I don't see many on here judging the president that way.
He went to a Muslim school, his dad was Muslim, his step dad was Muslim , how is that racist or bigoted if true. Why did he change his name?
:?
When did he change his name?
He went by the nickname "Barry" in college, apparently.
Much like how Willard Romney goes by the name "Mitt."
A scandal if I ever heard one.
Barry Soetoro is his adopted name....from what I understand his name changed when his step dad adopted him....did he change it back to Obama legally?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Im getting rid of PJ Bootlegs, EV tix, etc... if anyone is interested let me know.
I wont support someone that supports this guy via raising $2mill for him.
After the gun scandal that he exercised excutive privilege on, he should be impeached.
Not to mention all the protesting EV did about war and Obama has been in more countrys with our military fighting than Bush!
Its a joke and he is counting on his fans to not pay attention here and bounce up and down at his shows.
What happen to "no more war" ? and blaming the president ? its been four years and EV raises $2Mill buck for him ? Really??? :nono: The old Eddie is 'Gone'.
Liked him better when he was promting Ralph Nater based on Ralph's character.
Who said anything about fearing anyone bc of their middle names?
You guys reaching...
Hilarious
Woot
I say our Presidents name and the SAME people call foul and racism for that alone?
Insane around here. HILARIOUS I say!
Your posts are generally fearful, hate filled, contemptuos generalisations, which are frightening at times at their lack of depth or reasoning.
You know full well what game you are playing when using his middle name as such. Also, one factor very common with rasicts across the world is their denial of such. But you see that is why we judge someone not on their denials, but on their assertions, and my friend you have made many.
most of it is a game to him. nothing more than entertainment. plays us against ourselves. baiting. hes a master at it. Hes a master baiter.
seriously though, not much I can see thats either overt or covert about some of these posts from him. Says a lot about others though. as vehemently as some oppose the views as stated here , they continue to engage in it. rather than simply ignoring what they may find objectionable.
If some find it that objectionable click the report button, but I think much thought goes into wording so it stays within posting guidelines. he often uses this as a means of shutting others down or at least his interpretation of them.
Im getting rid of PJ Bootlegs, EV tix, etc... if anyone is interested let me know.
I wont support someone that supports this guy via raising $2mill for him.
After the gun scandal that he exercised excutive privilege on, he should be impeached.
Not to mention all the protesting EV did about war and Obama has been in more countrys with our military fighting than Bush!
Its a joke and he is counting on his fans to not pay attention here and bounce up and down at his shows.
What happen to "no more war" ? and blaming the president ? its been four years and EV raises $2Mill buck for him ? Really??? :nono: The old Eddie is 'Gone'.
Liked him better when he was promting Ralph Nater based on Ralph's character.
PS. Not joking about the tickets and bootlegs.
I'll take the bootlegs and such off your hands. PM me and I'll give you my address.
Im getting rid of PJ Bootlegs, EV tix, etc... if anyone is interested let me know.
I wont support someone that supports this guy via raising $2mill for him.
After the gun scandal that he exercised excutive privilege on, he should be impeached.
Not to mention all the protesting EV did about war and Obama has been in more countrys with our military fighting than Bush!
Its a joke and he is counting on his fans to not pay attention here and bounce up and down at his shows.
What happen to "no more war" ? and blaming the president ? its been four years and EV raises $2Mill buck for him ? Really??? :nono: The old Eddie is 'Gone'.
Liked him better when he was promting Ralph Nater based on Ralph's character.
PS. Not joking about the tickets and bootlegs.
I'll take the bootlegs and such off your hands. PM me and I'll give you my address.
Im getting rid of PJ Bootlegs, EV tix, etc... if anyone is interested let me know.
I wont support someone that supports this guy via raising $2mill for him.
After the gun scandal that he exercised excutive privilege on, he should be impeached.
Not to mention all the protesting EV did about war and Obama has been in more countrys with our military fighting than Bush!
Its a joke and he is counting on his fans to not pay attention here and bounce up and down at his shows.
What happen to "no more war" ? and blaming the president ? its been four years and EV raises $2Mill buck for him ? Really??? :nono: The old Eddie is 'Gone'.
Liked him better when he was promting Ralph Nater based on Ralph's character.
PS. Not joking about the tickets and bootlegs.
I'll take the bootlegs and such off your hands. PM me and I'll give you my address.
I don't blame you......I got into the band way back when I heard they were trying not to use ticket master so that people could afford tickets.......Eddie is coming to my town and the tickets are so much there is no way I could bring myself to pay that amount. Now I see he is supporting a dinner ( I don't care who it is for) at Twenty thousand a plate? They sold out in the biggest way! Like the guy in Metallica that supports horrendous fines on kids that record there music......Greed! If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything!
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I'll take the bootlegs and such off your hands. PM me and I'll give you my address. [/quote][/quote]
I don't blame you......I got into the band way back when I heard they were trying not to use ticket master so that people could afford tickets.......Eddie is coming to my town and the tickets are so much there is no way I could bring myself to pay that amount. Now I see he is supporting a dinner ( I don't care who it is for) at Twenty thousand a plate? They sold out in the biggest way! Like the guy in Metallica that supports horrendous fines on kids that record there music......Greed! If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything![/quote]
Yes Eddie V has fallen to politics. Used to like what he had to say, he was alyways full of it on some things but he was thinking and sincere. Now he feels sold out. He needs to stop knocking the BILL OF RIGHTS. What other rights dont you like?
most of pearl jam's music and lyrics fall to the left of center. are you really that surprised that ed is supporting someone and opposing someone else? he has a platform and he is using it. to not use that platform is irresponsible...
i think you are about 9 years too late for the eddie hate and the huff and puff about selling the things you liked and maybe even cherished up until about 6 months ago.... we went through it all in the lead up to the iraq war, and you know what? most of those people still post here and still renew their membership and still buy merch and music from here...
i see this is him using his right to publicly support a candidate and you employing your right to make a similar statement by selling the things you don't want anymore. you are a consumer, you vote every day with how you spend your money. i understand your frustration but you aren't the first and you won't be the last.
it is like clockwork that we have to read stuff like this every election cycle....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Did I say I was suprised ? No Im not at all.
He is entitled to use his platform, I dont have to pay for it.
9 years too late, nope, just like eddie I can say whatever I like as well cant I?
Or is idol worship the only thing allowed?
Quit frankly I dont care if Im the first or the last.
I think its sad that he raised $2mil bucks for someone who covers up gun runners.
most of pearl jam's music and lyrics fall to the left of center. are you really that surprised that ed is supporting someone and opposing someone else? he has a platform and he is using it. to not use that platform is irresponsible...
i think you are about 9 years too late for the eddie hate and the huff and puff about selling the things you liked and maybe even cherished up until about 6 months ago.... we went through it all in the lead up to the iraq war, and you know what? most of those people still post here and still renew their membership and still buy merch and music from here...
i see this is him using his right to publicly support a candidate and you employing your right to make a similar statement by selling the things you don't want anymore. you are a consumer, you vote every day with how you spend your money. i understand your frustration but you aren't the first and you won't be the last.
it is like clockwork that we have to read stuff like this every election cycle....
...it emanates from their beings...
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You know, these last half dozen or so posts have convinced me to sell off my Ted Nugent collection. Oh wait, that's right, I don't have any.
But seriously, I personally am OK with Ed and PJ's left of center thinking but not to the point that it dominates my view of the music. The songs that appeal to me the most are about people and personal relations ("Off He Goes", "Nothingman", "Save You", "Corduroy", Betterman" etc.) and spiritual/philosophical matters ("Marker in the Sand", "Faithful", "I am Mine", etc.) Really, if you think about it, not that many of their songs are political. Politics is important but to me people and ideas are more important.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I agree with some of what you say. Ideas are important. I just take exception with who he is raising money for. I have felt the meaning of PJs songs extremely.
I try not to support McDonalds, their salad isnt that bad, but still I dont because I dont like torured/drug cow meat.
They have beautiful songs, I just dont want to support the cover ups and loss of rights of the O administration. Really thats it.
Thanks for articulating yourself in a thought out manner.
PS> If you dont want the Nugent stuff I'll take it, at least the guy remembers where Freedom comes from.
You know, these last half dozen or so posts have convinced me to sell off my Ted Nugent collection. Oh wait, that's right, I don't have any.
But seriously, I personally am OK with Ed and PJ's left of center thinking but not to the point that it dominates my view of the music. The songs that appeal to me the most are about people and personal relations ("Off He Goes", "Nothingman", "Save You", "Corduroy", Betterman" etc.) and spiritual/philosophical matters ("Marker in the Sand", "Faithful", "I am Mine", etc.) Really, if you think about it, not that many of their songs are political. Politics is important but to me people and ideas are more important.
no I'm not kidding... as you just said Arabic roots, a name given at birth does not always give clues to family back ground but sometimes it does...you really don't understand that ?
Godfather.
of course i understand tha.. after all i have named several babies myself. but i choose not to going all chicken little cause a babys parents chose to gave it a particular name. obamas heritage comes from his mother as well.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
no I'm not kidding... as you just said Arabic roots, a name given at birth does not always give clues to family back ground but sometimes it does...you really don't understand that ?
Godfather.
of course i understand tha.. after all i have named several babies myself. but i choose not to going all chicken little cause a babys parents chose to gave it a particular name. obamas heritage comes from his mother as well.
And his grandparents who were probably the most influential in his upbringing.
The person in this thread who invokes the name Hussein time after time is a fucking racist bigot. Plain and simple. There is no other reason to use that name every time you speak about the president.
If that's all you have to talk about, go somewhere else, like Alabama in 1952.
And no, Godfather, the fact his middle name is Hussein tells you nothing about the person he is, but then again, you post idiotic email chain after idiotic email so the bar is set pretty low.
That fact this is even a conversation today, is fucking unreal.
Listen I didnt come here to get in a big long debate.
In my humble opinion if you loose the 2nd amendment you will loose the 1st amendment and others.
No it sounds good but its actually not a glorified pellet gun unless your refering to the glory of the freedom from Tyranny that they provided.
Its no secret he wants to change the constitution.
When you start giving up freedoms where does it stop? Which other of the Bill Of Rights would you like to give up ?
Again. This is not to try to explain to anyone that doesnt understand the amendments and why they are there. Not meant saracticlly, just dont feel like typing it all out.
Try watching these and see if it helps.
Are you aware of the ATT that obama wrote and submitted to the UN?
I would ask if your open minded watch a few things here.
Really watch them and understand them.
If you like them you can find many in this series.
Again if you want tag lines or stories that sound good but dont really protect your freedom then these videos are not for you.
People have a lot of opinions but most dont know where their freedom came from and dont know how we have stayed different from the rest of the world for so long. If you want the US to be like China vote for Obama.
The person in this thread who invokes the name Hussein time after time is a fucking racist bigot. Plain and simple. There is no other reason to use that name every time you speak about the president.
If that's all you have to talk about, go somewhere else, like Alabama in 1952.
And no, Godfather, the fact his middle name is Hussein tells you nothing about the person he is, but then again, you post idiotic email chain after idiotic email so the bar is set pretty low.
That fact this is even a conversation today, is fucking unreal.
The person in this thread who invokes the name Hussein time after time is a fucking racist bigot. Plain and simple. There is no other reason to use that name every time you speak about the president.
If that's all you have to talk about, go somewhere else, like Alabama in 1952.
And no, Godfather, the fact his middle name is Hussein tells you nothing about the person he is, but then again, you post idiotic email chain after idiotic email so the bar is set pretty low.
That fact this is even a conversation today, is fucking unreal.
Its his name....you need to chill
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
The person in this thread who invokes the name Hussein time after time is a fucking racist bigot. Plain and simple. There is no other reason to use that name every time you speak about the president.
If that's all you have to talk about, go somewhere else, like Alabama in 1952.
And no, Godfather, the fact his middle name is Hussein tells you nothing about the person he is, but then again, you post idiotic email chain after idiotic email so the bar is set pretty low.
That fact this is even a conversation today, is fucking unreal.
Its his name....you need to chill
I'm good actually. And yes, it is his name, but there is only one reason to invoke it.
Come on people no one is rushing in for the bootlegs or EV tix.... :?
My guess is if someone agrees with your take they won't want the boots because they would appear to be hypocritical and if they disagree with your stance they'll feel like they're buying into something that doesn't feel right. The music hasn't changed and the world isn't going to end in November and after this all blows over you'll just have to go out and buy them all over again. The bottom line is- politics is ever changing, music is forever.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
The person in this thread who invokes the name Hussein time after time is a fucking racist bigot. Plain and simple. There is no other reason to use that name every time you speak about the president.
If that's all you have to talk about, go somewhere else, like Alabama in 1952.
And no, Godfather, the fact his middle name is Hussein tells you nothing about the person he is, but then again, you post idiotic email chain after idiotic email so the bar is set pretty low.
That fact this is even a conversation today, is fucking unreal.
I don't blame you......I got into the band way back when I heard they were trying not to use ticket master so that people could afford tickets.......Eddie is coming to my town and the tickets are so much there is no way I could bring myself to pay that amount. Now I see he is supporting a dinner ( I don't care who it is for) at Twenty thousand a plate? They sold out in the biggest way! Like the guy in Metallica that supports horrendous fines on kids that record there music......Greed! If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything!
I'll never understand getting into a band because of something other than their music.
Supporing something he believes in is exactly what you say you got into them for, now because he is doing that again, he's selling out?
Lars Ulrich had every right to protect his band's right to have control over their music. It's not greed. It's theft. Is it greed for Walmart to prosecute a kid for stealing a dinkie car? Same thing.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Their music doesnt come right out and say raise money for gun runners and the stripping of the Bill of rights.. please. Not to mention he does protest the wars with Obama in office even though he as moved our militar into more countries than bush ! Not what I enjoyed about their music. I just reserve the right to think and be honest about it. Im not supporting that crap.
I don't blame you......I got into the band way back when I heard they were trying not to use ticket master so that people could afford tickets.......Eddie is coming to my town and the tickets are so much there is no way I could bring myself to pay that amount. Now I see he is supporting a dinner ( I don't care who it is for) at Twenty thousand a plate? They sold out in the biggest way! Like the guy in Metallica that supports horrendous fines on kids that record there music......Greed! If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything!
I'll never understand getting into a band because of something other than their music.
Supporing something he believes in is exactly what you say you got into them for, now because he is doing that again, he's selling out?
Lars Ulrich had every right to protect his band's right to have control over their music. It's not greed. It's theft. Is it greed for Walmart to prosecute a kid for stealing a dinkie car? Same thing.
Come on people no one is rushing in for the bootlegs or EV tix.... :?
My guess is if someone agrees with your take they won't want the boots because they would appear to be hypocritical and if they disagree with your stance they'll feel like they're buying into something that doesn't feel right. The music hasn't changed and the world isn't going to end in November and after this all blows over you'll just have to go out and buy them all over again. The bottom line is- politics is ever changing, music is forever.
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Barry Soetoro is his adopted name....from what I understand his name changed when his step dad adopted him....did he change it back to Obama legally?
I wont support someone that supports this guy via raising $2mill for him.
After the gun scandal that he exercised excutive privilege on, he should be impeached.
Not to mention all the protesting EV did about war and Obama has been in more countrys with our military fighting than Bush!
Its a joke and he is counting on his fans to not pay attention here and bounce up and down at his shows.
What happen to "no more war" ? and blaming the president ? its been four years and EV raises $2Mill buck for him ? Really??? :nono: The old Eddie is 'Gone'.
Liked him better when he was promting Ralph Nater based on Ralph's character.
PS. Not joking about the tickets and bootlegs.
I'll take the bootlegs and such off your hands. PM me and I'll give you my address.
A fund raiser for Romney LOL
I don't blame you......I got into the band way back when I heard they were trying not to use ticket master so that people could afford tickets.......Eddie is coming to my town and the tickets are so much there is no way I could bring myself to pay that amount. Now I see he is supporting a dinner ( I don't care who it is for) at Twenty thousand a plate? They sold out in the biggest way! Like the guy in Metallica that supports horrendous fines on kids that record there music......Greed! If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything!
I don't blame you......I got into the band way back when I heard they were trying not to use ticket master so that people could afford tickets.......Eddie is coming to my town and the tickets are so much there is no way I could bring myself to pay that amount. Now I see he is supporting a dinner ( I don't care who it is for) at Twenty thousand a plate? They sold out in the biggest way! Like the guy in Metallica that supports horrendous fines on kids that record there music......Greed! If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything![/quote]
Yes Eddie V has fallen to politics. Used to like what he had to say, he was alyways full of it on some things but he was thinking and sincere. Now he feels sold out. He needs to stop knocking the BILL OF RIGHTS. What other rights dont you like?
:fp:
most of pearl jam's music and lyrics fall to the left of center. are you really that surprised that ed is supporting someone and opposing someone else? he has a platform and he is using it. to not use that platform is irresponsible...
i think you are about 9 years too late for the eddie hate and the huff and puff about selling the things you liked and maybe even cherished up until about 6 months ago.... we went through it all in the lead up to the iraq war, and you know what? most of those people still post here and still renew their membership and still buy merch and music from here...
i see this is him using his right to publicly support a candidate and you employing your right to make a similar statement by selling the things you don't want anymore. you are a consumer, you vote every day with how you spend your money. i understand your frustration but you aren't the first and you won't be the last.
it is like clockwork that we have to read stuff like this every election cycle....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
He is entitled to use his platform, I dont have to pay for it.
9 years too late, nope, just like eddie I can say whatever I like as well cant I?
Or is idol worship the only thing allowed?
Quit frankly I dont care if Im the first or the last.
I think its sad that he raised $2mil bucks for someone who covers up gun runners.
But Romney made $6 million the same night....
But seriously, I personally am OK with Ed and PJ's left of center thinking but not to the point that it dominates my view of the music. The songs that appeal to me the most are about people and personal relations ("Off He Goes", "Nothingman", "Save You", "Corduroy", Betterman" etc.) and spiritual/philosophical matters ("Marker in the Sand", "Faithful", "I am Mine", etc.) Really, if you think about it, not that many of their songs are political. Politics is important but to me people and ideas are more important.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I try not to support McDonalds, their salad isnt that bad, but still I dont because I dont like torured/drug cow meat.
They have beautiful songs, I just dont want to support the cover ups and loss of rights of the O administration. Really thats it.
Thanks for articulating yourself in a thought out manner.
PS> If you dont want the Nugent stuff I'll take it, at least the guy remembers where Freedom comes from.
Will this ever end?
Listen agree or not, if anyone is interested in EV tix orPJ Bootlegs private me.
I have no intention about going on and on about it.
Just to those who really get what im saying... Hang in there!
Obama is taking my freedom awaaayyyyyyy.....aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Want ot know why these go on and on .....
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Obama is taking my freedom awaaayyyyyyy.....aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I would like a detailed explanation.
Their version of Obama does
of course i understand tha.. after all i have named several babies myself. but i choose not to going all chicken little cause a babys parents chose to gave it a particular name. obamas heritage comes from his mother as well.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
And his grandparents who were probably the most influential in his upbringing.
His grandfather fought in WWII--that rarely gets mentioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Armour_Dunham
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/2 ... 03001.html
If that's all you have to talk about, go somewhere else, like Alabama in 1952.
And no, Godfather, the fact his middle name is Hussein tells you nothing about the person he is, but then again, you post idiotic email chain after idiotic email so the bar is set pretty low.
That fact this is even a conversation today, is fucking unreal.
In my humble opinion if you loose the 2nd amendment you will loose the 1st amendment and others.
No it sounds good but its actually not a glorified pellet gun unless your refering to the glory of the freedom from Tyranny that they provided.
Its no secret he wants to change the constitution.
When you start giving up freedoms where does it stop? Which other of the Bill Of Rights would you like to give up ?
Again. This is not to try to explain to anyone that doesnt understand the amendments and why they are there. Not meant saracticlly, just dont feel like typing it all out.
Try watching these and see if it helps.
Are you aware of the ATT that obama wrote and submitted to the UN?
I would ask if your open minded watch a few things here.
Really watch them and understand them.
If you like them you can find many in this series.
Again if you want tag lines or stories that sound good but dont really protect your freedom then these videos are not for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_6dzE7bxs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRAw3VWVyD8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvLZ-M_HS-w
and finally for those interested in his past might find this VERY interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Og0Mq9Y1PM
People have a lot of opinions but most dont know where their freedom came from and dont know how we have stayed different from the rest of the world for so long. If you want the US to be like China vote for Obama.
ENJOY
Its his name....you need to chill
I'm good actually. And yes, it is his name, but there is only one reason to invoke it.
My guess is if someone agrees with your take they won't want the boots because they would appear to be hypocritical and if they disagree with your stance they'll feel like they're buying into something that doesn't feel right. The music hasn't changed and the world isn't going to end in November and after this all blows over you'll just have to go out and buy them all over again. The bottom line is- politics is ever changing, music is forever.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
It's not rocket surgery.
I'll never understand getting into a band because of something other than their music.
Supporing something he believes in is exactly what you say you got into them for, now because he is doing that again, he's selling out?
Lars Ulrich had every right to protect his band's right to have control over their music. It's not greed. It's theft. Is it greed for Walmart to prosecute a kid for stealing a dinkie car? Same thing.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Whoever buys them can do so for any reason they like and wrestle with their own conscience.