man shoots his 15yr old son in 'burglary'

pandora

redrock wrote:

Here we go again.... :roll:

Choosing to be a victim if one chooses not be armed... :roll:

'nuff said.

This Granny lived through a home invasion without a gun ...

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/gr ... inv/nPtFr/

it would be good to meditate on exactly what she experienced
can you feel it?
then if you want to judge her for deciding to own a gun ...

whatever :fp:

how bout people just realize it's a choice...
you don't want a gun, maybe never need a gun good for you...
this Granny needs and wants one.

redrock

You're way off track again...

Your response and your :fp: have absolutely nothing to do with what I said. But you know that...

I'm not getting into a 'discussion' with you. I have stated an opinion, that is all. Not choosing to be armed is NOT choosing to be a victim. As I said: 'nuff said. End of...

pandora

redrock wrote:

You're way off track again...

Your response and your :fp: have absolutely nothing to do with what I said. But you know that...

I'm not getting into a 'discussion' with you. I have stated an opinion, that is all. Not choosing to be armed is NOT choosing to be a victim. As I said: 'nuff said. End of...

Granny did not choose to be a victim...
men came into her home and brutally victimized her.

Now she is choosing to be a gun owner after living through that.
Certainly can't blame her.

JonnyPistachio

On the topic of guns:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/ap/ap/crim ... -ad/nSQXd/

Colo attack victim wants debates to address guns, By THOMAS PEIPERT
The Associated Press
DENVER — A man wounded in the mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater is appearing in a nationwide television spot aimed at drawing attention to gun violence as part of the upcoming presidential debates.

Stephen Barton, 22, of Southbury, Conn., was among the 58 people injured in the July 20 attack in Aurora that also left 12 people dead.

Barton was bicycling across the country and staying with a friend the night of the shooting. He now does victim outreach and policy research for Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which helped produce the ad that began airing Monday.

In the 30-second TV spot, Barton urges people to ask themselves during the debates which candidate has a plan to stop gun violence.

Filmed inside an empty movie theater, Barton talks about his experience during the shooting as photos are shown of jagged gunshot wounds to his face and neck.

"I was lucky. In the next four years, 48,000 Americans won't be so lucky, because they'll be murdered with guns in the next president's term, enough to fill over 200 theaters," Barton says in the ad.

Meanwhile, the families of eight people killed in the theater shooting joined the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence to urge the moderator of Wednesday's debate to ask President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney about gun violence.

"To ignore the problem of gun violence in a state where two of the worst shootings in U.S. history took place — Aurora and Columbine — would not only be noticeable by its absence but would slight the memories of our loved ones killed," the letter said.

Jim Lehrer of PBS is moderating the event at the University of Denver.
Obama and Romney have been largely quiet about guns during the campaign, except when prodded about high-profile cases.

Obama has supported a renewed ban on assault-type weapons, and he blames Congress for opposing such measures. The president also has signed laws allowing people to carry concealed weapons in national parks and in checked bags on Amtrak trains.

Romney says he thinks the nation needs tougher enforcement of gun laws already on the books, not new gun laws. The key is to identify deranged or distressed people and keep them from carrying out terrible acts, he says.

The TV ad featuring Barton is part of the "Demand A Plan" campaign led by shooting survivors and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a bipartisan group of more than 725 mayors who advocate closing what they say are loopholes in laws designed to prevent felons, domestic violence offenders, people who are seriously mentally ill and other dangerous people from obtaining firearms.

"Especially now, given what's happened in the past few months with guns and these mass shootings, I don't think there is a better opportunity to talk about this," Barton told The Associated Press.

Barton said it's frustrating that the candidates have shied away from gun policy, and he hopes the new ad will start a conversation about gun violence and how to stop it.

"At some point we have to demand a certain level of courage and independence among politicians," he said. "At some point you just have to expect more, even in an election season."

The ad, which does not endorse Obama or Romney, indicates it was paid for by the United Against Illegal Guns Support Fund, the fundraising arm for Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

JonnyPistachio

And here's Stephen Barton's plan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yT8CSgh43E

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

On the topic of guns:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/ap/ap/crim ... -ad/nSQXd/

Colo attack victim wants debates to address guns, By THOMAS PEIPERT
The Associated Press
DENVER — A man wounded in the mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater is appearing in a nationwide television spot aimed at drawing attention to gun violence as part of the upcoming presidential debates.

Stephen Barton, 22, of Southbury, Conn., was among the 58 people injured in the July 20 attack in Aurora that also left 12 people dead.

Barton was bicycling across the country and staying with a friend the night of the shooting. He now does victim outreach and policy research for Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which helped produce the ad that began airing Monday.

In the 30-second TV spot, Barton urges people to ask themselves during the debates which candidate has a plan to stop gun violence.

Filmed inside an empty movie theater, Barton talks about his experience during the shooting as photos are shown of jagged gunshot wounds to his face and neck.

"I was lucky. In the next four years, 48,000 Americans won't be so lucky, because they'll be murdered with guns in the next president's term, enough to fill over 200 theaters," Barton says in the ad.

Meanwhile, the families of eight people killed in the theater shooting joined the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence to urge the moderator of Wednesday's debate to ask President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney about gun violence.

"To ignore the problem of gun violence in a state where two of the worst shootings in U.S. history took place — Aurora and Columbine — would not only be noticeable by its absence but would slight the memories of our loved ones killed," the letter said.

Jim Lehrer of PBS is moderating the event at the University of Denver.
Obama and Romney have been largely quiet about guns during the campaign, except when prodded about high-profile cases.

Obama has supported a renewed ban on assault-type weapons, and he blames Congress for opposing such measures. The president also has signed laws allowing people to carry concealed weapons in national parks and in checked bags on Amtrak trains.

Romney says he thinks the nation needs tougher enforcement of gun laws already on the books, not new gun laws. The key is to identify deranged or distressed people and keep them from carrying out terrible acts, he says.

The TV ad featuring Barton is part of the "Demand A Plan" campaign led by shooting survivors and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a bipartisan group of more than 725 mayors who advocate closing what they say are loopholes in laws designed to prevent felons, domestic violence offenders, people who are seriously mentally ill and other dangerous people from obtaining firearms.

"Especially now, given what's happened in the past few months with guns and these mass shootings, I don't think there is a better opportunity to talk about this," Barton told The Associated Press.

Barton said it's frustrating that the candidates have shied away from gun policy, and he hopes the new ad will start a conversation about gun violence and how to stop it.

"At some point we have to demand a certain level of courage and independence among politicians," he said. "At some point you just have to expect more, even in an election season."

The ad, which does not endorse Obama or Romney, indicates it was paid for by the United Against Illegal Guns Support Fund, the fundraising arm for Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

hmmm...
that sounds like someone I know

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Romney says he thinks the nation needs tougher enforcement of gun laws already on the books, not new gun laws. The key is to identify deranged or distressed people and keep them from carrying out terrible acts, he says.

hmmm...
that sounds like someone I know

it still makes no sense no matter who says it. how the hell do you keep guns out of the hands of the deranged?? most people who commit these horrific crimes are perfectly normal and mentally healthy when they purchased the gun. so how does that work??

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

On the topic of guns:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/ap/ap/crim ... -ad/nSQXd/

Colo attack victim wants debates to address guns, By THOMAS PEIPERT
The Associated Press
DENVER — A man wounded in the mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater is appearing in a nationwide television spot aimed at drawing attention to gun violence as part of the upcoming presidential debates.

Stephen Barton, 22, of Southbury, Conn., was among the 58 people injured in the July 20 attack in Aurora that also left 12 people dead.

Barton was bicycling across the country and staying with a friend the night of the shooting. He now does victim outreach and policy research for Mayors Against Illegal Guns, which helped produce the ad that began airing Monday.

In the 30-second TV spot, Barton urges people to ask themselves during the debates which candidate has a plan to stop gun violence.

Filmed inside an empty movie theater, Barton talks about his experience during the shooting as photos are shown of jagged gunshot wounds to his face and neck.

"I was lucky. In the next four years, 48,000 Americans won't be so lucky, because they'll be murdered with guns in the next president's term, enough to fill over 200 theaters," Barton says in the ad.

Meanwhile, the families of eight people killed in the theater shooting joined the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence to urge the moderator of Wednesday's debate to ask President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney about gun violence.

"To ignore the problem of gun violence in a state where two of the worst shootings in U.S. history took place — Aurora and Columbine — would not only be noticeable by its absence but would slight the memories of our loved ones killed," the letter said.

Jim Lehrer of PBS is moderating the event at the University of Denver.
Obama and Romney have been largely quiet about guns during the campaign, except when prodded about high-profile cases.

Obama has supported a renewed ban on assault-type weapons, and he blames Congress for opposing such measures. The president also has signed laws allowing people to carry concealed weapons in national parks and in checked bags on Amtrak trains.

Romney says he thinks the nation needs tougher enforcement of gun laws already on the books, not new gun laws. The key is to identify deranged or distressed people and keep them from carrying out terrible acts, he says.

The TV ad featuring Barton is part of the "Demand A Plan" campaign led by shooting survivors and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a bipartisan group of more than 725 mayors who advocate closing what they say are loopholes in laws designed to prevent felons, domestic violence offenders, people who are seriously mentally ill and other dangerous people from obtaining firearms.

"Especially now, given what's happened in the past few months with guns and these mass shootings, I don't think there is a better opportunity to talk about this," Barton told The Associated Press.

Barton said it's frustrating that the candidates have shied away from gun policy, and he hopes the new ad will start a conversation about gun violence and how to stop it.

"At some point we have to demand a certain level of courage and independence among politicians," he said. "At some point you just have to expect more, even in an election season."

The ad, which does not endorse Obama or Romney, indicates it was paid for by the United Against Illegal Guns Support Fund, the fundraising arm for Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

hmmm...
that sounds like someone I know

I knew I heard that somewhere

catefrances

does anyone else think the use of the face palm is becoming somewhat overused? can words be used instead or is facepalming just a quick and easy way? im tired of seeing it.

Jason P

catefrances wrote:

does anyone else think the use of the face palm is becoming somewhat overused? can words be used instead or is facepalming just a quick and easy way? im tired of seeing it.

:corn:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

catefrances wrote:

does anyone else think the use of the face palm is becoming somewhat overused? can words be used instead or is facepalming just a quick and easy way? im tired of seeing it.

it's an acceptable way of being rude and condescending.

catefrances

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

catefrances wrote:

does anyone else think the use of the face palm is becoming somewhat overused? can words be used instead or is facepalming just a quick and easy way? im tired of seeing it.

it's an acceptable way of being rude and condescending.

ah condescending... thats the word i was looking for. thanx.

goingtoverona

So what's your solution?

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Romney says he thinks the nation needs tougher enforcement of gun laws already on the books, not new gun laws. The key is to identify deranged or distressed people and keep them from carrying out terrible acts, he says.

hmmm...
that sounds like someone I know

it still makes no sense no matter who says it. how the hell do you keep guns out of the hands of the deranged?? most people who commit these horrific crimes are perfectly normal and mentally healthy when they purchased the gun. so how does that work??

Hugh Freaking Dillon

goingtoverona wrote:

So what's your solution?

ban all non-animal-hunting firearms.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

goingtoverona wrote:

So what's your solution?

There is no overnight fix... but in the interest of public safety for the future, the following steps would be wise and eventually prove worthwhile:

Begin the process of registering all firearms while- at the same time- seizing and destroying all 'illegal' firearms.

Thorough background checks before issuing licenses.

No assault rifles (hobby guns) for the common citizen.

Restict the sales of assault rifle ammunition.

Handguns require 'extra thorough' background checks.

Restrict the sale of handgun ammunition to government sanctioned retailers (where checks and balances can be placed in effect).

goingtoverona

That sounds nice in theory, but how would that work? The reason I ask is, right now cocaine is banned, banned like you want these guns to be, yet I can have an 8 ball delivered to my house in 30 minutes if I so desired. so what is it about guns that would be different than drugs and alcohol back in the day?

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

So what's your solution?

ban all non-animal-hunting firearms.

goingtoverona

Those steps sound promising, most of them anyways, I still don't understand how you would ban assault rifles and not expect them to get into bad peoples hands. I say that just based on what I know about the black market and supply and demand. The other things sound fine, but surely you know that only law abiding citizens care about laws. So you can make laws till your blue in the face, but criminals don't really care about them.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

So what's your solution?

There is no overnight fix... but in the interest of public safety for the future, the following steps would be wise and eventually prove worthwhile:

Begin the process of registering all firearms while- at the same time- seizing and destroying all 'illegal' firearms.

Thorough background checks before issuing licenses.

No assault rifles (hobby guns) for the common citizen.

Restict the sales of assault rifle ammunition.

Handguns require 'extra thorough' background checks.

Restrict the sale of handgun ammunition to government sanctioned retailers (where checks and balances can be placed in effect).

Hugh Freaking Dillon

goingtoverona wrote:

That sounds nice in theory, but how would that work? The reason I ask is, right now cocaine is banned, banned like you want these guns to be, yet I can have an 8 ball delivered to my house in 30 minutes if I so desired. so what is it about guns that would be different than drugs and alcohol back in the day?

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

So what's your solution?

ban all non-animal-hunting firearms.

I'll never understand the idea of "well bad guys have (banned item), so we might as well make it legal so good guys can have (banned item) too!".

in Canada no one is allowed a hand gun, never mind conceal and carry. the idea is to make it illegal so if a bad guy is caught with it, you can do something about it, not say "hey, enjoy your right to conceal and carry around my family, gang banger! have a great afternoon!"

goingtoverona

I know exactly what you mean, I can never understand how people can think that human beings shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves against criminals with guns just to keep a percentage of guns off the streets. I guess both our viewpoints are on opposite sides of the spectrum. But that's what makes debating possible...and fun.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

That sounds nice in theory, but how would that work?

I'll never understand the idea of "well bad guys have (banned item), so we might as well make it legal so good guys can have (banned item) too!".

in Canada no one is allowed a hand gun, never mind conceal and carry. the idea is to make it illegal so if a bad guy is caught with it, you can do something about it, not say "hey, enjoy your right to conceal and carry around my family, gang banger! have a great afternoon!"

Cosmo

catefrances wrote:

does anyone else think the use of the face palm is becoming somewhat overused? can words be used instead or is facepalming just a quick and easy way? im tired of seeing it.

...
The best is when it is used by someone who has no clue on what they are talking about... in response to someone who does.
...
I like it when someone I think might be dumb... proves to me that they are actually... dumb. It's funny.