive. No place for that here.

BinFrog

fife wrote:

I also wish that Rommey would elaborate on his position.

Well considering he doesn't really have one...

FattyFatCat

BinFrog wrote:

fife wrote:

I also wish that Rommey would elaborate on his position.

Well considering he doesn't really have one...

Really? Seems to me Romney laid it out in enumerated points last night...

fife

FattyFatCat wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

fife wrote:

I also wish that Rommey would elaborate on his position.

Well considering he doesn't really have one...

Really? Seems to me Romney laid it out in enumerated points last night...

The issue that I had was that both Mitt and Obama gave a point form answers to most question. the devil is in the details.

fife

Jason P wrote:

fife wrote:

I thought the moderator was really bad.

There was a moderator?

True, I also don't like the amount of time he gave the 2 people even tho both went over they allotted time. I think giving more time will make it easier for both people to elaborate

pandora

BinFrog wrote:

fife wrote:

I also wish that Rommey would elaborate on his position.

Well considering he doesn't really have one...

He has a pretty basic Republican idealogy so if you are a blue you probably don't want to hear it

ComeToTX

They didn't even bring up 47%, Bain or women's rights. It was geard to Mitt and he still had to lie through his teeth! The only way he could do better is if the next one includes made up planets and magic underwear!

Mitt's five most outrageous statements:

1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.

2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.

3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."

4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.

5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.

Godfather.

the debate was was awesome ! obama showed the people he is a great talker with personality...but that's it,
he's also a liar,Romney shot him down at least 2 or 3 times and every time you could see the embarresment in Obama's face,Obama also tryed to control the debate using his position as president to run up the clock and going over his time and Romney handled that very well.

in short Obama lied and was unprepared and Romney stormtrooped his ass.BAHHHHAAAMMMM !

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Godfather. wrote:

the debate was was awesome ! obama showed the people he is a great talker with personality...but that's it,
he's also a liar,Romney shot him down at least 2 or 3 times and every time you could see the embarresment in Obama's face,Obama also tryed to control the debate using his position as president to run up the clock and going over his time and Romney handled that very well.

in short Obama lied and was unprepared and Romney stormtrooped his ass.BAHHHHAAAMMMM !

Godfather.

I really don't get the gloating. it's a debate. things are going to happen. He will most likely be way better next time.

and you call Obama a liar? even if that's true, does that mean you are heralding Romney as a truth-telling messiah?

EdsonNascimento

ComeToTX wrote:

They didn't even bring up 47%, Bain or women's rights. It was geard to Mitt and he still had to lie through his teeth! The only way he could do better is if the next one includes made up planets and magic underwear!

Mitt's five most outrageous statements:

1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.

2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.

3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."

4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.

5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.

Ha, ha, ha. You want a debate based on sound bites. Too funny.

1. He will close loopholes. Yes, specifics were scant on that. However, he did allude to how he would sit down with leaders of Congress to figure this (and other things out). Seems like a logical thing to do rather than ramming his specific ideas down their throats. Getting buy in from all parties to achieve the ultimate goal (maintain overall taxes, but lower tax rates and remove deductions) makes sense. That's what leaders do.

2. Death tax is stupid. You die and your assets should go to the government rather than your heirs? That's lunacy.

3. In debates, sometimes hyperbole is used. What he is alluding to is the number of folks that don't have FULL employment. So, his numbers work.

4. Sarah Palin? WTF are you talking about. He didn't mention one thing about death. By your own admission, he was correct.

5. Pre-exsiting conditions ARE covered under his plan. Within guideliness. That statement is more true than saying his plan simply does not cover them.


These fact checks are nothing more than blue colored painting of what he was saying. Of course HE colors things in a light that would favor his position. IT'S A DEBATE!!!!! That's the art of debating. But, to call these lies is purely partisan.

In Obama's defense, when required to talk substance as he was last night, it's hard to come from a position of failure. So, I do feel bad for him. I can't wait for the foreign policy debate where is record is...wait.. Oh. Nevermind. I'm sure we'll here Osama Bin Laden's name more times in 90 minutes than we did in the last 11 years (he even slotted it in last night in a DOMESTIC debate. )

Hugh Freaking Dillon

EdsonNascimento wrote:

3. In debates, sometimes hyperbole is used. What he is alluding to is the number of folks that don't have FULL employment. So, his numbers work.

But, to call these lies is purely partisan.

one could argue that calling it hyperbole is purely partisan. if Obama had said something like that, you probably would have called him out as being a liar, no?

F5AgainstOne

fear4freedom wrote:

What a one sided debate! I have never seen a debate like that, I used to be a liberal Democrat and I have seen many good ones.....this one.....was not even close! Did you notice that Obama changed the subject on the first question? He also actually looked relieved when Romney interrupted! WOW

Obama was finally exposed and out of his comfort zone! He was tested and finally his true colors show!

Did you see the Univsion interview last week from hispanics to Obama? Well, thats how our media should all interview the president. They are supposed to hold him accountable to The People! We are supposed to know the truth through transparency without agenda! Truth can be had and found, if the media was fair and balanced.

Obama was terrible tonight! Inept, confused, lost and frustrated! Again, its what happens to a guy like that!

I know that the polls say that Romney "won" the debate, but I don't see it. He seemed as plastic and money centric as ever. How exactly did he "win"? Or how exactly did Obama "lose"? Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how enthusiastic the delivery.

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

he's also a liar,Romney shot him down at least 2 or 3 times and every time you could see the embarresment in Obama's face,

There's really no sense in calling out liars in this one...both sides did their share. Care to comment on Romney's assertion that there are 23 million unemployed?

fife

F5AgainstOne wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

What a one sided debate! I have never seen a debate like that, I used to be a liberal Democrat and I have seen many good ones.....this one.....was not even close! Did you notice that Obama changed the subject on the first question? He also actually looked relieved when Romney interrupted! WOW

Obama was finally exposed and out of his comfort zone! He was tested and finally his true colors show!

Did you see the Univsion interview last week from hispanics to Obama? Well, thats how our media should all interview the president. They are supposed to hold him accountable to The People! We are supposed to know the truth through transparency without agenda! Truth can be had and found, if the media was fair and balanced.

Obama was terrible tonight! Inept, confused, lost and frustrated! Again, its what happens to a guy like that!

I know that the polls say that Romney "won" the debate, but I don't see it. He seemed as plastic and money centric as ever. How exactly did he "win"? Or how exactly did Obama "lose"? Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how enthusiastic the delivery.

sadly that is not true. Obama didn't seem comfortable and when your in a debate on TV you have to look comfortable. Obama missed alot of opportunities to explain what he thinks and what he has done.

what you have to understand is that appearance does matter in these things and Mitt looked better than Obama.

EmBleve

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I can't wait for the foreign policy debate where is record is...wait.. Oh. Nevermind. I'm sure we'll here Osama Bin Laden's name more times in 90 minutes than we did in the last 11 years (he even slotted it in last night in a DOMESTIC debate. )

yep

BinFrog

pandora wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

fife wrote:

I also wish that Rommey would elaborate on his position.

Well considering he doesn't really have one...

He has a pretty basic Republican idealogy so if you are a blue you probably don't want to hear it

Right. He only votes blue when he is in a blue state and pandering to the locals.