man shoots his 15yr old son in 'burglary'

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"The medical examiner determined that Tyler died of multiple gunshot wounds."

He didn't think shooting the kid once was enough?

catefrances

MotoDC wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

_ wrote:

He didn't actually break into the house. They don't know whether he was going to break in or was just playing a prank on his aunt.

If it was a prank give the kid a Darwin Award.

If it was a prank, wouldn't the kid have wet his pants and immediately dropped the "shiny object" when he saw his step dad with a gun? Complete conjecture here on my part, but it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.

why would the kid lunge at his father? why wouldnt he identify himself? why didnt the father call out a verbal warning?

pandora

Ok finally heard this yesterday in the car on the news radio channel.

Left me with many questions and a fishy feeling. I need more info.

We had gun related stories here in Atl this week. One a homeowner defended himself
and his property and sent 2 parasites to the hospital and then off to prison,
hopefully for a long time, helping many others like himself not to be victimized.

The other very sad...
A well loved shop keep described as a man who would give you the shirt of his back,
a pillar in his small community, stopped and got groceries on his way home
early one evening last week.
Unarmed he was unloading his trunk and was shot dead.
His family, friends, myself are mourning this incredible man and his senseless death.
The sick bastards are on the street to kill again.

One never knows when it will be their turn.
If one feels the need to be prepared to defend themselves or their home,
as many do these days,
it is our right and in doing so you may prevent others from being victimized also.

This kid ... he had a knife along? :? 1 am breaking into the next door neighbors house?
Why? It's his Aunts house what was the weapon for? Something fishy here yes?
http://www.theledger.com/article/201209 ... -Next-Door

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pandora wrote:

Ok finally heard this yesterday in the car on the news radio channel.

Left me with many questions and a fishy feeling. I need more info.

We had gun related stories here in Atl this week. One a homeowner defended himself
and his property and sent 2 parasites to the hospital and then off to prison,
hopefully for a long time, helping many others like himself not to be victimized.

The other very sad...
A well loved shop keep described as a man who would give you the shirt of his back,
a pillar in his small community, stopped and got groceries on his way home
early one evening last week.
Unarmed he was unloading his trunk and was shot dead.
His family, friends, myself are mourning this incredible man and his senseless death.
The sick bastards are on the street to kill again.

One never knows when it will be their turn.
If one feels the need to be prepared to defend themselves or their home,
as many do these days,
it is our right and in doing so you may prevent others from being victimized also.

This kid ... he had a knife along? :? 1 am breaking into the next door neighbors house?
Why? It's his Aunts house what was the weapon for? Something fishy here yes?
http://www.theledger.com/article/201209 ... -Next-Door

So, if the guy had might have had a gun (as you kind of suggested would have been a wise thing to have never knowing when it will be your turn)... am I to assume you think that, while unloading the trunk of his car, he would have had the wherewithal to drop his load, grab his 'rightfully owned' handgun, quickly take aim, and then put a cap in that 'sick bastard's' ass before getting shot? Just as easy as that, huh? You have a gun and all the problems go away?

Let me more directly suggest that if the gun the 'sick bastard' used wasn't on the streets to begin with... the poor fellow might be watching the Ryder Cup as I write.

As for the guy shooting his son... well, geez. Brutal. And weird. A really strange story.

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

Ok finally heard this yesterday in the car on the news radio channel.

Left me with many questions and a fishy feeling. I need more info.

We had gun related stories here in Atl this week. One a homeowner defended himself
and his property and sent 2 parasites to the hospital and then off to prison,
hopefully for a long time, helping many others like himself not to be victimized.

The other very sad...
A well loved shop keep described as a man who would give you the shirt of his back,
a pillar in his small community, stopped and got groceries on his way home
early one evening last week.
Unarmed he was unloading his trunk and was shot dead.
His family, friends, myself are mourning this incredible man and his senseless death.
The sick bastards are on the street to kill again.

One never knows when it will be their turn.
If one feels the need to be prepared to defend themselves or their home,
as many do these days,
it is our right and in doing so you may prevent others from being victimized also.

This kid ... he had a knife along? :? 1 am breaking into the next door neighbors house?
Why? It's his Aunts house what was the weapon for? Something fishy here yes?
http://www.theledger.com/article/201209 ... -Next-Door

So, if the guy had might have had a gun (as you kind of suggested would have been a wise thing to have never knowing when it will be your turn)... am I to assume you think that, while unloading the trunk of his car, he would have had the wherewithal to drop his load, grab his 'rightfully owned' handgun, quickly take aim, and then put a cap in that 'sick bastard's' ass before getting shot? Just as easy as that, huh? You have a gun and all the problems go away?

Let me more directly suggest that if the gun the 'sick bastard' used wasn't on the streets to begin with... the poor fellow might be watching the Ryder Cup as I write.

As for the guy shooting his son... well, geez. Brutal. And weird. A really strange story.

Foolishness, do you live in la la land? I hear la la land has no guns
This man lived in Riverdale, the real world, really real.

Bad guys will always have guns ... always. They follow no laws,
their purpose is to victimize others, this is their livelihood.

And yes if he had had a gun he may have had a chance...
like the first gun incident which you don't address at all ...
why is that? Cause the homeowner, like many, are fighting back and succeeding.
One would think you would be happy for that man and actually give him kudos
for taking two off the streets.
I am, I do :clap:

Weird story here yes ... what was that kid thinking? What did he expect to get?
and why? If you wanted to steal something from your Aunt's house wouldn't it be
better to be there in broad daylight and just try to sneak it. And why armed with
a knife? Was he prepared to use it? Having a weapon along makes it sinister....
down right crazy crap.

Zoso

I don't care what anyone says.. less guns = less deaths

pandora

Zoso wrote:

I don't care what anyone says.. less guns = less deaths

you are right! ...

less bad guy deaths! :fp:

Zoso

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

I don't care what anyone says.. less guns = less deaths

you are right! ...

less bad guy deaths! :fp:

less deaths generally.. I don't care if it's a criminal or an innocent bystanter.. the statistics show their is more chance to have an accidental injury or death result from owning a gun as opposed to actually 'protecting' you from the 'bad guys'. Minnesota last week was another example.

MotoDC

catefrances wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Bronx Bombers wrote:

If it was a prank, wouldn't the kid have wet his pants and immediately dropped the "shiny object" when he saw his step dad with a gun? Complete conjecture here on my part, but it will be interesting to see how this story plays out.

why would the kid lunge at his father? why wouldnt he identify himself? why didnt the father call out a verbal warning?

All excellent -- and as yet unanswered -- questions. Which is why I heavily caveated my posts with "conjecture" and "don't have the detail".

And now we're finding out the kid was shot multiple times? Even more strangeness in this half-story.

Even if the kid was robbing the aunt; even if the kid WAS lunging at the stepdad in order to stab him -- can you even imagine the grief that would go along with killing your stepson? Yikes.

catefrances

Zoso wrote:

less deaths generally.. I don't care if it's a criminal or an innocent bystanter.. the statistics show their is more chance to have an accidental injury or death result from owning a gun as opposed to actually 'protecting' you from the 'bad guys'. Minnesota last week was another example.

my favourite gun stories are when dogs 'accidently' shoot people.

catefrances

MotoDC wrote:

catefrances wrote:

why would the kid lunge at his father? why wouldnt he identify himself? why didnt the father call out a verbal warning?

All excellent -- and as yet unanswered -- questions. Which is why I heavily caveated my posts with "conjecture" and "don't have the detail".

And now we're finding out the kid was shot multiple times? Even more strangeness in this half-story.

Even if the kid was robbing the aunt; even if the kid WAS lunging at the stepdad in order to stab him -- can you even imagine the grief that would go along with killing your stepson? Yikes.

if i was doing something shifty and was confronted by my father who was armed, i think id be whipping that balaclava off lickety split and saying, dad its me dont shoot. but i dunno... was the kid high or something? was he mentally unstable? did he not understand the gravity of his situation? well i guess the last question will probably go unanswered considering.

MotoDC

catefrances wrote:

if i was doing something shifty and was confronted by my father who was armed, i think id be whipping that balaclava off lickety split and saying, dad its me dont shoot. but i dunno... was the kid high or something? was he mentally unstable? did he not understand the gravity of his situation? well i guess the last question will probably go unanswered considering.

Ok yeah I had to google "balaclava". But I agree, too much of this story doesn't make sense yet.

goingtoverona

This statement is 100 percent true. But you can say that with everything that kills people. less cars means less deaths, less cigarettes means less death, less alcohol means less wife beaters and drunk drivers. Can you imagine how many animal lives alone would be saved if there were less cars.

Zoso wrote:

I don't care what anyone says.. less guns = less deaths

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pandora wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

Ok finally heard this yesterday in the car on the news radio channel.

Left me with many questions and a fishy feeling. I need more info.

We had gun related stories here in Atl this week. One a homeowner defended himself
and his property and sent 2 parasites to the hospital and then off to prison,
hopefully for a long time, helping many others like himself not to be victimized.

The other very sad...
A well loved shop keep described as a man who would give you the shirt of his back,
a pillar in his small community, stopped and got groceries on his way home
early one evening last week.
Unarmed he was unloading his trunk and was shot dead.
His family, friends, myself are mourning this incredible man and his senseless death.
The sick bastards are on the street to kill again.

One never knows when it will be their turn.
If one feels the need to be prepared to defend themselves or their home,
as many do these days,
it is our right and in doing so you may prevent others from being victimized also.

This kid ... he had a knife along? :? 1 am breaking into the next door neighbors house?
Why? It's his Aunts house what was the weapon for? Something fishy here yes?
http://www.theledger.com/article/201209 ... -Next-Door

So, if the guy had might have had a gun (as you kind of suggested would have been a wise thing to have never knowing when it will be your turn)... am I to assume you think that, while unloading the trunk of his car, he would have had the wherewithal to drop his load, grab his 'rightfully owned' handgun, quickly take aim, and then put a cap in that 'sick bastard's' ass before getting shot? Just as easy as that, huh? You have a gun and all the problems go away?

Let me more directly suggest that if the gun the 'sick bastard' used wasn't on the streets to begin with... the poor fellow might be watching the Ryder Cup as I write.

As for the guy shooting his son... well, geez. Brutal. And weird. A really strange story.

Foolishness, do you live in la la land? I hear la la land has no guns
This man lived in Riverdale, the real world, really real.

Bad guys will always have guns ... always. They follow no laws,
their purpose is to victimize others, this is their livelihood.

And yes if he had had a gun he may have had a chance...
like the first gun incident which you don't address at all ...
why is that? Cause the homeowner, like many, are fighting back and succeeding.
One would think you would be happy for that man and actually give him kudos
for taking two off the streets.
I am, I do :clap:

Weird story here yes ... what was that kid thinking? What did he expect to get?
and why? If you wanted to steal something from your Aunt's house wouldn't it be
better to be there in broad daylight and just try to sneak it. And why armed with
a knife? Was he prepared to use it? Having a weapon along makes it sinister....
down right crazy crap.

I shouldn't get into this with you because whenever I do... I am lesser for it. I feel as if I have argued with a child; however, you have called me foolish and because you have... a response is demanded.

I initially got sucked into responding to your dribble because you seem to look for opportunities to flaunt your position over and over again regarding gun control- remember the thread that got locked when you used a PJ forum record 1,242 :fp: ?

You advocate for 'wild west justice': a society that sees everyone armed and gunning down anyone that comes across as a threat. Sheer absurdity. Ridiculous.

And you ask me if I live in La La Land?

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So, if the guy had might have had a gun (as you kind of suggested would have been a wise thing to have never knowing when it will be your turn)... am I to assume you think that, while unloading the trunk of his car, he would have had the wherewithal to drop his load, grab his 'rightfully owned' handgun, quickly take aim, and then put a cap in that 'sick bastard's' ass before getting shot? Just as easy as that, huh? You have a gun and all the problems go away?

Let me more directly suggest that if the gun the 'sick bastard' used wasn't on the streets to begin with... the poor fellow might be watching the Ryder Cup as I write.

As for the guy shooting his son... well, geez. Brutal. And weird. A really strange story.

Foolishness, do you live in la la land? I hear la la land has no guns
This man lived in Riverdale, the real world, really real.

Bad guys will always have guns ... always. They follow no laws,
their purpose is to victimize others, this is their livelihood.

And yes if he had had a gun he may have had a chance...
like the first gun incident which you don't address at all ...
why is that? Cause the homeowner, like many, are fighting back and succeeding.
One would think you would be happy for that man and actually give him kudos
for taking two off the streets.
I am, I do :clap:

Weird story here yes ... what was that kid thinking? What did he expect to get?
and why? If you wanted to steal something from your Aunt's house wouldn't it be
better to be there in broad daylight and just try to sneak it. And why armed with
a knife? Was he prepared to use it? Having a weapon along makes it sinister....
down right crazy crap.

I shouldn't get into this with you because whenever I do... I am lesser for it. I feel as if I have argued with a child; however, you have called me foolish and because you have... a response is demanded.

I initially got sucked into responding to your dribble because you seem to look for opportunities to flaunt your position over and over again regarding gun control- remember the thread that got locked when you used a PJ forum record 1,242 :fp: ?

You advocate for 'wild west justice': a society that sees everyone armed and gunning down anyone that comes across as a threat. Sheer absurdity. Ridiculous.

And you ask me if I live in La La Land?

Please resist! don't get sucked in again,
Dribble... insulting and arrogant, it was you, of course, who responded first :fp:

and flaunt... or is it you flaunting your anti gun stance?...
come on ...
I told 2 stories that happened here, real life stories
that affected me personally and explains exactly why I feel this basic right
is needed. You don't agree fine but don't put another poster down
with derogatory statements. Poor show on your part.
Could this be the lessor part?

It is foolish to believe we can rid the streets of guns. Do you live in the US?
This is what I call foolishness and la la land.... nothing insulting or directed at you.
Speaking of a child, a child understands, this is basic to protect oneself.

Again why don't you speak of the other story where the homeowner protected himself
and property?
puttingt two bad guys in prison, protecting society in turn?
Oh wait, I know why.

And why can you not give him a kudos for being alive and fighting back?
Would you have him dead too?

And why must you think if the man who was shot dead by the trunk of his car,
why could he have not had a fighting chance?
That his outcome could not be the same as the victory for the homeowner?
Oh wait, I know why.

As far as the Wild West, perhaps that had a lot to do with where our laws originated.
I think when someone forces their way into your home,
where your wife and children sleep, it might feel very much the same as long ago,
the right to protect.

Today it is within the law to protect one's own life and property.
Many are choosing to do this. Many are succeeding,
contrary to what the anti gun people will recognize, as you with my story.
Here lies the key.

And yes, by all means lets agree to disagree on gun ownership and protecting oneself.

Again with this particular story so many questions.
When were the police called? Who called them?
was it before or as the father ran next door? Or was that after the fact?
Was the teen on drugs, as someone mentioned? Motive? Why was he armed?
If his reason was to burglarize why have a knife?
I googled again no new answers to the questions.

dunkman

pandora wrote:

Again why don't you speak of the other story where the homeowner protected himself
and property?
puttingt two bad guys in prison, protecting society in turn?
Oh wait, I know why.

does anyone else get bored of reading this kind of argument?

Is it really worth shooting 2 people, 2 people who might die, because they want your TV?

What if they had guns... is it worth totally endangering the lives of yourself, your family, etc because some shitbag wants your iPad?

weird.

EdsonNascimento

dunkman wrote:

pandora wrote:

Again why don't you speak of the other story where the homeowner protected himself
and property?
puttingt two bad guys in prison, protecting society in turn?
Oh wait, I know why.

does anyone else get bored of reading this kind of argument?

Is it really worth shooting 2 people, 2 people who might die, because they want your TV?

What if they had guns... is it worth totally endangering the lives of yourself, your family, etc because some shitbag wants your iPad?

weird.

That's obviously equally as silly. Sometimes they want more than your iPad.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/conn ... GckNdCKO/1

pandora

dunkman wrote:

pandora wrote:

Again why don't you speak of the other story where the homeowner protected himself
and property?
puttingt two bad guys in prison, protecting society in turn?
Oh wait, I know why.

does anyone else get bored of reading this kind of argument?

Is it really worth shooting 2 people, 2 people who might die, because they want your TV?

What if they had guns... is it worth totally endangering the lives of yourself, your family, etc because some shitbag wants your iPad?

weird.

Bored with ... :fp: wow that say's alot...
can you put yourself in the shoes of someone who has faced home invasion?
Or are you so far removed from that danger you can not empathize?

The scum who enter homes are preying upon others,
they put themselves in the position for violence.
Many homeowners will not be victims,
as the local homeowner here and yes I'm glad for the outcome,
two predators off the street. :clap:

If you choose to be a victim fine that's your choice but that's not fine with everyone,
some people are willing to protect themselves and their homes. It is their choice.

redrock

Here we go again.... :roll:

Choosing to be a victim if one chooses not be armed... :roll:

'nuff said.

redrock

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

So, if the guy had might have had a gun (as you kind of suggested would have been a wise thing to have never knowing when it will be your turn)... am I to assume you think that, while unloading the trunk of his car, he would have had the wherewithal to drop his load, grab his 'rightfully owned' handgun, quickly take aim, and then put a cap in that 'sick bastard's' ass before getting shot? Just as easy as that, huh? You have a gun and all the problems go away?

Yeah... I was trying to figure out how one could do that.. lightening and super sharp reflexes being caught by surprise, with your hands full.... Should this person have had a gun on him, it would not had made an iota of difference.

In the case of the story ref this thread - I bet Mr. Giuliano wishes he hadn't been so quick on the trigger.... Not only does he have to live with the thought of killing a human being, he has to live with the fact he killed his son.