They didn't even bring up 47%, Bain or women's rights. It was geard to Mitt and he still had to lie through his teeth! The only way he could do better is if the next one includes made up planets and magic underwear!
Mitt's five most outrageous statements:
1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.
2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.
3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."
4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.
5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.
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the debate was was awesome ! obama showed the people he is a great talker with personality...but that's it,
he's also a liar,Romney shot him down at least 2 or 3 times and every time you could see the embarresment in Obama's face,Obama also tryed to control the debate using his position as president to run up the clock and going over his time and Romney handled that very well.
in short Obama lied and was unprepared and Romney stormtrooped his ass.BAHHHHAAAMMMM !
the debate was was awesome ! obama showed the people he is a great talker with personality...but that's it,
he's also a liar,Romney shot him down at least 2 or 3 times and every time you could see the embarresment in Obama's face,Obama also tryed to control the debate using his position as president to run up the clock and going over his time and Romney handled that very well.
in short Obama lied and was unprepared and Romney stormtrooped his ass.BAHHHHAAAMMMM !
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I really don't get the gloating. it's a debate. things are going to happen. He will most likely be way better next time.
and you call Obama a liar? even if that's true, does that mean you are heralding Romney as a truth-telling messiah?
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They didn't even bring up 47%, Bain or women's rights. It was geard to Mitt and he still had to lie through his teeth! The only way he could do better is if the next one includes made up planets and magic underwear!
Mitt's five most outrageous statements:
1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.
2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.
3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."
4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.
5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.
Ha, ha, ha. You want a debate based on sound bites. Too funny.
1. He will close loopholes. Yes, specifics were scant on that. However, he did allude to how he would sit down with leaders of Congress to figure this (and other things out). Seems like a logical thing to do rather than ramming his specific ideas down their throats. Getting buy in from all parties to achieve the ultimate goal (maintain overall taxes, but lower tax rates and remove deductions) makes sense. That's what leaders do.
2. Death tax is stupid. You die and your assets should go to the government rather than your heirs? That's lunacy.
3. In debates, sometimes hyperbole is used. What he is alluding to is the number of folks that don't have FULL employment. So, his numbers work.
4. Sarah Palin? WTF are you talking about. He didn't mention one thing about death. By your own admission, he was correct.
5. Pre-exsiting conditions ARE covered under his plan. Within guideliness. That statement is more true than saying his plan simply does not cover them.
These fact checks are nothing more than blue colored painting of what he was saying. Of course HE colors things in a light that would favor his position. IT'S A DEBATE!!!!! That's the art of debating. But, to call these lies is purely partisan.
In Obama's defense, when required to talk substance as he was last night, it's hard to come from a position of failure. So, I do feel bad for him. I can't wait for the foreign policy debate where is record is...wait.. Oh. Nevermind. I'm sure we'll here Osama Bin Laden's name more times in 90 minutes than we did in the last 11 years (he even slotted it in last night in a DOMESTIC debate. )
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
3. In debates, sometimes hyperbole is used. What he is alluding to is the number of folks that don't have FULL employment. So, his numbers work.
But, to call these lies is purely partisan.
one could argue that calling it hyperbole is purely partisan. if Obama had said something like that, you probably would have called him out as being a liar, no?
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What a one sided debate! I have never seen a debate like that, I used to be a liberal Democrat and I have seen many good ones.....this one.....was not even close! Did you notice that Obama changed the subject on the first question? He also actually looked relieved when Romney interrupted! WOW
Obama was finally exposed and out of his comfort zone! He was tested and finally his true colors show!
Did you see the Univsion interview last week from hispanics to Obama? Well, thats how our media should all interview the president. They are supposed to hold him accountable to The People! We are supposed to know the truth through transparency without agenda! Truth can be had and found, if the media was fair and balanced.
Obama was terrible tonight! Inept, confused, lost and frustrated! Again, its what happens to a guy like that!
I know that the polls say that Romney "won" the debate, but I don't see it. He seemed as plastic and money centric as ever. How exactly did he "win"? Or how exactly did Obama "lose"? Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how enthusiastic the delivery.
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he's also a liar,Romney shot him down at least 2 or 3 times and every time you could see the embarresment in Obama's face,
There's really no sense in calling out liars in this one...both sides did their share. Care to comment on Romney's assertion that there are 23 million unemployed?
What a one sided debate! I have never seen a debate like that, I used to be a liberal Democrat and I have seen many good ones.....this one.....was not even close! Did you notice that Obama changed the subject on the first question? He also actually looked relieved when Romney interrupted! WOW
Obama was finally exposed and out of his comfort zone! He was tested and finally his true colors show!
Did you see the Univsion interview last week from hispanics to Obama? Well, thats how our media should all interview the president. They are supposed to hold him accountable to The People! We are supposed to know the truth through transparency without agenda! Truth can be had and found, if the media was fair and balanced.
Obama was terrible tonight! Inept, confused, lost and frustrated! Again, its what happens to a guy like that!
I know that the polls say that Romney "won" the debate, but I don't see it. He seemed as plastic and money centric as ever. How exactly did he "win"? Or how exactly did Obama "lose"? Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how enthusiastic the delivery.
sadly that is not true. Obama didn't seem comfortable and when your in a debate on TV you have to look comfortable. Obama missed alot of opportunities to explain what he thinks and what he has done.
what you have to understand is that appearance does matter in these things and Mitt looked better than Obama.
I can't wait for the foreign policy debate where is record is...wait.. Oh. Nevermind. I'm sure we'll here Osama Bin Laden's name more times in 90 minutes than we did in the last 11 years (he even slotted it in last night in a DOMESTIC debate. )
What a one sided debate! I have never seen a debate like that, I used to be a liberal Democrat and I have seen many good ones.....this one.....was not even close! Did you notice that Obama changed the subject on the first question? He also actually looked relieved when Romney interrupted! WOW
Obama was finally exposed and out of his comfort zone! He was tested and finally his true colors show!
Did you see the Univsion interview last week from hispanics to Obama? Well, thats how our media should all interview the president. They are supposed to hold him accountable to The People! We are supposed to know the truth through transparency without agenda! Truth can be had and found, if the media was fair and balanced.
Obama was terrible tonight! Inept, confused, lost and frustrated! Again, its what happens to a guy like that!
I know that the polls say that Romney "won" the debate, but I don't see it. He seemed as plastic and money centric as ever. How exactly did he "win"? Or how exactly did Obama "lose"? Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how enthusiastic the delivery.
sadly that is not true. Obama didn't seem comfortable and when your in a debate on TV you have to look comfortable. Obama missed alot of opportunities to explain what he thinks and what he has done.
what you have to understand is that appearance does matter in these things and Mitt looked better than Obama.
Oh, I misunderstood... I was listening to the content. I guess I should have turned off the sound and just watched instead.
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3. In debates, sometimes hyperbole is used. What he is alluding to is the number of folks that don't have FULL employment. So, his numbers work.
But, to call these lies is purely partisan.
one could argue that calling it hyperbole is purely partisan. if Obama had said something like that, you probably would have called him out as being a liar, no?
Actually, no I wouldn't. Unless someone outright lies - i.e. says they lowered taxes when they actually rasied them (or something), then I'm willing to let it slide. I mean - otherwise EVERY single Ad they do (both sides) is a lie.
But, in this case, it wasn't even close to hyperbole, so I probably shouldn't have linked the 2. It's clear by the "fact check" what was meant by the statement. If I were a part time employee, I would not consider myself employed.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
3. In debates, sometimes hyperbole is used. What he is alluding to is the number of folks that don't have FULL employment. So, his numbers work.
But, to call these lies is purely partisan.
one could argue that calling it hyperbole is purely partisan. if Obama had said something like that, you probably would have called him out as being a liar, no?
Actually, no I wouldn't. Unless someone outright lies - i.e. says they lowered taxes when they actually rasied them (or something), then I'm willing to let it slide. I mean - otherwise EVERY single Ad they do (both sides) is a lie.
But, in this case, it wasn't even close to hyperbole, so I probably shouldn't have linked the 2. It's clear by the "fact check" what was meant by the statement. If I were a part time employee, I would not consider myself employed.
then you are a minority.
if you have a job, no matter if it's 1 day a week or 7, you are employed, because you have a job.
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What a one sided debate! I have never seen a debate like that, I used to be a liberal Democrat and I have seen many good ones.....this one.....was not even close! Did you notice that Obama changed the subject on the first question? He also actually looked relieved when Romney interrupted! WOW
Obama was finally exposed and out of his comfort zone! He was tested and finally his true colors show!
Did you see the Univsion interview last week from hispanics to Obama? Well, thats how our media should all interview the president. They are supposed to hold him accountable to The People! We are supposed to know the truth through transparency without agenda! Truth can be had and found, if the media was fair and balanced.
Obama was terrible tonight! Inept, confused, lost and frustrated! Again, its what happens to a guy like that!
I know that the polls say that Romney "won" the debate, but I don't see it. He seemed as plastic and money centric as ever. How exactly did he "win"? Or how exactly did Obama "lose"? Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how enthusiastic the delivery.
sadly that is not true. Obama didn't seem comfortable and when your in a debate on TV you have to look comfortable. Obama missed alot of opportunities to explain what he thinks and what he has done.
what you have to understand is that appearance does matter in these things and Mitt looked better than Obama.
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whats wrong with you, you actually listen personally i believe both didn't do so well in the details, but that is the idea when you have 2 minutes to answer a question.
I know that the polls say that Romney "won" the debate, but I don't see it. He seemed as plastic and money centric as ever. How exactly did he "win"? Or how exactly did Obama "lose"? Bullshit is still bullshit no matter how enthusiastic the delivery.
sadly that is not true. Obama didn't seem comfortable and when your in a debate on TV you have to look comfortable. Obama missed alot of opportunities to explain what he thinks and what he has done.
what you have to understand is that appearance does matter in these things and Mitt looked better than Obama.
Oh, I misunderstood... I was listening to the content. I guess I should have turned off the sound and just watched instead.
You are alone in your thinking. MSNBC, Michael Moore, Bill Maher and other bastions that are clearly liberal agreed that Romney won on every front INCLDUING substance. Now, they obviously didn't agree with his policies, etc.. But, even they agreed he came out on top on what was said, not just the visual. Which, maybe combining those 2 statements makes it even more amplified (i.e. they clearly don't agree with the direction he takes, but say he still won in every way possible, including SUBSTANCE).
And, just to be clear - I have no idea what impact this has. It will be a very interesting poli sci study AFTER the election. I for one think debates have minimal impact. But, I guess we'll find out. Debating the debate really doesn't get us anywhere. We'll know in a few weeks if it had impact. Because, clearly, if it Romney wins, it will be concluded it did. If Obama wins, it may even be concluded that it clearly did NOT. Because, objective or not, left or right, there was a clear winner of the debate last night. But, who knows right now what that means to the election?
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Actually, no I wouldn't. Unless someone outright lies - i.e. says they lowered taxes when they actually rasied them (or something), then I'm willing to let it slide. I mean - otherwise EVERY single Ad they do (both sides) is a lie.
But, in this case, it wasn't even close to hyperbole, so I probably shouldn't have linked the 2. It's clear by the "fact check" what was meant by the statement. If I were a part time employee, I would not consider myself employed.
then you are a minority.
if you have a job, no matter if it's 1 day a week or 7, you are employed, because you have a job.
Oh, goodie. Then the jobs plan should be to take all jobs and divy them 7 ways. That way, we won't just have 0% unemployment, folks will be able to have 3, 4 and 5 jobs AND still have time to see their families.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Romney presented himself better. Obama was weird last night.
Anyway, looks like we are all the real losers in the end.
I do find it extremely funny how Romney keeps putting out these numbers like "I will create 12 million jobs". Such a specific number yet he won't give any specific plan. Why not 13 or 14 or 20 million jobs while your at it? Did 12 million just sound about right?
The first two debates do not look good for the dems. Romney is getting good press from last night and seems to me that Ryan should slam dunk all over Biden, but we'll see.
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I can't wait for the foreign policy debate where is record is...wait.. Oh. Nevermind. I'm sure we'll here Osama Bin Laden's name more times in 90 minutes than we did in the last 11 years (he even slotted it in last night in a DOMESTIC debate. )
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Okay lets see, out of Iraq,ending in afganistan and no impending wars on horizon. We didn't stick our Money or soldiers in Libya, Syria or Iran. I kind of like that foreign policy. Thinking majority of Americans will agree.
As to Mitt or Obama winning, there was a different standard of the two. I see why Obama didn't go after Romney on 47% or about his tax rates and offshore acconts. He needed to be cool, presidential and he was. Romney seemed very tense and jumpy. Obama was at a disadvantage and played it fairly well though I would agree a bit to "conservative". Romney did well, no doubt, but some of us realize how he flipped his positions for the national audience versus that of Republican nomination, which was flipped from being governor. Do agree most "politicians" do this so don't blame him.
Just wondering if this really swayed anyone.
Race, abortion, rights, religion, taxation? Probably not. Did make it interesting.
I can't wait for the foreign policy debate where is record is...wait.. Oh. Nevermind. I'm sure we'll here Osama Bin Laden's name more times in 90 minutes than we did in the last 11 years (he even slotted it in last night in a DOMESTIC debate. )
yep
Okay lets see, out of Iraq,ending in afganistan and no impending wars on horizon. We didn't stick our Money or soldiers in Libya, Syria or Iran. I kind of like that foreign policy. Thinking majority of Americans will agree.
Is foreign policy just war (or lack thereof)?
Does not providing the requested protection to your ambassador count? I would think his family thinks it does.
Ostrich defense does not work. As MacArthur said in his farewell (I paraphrase) - Appeasement is like blackmail. It only leads to greater, more unreasonable demands.
Not saying we need to go to war in any of those places. But, "staying out of it" is not necessarily a good move. History would teach us otherwise.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Really? Seems to me Romney laid it out in enumerated points last night...
Except no... he didn't "enumerate" anything. He threw out a few figures that he can't back up... most of the things he said he's already walked back and his own campaign manager has come out to say that he was wrong about a couple things.
But hey... if debates actually changed anything, Jan Brewer wouldn't be Governor.
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I'll side with staying out of it versus not. The US has the capabilities to protect itself and I very much appreciate our strong military. The Libyan conflict as a great example of how we can support (Air and strategy) versus invading or becoming intangled in another freakin war. Romney is insinuating we should be more involved...I disagree. As to the ambassador, yeah that was a real tragedy, but that does not define Obama's foreign policy. Was it Bush's fault on 9-11. Though I think he was an absolute joke, i don't blame him. Can't control everything.
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Is foreign policy just war (or lack thereof)?
Does not providing the requested protection to your ambassador count? I would think his family thinks it does.
Ostrich defense does not work. As MacArthur said in his farewell (I paraphrase) - Appeasement is like blackmail. It only leads to greater, more unreasonable demands.
Not saying we need to go to war in any of those places. But, "staying out of it" is not necessarily a good move. History would teach us otherwise.[/quote]
So tell me where we should be more involved? How would you have changed what Obama's done?
Actually, no I wouldn't. Unless someone outright lies - i.e. says they lowered taxes when they actually rasied them (or something), then I'm willing to let it slide. I mean - otherwise EVERY single Ad they do (both sides) is a lie.
But, in this case, it wasn't even close to hyperbole, so I probably shouldn't have linked the 2. It's clear by the "fact check" what was meant by the statement. If I were a part time employee, I would not consider myself employed.
then you are a minority.
if you have a job, no matter if it's 1 day a week or 7, you are employed, because you have a job.
Oh, goodie. Then the jobs plan should be to take all jobs and divy them 7 ways. That way, we won't just have 0% unemployment, folks will be able to have 3, 4 and 5 jobs AND still have time to see their families.
there's really no need for that. I just thought it was odd to have the notion that not working full time equals being unemployed.
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I can't believe I'm saying this but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter-Bill Maher
Obama looked like an amateur without his trusty teleprompter telling him what to say, he was totally lost out there. It was pretty embarrassing watching him stutter and stammer like an idiot with his ahhhs and umms not making eye contact and looking pretty pissed off the whole time.
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Mitt's five most outrageous statements:
1. "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut." Romney flatly lied about the cost of his proposal to cut income-tax rates across the board by another 20 percent (undercutting even the low rates of the Bush tax cuts). Independent economists at the Tax Policy Center have shown that the price tag for those cuts is $360 billion in the first year, a cost that extrapolates to $5 trillion over a decade.
2. "I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans." Romney has claimed that he will pay for his tax cuts by closing a variety of loopholes and deductions. The factual problem? Romney hasn't named a single loophole he's willing to close; worse, there's no way to offset $5 trillion in tax cuts even if you get rid of the entire universe of deductions for the wealthy that Romney has not put off the table (like the carried interest loophole or the 15 percent capital gains rate.) The Tax Policy Center report concludes that Romney's proposal would create a "net tax cut for high-income tax payers and a net tax increase for lower- and or middle-income taxpayers." Moreover, some of Romney's tax cuts are micro-targeted at American dynasties, particularly his proposal to eliminate the estate tax, which would reduce his own sons' tax burden by tens of millions of dollars.
3. "We've got 23 million people out of work or [who have] stopped looking for work in this country." Romney is lying for effect. The nation's crisis of joblessness is bad, but not 23 million bad. The official figure is 12.5 million unemployed. An additional 2.6 million Americans have stopped looking for jobs. How does Romney gin up his eye-popping 23 million figure? He counts more than 8 million wage earners who hold part-time jobs as also being "out of work."
4. Obamacare "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." Romney is reviving Sarah Palin's old death panels lie here. Obamacare does establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board to help constrain the growth of Medicare spending. The body has no authority to dictate the practices of the private insurance marketplace. And the law also makes explicit that this body is banned from rationing care or limiting medical benefits to seniors.
5. "Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." In the biggest whopper of the night, Romney suggested that his health care proposal would guarantee coverage to Americans with pre-existing conditions. This is just not true. Under Romney, if you have a pre-existing condition and have been unable to obtain insurance coverage or if you have had to drop coverage for more than 90 days because you lost your job or couldn't afford the premiums, you would be shit out of luck. Insurance companies could continue to discriminate and deny you coverage, as even Romney's top adviser conceded after the debate was over.
he's also a liar,Romney shot him down at least 2 or 3 times and every time you could see the embarresment in Obama's face,Obama also tryed to control the debate using his position as president to run up the clock and going over his time and Romney handled that very well.
in short Obama lied and was unprepared and Romney stormtrooped his ass.BAHHHHAAAMMMM !
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I really don't get the gloating. it's a debate. things are going to happen. He will most likely be way better next time.
and you call Obama a liar? even if that's true, does that mean you are heralding Romney as a truth-telling messiah?
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Ha, ha, ha. You want a debate based on sound bites. Too funny.
1. He will close loopholes. Yes, specifics were scant on that. However, he did allude to how he would sit down with leaders of Congress to figure this (and other things out). Seems like a logical thing to do rather than ramming his specific ideas down their throats. Getting buy in from all parties to achieve the ultimate goal (maintain overall taxes, but lower tax rates and remove deductions) makes sense. That's what leaders do.
2. Death tax is stupid. You die and your assets should go to the government rather than your heirs? That's lunacy.
3. In debates, sometimes hyperbole is used. What he is alluding to is the number of folks that don't have FULL employment. So, his numbers work.
4. Sarah Palin? WTF are you talking about. He didn't mention one thing about death. By your own admission, he was correct.
5. Pre-exsiting conditions ARE covered under his plan. Within guideliness. That statement is more true than saying his plan simply does not cover them.
These fact checks are nothing more than blue colored painting of what he was saying. Of course HE colors things in a light that would favor his position. IT'S A DEBATE!!!!! That's the art of debating. But, to call these lies is purely partisan.
In Obama's defense, when required to talk substance as he was last night, it's hard to come from a position of failure. So, I do feel bad for him. I can't wait for the foreign policy debate where is record is...wait.. Oh. Nevermind. I'm sure we'll here Osama Bin Laden's name more times in 90 minutes than we did in the last 11 years (he even slotted it in last night in a DOMESTIC debate.
one could argue that calling it hyperbole is purely partisan. if Obama had said something like that, you probably would have called him out as being a liar, no?
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There's really no sense in calling out liars in this one...both sides did their share. Care to comment on Romney's assertion that there are 23 million unemployed?
sadly that is not true. Obama didn't seem comfortable and when your in a debate on TV you have to look comfortable. Obama missed alot of opportunities to explain what he thinks and what he has done.
what you have to understand is that appearance does matter in these things and Mitt looked better than Obama.
Right. He only votes blue when he is in a blue state and pandering to the locals.
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Oh, I misunderstood... I was listening to the content. I guess I should have turned off the sound and just watched instead.
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Actually, no I wouldn't. Unless someone outright lies - i.e. says they lowered taxes when they actually rasied them (or something), then I'm willing to let it slide. I mean - otherwise EVERY single Ad they do (both sides) is a lie.
But, in this case, it wasn't even close to hyperbole, so I probably shouldn't have linked the 2. It's clear by the "fact check" what was meant by the statement. If I were a part time employee, I would not consider myself employed.
then you are a minority.
if you have a job, no matter if it's 1 day a week or 7, you are employed, because you have a job.
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Oh, I misunderstood... I was listening to the content. I guess I should have turned off the sound and just watched instead.[/quote]
whats wrong with you, you actually listen
You are alone in your thinking. MSNBC, Michael Moore, Bill Maher and other bastions that are clearly liberal agreed that Romney won on every front INCLDUING substance. Now, they obviously didn't agree with his policies, etc.. But, even they agreed he came out on top on what was said, not just the visual. Which, maybe combining those 2 statements makes it even more amplified (i.e. they clearly don't agree with the direction he takes, but say he still won in every way possible, including SUBSTANCE).
And, just to be clear - I have no idea what impact this has. It will be a very interesting poli sci study AFTER the election. I for one think debates have minimal impact. But, I guess we'll find out. Debating the debate really doesn't get us anywhere. We'll know in a few weeks if it had impact. Because, clearly, if it Romney wins, it will be concluded it did. If Obama wins, it may even be concluded that it clearly did NOT. Because, objective or not, left or right, there was a clear winner of the debate last night. But, who knows right now what that means to the election?
Oh, goodie. Then the jobs plan should be to take all jobs and divy them 7 ways. That way, we won't just have 0% unemployment, folks will be able to have 3, 4 and 5 jobs AND still have time to see their families.
Anyway, looks like we are all the real losers in the end.
I do find it extremely funny how Romney keeps putting out these numbers like "I will create 12 million jobs". Such a specific number yet he won't give any specific plan. Why not 13 or 14 or 20 million jobs while your at it? Did 12 million just sound about right?
The first two debates do not look good for the dems. Romney is getting good press from last night and seems to me that Ryan should slam dunk all over Biden, but we'll see.
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As to Mitt or Obama winning, there was a different standard of the two. I see why Obama didn't go after Romney on 47% or about his tax rates and offshore acconts. He needed to be cool, presidential and he was. Romney seemed very tense and jumpy. Obama was at a disadvantage and played it fairly well though I would agree a bit to "conservative".
Just wondering if this really swayed anyone.
Race, abortion, rights, religion, taxation? Probably not. Did make it interesting.
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Is foreign policy just war (or lack thereof)?
Does not providing the requested protection to your ambassador count? I would think his family thinks it does.
Ostrich defense does not work. As MacArthur said in his farewell (I paraphrase) - Appeasement is like blackmail. It only leads to greater, more unreasonable demands.
Not saying we need to go to war in any of those places. But, "staying out of it" is not necessarily a good move. History would teach us otherwise.
Except no... he didn't "enumerate" anything. He threw out a few figures that he can't back up... most of the things he said he's already walked back and his own campaign manager has come out to say that he was wrong about a couple things.
But hey... if debates actually changed anything, Jan Brewer wouldn't be Governor.
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I'll side with staying out of it versus not. The US has the capabilities to protect itself and I very much appreciate our strong military. The Libyan conflict as a great example of how we can support (Air and strategy) versus invading or becoming intangled in another freakin war. Romney is insinuating we should be more involved...I disagree. As to the ambassador, yeah that was a real tragedy, but that does not define Obama's foreign policy. Was it Bush's fault on 9-11. Though I think he was an absolute joke, i don't blame him. Can't control everything.
Is foreign policy just war (or lack thereof)?
Does not providing the requested protection to your ambassador count? I would think his family thinks it does.
Ostrich defense does not work. As MacArthur said in his farewell (I paraphrase) - Appeasement is like blackmail. It only leads to greater, more unreasonable demands.
Not saying we need to go to war in any of those places. But, "staying out of it" is not necessarily a good move. History would teach us otherwise.[/quote]
So tell me where we should be more involved? How would you have changed what Obama's done?
Not a chance Willard gets my vote not ever ...
Past three decades....under Republican policies.
Income inequality up
Wage stagnation
Loss of jobs
etc, etc, etc
there's really no need for that. I just thought it was odd to have the notion that not working full time equals being unemployed.
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Obama looked like an amateur without his trusty teleprompter telling him what to say, he was totally lost out there. It was pretty embarrassing watching him stutter and stammer like an idiot with his ahhhs and umms not making eye contact and looking pretty pissed off the whole time.
That must be what you mean yes?
Do some more research