is this why mary magdalene was painted as a whore??

catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
edited September 2012 in A Moving Train
could jesus and mary magdalene have been husband and wife???


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8535109

A Harvard University professor has unveiled a fourth century fragment of papyrus that she says is the only existing ancient text that quotes Jesus explicitly referring to having a wife.

Karen King, an expert in the history of Christianity, says the text contains a dialogue in which Jesus refers to "my wife", whom he identified as Mary.

King says the fragment of Coptic script is a copy of a gospel, probably written in Greek in the second century.

King unveiled the fragment of the "Gospel of Jesus's Wife", in Rome on Tuesday.

She says it doesn't prove Jesus was married but speaks to issues of family and marriage that faced Christians.

King says on a Harvard website that the dialogue includes the disciples discussing whether Mary is worthy and Jesus saying "she can be my disciple".
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  • Didn't you see the DaVinci Code?
  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    Didn't you see the DaVinci Code?
    :lol:
    but seriously, there have been other gospels that I believe the catholic church has "discredited" as being false or heresy, that refer to Mary Magdalene as at the very least Jesus' lover...possibly his wife. i don't know that its been explicitly worded in that way prior to this.

    since i am a recovering catholic, i am not up on the current trends in the church, so this is from older news

    the blood line of jesus and mary = the holy grail

    it makes sense, yes?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Didn't you see the DaVinci Code?


    i did. but fiction hardly seems a credible source. ;)8-)
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  • First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.

    deleted post...just not worth the bullshit.

    Godfather.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.


    The roman's have texts that reference jesus. Nero blamed the roman fires on christians. The disputed writings of Tacitus also reference someone who was crucified and started the christian movement.

    The Talmud references jesus and his crucifixion.

    Why would either source document anything about a person that didn't exist? Neither believe in the man as a son of God.

    Factual inaccuracies in biographies don't make us doubt the existence of a person if other sources corroborate the person's existence. They simply make us question the conventional, accepted truths regarding the person.

    Now you can doubt Jesus the deity, I do, you can doubt the existence of any God, I do, but why would you doubt the existence of a man that many different records indicate was real? The certainty in your statement sort of makes the rest of anything you have to say on the matter sound disingenuous. I understand your disgust for the Christians that make your life worse than it ought to be, but why deny someone that for all intensive purposes existed. It was probably not in the way it was described in the bible, but a man like him did exist, without it the Christians probably wouldn't have split from Judaism would they? And after all, maybe that is what you meant by your comments, that Jesus didn't exist in the sense that the historical accounting of the religious texts created too much myth around the actual man. That Jesus the idea didn't exist, although the man probably did.

    For the record I am not a historian nor a christian. More of an agnostic simply because I cannot answer how something came from nothing in a philosophical sense.


    On topic, I am amazed that people are still discovering things from the past like this. That these kinds of things can still be around and not "discovered" is pretty amazing.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i dislike the 'wh' word. in fact i never use it & dislike hearing or reading it. that is all
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Didn't you see the DaVinci Code?


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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.


    The roman's have texts that reference jesus. Nero blamed the roman fires on christians. The disputed writings of Tacitus also reference someone who was crucified and started the christian movement.

    The Talmud references jesus and his crucifixion.

    Why would either source document anything about a person that didn't exist? Neither believe in the man as a son of God.

    Factual inaccuracies in biographies don't make us doubt the existence of a person if other sources corroborate the person's existence. They simply make us question the conventional, accepted truths regarding the person.

    Now you can doubt Jesus the deity, I do, you can doubt the existence of any God, I do, but why would you doubt the existence of a man that many different records indicate was real? The certainty in your statement sort of makes the rest of anything you have to say on the matter sound disingenuous. I understand your disgust for the Christians that make your life worse than it ought to be, but why deny someone that for all intensive purposes existed. It was probably not in the way it was described in the bible, but a man like him did exist, without it the Christians probably wouldn't have split from Judaism would they? And after all, maybe that is what you meant by your comments, that Jesus didn't exist in the sense that the historical accounting of the religious texts created too much myth around the actual man. That Jesus the idea didn't exist, although the man probably did.

    For the record I am not a historian nor a christian. More of an agnostic simply because I cannot answer how something came from nothing in a philosophical sense.


    On topic, I am amazed that people are still discovering things from the past like this. That these kinds of things can still be around and not "discovered" is pretty amazing.

    it's probably not my place to say Mike...but you're wasting your time explaining truth of history to this guy.

    Godfather.
  • hostishostis Posts: 441
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    The roman's have texts that reference jesus. Nero blamed the roman fires on christians. The disputed writings of Tacitus also reference someone who was crucified and started the christian movement.

    The Talmud references jesus and his crucifixion.

    Why would either source document anything about a person that didn't exist? Neither believe in the man as a son of God.

    Factual inaccuracies in biographies don't make us doubt the existence of a person if other sources corroborate the person's existence. They simply make us question the conventional, accepted truths regarding the person.
    :clap::clap::clap:
  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    He was a real person. History shows this. Do some research before you make completely ignorant posts.
    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    The bible was not written hundreds of years after he died, not even close. All Gospels and other books were written from 40AD to 90AD. Again - do some research.
    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.

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  • Godfather. wrote:
    First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.

    deleted post...just not worth the bullshit.

    Godfather.


    Funny thing is, if it had been said about any random Muslim, the thread would have been locked in 2 seconds, and the member banned for eternity...but Jesus? Mock away, right mods?

    But you're right.... its just not worth the bullshit to bullshit with bullshitters in a bullshit-moderated forum.

    For posting guidelines, see Sharia.
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Godfather. wrote:
    First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.

    deleted post...just not worth the bullshit.

    Godfather.


    Funny thing is, if it had been said about any random Muslim, the thread would have been locked in 2 seconds, and the member banned for eternity...but Jesus? Mock away, right mods?

    But you're right.... its just not worth the bullshit to bullshit with bullshitters in a bullshit-moderated forum.

    For posting guidelines, see Sharia.

    Is Sharia a new Mod? :shock:
  • That Harvard bitch! Pissing on my beliefs and religion! Time to riot!

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:
    First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.

    deleted post...just not worth the bullshit.

    Godfather.


    Funny thing is, if it had been said about any random Muslim, the thread would have been locked in 2 seconds, and the member banned for eternity...but Jesus? Mock away, right mods?

    But you're right.... its just not worth the bullshit to bullshit with bullshitters in a bullshit-moderated forum.

    For posting guidelines, see Sharia.

    awooooooooochhhhh...wow !! that's what I call "call it like you see it" Brother !

    Godfather.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Funny thing is, if it had been said about any random Muslim, the thread would have been locked in 2 seconds, and the member banned for eternity...but Jesus? Mock away, right mods?

    But you're right.... its just not worth the bullshit to bullshit with bullshitters in a bullshit-moderated forum.

    For posting guidelines, see Sharia.

    dude ... your post got locked because you and others exhibited a level of class that is shameful ... and you did it twice ...

    a lot of shit gets said on this forum and i don't necessarily agree with the majority of locked/deleted threads but yours yesterday was offensive - in a way, i would probably have preferred if the thread remained open so we can see what kind of people some really are ...
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    On topic, I am amazed that people are still discovering things from the past like this. That these kinds of things can still be around and not "discovered" is pretty amazing.
    Nice post overall, Mike.

    And yeah, I'm with you on that up there. Makes me wonder how much more is yet to be unearthed.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    That Harvard bitch! Pissing on my beliefs and religion! Time to riot!

    :lol::lol::lol: ....and who is that Harvard bitch ? you're talkimng about...ummmmm I'll bet ya'll just got this thread locked up tighter than tuperwear :lol::lol::lol:

    Godfather.
  • polaris_x wrote:
    Funny thing is, if it had been said about any random Muslim, the thread would have been locked in 2 seconds, and the member banned for eternity...but Jesus? Mock away, right mods?

    But you're right.... its just not worth the bullshit to bullshit with bullshitters in a bullshit-moderated forum.

    For posting guidelines, see Sharia.

    dude ... your post got locked because you and others exhibited a level of class that is shameful ... and you did it twice ...

    a lot of shit gets said on this forum and i don't necessarily agree with the majority of locked/deleted threads but yours yesterday was offensive - in a way, i would probably have preferred if the thread remained open so we can see what kind of people some really are ...


    Actually I think that other thread...shoulda just been titled "Darwin award winner", then it would have been left alone. ;)
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  • First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.

    it would be nice if you could, at the very least, respect the beliefs of others.
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  • Godfather. wrote:

    Funny thing is, if it had been said about any random Muslim, the thread would have been locked in 2 seconds, and the member banned for eternity...but Jesus? Mock away, right mods?

    But you're right.... its just not worth the bullshit to bullshit with bullshitters in a bullshit-moderated forum.

    For posting guidelines, see Sharia.

    awooooooooochhhhh...wow !! that's what I call "call it like you see it" Brother !

    Godfather.

    that's not "call it like you see it". you both were laughing at the death of a human being because the cause of their death didn't coincide with your personal belief system.

    that's disgusting.
    Gimli 1993
    Fargo 2003
    Winnipeg 2005
    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014

  • that's not "call it like you see it". you both were laughing at the death of a human being because the cause of their death didn't coincide with your personal belief system.

    that's disgusting.


    You ever read the darwin awards and chuckle? I know I have.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Actually I think that other thread...shoulda just been titled "Darwin award winner", then it would have been left alone. ;)

    uhhh ... i'm pretty sure most people do not consider flag burning would lead to death ...
  • First, you would have to be clueless enough to think that Jesus was an actual person.

    Then you would have to think that the bible... which was written hundreds of years after he "died," using hearsay and fables and countless conflicting texts... got it wrong.

    Then you'd have to remember that marriage back then was usually a business transaction where women were traded for goats and stuff. And then you'd have to think that a socialist like Jesus would have a goat to pay her.

    But hey sure... let's go with that.

    it would be nice if you could, at the very least, respect the beliefs of others.

    To be fair, people have been using religion as their crutch to keep individuals like Prince from being able to live their lives the way they want. So I understand the anger. I just wish he could rise above it, but I don;t know if I could either. It is ironic that those of us that are pre-judged, generalized about, and demonized often tend to do the same thing.
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  • polaris_x wrote:
    Actually I think that other thread...shoulda just been titled "Darwin award winner", then it would have been left alone. ;)

    uhhh ... i'm pretty sure most people do not consider flag burning would lead to death ...


    Yeah, who would think that setting things on fire and breathing in unclean air or smoke could cause death. :fp:
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Yeah, who would think that setting things on fire and breathing in unclean air or smoke could cause death. :fp:

    dude ... there were 10,000 people at the rally according to the tabloid post ... why did no one else die? ... how come no one else has died from all the flag burning days of the vietnam war? ... who knows why he really died ... sure, if he stuck his face right in the fumes ... maybe ... but who knows ... this is the NY Post here ... they will sensationalize anything to demonize and perpetuate racist ideologies ...
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Godfather. wrote:

    Funny thing is, if it had been said about any random Muslim, the thread would have been locked in 2 seconds, and the member banned for eternity...but Jesus? Mock away, right mods?

    But you're right.... its just not worth the bullshit to bullshit with bullshitters in a bullshit-moderated forum.

    For posting guidelines, see Sharia.

    awooooooooochhhhh...wow !! that's what I call "call it like you see it" Brother !

    Godfather.

    that's not "call it like you see it". you both were laughing at the death of a human being because the cause of their death didn't coincide with your personal belief system.

    that's disgusting.


    :wtf: are you talking about the guy who chocked on flag fumes ?...I think we're experiancing a derailment here, but really the guy was burning an American flag and protesting in the streets causing as much trouble as he could then go home at night ..get some rest and the go do it again, maybe he killed the Americans and maybe not but right now I find it funny that he died the way he did.
    but just to let you know I think I understand what you're getting at.

    Godfather.
  • polaris_x wrote:
    Yeah, who would think that setting things on fire and breathing in unclean air or smoke could cause death. :fp:

    dude ... there were 10,000 people at the rally according to the tabloid post ... why did no one else die? ...

    Lucky is one reason. Anyhow, we are off topic.
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  • polaris_x wrote:
    Funny thing is, if it had been said about any random Muslim, the thread would have been locked in 2 seconds, and the member banned for eternity...but Jesus? Mock away, right mods?

    But you're right.... its just not worth the bullshit to bullshit with bullshitters in a bullshit-moderated forum.

    For posting guidelines, see Sharia.

    dude ... your post got locked because you and others exhibited a level of class that is shameful ... and you did it twice ...

    a lot of shit gets said on this forum and i don't necessarily agree with the majority of locked/deleted threads but yours yesterday was offensive - in a way, i would probably have preferred if the thread remained open so we can see what kind of people some really are ...

    "Dude"? I don't think we've been properly introduced.

    2nd news article was a link w/ no description, to a legitimate news article from NYPost.

    It was locked b/c "we won't be celebrating anyone's death here"... unless you're Andrew Breitbart.

    But this is a different thread, and lets not derail it... past is past.

    Dude.
  • Godfather. wrote:

    Funny thing is, if it had been said about any random Muslim, the thread would have been locked in 2 seconds, and the member banned for eternity...but Jesus? Mock away, right mods?

    But you're right.... its just not worth the bullshit to bullshit with bullshitters in a bullshit-moderated forum.

    For posting guidelines, see Sharia.

    awooooooooochhhhh...wow !! that's what I call "call it like you see it" Brother !

    Godfather.

    that's not "call it like you see it". you both were laughing at the death of a human being because the cause of their death didn't coincide with your personal belief system.

    that's disgusting.

    Oh, yeah?

    Did you celebrate Bin Laden's death?

    The defense rests.
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