man shoots his 15yr old son in 'burglary'

dunkman

in which country i hear you ask? have a guess...

oh and whilst tragic it was always inevitable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19756499


A US man mistakenly shot dead his 15-year-old son while investigating what appeared to be an attempted burglary next door, police say.

Jeffrey Giuliano, from New Fairfield in Connecticut, opened fire on a masked teenager outside his sister's house.

Police later told him he had killed his adopted son Tyler. No charges have yet been filed in the case.

"All in all it's a tragedy," said state police spokesman Lt J Paul Vance, quoted by the AP news agency.

According to police, the father was called by his sister, who lives next door, at around 01:00 on Friday (05:00 GMT) when she heard someone outside the house and believed they were attempting to break in.

Mr Giuliano confronted a person wearing a black balaclava and black clothing, and fired his gun when the person lunged at him with "a shiny weapon".

He did not know it was his son until they removed the head covering.

The teenager was discovered by police lying in the driveway with gunshot injuries, his father sitting nearby. Tyler was pronounced dead at the scene.

No charges have been filed, and an autopsy is planned.

Mr Giuliano is a science teacher in the town's school district.

pandora

again :fp: or is this old news?

Bronx Bombers

I feel bad for the dad but his kid was armed and getting ready to rob his neighbor who knows what would've happened had he entered the house, that could've been much worse. One less punk in the world is not a tragedy.

JonnyPistachio

I've seen a couple of these lately...I don't think its old news if its constantly a problem.

_

Bronx Bombers wrote:

I feel bad for the dad but his kid was armed and getting ready to rob his neighbor who knows what would've happened had he entered the house, that could've been much worse. One less punk in the world is not a tragedy.

I think it remains to be seen whether the kid was actually armed or the dad just thought he was armed. And, by all accounts I've read elsewhere, he was a good kid - not a punk. (But how quick we are to judge...)

_

This is one reason I got rid of my gun a long time ago. If someone actually did break into my house, I'd be terrified and would likely shoot him. But I don't want to kill anyone. Everyone is someone's son (or daughter).

Bronx Bombers

_ wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

I feel bad for the dad but his kid was armed and getting ready to rob his neighbor who knows what would've happened had he entered the house, that could've been much worse. One less punk in the world is not a tragedy.

I think it remains to be seen whether the kid was actually armed or the dad just thought he was armed. And, by all accounts I've read elsewhere, he was a good kid - not a punk. (But how quick we are to judge...)

Good kids don't wear ski masks and break into houses.

_

Bronx Bombers wrote:

_ wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

I feel bad for the dad but his kid was armed and getting ready to rob his neighbor who knows what would've happened had he entered the house, that could've been much worse. One less punk in the world is not a tragedy.

I think it remains to be seen whether the kid was actually armed or the dad just thought he was armed. And, by all accounts I've read elsewhere, he was a good kid - not a punk. (But how quick we are to judge...)

Good kids don't wear ski masks and break into houses.

He didn't actually break into the house. They don't know whether he was going to break in or was just playing a prank on his aunt.

dimitrispearljam

tragic

Bronx Bombers

_ wrote:

He didn't actually break into the house. They don't know whether he was going to break in or was just playing a prank on his aunt.

If it was a prank give the kid a Darwin Award.

MotoDC

_ wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

I feel bad for the dad but his kid was armed and getting ready to rob his neighbor who knows what would've happened had he entered the house, that could've been much worse. One less punk in the world is not a tragedy.

I think it remains to be seen whether the kid was actually armed or the dad just thought he was armed. And, by all accounts I've read elsewhere, he was a good kid - not a punk. (But how quick we are to judge...)

Yeah the article goes out of its way not to mention anything about whether the kid was actually trying to rob the neighbor. That or the story is so fresh that they just don't have the detail. Who knows what "lunged at me with a shiny object" will turn into as the story develops. The Trayvon story varied wildly over the course of time.

MotoDC

Bronx Bombers wrote:

_ wrote:

He didn't actually break into the house. They don't know whether he was going to break in or was just playing a prank on his aunt.

If it was a prank give the kid a Darwin Award.

If it was a prank, wouldn't the kid have wet his pants and immediately dropped the "shiny object" when he saw his step dad with a gun? Complete conjecture here on my part, but it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.

Cosmo

Need to find out WHY the kid was out there. Like, WHY would he be breaking into his Aunt's house? If he want to steal something... he could probably just go over there when he knew she was out at the super market ot doctor's office or something.
But, yes... it is tragic.

ComeToTX

Some of you may be missing that it was his aunts house. Seems like a prank to me. I hope he was armed for the dads sake.

EdsonNascimento

Tragic is right. This seems to have a few more details. Apparently there was a (unrelated) violent burglary in the same community earlier in the week. So, perhaps folks were on edge.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loca ... 49751.html

I'm sure there will be more to the story. Regardless, tragic is still the right word.

Meg8686

& thats why guns are bad, m'kay. It's not guns themselves, it's the freaking idiots who own them. So So so so glad we have tighter gun controls inthe UK. Probably the only thing I like about england.

RW81233

dead 15 year old's are never cool, and never deserved. so the kid may have been stealing something from his aunt he deserves to be dead? we are fucked up as a country.

hedonist

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Tragic is right. This seems to have a few more details. Apparently there was a (unrelated) violent burglary in the same community earlier in the week. So, perhaps folks were on edge.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loca ... 49751.html

I'm sure there will be more to the story. Regardless, tragic is still the right word.

A young life was lost in a pretty stupid and reckless moment on the boy's part. Of course more details will come out - always do - but based on the above article, the shooter was trying to protect his sister/sister's property, a masked someone comes at him with what turns out to be a knife (if it were me and I saw someone in "thief gear" bearing a shiny something, I'd think it was a weapon too; then I'd high-tail it). And, the kid moved toward him with it - he could've stabbed his stepfather and there would be no less of a tragedy here.

Wish I knew what that kid was thinking at the time. And I can't imagine the grief, guilt, regret, you name it, that the man will hold.

Really sad all around.

Bronx Bombers

Meg8686 wrote:

So So so so glad we have tighter gun controls inthe UK. Probably the only thing I like about england.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... 93921.html

I wonder if these two officers would still be alive if they were allowed to carry guns.

Meg8686

Nope. not being baited. the LAST thing out police need are Guns....guns are for pussys btw

hedonist

Meg8686 wrote:

guns are for pussys btw

I'm not a gun owner but that's pretty insulting to those who are - the responsible ones, at least.

I know, entitled to one's opinion, yadda yadda, but still.

_

"The medical examiner determined that Tyler died of multiple gunshot wounds."

He didn't think shooting the kid once was enough?

catefrances

MotoDC wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

_ wrote:

He didn't actually break into the house. They don't know whether he was going to break in or was just playing a prank on his aunt.

If it was a prank give the kid a Darwin Award.

If it was a prank, wouldn't the kid have wet his pants and immediately dropped the "shiny object" when he saw his step dad with a gun? Complete conjecture here on my part, but it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.

why would the kid lunge at his father? why wouldnt he identify himself? why didnt the father call out a verbal warning?

pandora

Ok finally heard this yesterday in the car on the news radio channel.

Left me with many questions and a fishy feeling. I need more info.

We had gun related stories here in Atl this week. One a homeowner defended himself
and his property and sent 2 parasites to the hospital and then off to prison,
hopefully for a long time, helping many others like himself not to be victimized.

The other very sad...
A well loved shop keep described as a man who would give you the shirt of his back,
a pillar in his small community, stopped and got groceries on his way home
early one evening last week.
Unarmed he was unloading his trunk and was shot dead.
His family, friends, myself are mourning this incredible man and his senseless death.
The sick bastards are on the street to kill again.

One never knows when it will be their turn.
If one feels the need to be prepared to defend themselves or their home,
as many do these days,
it is our right and in doing so you may prevent others from being victimized also.

This kid ... he had a knife along? :? 1 am breaking into the next door neighbors house?
Why? It's his Aunts house what was the weapon for? Something fishy here yes?
http://www.theledger.com/article/201209 ... -Next-Door

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pandora wrote:

Ok finally heard this yesterday in the car on the news radio channel.

Left me with many questions and a fishy feeling. I need more info.

We had gun related stories here in Atl this week. One a homeowner defended himself
and his property and sent 2 parasites to the hospital and then off to prison,
hopefully for a long time, helping many others like himself not to be victimized.

The other very sad...
A well loved shop keep described as a man who would give you the shirt of his back,
a pillar in his small community, stopped and got groceries on his way home
early one evening last week.
Unarmed he was unloading his trunk and was shot dead.
His family, friends, myself are mourning this incredible man and his senseless death.
The sick bastards are on the street to kill again.

One never knows when it will be their turn.
If one feels the need to be prepared to defend themselves or their home,
as many do these days,
it is our right and in doing so you may prevent others from being victimized also.

This kid ... he had a knife along? :? 1 am breaking into the next door neighbors house?
Why? It's his Aunts house what was the weapon for? Something fishy here yes?
http://www.theledger.com/article/201209 ... -Next-Door

So, if the guy had might have had a gun (as you kind of suggested would have been a wise thing to have never knowing when it will be your turn)... am I to assume you think that, while unloading the trunk of his car, he would have had the wherewithal to drop his load, grab his 'rightfully owned' handgun, quickly take aim, and then put a cap in that 'sick bastard's' ass before getting shot? Just as easy as that, huh? You have a gun and all the problems go away?

Let me more directly suggest that if the gun the 'sick bastard' used wasn't on the streets to begin with... the poor fellow might be watching the Ryder Cup as I write.

As for the guy shooting his son... well, geez. Brutal. And weird. A really strange story.

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

Ok finally heard this yesterday in the car on the news radio channel.

Left me with many questions and a fishy feeling. I need more info.

We had gun related stories here in Atl this week. One a homeowner defended himself
and his property and sent 2 parasites to the hospital and then off to prison,
hopefully for a long time, helping many others like himself not to be victimized.

The other very sad...
A well loved shop keep described as a man who would give you the shirt of his back,
a pillar in his small community, stopped and got groceries on his way home
early one evening last week.
Unarmed he was unloading his trunk and was shot dead.
His family, friends, myself are mourning this incredible man and his senseless death.
The sick bastards are on the street to kill again.

One never knows when it will be their turn.
If one feels the need to be prepared to defend themselves or their home,
as many do these days,
it is our right and in doing so you may prevent others from being victimized also.

This kid ... he had a knife along? :? 1 am breaking into the next door neighbors house?
Why? It's his Aunts house what was the weapon for? Something fishy here yes?
http://www.theledger.com/article/201209 ... -Next-Door

So, if the guy had might have had a gun (as you kind of suggested would have been a wise thing to have never knowing when it will be your turn)... am I to assume you think that, while unloading the trunk of his car, he would have had the wherewithal to drop his load, grab his 'rightfully owned' handgun, quickly take aim, and then put a cap in that 'sick bastard's' ass before getting shot? Just as easy as that, huh? You have a gun and all the problems go away?

Let me more directly suggest that if the gun the 'sick bastard' used wasn't on the streets to begin with... the poor fellow might be watching the Ryder Cup as I write.

As for the guy shooting his son... well, geez. Brutal. And weird. A really strange story.

Foolishness, do you live in la la land? I hear la la land has no guns
This man lived in Riverdale, the real world, really real.

Bad guys will always have guns ... always. They follow no laws,
their purpose is to victimize others, this is their livelihood.

And yes if he had had a gun he may have had a chance...
like the first gun incident which you don't address at all ...
why is that? Cause the homeowner, like many, are fighting back and succeeding.
One would think you would be happy for that man and actually give him kudos
for taking two off the streets.
I am, I do

Weird story here yes ... what was that kid thinking? What did he expect to get?
and why? If you wanted to steal something from your Aunt's house wouldn't it be
better to be there in broad daylight and just try to sneak it. And why armed with
a knife? Was he prepared to use it? Having a weapon along makes it sinister....
down right crazy crap.

Zoso

I don't care what anyone says.. less guns = less deaths

pandora

Zoso wrote:

I don't care what anyone says.. less guns = less deaths

you are right! ...

less bad guy deaths! :fp:

Zoso

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I don't care what anyone says.. less guns = less deaths

you are right! ...

less bad guy deaths! :fp:

less deaths generally.. I don't care if it's a criminal or an innocent bystanter.. the statistics show their is more chance to have an accidental injury or death result from owning a gun as opposed to actually 'protecting' you from the 'bad guys'. Minnesota last week was another example.

MotoDC

catefrances wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

If it was a prank, wouldn't the kid have wet his pants and immediately dropped the "shiny object" when he saw his step dad with a gun? Complete conjecture here on my part, but it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.

why would the kid lunge at his father? why wouldnt he identify himself? why didnt the father call out a verbal warning?

All excellent -- and as yet unanswered -- questions. Which is why I heavily caveated my posts with "conjecture" and "don't have the detail".

And now we're finding out the kid was shot multiple times? Even more strangeness in this half-story.

Even if the kid was robbing the aunt; even if the kid WAS lunging at the stepdad in order to stab him -- can you even imagine the grief that would go along with killing your stepson? Yikes.

catefrances

Zoso wrote:

less deaths generally.. I don't care if it's a criminal or an innocent bystanter.. the statistics show their is more chance to have an accidental injury or death result from owning a gun as opposed to actually 'protecting' you from the 'bad guys'. Minnesota last week was another example.

my favourite gun stories are when dogs 'accidently' shoot people.